**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

if and when red gets their 3d act together LOL.... I was red then when I went 3d and adobe premiere pro it was and still is ALL green ...

I like green!!!

3 27 inch asus monitors , 1 135 inch screen benq 3d vision projector and soon 1 17 inch 3d laptop (I WISH IT WAS 3d vision 2 as light boost DOES help)

green FTW in the real world and red in make believe LOL

 

Even ivy-E?

 

Ivy E was originally supposed to be on sale Q4 this year but has been pushed back to the second half of 2013.

So no Ivy E on sale , just plain old Ivy

 

I would consider green but there are 2 main problems for me:

1) Each and every Nvidia GPU I owned died at some point. And most of them had latency issues.
2) High price tag

 

no sign of ivy yet, only ivy ep and ex
ivy ex will have 12/16core and ofcourse, lga1567
ivy ep still 8 core, lga2011

 

I was talking about how you said the delay is because Clevo is testing ivy. Since the laptop is 2011, what exactly are they testing? CPUs that are not due out until 2013?

 

I think we're getting confused here. I don't believe the delay of the P270WM is due to any IVB-E (sample), but rather something wrong with the motherboard - or whatever is considered "production" of the line.

 

I ordered the Titan 17 from Maingear and they claim it will be shipped May 9th. I haven't spoke with the the owner about the supposed delay yet. Was there ever a first batch of "defective" p270 chassis released? Is it possible i would receive one of the problematic P270s?

 

Hello everyone,
I recently read a little about esata and msata. Does this laptop have 1. support 2. space in the chassis itself for 3. availability of , an esata or msata drive? I didnot see either so just want to know more. I also found that the msata is pretty small in dimensions and fast as well so wouldnot it be a good idea to get say 120 gb msata in a laptop rather than a full fledged big hard drive.

 

You do have an external eSATA port that's also a USB 3.0 port (with power). There is no mSATA support on this model however. If you wanted an mSATA drive, you'd have to use a converter that would allow you to mount it in a standard 2.5" bay.

 

tbh the msata isnt really fully developed yet, just like the old days where 2.5inch SSDs arent that fast and only for sata 1.5/3.0. its after so many years they finally done so much on improving the 2.5 drives simply because probably laptop industries are booming? or perhaps the 2.5 drive would eventually replace the 3.5 in desktop.

however if you look at the msata for SSDs even for the enterprise class, they are quite slow compare to the low end last gen SSD, max at around 200mb/s ish. its gonna be a while for a FAST retail one to come out so i wouldnt count on it.

i do know there are some laptops out there that supports and only uses msata drive but those are pretty rare. wouldnt be suprised if you find those from apple lol.

 

Actually mSata drives have come a long way with quite a number released with the latest sandforce controller also Crucial as a msata equivalent to the M4, these are retail drives, they have the same speed as the 2 1/2 drives.

 

Yea we have some right now that we are testing that saturate the SATA2 port that they are in, and have SATA3 speeds when used with an adapter. So even at SATA2 speeds they are quite the performer, especially for the few grams they add to the weight of the laptop.

 

sigh......most of laptop have mini pcie but dont have something like sata circuit? thus dont support msata
i know there is sd/micro sd to mini pcie adaptor...but why no company develop a mpcie ssd which have sata chip or something on board let all laptop can use mpcie ssd!!

 

They have those.

Supertalent made a few, they were mPCIE cards that had a SATA controller on them. They are a little older, but they certainly exist. Usually they aren't bootable without some BIOS help however because they are a pCIE device not a SATA device.

 

Seen a 256gb Sandisk msata drive, they were pretty small and packed quite a performance punch, you can't underestimate msata anymore.

 

really!?

