oh, I spoke to a few of the Laptop importers and the P270wm/570 whatever you want to call it WILL support the Haswell, not sure if this is old news or not
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Unless you have an official statement from Intel, I call BS. Not only there will be no Haswell support, even IVY-E will most likely require a different chipset. You get what you buy today - up to 3970X or Xeon and that's it. Don't hold your breath on being able to upgrade it down the road. Don't forget, even if Intel says yes, you still need Clevo to offer a BIOS update, which they won't, as Q4 2013 is when they will be launching their next flagship which should replace the P570WM.
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cpu world did state x79 will support IVB-E or the otherway around, although haswell may likely change though. it would not make sense to use old chipset for a best of the line CPU.
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Feel free to ring LB1 and confirm
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funny thing is, when IVB-E releases it will be later than haswell mobile. so basically laptops at the time will have CPUs thats 2 generations ahead of the extreme desktop processor, which core per core is at least 10-15% better in performance. i mean this CPU gives 3.2/3.3 stock frequency, I'm sure haswell extreme CPU for notebook will be 3.1/3.2 at the time considering 3940xm already made to 3.0ghz. it's very likely haswell will cool better than ivy bridge, so you can probably clock it even higher.
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Exactly. x79 is already outdated and by Q3 2013 it will be dead. By the time there will be mobile Haswell + DDR4 (which will go from 2133MHz all the way up to 4k!) + all sata 6gb/s ports, etc.
I agree, mobile Haswell XM chips would probably start at 3.3 and go all the way up to 4.2 stock with some decent level of OC'. Performance clocks for clocks is already 10-15% better than 3970x, Haswell should bump it even higher, I'd say somewhere in the 30%+ range, IMHO.
At this point no reseller can confirm that. Even Clevo doesn't have that info yet, but some resellers always claim things that don't exist. If you want a reliable source, ask Larry @ LPC-Digital or guys at XoticPC. They may not have the answer but at least won't lie to you
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There will be P570WM samples pretty soon in the hand of selected resellers. Anything else you guys need to know besides Haswell / IVY-E support?
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extreme CPU aside, they all should be 2011 pin socket, although I can't say for sure for haswell. consider how many cores it will have, haswell will probably be a lga2011 type but thats years away. right now at this point I only want to know if theres ANY chance IVB-E will support up to 8 active cores, I know the first ones won't and only goes up to 6 and already 130 TDP but there maybe a tiny chance. given it will only have 6 active and not 8, is still a crazy CPU but how well can it cool under overclocking and how high I can bring OC to. everything aside, it will need to have thunderbolt and a new chipset for me to purchase one. tech is improving fast, no point paying so much but not have a taste of the latest.
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I completely agree with you. I guess Intel is to blame for their illogical road map. Ivy-E should get released together with Ivy and not after Haswell! The top end should NOT be left behind the mainstream constantly playing catch-up game burdened by outdated chipsets!
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It's kind of pointless now on getting this laptop unless you just want the ability to put 3TB+ of storage space.
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/07/09/haswell-ep-to-use-the-same-socket-just-totally-different/ -
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a nice little article, heres another one. http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/26/exlcusive-intels-broadwell-cpu-chipsets/ looks like haswell will be the way to go?
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um anyone with updates on this computer? suppose to be out 2 weeks ago right? i still dont see it on many laptop selling sites.
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Yeah I'm slightly confused about this as well.... Does it use the Clevo P570WM or P270WM? Is both of those even real? I don't know.
EDIT: I found though searching that the name changed from P270WM to P570WM, and this guy did an unboxing: nbbbs.zol.com.cn/1/33948_453.html Pretty beefy heatsink in there for the CPU, and 4 fans is a good sign.
Also on Clevo's website there's a new listing for a P570WM3, so possibly a 3D version of this laptop will be available soon as well... www.clevo.com.tw/en/products/prodinfo.asp?productid=452 -
very nice find. however the 4 fan and beefy heatsink were already in the 1st generation laptop with 990x so basically theres no improvement. need official clevo guy to comment on this please, and correct me wrong lol
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I don't think there is an official Clevo guy on these boards... I've never seen them post.
Also be realistic, 4 fans now are newer than 4 fans a year or two ago. The heat pipe and fan assembly should be more than capable of dealing with 130W CPU and 2x100W GPU -
Wishful thinking. Clevo has been using the exact same heatsinks and fans for over 2 years now.
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Oh wow, really? That's pretty disappointing honestly.
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well, to be 100% correct, they are almost identical, the CPU heatsink is slightly different as you can see here.
