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Well, of course the software available to use so many cores is limited, and will thus affect the usefulness of having that many cores. Yet I need that many cores/threads for a project that I'm working on. It is painfully slow with my humble quad core. : (
One thing I've always been curious about though:

While individual applications that use 12+ threads are few and far between(at least at the consumer level), would the same CPU[with 12 threads] be more efficient in running multiple applications at any given time, without slowing down?

 

yes and no, i would relaly have to think that cpu would know to start different program with another thread, but thats a mystery to me. or actually, i'll try it right now. it maybe depended on the software and not the cpu.

 

Oh okay... I'm not sure either. Since, what if the program is running on a virtual machine? 0.0

 

After careful consideration, I agree. I'm just going to get a desktop, too. There's too much suddenly changing in the desktop realm for the P570 to sustain the longevity I'd like to have. I am probably going to get a Haswell-based successor to the P150EM or P170EM for portability.

I still certainly look forward to seeing reviews of the P570, however. It's still going to be beastly.

Cheers to those who are still pursuing the P570. :hi2:

 

so i went and test multiple application and have them run at the same time, which most of these uses only single or two cores (two to four threads), result is CPU is being used more intensely obviously shows more usage on my cpu meter as well as generates more heat.

however this doesn't mean these applications are using CPU to it's full potential, and i'll explain why. I ran a compression test with WINRAR on a folder with a bunch of files in it (movies, text, small games, music, dll files) compression took about 50 seconds. then I made a copy of this folder onto a different SSD, folder 1 on SSD1 and folder 2 on SSD2 (this is to prevent SSD bottle-necking the CPU, which most of the time is the case.)

I then proceed to do compression on folder 1 from SSD1 onto SSD1, and compress folder2 onto SSD2 at the same time. Result I'm getting is even though both folder are compressing at the max speed (different drive), it did not take 50 seconds, rather it took approx a minute and 20 seconds. of course cpu meter shows more threads being used during two folders compression but it's suppose finish at 50 sec.

conclusion is, it maybe issues with the software itself (winrar) or maybe CPU isn't best to handle two of the same program at the sametime, theres also the CPU lock posted before and it could be that. in the end, several tests end up with similar results, single or double threaded encoding program I ran it twice at the same time, yields longer encoding time but more cores were being used on cpu meter. so I guess answer is yes and no? definitely program related though.

3970x is going to be released soon, rated at 3.5ghz at 150 watts, thats just crazy for a laptop.. 150 watts!!

again, if clevo can just somehow cool it and allow room to OC to even 4+ GHZ i'll be amazed and I just might go for one but at this point with IvyE going to be out mid/late next year I would re-advise people to wait it out. theres also the m18x R3 out Q1-2 early next year, which will probably be hella amazing.. so many to choose from, so little money LOL.

 

I see, but those tests were carried out one at a time, correct? What about running many single threaded programs on a quad core vs a hexa core, what would be the load difference of the two then?

Yeah. Keep in mind though, that if it has an actual thermal output of 131 watts, then it must be binned at 150 watts. Again, hopefully IB-E will be compatible with current SB-E motherboards...

That will be beast. 0.0 When are the GTX 700m series coming out then? At a similar time? 0__0

LAWL!

 

hope this make it clear.

 

Intel offers warranty coverage on overclocking if you buy a plan (3930k plan costs $35.00 USD). Pretty neat. It only covers desktop CPUs, however. Here is the link: http://click.intel.com/tuningplan/

We know that desktop motherboards will be compatible with the upcoming Ivy-E platform. The uncertainty lies only with The P570WM's motherboard. Here's hoping it is compatible with Ivy-E.

The 3970X is still a 6-core/12-thread processor, so my guess is that it is going to be a field test to see if people are ready for 150W TDP desktop chips.