 

came a long way but i highly doubt they are the same speed. u'll see one newly released msata drive with the speed of a agility 3 240gb which isnt very impressive. but then again you can always find those released that arent really out in the market.

for example deneva 2 R sataIII from ocz MLC SSD with 80k and 65k iops in random read/write and those were released awhile back.

if u want to find some newly released ones with decent performance, probably thessdreview would help. google it

 

They are exactly the same speed, same design, just a smaller package, I'm not interested in mSata myself, I know about thessdReview, I moderated on there forum for awhile.

 

Any particular reason/insight into why you arent interested in it? Is it very pricey or is there any other downsides to be aware of. If what is said is true and it exists with equal speeds like ssds and much smaller I can only see a win win so I ask .Are there other things to be aware of ?

 

Most computers are obsolete the day they are released. This thing is going to be obsolete a month before it's released.

 

Next gen AW laptops have a third drive option - mSATA ssd up to 256gb. You can use them in RAID 0. So there's some use.

 

OHHHH boy I hope this thing gets re-released soon!!!! It looks like the mx18 r2 does NOT have a 120hz 3d screen option so this baby is the ONLY dual gpu read SLI laptop to sport 3d!!!

Ready or not Myth is getting my order soon LOL!!!

and any confirmation about Maingear shipping units in early may? Cause if they have em everyone does and I have not heard of anyone else who does!?!

 

The reason I'm not interested is I don't own a computer or a laptop which takes a mSata drive, my interest could change in the future, I also move drives in and out for testing, with a mSata this might not be as easy, I have nothing against mSata drives, I have never looked at how much they cost in comparison with the 2 1/2 drives.

I'm here because I'm hoping to update my current laptop, I've retired my desktop and I miss the extra power and storage and I like the looks of the Clevo as a Desktop replacement.

 

3D + SLI would be awesome, but I'd rather go CF+120hz. If it ever becomes real.

 

To each their own . 120hz is AWESOME I do not see why you could not have a 3d version with xfire and get 120hz of smooth buttery goodness!!! it will not work in 3d but if that is not a need maybe one of the resellers can put that together for you!!! 7970m xfire 120hz screen!!! FTW for you and SLI 675/680 3d for me.

We both win and the resellers get both of our cash!!!

 

Just curious am I the only one here that is getting this as a desktop extender ( to be able to take a laptop with me that can do almost as much as my office and gaming rigs ) or are most people here getting this as a single replace the Desktop machine?

 

Extender for me. As well as just needing a laptop now, as my old one is basically a glorified tower, and has been hooked to my TV as an HTPC.

 

I'm getting it as an extension to my water cooled server. But I fear I might need to downgrade to a np9170, if this takes another month to release

 

That's basically what my server is a overpowered htpc

 

Sager is very close to releasing, but not quite ready.

Just to be safe, they are now saying "mid-May".

This is not the "indefinite" or "3 months" that so many people were talking about, but it will be at least another week, and could be 2, maybe 3 weeks before it is released.

 

Well, mid-May is when the M18xR2 will be in the hands of many owners on this forum and will pose a serious threat to the P270WM sales, IMHO. It's got 3 HDD bays + mSATA ssd slot. So the only thing the Clevo still has as an advantage is the desktop CPU. That would be a tough decision....

 

I really don't think the cpu is THAT much of an advantage, esp to someone like me who would OC the alienware and take the time to make sure it is STABLE for important work... for most tasks the higher clocks would make the speed difference between the hex and quad cores MUCH MUCH closer... of course there are some areas where cores win hands down like servers...

For me it is the 3d or 120hz option that is keeping me here...

I do agree with you that the mx18r2 will fit the bill for many many people considering this clevo... add in the hdmi input and the alienware looks even better for some areas of use. Longer battery life etc.

choices choices

so far mine is Clevo but the longer this takes to come out the more chance of someone like me jumping ship (though I most likely will stick it out).

 

In ref the bolded: not to me it won't. As much as I dread the idea of possibly settling for an Alienware if Clevo keeps delaying, I just can't get over the fact I would be paying close to $4k for one. The P270 I have backordered is costing me $2.5k and, stock component to stock component, is simply going to be a better computer.

