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You don't want to do any upgrading yourself?

"- 750GB 7200RPM [Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache] - Default (SKU - S5T306)
- 750GB 7200RPM [Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache] (SKU - S5R305)"

I would change the second hard drive to this 1TB 7200, SATA III, 32MB Cache, if you are comfortable doing this easy install. It's only $10 more. If possible, I would see if you could get this as the first hard drive too, if you don't plan to go SSD.

Newegg.com - Hitachi GST Travelstar 0S03563 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 2.5" Internal Notebook Hard Drive

As said earlier, the 120HZ 3-D model is not out yet.

I wouldn't downgrade the RAM either, personal preference.

 

I'm on the same boat, I wish they still sold the NP9370, but w/ the 4th Gen Intel Chips and Crossfire 8970Ms! Is tearing out the connector to the touchpad LED easy? If you could make a tutorial when you get yours, that'd be awesome!

 

I'll have mine tomorrow and removing that tumor of a touchpad LCD connector is one of the first things I intend on doing -- I'll post back instructions on how.

BTW, Clevo/Sager does have a non-blingy version of the same laptop, the P370SM. Haven't seen it available from any resellers yet though... I wish it had been when I was looking to buy!

On a related note, I showed that Prostar video demo to my fiance... Her first statement was: "You didn't seriously pay money for something that lights up light that? It looks light a bad Chinese New Year toy." So yeah, I've definitely gotta kill that LCD.

 

Looking at upgrading my current laptop to the latest revision. I'm looking at the 8290/8270 and the 9390 currently. I've configured both to my liking, and I don't know if it's worth the extra $200 dollars to get the 9390. I know I would be able to SLI/Crossfire in the future if I choose to. One thing I couldn't find is if the if the 9390 offers better cooling overall compared to the 8290/8270.

 

It does have an extra fan in the system to accommodate that extra GPU and a slightly larger chassis does mean there is a little more airflow. The designs are largely similar to the previous gen 9170 vs 9370, so you could compare the cooling of them and get an idea of what to expect. We'll also have our video review up before too long with our thermal imaging of the machine to give you an idea what to expect as well.

 

THIS JUST IN!! VERY IMPORTANT IF YOU PLAN TO GET THIS LAPTOP WITH 8970M or 8970m X-FIRE!!!

Based on what I believe as strong evidence, the 8970m and 8970m X-fire will NOT be available with the 120hz 3d version of this laptop. It will only support NVidia 3D. (This is found out by looking at the manual, particularly "Model C". This is the 120hz version; however, it says nothing of the AMD 3D technology, only Nvidia. This leads me to the inevitable conclusion...the only options, graphically, for this notebook 120hz 3d version will be NVIDIA cards and NVIDIA only...most likely high end 770m & 780m cards, most likely SLI'ed as well.

If you plan to get this laptop w/ the 8970m X-fire and are waiting for the120hz and/or 3d version, you are wasting your time. Either wait and pay for the overpriced NVidia 780m SLI, or buy the 60hz or current version of this laptop now w/ 8970m or 8970m X-fire. That is all.

 

This sounds like it will be right to me. All other previous 3D options have been Nvidia only. I've never seen an SLI only version though. Previous 120hz have been available with AMD cards but never 3D.

 

Don't think anyone really expected a 3D version for AMD... like you said, they never offered it before.

 

screw 3D....I wanted the 8970m X-fire on a beautiful 120hz, therefore 120fps screen....3D was more a interesting sideshow....

Now, unlike AMD's slogan, I'll have to settle for the 8970m Crossfire on a 60hz (60 FPS0 screen...

 

I heard I can OC the display hz to get more FPS on my screen...(meaker told me this)....is this true?

 

It's not supported by Sager or Clevo but it's possible. I wouldn't bother though, because overclock of LCD offers marginal improvement with too much risk of damaging the display.

