**Official Sager NP9270 / Clevo P270WM Owners Lounge**

I'm in the Apple camp now, lol. You do your math and make your own decisions.

 

You changed camps after starting this thread . But if you have care to give any insight on what you found there which was so compelling. Also I did not understand what narupley meant by : Hehe, inb4 Aikimox (read: AW fanboy/zealot) comes up with a list of five reasons that won't be possible. =P. What does inb4 mean and could you link to the 5 reasons he talks about here? I did not get the meaning of the word "inb4".

 

Dunno what to tell you. I liked both the idea of a desktop CPU in a laptop and 3D screen + SLI. But,-
1) mobile processors got really close in the past couple of years, especially the unlocked editions. You may worry about OC'ing and overheating as much as you want but I haven't seen a single case of a dead M18x from CPU OC'ing. My beast was OC'ed to 4.5ghz for a few solid months and never had a glitch. And like I said, at those clocks the mobile processors will annihilate the 3960x in 95% cases. Those 5% of extreme rendering will still be very close, so, IMHO, no real reason to have a desktop CPU in a laptop nowadays.
2) 3D is still a huge gimmick and I'd still prefer a RGBLED IPS vse any existing 120hz panel.
3) GPU wise both machines are very close, but AW tends to update their vBIOS and drivers more often as well as address SLI/CF related issues like latency and throttling. As a result, best scores were achieved on AW machines.
4) Warranty - you simply can't beat the NBD coverage offered by Dell, period.
5) Features - M18x has WiHD, 2 headphone jacks and macro keys, all very useful IMHO.
Not to mention the 5hr battery life.
So in reality, the Clevo only has more screen choices vs all of the above.

Anyway, I'm enjoying my new MB Air and waiting for Apple to launch the new Air+Pro hybrid with matte retina screen. That's when I'll officially quit the power laptop realm, till the vendors learn to match the power + visuals.
Good Luck

 

I ... what? Why?

 

I very much agree with this!!! I do some 3d video editing and do like 3d in general so to be honest it is the 3d that is keeping me with the clevo not the cpu. If alienware offered an sli 3d capable machine I would buy it over this as I would OC the cpu ALOT!!!

The reasons quoted above do make me re re reconsider my choice of laptop. 5hrs battery!!! Higher performing cpu in MOST applications when overclocked! What is not to like? Oh yeah the 3d screen and higher price for what you get to some extent.

It is REALLY not an easy choice for me... and I am taking a guess that there are others reading here with a similar choice argghhh... LOL

 

right......x7200/p270wm this kind of desktop cpu dtr are losing its value bcz intel F*****G changed their markting strategy
(high end first>>>mainstream first )

what if this:
2010 q4, sandy bridge-e launched, followed by p270wm
2011 q4, sandy bridge/mobile launched, followed by p150/170/180hm/m17/18x
2012 april, ivy bridge-e launch, p270wm fully compatible
2013 ???, ivy bridge/mobile launch, followed by p150/170/370em/m17/18x r?
2014 ???, haswell-e launch, followed by p370wm??
......................................................................................................................................................................................................
and so no more "old high end<>new mainstream comparison case" like "2600k single thread/muti thread+oc beats 980x", bcz 3960x already fully replaced 980x

 

There is currently no 3D laptop with SLI on the market. I am assuming that there are still some tech issues with implementing it.
Regarding the desktop CPUs in the Clevo vs. the extreme mobile CPUs in Alienware there is also a matter of price: desktop CPUs tend to be cheaper that their mobile counterparts. However, this pricing advantage could be leveled by the fact that the P270WM base model may be more expensive.

 

I was always mad at people saying that Apple is the Rolls Royce of laptop world. I hated their incompatibility and low versatility. No anymore. What they say is true.

Regarding the mobile Xms, you can always go ES/QS and save hundreds. Many ppl on this forum run 300-500$ 29x0xm's and never ever have issues.

 

Might be true, but an Apple desktop or laptop is totally useless to me when all of my work is done in the PC world. Its also useless to hardcore gamers with the lack of titles.

 

will there be a dual 7970m option?

 

If we get singles, we will of course get doubles =)

 

Is a 7970m option on the NP9270 something that sager will have to offer, or is it something you can do with or without them?

 

We can do it with our without them so long as its compatible.

 

Well,

After following this thread for a good month and a half, I decided to finalize my purchase today! So now I'm one of the eager waiting for that laptop to come out.

This final stretch is rough. Fingers crossed for an early may release...

