**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

I just want to stop lurking for a sec to say that this is the truest damn thing I've ever read on this site. /thread, seriously guys.

 

Actually, I'd still say bob, if Sarah was secretly an Olympic runner doesnt matter but short and a short stride, she has to make more effort to run, the longer the race the more effort, in fact if it was a marathon bobs (he's a secret freerunner since were making believe) effortless stride could get him to the finish line, while Sarah's laborious run causes her to burn out and need the ambulance. Anyone remember Carl Lewis in the Olympics? At full speed he had a 3 yard stride, he only made 33 steps/strides in the 100m event.....

 

The problem is that Sarah can only compete with Bob after modification, or overclocking if you will.

Another comparison would be the athlete who takes performance enhancing drugs in order to compete with better athletes. Its pretty much the same thing.

 

OK, so we're seeing some comparisons on OC'ing, but have there been any long term studies on how much more heat this generates in those other CPU/systems and if so (as those cooling systems at this point in time are are inferior to Clevo's) what is the effect on longevity.

In other words, if it can be shown long term OC'ing can cause a CPU to fail quicker than one at stock due to heat issues (as I don't think ppl mess with vcore values any more) in system X compared to the P270WM, Sarah can run as fast as she wants, but if she cannot finish the marathon when her legs fail, it doesn't matter if she beats Bob for the first 20 miles, but he finishes the race.

 

Not to beat a dead horse with you guys, but the performance enhancing drugs point is analogous to extreme overclocking, or overclocking for the sake of the highest numbers possible. I'm talking about overclocking only to the highest possible stable point, perhaps without crazy, grandiose cooling methods (but that's all subjective anyway).

The question is about reasonable potential. YES, reasonably overclocked computers are working harder than the ones that aren't. But assuming that in both cases they are rock-solid stable, I'm sorry, but overclocking wins. You could make the argument that several years down the road, an overclocked computer has a shorter life-span than one that isn't, but that isn't what we're talking about here. Plus you're going to get a new one after 5 years anyway (and probably even sooner than that), so let's be honest.

So, to translate this back into the analogy... both Bob and Sarah are "plugged in" with a constant supply of nutrients/food/water/oxygen/etc, and are constantly getting adequately cooled down (and heck, let's even say that their lactic acid production is being diminished.. does anyone else remember that Magic School Bus episode? =P).

At regular jogging speeds, Bob may be faster than Sarah, but at top speed, Sarah wins. Again, we're not talking about "Oh Bob wins because what if it's a marathon lol", because a proper overclocking already takes into account proper power, cooling, etc, so that it will run just as solidly as it does at stock clocks.

 

Actually, I AM talking about that. A lappy has to give me a minimum of 2-3 years, and anything less is unacceptable in my use case.

My question still stands. Although you have cooling that the CPU is stable, how do you *know* you are not doing damage over 24+ months? The mobile CPUs are designed to take generate less heat, but what happens long term when they are pushed and *do* generate more heat? Are you monitoring the other components to see if there is any heat "bleedover" there as well?

Who know, perhaps this isn't a problem, and I'm making a big deal out of nothing. But I'd like some studies that show what happens over a longer period of time when running an OC'd system around 50+ hours a week (running 100% CPU utilization around 2 hours a day) 52 weeks a year for 2 to 3 years.

On a side note, in regards to "proper cooling" are ppl saying they are making actual mods to the cooling system in other lappys?

 

beat it guys, 3960x or 3930k stock beats 2960xm oc stable at 4.5ghz by a bit. HOWEVER, for MOST program out there u'll face mostly uses fewer cores. if it uses 1 core, or 2 cores only, 2960xm at 4.5ghz wins hands down, no questions asked. now thats some simple math.

and also note the desktop CPUS cant really OC much in these clevo machine. its been proven earlier that the TDP is way too high for these sandy E and also the cache from specific 3960x will cause it to lose it's OC ability due to heat issues.

so there you have it, pros and cons. STOCK SPEED WISE desktop cpu PROBABLY is better, then of course no one really knows cause mobile ivy coming out and with at least 5% performance boost AND TDP is a lot lower. just maybe they'll be able to keep it OC to 4.7-.8 this time around.

tbh, the new 3920xm looks very promising even at stock speed, but i'd learn to OC this for sure. and maybe they'll release 3960xm just like they did with 2920xm to 2960xm. better performance, better TDP and OC ability

 

Guys I dont understand this thread. Is P270WN available or not? I read here Viper III replacement (Clevo P270WM) SLI GTX 675M DELAYED INDEFINITELY that this notebook is delayed due to 50% failure. DOes it affect only SLI versions or single gpu as well? Anyone has this laptop at home? What is ETA, thanks!