 

Hi guys, this is my first post. I actually read a lot on this forum and it was very helpful. I am probably heading to get one of AMD 8970M and I need to know the performance of the 4GB one`s and real performance.haven`t found any reviews about it. I need to know how much performance/power increased by 4GB. and comparing to 7970M. I know 7970M had a lot of issues with the driver and even hardware. looks like not much change in hardware. any idea!?
Thanks:thumbsup:

 

The 8970m is the 7970m (AMD Pitcairn), just with a 6% overclock -- there is no change in hardware. So if you want to see performance results, just look for reviews of the 7970m and add 6% or so. Whatever driver issues were present on the 7970m (I assume you mean the problems with Enduro) will likely be the same on the 8970m.

The 4GB vs. 2GB memory will only help you when the game requires more than 2GB which is not many (if any) games at present when playing at 1080p, at least at levels that your 7970m/8970m can push: 4GB is overkill right now for this chip. I'd say your not going to see any improvement. There are, however, some mods out there for games e.g. Skyrim that need the extra memory, and the extra buffer will likely become more important in the future as games with higher textures are released. When your game does hit the frame buffer i.e. require over 2GB on a 2GB card, the performance hit is quite drastic.

 

Actually, back to what Hutsady said, AMD cards won't be offered since this model is 3D, and even if it was, It would only be a single 8970m....And what's the point of that? A 8970m, on ultra settings at 1080p most likely won't break 60 FPS....

 

I believe the PSU Supply is 330W.

My second question...can this power up 2 8970m's which is 220 watts by itself, the processor which is an additional 50 watts, as well as the rest of the machine?

I'm buying from XoticPC hopefully one of them can tell me

If it can't will I receive a replacement power brick that is stronger?

XoticPC, again...

 

I think we covered this in Chat today

 

Let's not degrade this thread with redundancy, but yes, to repeat what Hutsady likely already told you, a 330W PSU will power this system just fine. Remember 220w and 50w are the max power your GPUsm CPU, and the rest of the system uses around 50W (again at peak) -- and it's very unlikely, if not impossible, they'll all reach that peak simultaneously. You can do the math, but you'll see that even will everything pumping full power, you'll still have headroom left with a 330W PSU (which can, in fact, even run over spec for a short period).

To put it in perspective, I used to run an x7200 with an OC'ed desktop i7 960 (Nehalam, ~130W) with dual GTX 485s (~200W) on a PSU rated at 300W and it was fine.

 

Thanks, How about heat issues!? does it have a bigger surface than 7970m!? any improvements!?

 

Thanks, How about heat issues!? does it have a bigger surface than 7970m!? any improvements!?

 

If anyone's considering this and is still doubtful, erase them. Buy it asap from xoticpc. I have a personal experience with Hutsady, and that guy is awesome....anyone who can get through me pestering them about various computer questions for 2 hours...THANKS FOR THE CHAT EARLIER!!! REALLY APPRECIATE IT, HUTSADY!!

 

don't know about bigger surface, but it does have a faster memory clock than the 7970m...not much difference, a OC'd 7970m is more than equal to the 8970m...

 

Bigger surface? Not sure what you mean by that. It's the same exact chip as the 7970m with the same heat dynamics, just with a very minor speed bump (which you can get easily with a 50mhz OC on a 7970m) Again, your not going to much of an improvement over 7970m.

 

Mine arrived today (4700mq, 780m SLI). Super nice, glad I got it. Scored 12361 overall, and 15769 in graphics in 3DMark11.

It's a lot quieter and cooler-running than I expected. GPUs don't go over 74c under load; CPU stays around 78c at load. Sound isn't as bad as I expected, pretty loud actually. Screen is perfect.

As expected, the touchpad and audio LEDs needed turning off immediately.

 

You can turn the dancing audio LED's off?

Oh thank god!!!

 

No, but you can disconnect the cord (or put electric all tape on it) . It's soooo annoyingly bright...