 

What new insight have u to say this? From my knowledge neither its softaware cross compatibility issues nor the gaming abiliies have suddenly changed.

what is ES/QS?
abrupt departure after starting the thread makes me a little skeptical about the sturdiness/punishment takin capacity of this laptop. I hope we wont find out in half a month that the failure rate is still above acceptable and then have to change camp. Noone in heir right minds will willingly put a lot of money if it is risky.

 

ES/QS refers to Engineering Samples/Qualification Samples. They're usually created before the final release of the CPU to be used to test designs and configurations. They're actually not supposed to be sold to retail, as per Intel, and they come without warranty.

Processors &mdash; Information about Intel Engineering/Qualification Sample Processors

 

You see, I had 2 real problems with mac: poor office compatibility and very poor gaming support. Today I saw a guy playing SC2 and LFD4 on MB Air on medium settings with no issues. Steam is fully supported and since this is my only source for gaming, I don't see a problem really. As for Office, I either login remotely to our server and do everything there or use google documents. BTW, for full compatibility you can use bootcamp (dual boot with window), it's fully supported. But I actually started liking the mac os. No regrets so far.

Exactly. Though I haven't seen a single ES/QS CPU with glitches. So it doesn't really matter OEM or QS

 

Steam isn't fully supported... Only valve titles, and 3rd party titles who decide to support Mac are supported.

 

Really? Well, as long as Baldur's Gate Enhanced Edition comes to mac's - I'll be more than happy

 

As far as I understand it yes. Most of my titles that are also Macy, actually have a second listing in my games list. BG should be, at least the dudes making it are saying it will be. But you can't play Icewind, or Torment from GOG on a Mac can you?

 

No, I can't, you're right. But you always have bootcamp. Load windows and enjoy

 

Aik,

When you get a chance, it'd be interesting to see any comparisons of some benches from the Win 7 side of OS X posted in a different thread.

 

Very good points. I'm currently on the fence regarding notebook CPU options in moving up from a D900f. My primary use is with FSX or P3D which are both CPU bounds apps. I was extremely underwhelmed with the Clevo bios OC options. The 9270 is my logical choice but the M class processors w OC seem to be closing the gap.

 

I know it is a tough decision!!! The lack of BIOS OC is a real bummer (though I totally understand why it is not in there). I would love to see if I could squeeze the MHZ to 4000 while undervolting and keeping the heat output near stock... it would be a FUN weekend !!!

Does anyone know how much overclocking / undervolting software might allow?

On another note the possibility of putting in an IVY E core late next year would also be a nice way to extend the life of this lappy if that cpu will be compatible.

Mobile or desktop it is a touch one... so everybody who is thinking about this... more thought for us all to soak up and become wiser from reading!!!

Please share!

 

What benches would you like to see?

 

Park, please, I'm partial

 

Assuming you'll be running Bootcamp, let's pick from:

3DMark, Cinebench, SiSoft, AS SSD, ATTO

(along with HWInfo or CPUID - for temp monitoring)

Also, what about FarCry, DiRT2, or any of those gaming benches.

These should give us a good footprint for an "apples to apples" (pun intended) comparison, as well as let us know if the temps show there are still "toaster" issues of which the Mac laptops seem to be so famous.


Thanks.

p.s. - Should probably go in a different thread.

 

Here's the thread about temps I started on mac forums.

We can take this over there if you like.

 

But Mac is so awesome!!!!! (Forgive my minor troll )

But seriously, no park benches... I'm hurt, and I thought we shared something due to our mutual love of BG

 

Lol, I had to google that

 

Hi everyone,
What was the news about the 2133Mhz memory module coming out soon. Is it out yet? I dont see it on xoticpc or any other site too.
@xoticpc -- Any news on when you would be getting the 3D for this model. Also any news on 90%color gamut "matte"for this model?

Another question for anyone who would like to chip in --- I was told by a friend that the same frequency for a desktop cpu and a laptop cpu does not mean the same thing and he said that it is not a straight forward comparison. So a desktop cpu at say 3.2 GHz means something more than a laptop CPU at 3.2 Ghz. Considering all issues like throttling and turbo modes and all the rest what exactly are the differences

 

before you even looking at laptop/desktop CPUs, do u know why single core CPU at 3.2ghz loses to dual core CPU at 3.2ghz? exactly my point lol. there are also many other factors such as different types of processor. comparing a 5 year old CPU at 3.2 loses to newer generation sandy bridge CPU at 3.2 even if has same amount of cores. look at 990x and 2600k for example and u'll have your clues.

as for heating factor, cache size, design of the cpu, speed, all factors in.