 

Maybe I'm just stupid, but that does not make an ounce of sense to me. The 3770K has four cores and a base clock of 3.5GHz; it is also unlocked. The 3930K has six cores and a base clock of 3.2Ghz; it is also is unlocked.
The 3930K can be easily overclocked to 4+Ghz while the 3770K can be overclocked, the TIM Intel used makes it not as easy, but because of the 5% increase in performance it doesn't matter. I also understand that a laptop cannot overclock as well as in a desktop, but I only wanted to see it without that factor... benching them both in a desktop environment with the same cooling.
Nevertheless, BOTH CPUs are unlocked, so I really don't understand.

: (( I hope it is!

 

unlocked but running at stock or at overclocked state? unlocked CPU you'll still have to OC, especially in sandy bridge. in this case we are looking at a laptop, you'll not see a 4Ghz overclock with 3930k in this laptop unless theres some dramatic changes done on clevo's side. we had people purchased a test machine from eurocom (not suppose to be sold) with stock speed 3930k reaching over 90C, there you have it.

so given that it'll be in desktop CPU in a laptop, there will be almost NO room for overclock and thats where you were confused.

onto the hexa core. since you stated you want tests done with software/ program that utilizes single thread, what difference does it make if its 4 or 6 core CPU? it will still only use 1 thread, so of course the CPU with higher frequency will get it done faster. so in this case, 3770k at 3.5ghz per thread, will be faster than the hexa core at 3.2ghz per thread, clear?

now onto sandybridge and ivybridge processors, ivy bridge like i said is rated 5% faster core per core, clocked at the same frequency. if you not understand that part, it means a sandy bridge at 3.2ghz loses out in speed and performance to ivy bridge at 3.2ghz.

onto CPU "locks". more threads count means each CPU gives out less performance per thread because it'll have wait for other threads to finish. it may not have impact on single threaded program but if software uses two or more threads, you'll have less performance.

so, single or double threaded program, 3930k lost in frequency, and again lose in performance because of CPU architecture. only thing worth seeing 3930k will do better is when going beyond 8 threaded scenario, which contradicted on what you asked in your original question (two single threaded program running at the same time), which again i explained a test I done myself in previous posts.

finally, theres no need to compare 3930k to 3770k, they use different socket you will not use 3770k in this laptop. you should be comparing 3930k to the current 3940xm or compare upcoming ivy-E with upcoming haswell mobile cpu.


now heres something interesting, 3940xm stock at 3.0ghz 4c/8t can almost perform as well as 3770k in multiple benches, look it up on notebookcheck. most amazing thing is 3940xm in alienware m18x laptop can bring all 4 cores and 8 threads to 4.5ghz stable overclock 24/7 with acceptable temperature, its an ivy bridge mobile CPU.

 

Bingo. One of the reasons Clevo went back to the drawing board, I guess.

Yup, and you still have a room to improve the cooling, I'm going to resurrect the custom HS project. You can put 3x10mm pipes in there with a ton of copper and bump the stock 3-piped HS from 80W to 100+. All I need is some time. Even with a raw prototype the results were amazing - 4.5GHz and under 90C in Prime95

 

lol what the hell, under 90 C in prime95 thats insane! so does that mean the HS right now is less than 10mm? even though Ive one and it looks like theres almost no room left for more copper.

 

2 and 3 piped ones have different pipes, 2x8mm and 3x6mm. Also, those pipes are severely flattened. The one I'm working on is 3x10mm and far less flattened. It requires a radiator mod to mount all the pipes there but the result is well worth the trouble.

 

2x8mm and 3x6mm is the width of the copper pipe i'd assume, or the height? going about this would mean you'll have to somehow melt metal/ copper and rejoin it onto the heat spreader? not sure the name of the thing which is in contact with CPU, if it worked i'd pay 150 for it lol, if you dont mind making more than one..

if it worked, its really good. it would be right to assume this heatsink should fit for next generation m18x r3, it should fit fine even in R4, assuming no change in chassis and mobo.