 

The last page or so of this thread appears to have jumped the proverbial shark.

 

Just a little off track

To the poster above.. Its been delayed while they sort it out, Indefinitely just means they don't have an ETA yet, not that its been scrubbed. We know of a few test laptops that are running just fine with the 675m in a pair. Its just something they are working on to reduce the failure rate.

 

There is no ETA. Given high failure rate Clevo has taken the laptop "back to the drawing board" to deal with mobo and other issues. We are all quite sure that this laptop will eventually be available again. As this laptop would easily be considered THE Flagship for the company.

The question is not if, but when.
And that when could be a very very long ways off. Or it could be a week. That is only known by Clevo.

 

I have already told my vendor if I don't hear anything concrete one way or another by this coming weekend, I'm canceling my order. I have a feeling this is going to be a long term problem and the p270wm won't be released any time in the forseeable future, if it even gets released at all.

 

I would do exactly the same.
And I'm glad I didn't preorder this, some people have been waiting since January?.
In the end it's not the reseller's/vender's fault, and the ones around here seem to be willing to disclose information when giving it. But still, I would cancel as well.

Are there any laptops you're looking at now that you probably wont be getting the P270wm?

 

I'm already inquiring about the p170, my biggest thing I'm going to miss is actually the express card slot. I'm still holding out for the p270 I just might have to get my wife her laptop a little early and borrow it for school, hehe

 

See, that wouldn't work for me. The main things for me were the ability to use SLI, and the scad loads of potential storage. Only other Clevo that has that is the P180, which being end of life isn't really an attractive option, plus the MB in it gimps the GPU selection for SLI. Alienware for me was never really an option because it's a little less end user tinkerable (from what I've seen) also, as much as I love the Alien on the front, the Clevo looks more professional. So I will wait, me and my sodden cheerios, until I hear news.

 

Unfortunately, I'm probably going to have to take another look at Alienware and prepare myself for having to pay a lot more than I was going to pay for the Clevo.

Settling for a lesser computer at twice the cash isn't setting well with me.

 

So this thing seems like it is dead in the water. My reseller told me to cancel. Is there anything that can compete with the P270WM? Any suggestion?

 

X7200's can still be had, obviously they are a little long in the tooth, but an option. (Totally understand if you don't want old tech, just an option)

 

Who's your reseller?

 

Is it actually dead in the water then?

 

Nono the P270WM isn't dead in the water by any means, I was simply providing an alternative to those who need something with desktop power right now.

We have every faith that Clevo will sort out the issues and have gotten no word what-so-ever that they are giving up or cancelling this model. As I said, there are lots in the wild (99% testing laptops, but still they rolled off the production line) P270's that are working fine, they are simply fixing a few issues in production so they can drastically improve their yields on this and fix a few lingering issues.

 

If you go to sagernotebook.com they're still showing a mid April release date.... who knows what the eff is happening at this point.

 

Please note that this model HAS NOT been sent back to Clevo for any fix.

There is FULL shipment in and is being tested under different configurations.

It has taken longer than expected for this testing as it must pass all of the testing for ALL of the many, many configurations.

It is true at No ETA as to the timing of the first shipment. Sorry for this delay.


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It seems that XOTICPC has just turned around info on the new MSI branded laptops with the 670M, support for IB Mobile processors, likely more battery life, and really great aesthetic features, the GT70:

Custom Laptops, Gaming Notebooks, Custom Gaming Laptops | XOTIC PC

 

There is no ETA. Unfortrunatly I was asked to wait a week to see if any info would be disclosed on what is happening with this beast. No update was given or seemed to be known (today was the end of that week). Malibal has been very good in keeping me informed on what they know. Unfortunatly they have taken the product off thier website because they are unsure when this product would be released and to ensure it is throughly tested before they start pushing it agian (if it is ever released).

 

Clevo doesn't have the product on their site either, but Sager still does. Its anyone's guess what the real story is. I'm still thinking its possible the product is shelved for a while, but Babyhemi says otherwise.

By the way, Babyhemi, do you have some affiliation with Clevo/Sager?

 

No special relationship. We (LPCDigital) are resellers that keep close in touch with Sager and other partners.

The information I shared is what ANY reseller on this forum could have mentioned.

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and is what others have said, for the most part.
Minus the authoritative tone that makes you seem like a Clevo employee rather than just a reseller.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/not...a-geforce-gtx-675m-powerhouse-discussion.html

Maybe there is hope? Atleast it isn't just a phantom

 

No authoritative tone intended.

I said it this way because it was felt that there was so much in the way of wrong statements and expressions made in the last few days about the status of this model.