The problem is those differences aren't huge. Previous models would have more radiator fins and the pipes ran inside, while the new model has less fins but the pipes are glued at the bottom. I showed these pics to a thermal engineer who makes custom heatsinks and he said that there shouldn't be more than 10w difference between the 2, given the same overall size of the radiators and pipes. In fact, he thinks the older version has a better efficiency due to more fins = more surface area to spread the heat and the internal (radiators) placement of the pipes = the heat gets transferred in both directions simultaneously. The new design on the other hand, allows for faster heat transfer along the radiator fins and out of the system due to wider gaps between the fins and also, the extra surface area on the aluminum/magnesium plate directly above the CPU adds a minor bonus to overall heat dissipation.
So, if the above calculations are correct, we are looking at the exact same or similar performance of the new cooling system compared to the old one. Which, BTW is supported by early tests of the first P270 samples, where we saw slightly higher temps than those in the X7200 machines. Not all hope is lost however. Maybe Clevo improved fan settings, as well as provided a more polished BIOS. At this point I'm eagerly waiting for some real tests, coming from early adopters and independent reviewers. I'd gladly do a review myself if there's a reseller willing to send me a demo system for a couple days
I'd even cover/split the shipping costs.
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i was just thinking if they were to put 4 fans and that quad pipe heatsink in m18x.. maybe cpu could go 5.0ghz stable.
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Exactly my thoughts. Clevo could easily make a mobile IVY mobo for this chassis and have 5ghz+ stable! on the CPU without any risk of overheating. For the 3930k they do need far more copper and fan power.
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I think they use the desktop platform because this model's selling point is >4 cores physical cores. They want you to buy the P370EM for a mobile solution. Sadly, the whole shared heatsink design is terrible and leads to overheating of both the CPU and secondary GPU in the 370.
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a Pro-Star contact told me they will be releasing their version from this model in December
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good to know, hope something really did change..
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Clevo is prolly waiting for the 680MX and 7990M to be released.
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lol as if they could fit two 680mx and cool both + CPU, i doubt it. where did 7990m come from? havent heard anything about it.
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2 PSU's would manage just fine. As for the 7990M, it's a wild guess based on the fact that Tahiti LE is coming in 7 days and given that the new card is somewhere between 7800 and 7950, it would be logical to assume AMD is gonna answer the 680MX threat with their own top dog. Just a speculation of course.
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UNDER THE FAMOUS NAME OF P270WM MUAHHA I present this:
Test Schenker XMG U702 (Clevo P570WM) Notebook - Notebookcheck.com Tests
enjoooooooooooy
first official european benchmark here we go
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That was rather disappointing honestly. The temperatures seem ridiculous, even with 4 fans. 59C on the SSDs? Are you kidding me? Also, what's up with the ~20C disparity between the GPU temps?
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91C on the CPU at room temp of 22C. And that's @stock clocks. Here go my hopes of ever OC'ing this beast.
Yeah, high SSD temps are also a bummer...
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My thoughts exactly. It's a shame Clevo doesn't seem able to produce a dual GPU laptop that can adequately cool itself.
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rofl this temperature thing is hilarious. SSD going towards 60+ is just plain awesome LOL
but yea 3960x or even 3930k would not work inside this thing, best bet is 3820 and oc those 8 core to like 4.2 which is basically the same as 3940xm oc to 4.2 but then loses cause sandy compare to ivy =(
i just dont understand why clevo is so uptight about not making this 18 inch with more space, with desktop CPU as a seller people isnt gonna care about it getting heavier. dummy corporation, no offense man. if you think 18-20 inch laptop isnt going to sell, then you're dead wrong. when a desktop CPU inside a laptop with adequate cooling even a 18+ will sell. -
The SSD in my x7200 goes up to 50C max when gaming. Says something about this.
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Not that I think it will change the outcome much, but on average how much higher TDP does an ES CPU have over the final CPU for the i7-3960X? Although, it might be hard to guess as I'm sure it is all varies from chip to chip.
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Depends on the ES version and also some variation chip2chip. If you can get a QS version that would be as good as OEM. Even the ES is sometimes just as good.
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Then our best guess on all of this data is the P570WM is no worse/ no better than the x7200 in regards to heat / and OC-ing capability - however, this is a non-factor for those of us who benefit more from the # of cores rather than pure clock speed.
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Please explain, as I'm very curious to know about possible advantages of such a setup. I do a lot of virtualization and multi-core CPU power is a must, am also into gaming and video encoding.
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Let's see...
Need the everyday kind of office stuff for browsing, email, the occasional word processing, spread sheets, etc.
Also need tools for the corporate VPN, TTY shells, VNC, Remote Desktop, Network trouble shooting, etc.
For my direct development, I'm running IIS, SQL Server, as well as an instance or two of Visual Studio 2008/2010/2012. This is active development and debugging for the Windows version of my work. I spend a good portion of my time here.
