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My understanding is that with dual graphics cards the hardware is designed to circumvent the CPU graphics. There is an actual hardware issue with switching graphics from 2 video cards paired together. I think this is an issue yet to be tackled by nvidia and amd not clevo. Plus dual graphics laptops are deemed "desktop replacements" and as such batteries are not designed to work for very long on 300+ watt draws.

 

I'm experiencing some rather consitant stability issues now on my new P375SM. Invariably, the laptop freezes/crashes after about 4-10 min of benching or gaming even at stock speeds. The amount of time it runs seems proportional to the speed I'm setting in Afterburner e.g. 1 min at +135/+350, 2 min at +100/+250, 5-6 minutes at stock speeds -- leads me to believe I have a borked 780m (or two). I thought it may have been drivers, but the crashes happen across all benches and games (Heaven, 3DMark11, BF3, Witcher 2). Temps are good, never going over 80c on the GPUs. Ugh....

Re: Killerz - The laptop would be great if I could game with it for more than five minutes without a crash Agreed that the i7-4700 is really not going to limit you if you're playing 1080p at highest settings in most games - and with Mythlogic's confirmation that there's a custom bios out there, you'll likely be able to push that 4700mq further.

Correct, there is no Enduro or Optimus on this laptop.

 

Damn that really sucks to hear! Hope you can find a way to fix/replace those soon, and hope my Xfire 8970m's wont give me any issues

 

That's new and great news for non 3D 3713-Black customers!

 

I want to be careful here since l really dislike Enduro/Optimus. So the 370sm/375sm with a single 8970m or 780m don't have Enduro/Optimus either?

 

the Brand new Clevo P370SM
Official sales start in early August.

The 2 GTX680M have 4GB Memory per card and are a Brand New *DELL Cards (*GPU-Z info).

P370SM Clevo Notebook with German QWERTZ or UK QWERTY keyboard
With 2 built-in nVidia GTX680M in SLI with 8GB GDDR-5 memory
Blue ray burner
a battery and a 330-watt power supply EU or UK
Win7 Ultimate 64-bit DVD and Key sticker
Without CPU, WiFi, hard drives and Memory

 

why not use the new improved HS from the P375SM model?

 

so the improved heatsink is only for gtx780m? how about 770m? 765m?
just ordered p375sm, but still waiting reseller who can sell me the improved hs as parts......

 

Correct regardless of the GPU config there are not switchable graphics in this model.

 

Is this laptop definitely getting a 120hz 3D screen in the future?

 

From what I understand from emails, they will have the 120hz in a few months. So late August I guess.

 

Maybe late July...

 

damn. I'm being told by one of the primary builders here in Australia (Metabox.com.au) that the P375SM will not have an option for a 3D screen. Only the P370SM3 is being kitted out that way.

 

Yes that is correct, at first ONLY the P370SM3 (which is the 3D model) will have the 120hz screen. Not the P375SM.

Later on maybe, like the last gen, where there were 120hz screens available for more than the 3D model, here in the US anyway ...

 

Hey Guys,

n00b to this site, but the thread was calling out to me...

I just ordered the P375SM today with the following specs.:

i7-4800MQ Quad Core CPU 2.7GHz up to 3.7GHz
AMD Radeon HD 8970M 4GB GDDR5 graphics
16GB DDR3 1600Mhz RAM (4 x 4GB)
120GB SSD Samsung 840 - 530/130MBs
750GB 7200 rpm secondary hard drive
Intel Advanced-N 6235 WiFi and Bluetooth v4.0

Just wondering if I can some insight as to whether I will be having buyers remorse or not?
I can not seem to find a performance review on this setup anywhere... only each component :S
Just need to know if this will be sufficient for gaming? (first gaming laptop always had high-end desktops)
Mostly play MMO's (WoW, SWTOR) with some FPS and wouldn't mind cracking into some newer games also (Assassins Creed, Crysis 3 etc.).
Could someone please lend some help with their expertise or experience with this setup?
My main concern is the GPU had mixed reviews thus far and no gaming benchmarks that I can find.
Possibly thinking about XFire in the upcoming months but not too sure if it'll be required.

Thank you.

 

That config is good, not really anything I'd change. I assume you do understand the 780m will deliver about 20% better performance than that 8970m (for a more money, of course)? That said, the 8970m is still a good card.

For reviews that are around the equivalent of your config, check out basically any recent review of a system with an Intel i7 ivy bridge CPU (3720qm, 3820qm) and a 7970m -- the results won't be too far off from your config, you'll get maybe 5% more fps in games/benches.

All things considered, I'd really recommend considering a laptop with a single 780m if your on the fence about getting dual GPUs. You'll pay about the same money. From experience, crossfire has some driver issues that need to be ironed out.