 

I am guessing for the single vs double core cpu you are pointing to the factors that a dual core cpu has multiple threads running multiple processes and the fact that for a single core the active time for the thread is when the OS designates the thread as active and the CPU works on that thread but for a dual core cpu the inactive thread time for each thread is lessened as there are multiple cores that can share the workload. This also explains why a dual core cpu with two threads is pretty much similar to a single core cpu with one thread + overheads for two cores ( which will be more than one core but not twice as much for sure). But this is just a technical understanding of what I can come up with. I am still all fingers about why two single core CPUs each with 3.2 GHz clock speed will perform very differently. You hint at factors such as heat, cache size and design of cpu , speed and such . From my understanding all these factors can be classified broadly as 1. The CPU itself ( structure and all) 2. the adjutants ( ram and IO Buses) 3. overhead ( including all overheads). If what you wanted to say is that considering all these factors two CPUs with same GHz will perform differently I understand that but if you say that considering factor 1 alone (assuming that 2 and 3 are same for two machines ) Two cpus with 3.2GHz clock speed will perform very differently then I am confused. From what I understand ( do correct me if I am wrong) but same frequency means the number of same bit sized cycles completed by each CPU per second so unless there is a difference in bits for each cycle I dont see how same speed = different results.

My point in asking all this is just a small question and pertinent to present CPUs. How can I intuitively or numerically ( either is fine) understand difference between a 2960XM and 3930 sandy E Cpus both at 4.0 Ghz.

 

varunreeves,

very simple... bench mark results.

ever notice that CPU / hardware reviews don't sit and say, "hey, we ramped this thing up to 5 GHz." why? Clock frequency doesn't matter unless you're comparing an *exact* configuration against another one. There are differences in CPU (cache, pipeline, branch detection, integrated graphics, etc.), discrete GPU, RAM, HDD/SSD, and all these things matter. So, in order to make an intelligent decision, enter the great equalizer (benches).

See the post I made earlier to Aik? I would like to know how whatever machine he is using scores on some standardized tests. Then I can use that in comparison to what I've tested to get a general understanding of what a machine can do in relation to those bench mark results, and how those tests apply to my every day work.

So, when your friend tells you the IVB-M vs. IVB vs. IVB-E are not straight comparisons he is correct. For example, the highest SNB Desktop CPUs vs. highest Mobile CPU will generally have more L3 cache, higher Turbo frequencies, and that brings a higher TDP. So, if you want to run some kind of comparison, you'll need bench results from both systems.

 

go to google, and type in 3930k OC and 2960xm OC. however since you'll be getting the 3930k in this laptop, you probably wont see a 4.0ghz in it without burning it up.

 

You should look at the 3920XM vs 3930k/3960X in this case as the mobile Ivy is already here. Here you can get some numbers.

 

I get the point about benches and it is for this reason that I included --- "How can I intuitively or numerically ( either is fine) understand difference between a 2960XM and 3930 sandy E Cpus". Although your reply is enlightening but what would really help is if you could (assuming you have seen earlier benches for cpus and also had practical experience with laptop benching for cpus) tell me what particular ones to consider and at what frequencies.

To the above quote from you , if I understand clearly, you are saying that if I include 3930k in this laptop then 4.0 is not possible but if i dont or if I include some other cpu then it might bee.......???? Do I understand this correctly or did you mean something else ? Is it even possible to put a laptop cppu in this model? Any other pointer might be of help too.

 

You can't really OC' the desktop CPU's in the P270WM. At least not until we have some solid proof of stable overclock from benchers and enthusiasts here. The problem is the high power draw of the cpu's and limitation of the cooling system which is still very good to even let a desktop cpu work in a laptop.

Now when talking about benches, better think of what would you need a laptop for and then we can help you decide. Also. like I said, the mobile ivy is out and you should really compare the 3920xm to 3930k/3960x.

 

When you say to numerically or quantitatively evaluate processors, then a benchmark is truly the only way.

In regards to each one, most bench mark utilities (SuperPi, 3DMark, Cinebench, etc.) have a description of how they test, and some even state how that would apply in real life situations. You'll need to do some more research as there is already enough information out there on each of these tests, and how they would apply in your everyday usage.

The motherboard of the P270WM is a socket LGA 2011. So any CPU with this socket type will fit in the machine. At this point in time, the Sandy Bridge - E (3930k/3960x [EDIT: 3820 :EDIT]) are the only <strike>two</strike> three processors that will work. And no, no mobile processor will work in this machine. For mobile processors, you'll want to look at a different Clevo models.