Just so there's no confusion, here's how the lighting scheme works:

• Lighting is controled via Sager's normal Hotkey/Control Panel keyboard backlight software
• Only the three keyboard sections can be directly adjusted for color
• The power button's light is tied to the right section of the keyboard
• The touchpad is tied to the center section of the keyboard. So if you've set the center section to red, the touchpad will be red; if you turn off the center section, the touchpad lighting will turn off
• The back audio LEDs are always on when any backlighting is enabled and stuck to blue with no way to adjust. It's bright as all h3ll. You WILL want to either turn all backlighting off or disconnect the cord to this LED array
• The two back corner chassis LEDs cannot be adjusted and are red. As with the back audio LEDs, these can only be turned off by turning off all backlighting

As it stands, the lighting controls (or lack thereof) is really half-assed. Without adjustment, the design reminds me of a cheap chinese knock-off toy from the 80s. Hopefully, Clevo or Sager will release a patch (hah, yea right. More likely, a custom mod will be required). The overall scheme wouldn't look half bad if you could a) set all the lights to red b) dim the bright-as-1000-suns audio light. In the meantime, however, you'll likely want to rip out some LED cords with the hand of an angry God.

 

Absolutely hilarious that they thought permanent dancing LED's would be a great idea. I already confirmed that my re-seller would disconnect the touchpad light for me - not I have to do the same for the dancing LEDs!! ><

 

Keep us updated on the noise emissions man. I seem to remember someone saying that the p375sm is the only model to have it's cooling system properly revised over the previous generation.

 

15769 is the stock score for the cards???

 

Yes, that's the stock graphics score on 3DMark11. With a moderate OC (+135 core/+250 mem) I'm getting over 17k

Going to try to go past the Afterburner limit on the core tonight as it looks like there's more headroom there. Most I can get out of the memory is +340 before crashing.

 

Just purchased my 9390 through xoticpc.

Sager NP9390 (Clevo P375SM)
Display 17.3" FHD 16:9 "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright LED Anti-Glare Screen (1920x1080)
Processor: Sager - 4th Generation Intel® Haswell Core™ i7-4700MQ (2.4GHz - 3.4GHz, 6MB Intel® Smart Cache)
Thermal Compound: - IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
Graphics Video Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 780M 4,096MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11
Ram: 16GB - DDR3 1600MHz Dual Channel Memory (4 SODIMMS)
mSATA SSD Drive ( Slot 1 ): 256GB Crucial M4 mSATA SSD - ( Storage Drive )
Primary Hard Drive: Primary Hard Drive 1,000GB [1TB] 5400RPM [Serial-ATA II 3GB/s]
Optical Drive Bay: 6x Blu-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
Wireless Network: Sager - Intel® Advanced-N 6235 - 802.11A/B/G/N Wireless LAN Module + Bluetooth™ 4.0
Operating System: No Operating System Standard - Drivers & Utility Software Only (Currently have windows 8)

Now time to play the waiting game.

 

Awesome! It will be good if you have a wall meter to check system power draw. Too bad you don't have 4800mq cpu and up to check if it is overclockable like prev gen... Congrats with the build guys)

P. S. try the latest nvidia beta drivers, they are kinda official for 780m and check if your score improves)

 

Yeah!!! Looks like a sweet build. Congrats

 

I never really overclock my processor, so I just went with the basic.

I can see if I can borrow a wall meter when the laptop gets here, but not 100 percent positive that I could get one.

 

I think all mobile i7s are partially unlocked. The method I see people using to overclock them is by upping the BLCK and voltage, not multiplier. But then again I came across this:
3720QM Overclocking - YouTube

He is overclocking via multiplier options in BIOS and claims it came factory on his laptop (yet doesn't mention laptop brand / model) so IDK what to think of overclocking right now, I really hope its possible on my 4700mq when it arrives...

 

Does 375SM support Optimus/Enduro?
I read the spec n feature and no mention of this. Only 157SM and 177SM mention it.