 

Not width - diameter. That's the thing, the radiator will need to get redesigned for 3x10mm pipes. Problem is, it's a lot of $$$ to have someone do it and I don't have the equipment for trying it myself.

 

dannngg, I had my hopes up lol. well I wish clevo's new redesign would bring out something, they do have limited amount of space inside a 17 inch lappy, unless they go about making it thicker than it already is..

in regards to 3940xm and 3770k, its unfortunate but it seems 3770k is more stable at higher clock when OC'ed inside a desktop (after replacing thermal paste under the heat spreader) could go over 5GHz, where as 3940xm would stuck around 4.5 to 5ghz. I'm not entirely sure if it's CPU limitation, or because of the motherboard, probably the mobo in this case. maybe alienware and clevo would use a better mobo in their next upgrade?

i mean, better motherboard = better OC ability, better graphics performance output, better performance in raid0 setup.

 

In the 3940xm case it's not a mobo limitation, it's the heat. I we were able to make a 150W HS - it would get to 5ghz stable, IMHO. My goal is 4.5ghz 24/7.

 

so i guess 3940xm is that good of a CPU.. going 5ghz wont burn it out? i mean if it'll go 5ghz 24/7 and last 3 years i'll be just fine with that lol. people always asking for more, if theres a slight possibility that I could get it to run at 5ghz at a stable temp I would want it. it's a relief to know it'll run at 4.5ghz without killing the cpu, unlike my x9000 runs at 3.6, going above that will probably hurt it.

 

Specifications, Launch Date - 2012/10/30! Oh, can't wait)

 

It's not nice to dangle the nice toys in front of peoples faces. We can't wait either!

 

So, the only thing they have changed was the mobo... Was hoping for more. Let's see if the cooling is improved, but my guess is - not by much if at all...

 

only a few days away, 2 weeks at most. theres no msata =( and everything else looked the same as it was before.. with expresscard coming out from the front.. wth

 

There should be no changes it seems, but let's stay optimistic, after all it's the only machine that comes with the 3960X. Clevo, show us some black magic!

 

lol agreed, and a quad channel inside a laptop as well. im hoping to see some bench tests coming from this machine shortly after its release, quad channel 2133mhz from kingston gold so-dimm notebook memory, hopefully a 4.0ghz overclock across all 6 cores on 3930k or 3960x CPU inside this redesigned machine along with 680m SLi overclocked, with stable temperature of course.

 

That type of specification would destroy every other laptop currently available. Here's hoping you win the silicon lottery for that! Get pics and CPU-Z verifications!

 

that will have to wait. although I could get the 2133mhz memory in any other laptop right now, just in dual channel. the performance boost to quad channel is just for brag right, hardly any boost lol. maybe vmware virtua lmachine? or maybe Ramdisk? anyhow it seems intel maybe releaseing a Raid0 Trim for x79 chipset soon since it is considered a 6 series chipset so that for a change. x79 is also considered a high end chipset along with Z and X 7 series chipset so it'll bring out the maximum performance in SSD. but a 17 inch? MANNNN

 

if 3970x tdp really rise to 150w as rumored, i think clevo may redesign cpu heatsink......beside xeon, at least p570 have to fully support pc cpu

 

DG doesn´t use clevo any more?

 

put the 680mx sli in this thing, since this is the only laptop with enough power to handle it. 2x 300 watt power supply should do 2x 100+ watt card, and a desktop CPU.

 

so today is the day according to eurocom and the laptop can be configurable on their website as well) but no word from Sager...

 

Sager has the option available as well on their site. Resellers sites should be updated shortly. We're pushing the update out as I type.

 

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your link isn't working, Bro!

 

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A neat little touch Terran Force made there! Love it

 

still nothing from Sager and resellers((

 

woah, clevo is once again going with a desktop cpu and two power supplies? man, i think this is a mistake. why not go with 18" laptop, mobile cpu, and dual cards with 4 hard drives. they should compete with the m18x.