 

So the P370SM3 uses the old heatsinks (from the P370EM3)?

What a let down!

 

Thanks for the reply!

The 780m was a bit out of my price range at the moment unfortunately
Glad to hear the config. is good, hopefully the driver issues will be ironed out when I start thinking about crossfire. I keep hearing complaints surrounding AMD's drivers, but my desktop card has had no issues at all and it's an older system (X58A-UDR3 | i7-930 | HD8580), still chews up and spits out most games.

Would there be any way to OC this laptop? I know you discussed this earlier but just wondering if there is a way, and if this system would have any stability issues if I were to run in turbo / OC etc.?

Thanks for the help.

 

Mobile drivers is a whole other ball of wax from desktop drivers. And while AMD lags nVidia in desktop drivers, mobility drivers are worse - this is not likely to change anytime soon. I've seen the difference first hand: nvidia drivers amd support is better with a single card and far better with dual cards. I'm not trying to talk you out of getting an 8970m, it's a good card -- but just realize that driver issues (especially with crossfire) are just not going to go away.

Yes, you can adjust the multiplier using XTU with a 4800mq to get 400+mhz , and there may be bios control in the future with a custom bios. As for the GPU, both 8970 and 780 is easily over clocked with a number of tools. As for stability when oc-ing, well... just like desktops, that's the luck of the draw.

 

From what I heard about driver issues, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that they are very localized. Only certain people will experience certain issues. That said, I also read recently that July 31st is a big day for AMD driver developers as they will be rolling out a new driver aimed primarily at the mobile cards and crossfire.

Or so I hope, being a recent purchaser of Crossfire 8970m's myself .

 

Is that really the old heatsink? (On the P370SM3)

That would make it the only model out of the new range which wasn't updated?

 

I sincerely hope Mythlogic gets a 3D model for the P375SM early in July. I kept bugging them about it for a while, but this is the first I've heard about needing the essentially worse model (cooling, sound, etc) to get the 3D options or a 120Hz screen at the minimum. Well I can only hope I guess!

 

Sager has now added the NP9380 to their selection

 

Can we expect an upgrade system for the NP9370 since the NP9380 appears to have the same chassis?

 

The 9380 is the upgraded system. New Haswell CPU and new Nvidia/AMD GPUs. The NP9390 is the Bling version.

Unless you mean a way to upgrade the NP9370? You cant upgrade the CPU because of the different socket.

 

Yes, upgrade the NP9370 with the newer nvidia 700 series. I recall there being upgrade kit that Sager has released for previous models and was wondering if this is going to be one of them.

 

Multiple Questions

Should I get NP9380 or NP9390, I'm glad that I waited, Xoticpc now has sales for both of these products

I heard that AMD is releasing drivers for july 31st for crossfire...does this include mobile crossfire as well?

 

Very similar models except the chassis look. 9380 more business 9390 more gamers look.
Not sure about the drivers, will have to wait and see.

 

Sager has announced....The wait is ALMOST over for.......


New backlight keyboard / volume bar / touchpad Hot Key functions: (Sager NP8250, NP8290, NP9390)

Fn+ - : Volume bar On/Off.
Fn+ pad 7 : keyboard Left Section On/Off.
Fn+ pad 8 : keyboard Middle Section On/Off.
Fn+ pad 9 : keyboard Right Section On/Off.
Fn+ pad 5 : Touchpad On/Off.



We are currently finalizing testing of updated BIOS / EC Firmware and hotkey driver to support above listed backlight on/off switches.



Customers can contact Sager Techsupport for the updated BIOS / EC Firmware and hotkey driver on Friday 7/5/2013.

 

Confirmed! All Sager resellers will have this on their machines going forward from 7/5!

 

Hey there everyone! I might gonna order an P370SM with SLI 780M. However, which CPU do I need for SLI? Is the 4700MQ good enough? Or should I go for the 4800MQ?

 

The 4700 should be plenty for just about everything you throw at it, the bottleneck is typically the GPUs instead of the CPU. The 4800 is definitely not a bad idea, but probably not necessary if you're running into a budget wall.

 

This is great news, the update can't come soon enough. A couple questions:

By "volume bar", do you mean the led array at the back of the keyboard (on the np9390) that lights in conjunction with playing audio? Also, will there be a way to control the color on this or is it stuck blue?

Will all there be any other adjustments included in this bios?

 

Thanks Derek :thumbsup:!

Also, when I will only buy a single 780M, will I be able to manualy place a second 780M in it without any trouble?

 

So long as you get the heatsink yes. 4800MQ is a nice bonus since you get the larger overclock out of it too but is not required.

 

Thanks Meaker.