This isn't a dig on AW either, but it seems you are paying more for a brand name. A coworker has one and was disappointed because he was expecting more for the amount of cash it cost him.

The HDMI input doesn't mean anything to me either. I have no plans to hook up an xbox or dvd player..... thats what the tv is for.

 

So I ordered a Maingear Titan 17 which is there rebrand of the P270 before I heard of the delay. After reading this thread I decided to call the owner. He said that once they receive their chassis they modify them in some way and that they never have had a problem with one or had one come back. He says he is still confident that mine will ship out on the ninth. Hopefully it all works out. I just figured I would let your guys know that it seems Maingear is selling these bad laptops right now and your welcome to give the guy a call for questions he seemed really nice.

 

As you said per dollar the Clevo is a MUCH better deal. However in regards to the HDMI input upon contacting alienware about it's uses SEVERAL times I was given the info that it can be used for connecting a camcorder to the computer and streaming said camcorder on Ustream for live broadcast. For me at least that saves me $300-500 on a capture card for live broadcast and does cut one more thing from my backpack. That being said yes for gaming the hdmi input is of no interest to me either ... I do not own a ps3 or xbox. Gaming is done on my desktops and laptops!

 

It depends on how you make your purchase. With Clevo the price is pretty much final while with Dell you can play your cards right and get a huge discount. That is if you have some time and patience. They have great special deals once every 2 weeks, military discounts, financing options, plain rep discounts up to 10-20%, etc. Yes, the HDMI IN maybe useless but how about WirelessHD, 2 headphone jacks, macro keys, 5-6hrs of battery life, and of course the on-site next business day warranty? There is something to think about.

 

Went to their site. Says estimated ship date is 5/20. But they have a 3d option for the poster upthread who wanted 3d

 

is it really 3 HDD bays? or 2 HDD bays + mSata slot

tbh i was quite disappointed in seeing this. m18x R2 wont have 3 HDD bays unless i replace the optical drive so as for now its still 2 HDD bays + mSata ssd slot.

3 HDD slots means, 2 SSDs in raid 0 and 1 HDD storage for me, where as in this case for the R2 it's 2 SSDs in raid 0 (2.5inch factor) and mSata storage for me which is better in terms of speed, but not reliability. its a shame SSDs dies if you write too much onto it and especially after hearing from my engineering co worker who worked for the NAND gate area, he specifically told me once the voltage trips in one of those gates and dies, the drive is gone for good unlike the SLC ssds.

well then again i was reading on the crucial c400 msata 256gb, it did say it'll have 72TBW lifespan, which is quite abit, but thats just for business purposes.

 

Yea, I'm really close to purchasing an alienware over this right now.
Especially with the discounts people are talking about when they've dealt with dell voer the phone. It isn't much more than clevo itself. Just a different processor.

 

Just checked their configurator, yes, you're right, 3 hdds = 2 + mSata. Which is still not bad. Crucial drives are great especially the latest gen. I love my M4 and would definitely go c400 msata. However, I think, Dell killed the WiHD and replaced it with mSATA this round, which is a very bad news for me. I'm using my internal transmitter to stream HD content to my plasma TV, got rid of the satellite TV account. The beauty in WiHD is that you can not only save 100$+/month on TV bills but also can keep working on the laptop while it's streaming to the TV. Then again, I can possibly buy a USB transmitter and have both the mSATA ssd and WiHD.
Anyway, let's see what screen options are offered with the R2 and also, if there are any cooling system improvements. remember, Dell only needed 20W extra on the CPU HS to ensure a stable 4.6-5.0ghz OC 24/7.

 

I am sorry for asking this here but since I hear this so often just curious about Dell .
@Aikimox -You keep referring to the dell specials but I cannot locate when and where . Is there a way to receive such intimation via emails from dell? Also are these deals visible in the "deals" section for Dell or does one go to . I did request you to allow a pm but you did not respond to that.