HTH

 

There's a rumor running around on the forums that this model has been cancelled. Anyone want to quash it, or is it panic time?
a topic about the P270WM

 

I'd imagine I'd have been informed, since Myth has 3k of my money... and they've shown themselves to be reputable in all their business dealings on this board.

 

And it's still on everyone's (including Sager's) websites. I say we give it one more hour and then send someone to pwn the troll. Come to think of it, I just realized how few trolls are here on NBR. They're like an endangered species. Maybe we should protect it? Nah. They're funny on Gamefaqs, but here they can do real damage. Maybe I should say something now?

EDIT: troll pwned.

 

actually there are more than just 3930k and 3960x have lga2011 socket, look it up.

 

Well, sure, there's the 3820. But could you give some model numbers?

 

I've only seen three; 3820, 3930k, 3960x... there are a bunch of Xeon server processors though that are compatible, but those are the only desktop ones i've seen.

 

It might help you to go back a few pages in this thread (go back about a week and a half) and read from there.

 

So i want to make a quick summary of the last pages:

• The p270wm has not been cancelled [confirmed by *mythlogic* 30.04.2012 01:39 PM ]
• the LGA2011 socket does only support 3Desktop CPUs as by today (*wikipedia*)
• a major overclock will not be possible with the desktop CPUs (may up to 4ghz - but not much further), there will be a bunch of overclockers around the world who will confirm that as soon as the beast is among us.
• aaaand ... a desktop CPU at 3,4ghz is more powerful than a mobile CPU with same clocks (lol, captain obvious)
  

 

Nah. No need, as Sunseitbaua summed it up nicely. Besides, that wasn't the point of my post was it? It was mostly to squash the idea that a "mobile" ivy bridge will work in this model.

Regardless, I edited the post to add the 3820 to the list.

 

i loled, 10chars

 

Hello,

I've been trolling this thread for a while now, am eagerly waiting the arrival of this laptop as it will most likely be my next. I'm hoping to get some advice on configuration of the P270WM, as well as which reseller to choose from.

Some info about my laptop situation. I'm STILL using a Hypersonic Aviator FX7 (purchased late 2006, D900K, AMD FX-60, 2x7200rpm hard drives in raid 0, geforce go 7900gtx 512mb, fully loaded with tv tuner dual optical drives, even had the chameleon paint job) That laptop served me well, but it has already been at least a couple years since I could play any newer games on reasonable settings, although I can still play WoW, SC2, and even the Diablo 3 beta pretty smoothly. I must have been one of the lucky ones because so many people with D900Ks/D900Ts had problems with motherboards and video cards going out, and the worst problems mine ever had were a bad stick of ram and my video card starting to go out/artifacting, and to top it off I lugged the thing with me everywhere and it has held up tot he abuse.

Anyways, I want to get back into the desktop replacement game with the P270WM. I don't want an M18X because the price difference is drastic and I don't care at all about overclocking a mobile cpu. I'd rather have a stable system that lasts me a long time. And before all you overclockers try jumping in with your two cents, yes I am aware there are plenty of you that have stable systems running at 4.5ghz+ or whatever. I'd rather not bother, used to do that stuff all the time in the past, I'm done with it. I want a reliable desktop CPU that will be good for video, photo, and sound editing, as well as gaming. That being said, times are different, and I can no longer afford to shell out the $6k I did on my old D900K. My budget this time around will most likely be around $2800, and will most likely make this purchase in early June so that could affect the parts I choose. Here's the setup I'm thinking about:

90% Gamut Glossy Screen, should I bother with no dead pixel guarantee?
Just one 675m for now, although maybe a 680m or 7990 if those are out by the time I'm ready to buy. Might get a second one now if I don't do an SSD or 6 core processor.
3820 processor, might step it up to the 3930 for the 6 cores, but definitely not the 3960 due to price. Might upgrade down the road when prices drop. Should I bother with special thermal compund?
16GB Quad Channel, most likely 1600, don't think the price increase is worth it for the 1866.
One 240GB SSD, although might skip this for a 750GB 7200 for now and use the money for a better processor up front. Would like to have an SSD for OS and games, but can always upgrade later.
Standard DVD and wireless network cards

I guess my main issues right now are should I go with a 6 core processor, or an SSD, or dual video cards? I basically have to choose one of the three in order to keep the price under $2800.

Sorry for the long post, hope this all makes sense.