 

Is mysn.eu/.de a reseller of Sager? I might be buying a laptop from there soon and I would like the option to turn off these lights without having to open it.

 

Sorry I do not know at the moment. We should know more on this by Friday afternoon ...

 

could not figure out how to delete this double post...
I'm not with it today :S

 

Hi, I recently posted about my setup and I'm wondering wether I'd made the right choice. It turns out the i7-4800 is out of stock at the builder at the moment but I believe this may be my opportunity to do some tweaking. I'm going to change from the 4800MQ and HD 8970M to the 4700MQ and GTX 780M. Do you think this was a good idea, will I get more gaming performance from the modified steup? Thanks.

 

The 780 is MUCH better than the 8970M, it realy is. You will get much more peformance with 4700MQ and 780M.

 

If all you're going to do is game (read: no livestreaming, recording with CPU-bound programs, video rendering in Cinema 4D/Adobe After Effects, running Super Pi over and over, etc) then the second setup is goldensauce for you. You could simply OC your single cards as well without running out of power headroom for the time being too.

 

In agreement with the two previous posts, 4700mq+780m over 4800mq+8970m is categorically the right choice for gaming. 780m will give you ~25% more performance unless your playing very cpu-intensive games or lower resolution.

 

If you configure the 8270-S with the 780M it is $150 cheaper than the 9380-S with all other options being the same. What hidden advantages does the 9380-S have that i cant see for the $150 difference?

 

The P370sm is able to output 3d onto external monitors whereas the P170/177sm aren't. In those models the 3d capability is being restricted by optimus. Hell I am not even 100 percent sure whether it can even run games on 120hz(which is very important in fps games).

So far I think that optimus is a HUGE pain in terms of 3d/120hz options. They should make it so that we can turn on/off the iGPU in those damn laptops!!!

 

Thank you all for the response. The games I guess I would consider CPU intensive which I play a lot is WoW and SWTOR, will I have any problems here? My desktop runs both well (SWTOR @ 61fps and WoW well over 60fps) and I am just hoping to get at least on par with that performance from this laptop, preferably better, possible? Thanks.

Also is the 17.3 " FHD 1920x1080 LED/LCD 72% Gamut Matte screen in the P375SM a 120Hz or a 60Hz screen?

Thanks.

 

Not really hidden advantages:
9380-S has one more (four total) USB 3.0 port(s) and a Thunderbolt port. Also 1 x eSATA/USB 2.0 combo port.
8270-S has 1 x USB 2.0 port, 3 x USB 3.0 ports. Of those three USB 3.0 ports one is an eSATA USB 3.0 combo. 1 x Mini IEEE 1394a port, 1 x Display port 1.2, 1 x Mini Display port 1.2

Hidden advantages:
As I understand it, better cooling on the 9380. From HTWingnut's review and the following thread, better sound on the 9390. I'm only assuming the same sound on the 9380.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/723597-demo-sager-np9390-clevor-p375sm-audio-light-bar-demo.html

At this time, the 9380-S has TWO useable mSATA slots in Sager Reseller configurators. The 8270-S has ONE useable mSATA slot in Sager Reseller configurators. The second mSATA slot is physically there in the 8270-S.

 

Alright, it is very weird why certain clevo resellers(for instance xnotebooks.nl and bto.nl) are indicating 2 usable msata slots on their p170sm models while only 1 of them is actually functioning as it should. You would say that they have tested it?

 

Some Clevo resellers are Sager dealers. Others merely use Clevo stock chassis to do their own custom systems. For now, Sager only supports the single mSATA slot in the p1xxSM models; however, this may change, as it has been stated that Sager is working on a fix. Resellers that are not Sager dealers perhaps have worked out the problem themselves or they may consider the BIOS and firmware stable enough to support the two slots under warranty where as Sager still does not. Mythologic is another example of a Clevo reseller that is not a Sager dealer and they offer two mSATA SSDs in their p1xxSM models. Either way, the issue with Sager should hopefully be temporary. If you do decide to purchase from a Sager dealer, you should eventually be able to add a second mSATA drive of your own as it would be perplexing for Sager to not resolve to allow access to such an important piece of hardware. These systems have only been available for 3-4 weeks now and we've already seen important issues resolved like, for example, the tracklighting issue.

 

I've read multiple times that the p370sm has a heatsink with an old design (the same of the p370em perhaps?)
whereas the p375sm has a new and improved one. And yet from the photos and videos I can't really see many differences
except that in the new design there seem to be some black covers on the cpu and second gpu's heatsinks, the second gpu's fan seems slightly different from before and one of the three "tubes" of the second gpu's heatsink seems to be
partially covered by something. Is that is? And do these changes make a significant difference from last year's design?