Sorry if it came out too rough.

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It's a phantom with a face. I checked out the MSI GT70. No SLI option and no specifics on the IVY Bridge processers. I am holding out for now until I find something I like. I really hope something happens with this.

 

Hey I just read avadirects review, the expresscard slot has been omitted. That was the main reason I went with this laptop. One of the main reasons anyways 3 hard rives for raid was my number 2, is there going to be anyway to get expresscard added in if at the release it actually doesn't have one?

 

man oh man and following ups and downs I was about to put my money on this baby in about a weeks time. I still am likely to...but I have to admit I am currious about the alienware mx18 with an overclocked ivy (I will and do know how to OC well) it should keep up with this beast in the cpu dept. Esp if they do decide to have watercooling option!!! and if they have a 3d screen at 18 inches I am SOLD....

I will wait a week or two to see what happens ( I would still rather have this computer) 6 cores ROCKS and 17 inches is better for me... and price is better but this waiting and uncertainty is SOO hard to deal with!!!

COME ON CLEVO give us some MORE details!!!

and is the expresscard slot REALLY gone? if so are they doing an ENTIRE redesign to the MB and case?

Gonna get a new desktop tomorrow or the next day sli 680's and probably build another desktop next month for my three 27 inch ASUS 3d monitors so I will be kept busy building and gaming... BUT I WANT THIS LAPTOP cry cry sniffle sniffle .

and hugs to all those who are waiting along side me... hopefully it will be a short wait and well worth it!!! CHEERS

 

Yea. Unfortunately I might have to settle for an alienware if we hear no news in the near future.
Oh my wallet is going to cry.

 

Why alienware rather than the P170em?
Just for the SLI?

I'm asking because I'm looking at both right now.

 

The SLI indeed.
The benchmarks (I know they're not real world stuff) shows a pretty dramatic advantage with SLI.

 

The expresscard is still on according with the specification unless they will bend over to remove it in the last moment:
http://www.pcw.fr/pdf/Specifications/P270WM1.pdf

However, the P150EM and P170EM have not been as lucky as P270WM in this regard.

 

Well it was not bad as I assumed, eurocom agreed to give me a full refund without making it hard. They said i should have it by the end of tomorrow. Very happy )

 

All,

Former lurker, new poster.

I buckled. I was so looking forward to having the NP9270 in hand, but after all of this and no ETA in sight, I cancelled my order with XoticPC and ordered the Sager NP9170 with them instead. Should have it in a week.

FYI, XoticPC confirmed that the NP9270 is now on hold with no ETA.

My primary reasons for the change: I have a new video-editing business and can't wait any longer while I use a 2.5 year-old laptop to do the editing. It is excruciatingly slow for HD editing. I simply can't wait any longer or my business will suffer as my peak season is about to start.

I have to admit, I'm kind of glad about the decision. I get the laptop faster, I get some nice upgrades that I had wanted to begin with (SSD primary, anti-glare screen, extra PSU, etc.) and I'm still getting a nice refund back. I'm also happier after reading the Avadirect review of the NP9270 because of the weight issue. I'll be working from both home and office (hence the need for the laptop in the first place) and I'm sure I'll appreciate a lighter laptop and power supply after a very short time.

EDIT: I particularly liked the overclocking-vs-stock discussion! So even if the NP9270 is released tomorrow, I still feel good about the change.

I know, I don't get the SLI or hex-core proc, but I'm sure my needs will still be met while saving cash and I won't have to use this dinosaur anymore.

Thanks SO MUCH for all of your updates and information. This forum has been EXTREMELY helpful. I'd still be in the dark if it weren't for all of you. You've helped me make the right decision for my business needs.

Cheers, and good luck to the rest of you!

DivingDeep

 

According to Joe Mundy from AVADirect, they're expecting it to be available early next month. Direct quote: "Hello Nicholas, we were told early next month."

 

Yea, I got this from Munday - "The P270WM notebook has not been canceled; it is delayed until mid-May, from the information we have been provided. You can feel free to touch base with us at that time and we will be happy to assist you further."

 

Good thing I was going to get it later this year anyway..

 

clevo say the 6xxm seires have compatible problem with new ivy platform, now debugging......
and 680m till~~june, hope no accident again

 

They have ivy already?

 

Meh. I suppose I'll contact my reseller tomorrow and see if there's any hope.
This thing has me all over the radar.

 

ofcourse.....all es(qs) ivy bridge cpu on sale now, retail version can only find 3610/3612qm

 

So what's the problem, just go RED, lol

 

DXG wants the internal 3D P270WM3 model...

 

3d P270WM3 FTW

 

3D + RED FTW!