The NP9270 barebones is at 2K roughly and a little bit of stuff can raise it to 3.2K(max) but guessing I will go for around 2.9K which I am planning to spend on it . Does this figure compare with a 4K AW?

 

I've been lurking around these forums as I'm saving up for a new machine. Hoping the P270WM gets released as it looks like the beast I've been looking for.

Curious how long folks think this laptop will run games on high settings with an I7-3820 and 2x GTX 675M? Also, anyone's guess on the expected jump in price to 2x GTX 680M?

I'm looking to spend around 3k and trying to determine how far that might get me.

 

Sorry, missed your post. Go ahead and shoot me a PM. Basically, to get a good deal would be a combination of a special deal (wait till their websites are fully updated with the new gen) + haggling around their reps.

 

3k got me

** SYSTEM SPECS **

- Mobile Chassis -
MYTHLOGIC Nyx 7212 (Clevo P270WM) with backlit keyboard

- Exterior Finish -
Standard Finish

- Mobile Display -
17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) Glossy LED Backlit LCD

- Dead Pixel Guarantee -
MYTH Pixel Perfect Guarantee

- Monitor Calibration -
MYTH Professional Monitor Color Calibration

- CPU -
Intel Core i7-3820 3.60GHz, 2133MHz DDR3, 10MB Cache, Socket 2011 Processor

- Thermal Compound -
IC Diamond Thermal Compound

- System Memory -
16GB (4 x 4GB) , PC3-12800, 1600MHz SODIMM (Samsung)

- Video Adapter - P270WM -
2 x NVIDIA GTX 670M 1536MB GDDR5 DX11 Compliant Video Cards

- Optical -
Swap Out Optical drive for additional Hard Drive

- Hard Drive -
500GB 7200 16MB Cache SATA Notebook Hard Drive

- Webcam -
Integrated 2M Webcam

- Fingerprint Reader -
Integrated Fingerprint Reader

- Wireless Card -
KILLER WirelessN 1103 - The ultimate wireless gaming HD video experience

- Bluetooth -
Integrated Bluetooth 2.0+EDR

- Operating System -
No OS, format drive only. (Although Myth, will install my already owned copy of Windows 7)

- Anti-Virus Software -
Microsoft Security Essentials

- MYTHLOGIC Assurance -
MYTH Lifetime Assurance with Lifetime Labor + 3 Year Parts Warranty, 3 year 2-Way Shipping Cont US

- Phoenix Upgrade Plan -
Lifetime Phoenix Upgrade Plan

- Accidental coverage and Insurance -
Full accidental laptop coverage and insurance includes shipping - 3 Years - US Residents Only

 

BTW, here's an example: right now at dell.ca you can get from a single 660M to 2x675M for 350$. So, for 3k you can land a 675M SLI + 2960XM

 

I cannot get from canada if I am in the US can I ? I guess not so will have to conc on dell.us ?no?

 

imo my only concern is i cant really take out the msata SSD and put it into other laptops cause they dont support it. i would need to find an enclosure for it =(. also these msata SSD dont come cheap, the 256gb c400 is gonna be at least $450.

CHANCES ARE DELL.US IS CHEAPER THAN DELL CANADA. ops cap but thats the sad truth. and you wouldnt want to get 2960xm anyway as 3920xm ivy would be out soon.

 

Funny thing is, those placing orders now will get Ivy not Sandy. The NDA is going to be lifted in 2-3 days . So in reality, the 2960XM is the 3920XM.

 

at least thats good to know, good ivy!! no wonder the prices for 2960xm oc was at around 1400 dollars on canadian dell page, well its changed back now to 1050, still quite a bit though.

im really impressed at how the dual 675m are so much cheaper lol, considering its dell and rip people off =D. nevertheless, i loved p270wm desktop CPU and 3 HDDs over m18x R2, but i liked the design of AW and 18 inch and keyboard over the clevo.

pros and cons.