 

you mean 5 hard drives? (M18xR2 has 5 not 4).

Judging from the pics, Clevo didn't improve the cooling...at all. The exact same CPU HS will barely cope with stock clocks. Not only they are using a year old tech + 2 year old design, they didn't even bother to improve the important parts like cooling. I really hope, there's some big surprise under the hood, otherwise - not impressed

 

lol we definitely need some pictures of whats under those shells. iirc powernotebooks usually have pictures showing fans but not heatsink, hopefully one will show some improvement. for IVY E, it'll probably be 6-8 cores considering xeon cpu were used but making a flagship 18+ inch laptop would make me purchase so much more than just 17"

btw guys.. if anyone is interested in a SLC SSD contest... http://rwlabs.com/forums/showthread.php?43-SuperSSpeed-S301-Giveaway&p=228#post228

 

so when we should expect this beast available?

 

We all know how poorly Xeons perform compared to Sandy-E or Ivy. An OC'ed 3930K annihilates the Xeon E5-2690 in almost every case. Not to mention that Xeons can't be OC'ed. Problem is, with no cooling improvement Sandy-E will also lose to an OC'ed mobile Sandy/Ivy in 95% situations. Which brings us to the most important question: what do we get in return for sacrificing mobility and ergonomics?

 

I bought a m17x for my GF...so depressing how fast it is compared to the old x7200

and so light
so thin...

never a Clevo again I think

 

Stability.

Although if this machine gets brought to life into the new year, we should see a possible Ivy-E... Lets hope

 

Was that an irony? I fail to see how it's more stable compared to other Clevo's or AW's. With 2 consecutive total recalls on X7200 (mobo revision) and P270 (mobo redesign?) stability is only a hope, not a guarantee. Ivy-E support is unlikely even if Intel says yes, Clevo will not add BIOS support, otherwise it's gonna affect their sales.

And even if there was such a thing as guaranteed stability, that would only make it as good as the competition (show me one Clevo (other than X7200) or AW with a failed mobo). So, I'll ask again, what is the benefit? In my book, the sacrifice would only be worthwhile if there was a serious performance gain! And that's why I'm so upset looking at the exact same CPU HS, which practically means - no OC...at all... But let's wait till people start pushing their beasts, maybe I'm wrong.

 

sooo.. could someone please purchase this beast and test it lol, 17 inch isnt my thing but if performance is there (with OC) I just might get one.

edit: SO heres update for IVB-E http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2012/2012110102_Features_of_Ivy_Bridge-E_processors.html now looking at those, probably runs cooler for the same hexa core, although still 130 watts TDP so may not matter much considering there won't be much of a difference in this very same laptop.. disappointment in many ways, from different companies.

Clevo needs to improve cooling, better heatsink, better mobo design, 18 or plus inch it for more space, for a thinner lappy. Intel needs to make that octa core, remove that sh*tty thermal paste under IVB-E IHS and quickly release a 8-10 cores CPU when broadwell is released in about 2-3 years from now. IVB-E will not be out until Q3 2013? joking right? like seriously..

 

Yes irony... I completely agree with you. I don't see the full advantage of the P270WM being used, as I see it: Clevo is virtually limiting themselves

 

Need some inside pictures. I am not seeing any improvements currently.. Also agreed on 18 in.

 

i think now only a roadmap shift can retain the might of clevo desktop cpu dtr:
2013 q1=ivy-e
2013 q4=haswell-e
2014 q1=haswell
2014 q4=skylake-e
2015 q1=skylake

hate to see new mainstrem quad-core (stock/little oc) beat old highend 6+core cpu stock

 

Well, according to the latest roadmaps, IVY-E comes in Q3 2013 and there's no guarantee that it will be backward compatible to x79. And by then, there will be Haswell....

 

Technology is evolving too fast, the release dates are getting tighter and tighter... damn