For non-Windows development (from other colleagues), QA, and support of customers, I run VMWare. I have about 3 VMs that all may be running at any given time for dev work including building / testing in non-Windows environments as well as testing in other versions of Windows, SQL Server, web servers, web browsers, Java and Eclipse clients, etc. Some of my tasks involve testing stuff I just wrote (which require my direct input - meaning nothing else has my attention), while some others may be running background automated tests, and finally others compiling apps in different OSs and running their counterpart automated test suites. All of this happens while the previously mentioned items are all still up and running in the background and/or interacting with the VMs if I'm troubleshooting a server on one end, and running a test suite in the VM against my debug server or possibly examinging output of a different client in one of those VMs.
BTW, I didn't mention some days am needed in the office, and other days I'm working from a remote location. So having all of this in a laptop is just that much more of an added convenience.
So, with all of that going on, a hex-core / SSD / Hybrid Drive setup has been a blessing, and have enjoyed my x7200 for the last 25 months. I'm not looking to upgrade just yet, so I hope they iron some of these possible issues out, and have another powerhouse Haswell laptop ready for me sometime in 2013. -
Our requirements are very similar, TBH. I have about 50 semi active and 30 active VM's in Hyper-V, some running Exchange DAG, IIS, SQL, BackupExec, and fully blown System Center 2012. At times I tax most of the VM's at once with various stress testing tools to simulate enterprise level scenarios (1000 users and up). So far, I haven't been able to put my CPU to its knees, not even close. But the extra speed per core gives quite an edge in certain CPU hungry games and unfortunately, most of those can't fully utilize even 4 cores, so it comes down to sheer speed.
One important thing to notice, I keep all my active VM's on a SSD for best performance benefits (conversions are a breeze) but it does put quite a bit of stress on the drive and it goes up to 45C in my M18x, which could easily translate to 60C+ in the P570WM. That would keep me really worried... -
im using my alienware default OS ontop of that running 3 more VMWare at the sametime, all4 OS in the same game. controlling 4 players in a 5v5 online gaming is awesome, given that i have enough apm.
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Looks like Clevo posted the User Manual and Win7 drivers today for the P570WM/P570WM3. Specs from the manual list the GTX 680m and GTX 670MX, both with SLI support; don't see an AMD GPU listed.
CLEVO - Download -
First Review (Translated from German):
Google Translate -
Here is the complete GPU listing: (Note this is the officially supported by driver list, not the complete list of what might work)
nV:
580m (Also supported in 3D)
675m (Also supported in 3D)
670mx
680m (Also supported in 3D)
Quadro 5010m
Quadro K5000m
AMD:
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why no 680mx =( would 680mx fit into this computer?
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Because as of now there is no Clevo GTX680MX.
This is the whole list from BIOS:
AMD Radeon HD 6990M
AMD Radeon HD 6970M
AMD Radeon HD 7970M
nVIDIA GTX 660M
nVIDIA Quadro FX 5010M
nVIDIA GTX 680M
nVIDIA GTX 670MX
nVIDIA Quadro K5000M
nVIDIA GTX 580M
nVIDIA GTX 675M
nVIDIA GTX 670M
nVIDIA GTX 560M
nVIDIA GTX 485M
nVIDIA G GTX 285M
nVIDIA Quadro FX 2800M
nVIDIA GTX 480M
nVIDIA Quadro FX 880M
nVIDIA N11M-OP1
nVIDIA Gefore 310M
nVIDIA GTX 460M
nVIDIA GTX 470M
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I haven't been able to bring down any systems except maybe once or twice with some accidental infinite loops on my part. It's good to know I can go more if needed since I'm not gaming, nor running single or limited threaded games inside VMs.
In regards to the temps, I cannot say for certain as I don't want to guess how the air flow of the x7200 compares to the P520WM. In case anyone wants to compare this, although my C300 does not show up on any SMART sensor scans, the dual hybrid Momentus XTs run around ~45C (1) and ~39C (2). The case seems to always be running around around ~55C (although I cannot tell anymore as HWMonitor Pro) seems to now have removed that from the Free version. -
What I wanna see is someone with a 3930k running CPU benches like Prime. I bet it will run cooler and maybe, just maybe even overclock. That would be a deal maker for many. I've just got my new 2960XM and and am happily running at 4-4.5Ghz but will push further when my new heatsink arrives and the mod is complete. That's when I'm gonna really test it against a 3930K/3970x and see if there's any advantage of those 2 extra cores vs high clocks.
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Meaker@Sager Company Representative
Because it's a desktop all in one card at the moment.
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Just because apple uses it in their "tiny desktops" doesn't mean it's designed for desktops. According to Nvidia it's a mobile GPU.
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Meaker@Sager Company Representative
Because that's the design it's closest too, but they don't have desktop/mobile/other, they have the two.
Designing the graphics slots and cooling to deal with an extra 50W is quite a sudden change.
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