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I believe those features are disabled on these models:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/722679-clevo-p370sm-p375sm-optimus.html

 

I can confirm there are no multiplier options in bios on 4700mq, and have confirmed with vendors you can't on a 4800mq. What you can do is adjust the multis in XTU (Intel Extreme Utility) so the 4700mq runs turbo max at 3.6ghz.

On the Enduro/Optimus question, it's not available on Clevo/Sager dual-GPU models, never has been.

 

Harmattan, that is good news that you can adjust multi even on base 4700mq cpu! Bios on Clevo laptops is locked unless someone put magic on it)

 

Can confirm as well. Anything built to house dual GPU will have GPU switching disabled which is a hardware disabling making it impossible to enable by the user.

 

MythlogicPC has a post on there Facebook page overclocking the i7-4700mq I'm not sure what method they used but it states that they used a custom bios.



The 1613 if I'm correct is there name for the PI57SM.

 

I just popped down to my computer store and realised that there is a -huge- number of 15" laptops which are too small for my hands (ie the laptop edge is uncomfortable on my wrist).

Has put a huge spanner in the works for me. Now seriously considering this model (if I'm going 17", I might as well give myself some future upgradability).

I have two quick questions:

1) all spec sheets seem to state that the p375sm is 0.1 kg lighter than the p177sm when only using 1 GPU. Is this confirmed? seems odd
2) does the p375sm run cooler/quieter than its 17" brother? I remember reading something once that stated it did. Fan noise (while gaming) is important to me. I couldn't give a rats about losing Optimus.

 

Since the P370SM is thinner than the P375SM, (one of the reasons I would prefer it), does anyone know if cooling is less effective too? Would it be better from a cooling perspective to get a dual 8970M crossfirex setup in the P375SM vs the P370SM?

Also it's been asked in the thread, but not really answered yet. Does anyone know if the P370SM will be available from US resellers anytime soon?

Thanks..

 

Having owned a P370EM, and now a P375SM, I'd reckon the 375 has a bit better ventilation as, like you point out, the chassis is a bit bigger. Don't really think that translates into much of an improvement in temps. I do know my P375SM runs 5-6c cooler on both GPU and CPU, but would chalk that up more to Haswell than better cooling.

One improvement that is noticable is sound... the P375SM is quiet. Much quieter than the m18x R2 I came from, and probably the quietest dual-GPU laptop I've used.

 

That may be the best reason to get the P375SM anyway. I thought I would like the P370SM because it's thinner and probably has less blinking LEDs, but the better ventilation of the P375SM, may be the right way to go. (That and it doesn't seem that many US resellers have the P370SM too..)

Thanks..

 

Modded BIOS, I wish they made them available to download... Am I correct though in saying that they just set the multiplier to 34 and disable step-down?

 

We might need to find out who will be carrying the P370SM, if it isn't available yet. As I understand it, not everyone will carry it, choosing the 3D model instead. But, the anti bling crowd, I'm one, can now choose to have the bling turned off. So, the P375SM, without trackpad lights, strobe/audio lights, rear LEDs, might be the only alternative. I will consider this route too for the P170SM vs P177SM if cooling and price are favorable.

 

Wow. Clevo winning in the decibel war for once!

I wonder how it compares to the P157SM/P177SM packing a 780m?

 

Hey Everyone,

We WILL have a 3713-Black edition (P370SM) thats also not 3D, we are just waiting for things to come in stock, and yes it will have a few tricks up its BIOS sleeve as well...

 

Harmattan, how's that laptop? Does the cpu bottleneck you in any way?

Honestly, i7-4700mq is the best, really no reason to pay 200 dollars more to get the 4800mq. You will not notice 0.3ghz difference...

and there is no Enduro or Optimus? So i'll never use my intel hd graphics 4600? So, even when I'm not gaming, I still have to be plugged in. Thanks, Clevo.

 

Also. Harmattan, you can increase the turbo clock speed to 3.6ghz from 3.4, but not the base clock speed? (2.4ghz)