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On a side note speaking of cars they have finally managed to unlock my ECU protections so it's going into the shop on Wednesday, my little 3 cylinder 1 litre turbo should be producing a fair amount more power I am glad I already have the wheels/tyres to go with it

 

Yeah I just took my BMW M4 to the dealership last week and they did an ECU upgrade which made the steering wheel feel much more natural as it was too artificially heavy before and the exhaust note improved with more burbles and crackles now. These ECU tunes can do wonders man!

Listen to it here (I'm not the dude talking but the d00d driving:

 

Overclock everything

 

@ole!!! Looky look !!

 

Yes, we put Fujipoly Extreme thermal pads on both the CPU and GPU when ordered that way. However don't expect that to drop your temps by 10~15c.

I do not believe you will find a single user of the EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1 that has the Intel® Core™ i7-8700K overclocked to 4.8GHz, and Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080's in SLi, that will not hit temps in the mid-80's, depending on what they are doing. Under stress, temps in the low to mid 70's is simply not achievable, except possibly with the Silicon Lottery Binned Intel® Core™ i7-8700K and a single nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080, and even then you can expect temps in the high 70's to low 80's when under extreme stress.

Please keep in mind that when you have Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 in SLi, you can expect higher temps on both the CPU and the GPU’s.

I see @Dc_79 reporting lower temps, but I don't see his configuration in his signature, and I doubt that it is the same as yours, nor do I believe he is running the same environment that you were when you were hitting 85c.

@Ogg has the Silicon Lottery Binned Intel® Core™ i7-8700K and a single nVIDIA GeF orce GTX 1080, so his would not be an apples to apples comparison either.

The bottom line is, price doesn't matter as much as physics does, as has been explained by @bennyq and others quite well. When you put that much horsepower in a laptop, it is going to generate a lot of heat, and you can't throw enough money at it to change those physics.

 

0.4Amps? this is the same fan? cause the two fans i got are both 0.5Amps.

@wtjwillis i spent a premium on the CPU side of thing directly from silicon lottery, quite a bit more than what you paid on your CPU, trade off is I only got a single 1070 because im not much of a GPU person. can you post some screenshot of your throttle-stop profile settings then maybe people can help once we see it. without seeing it its more so test this and that etc.

basically the core/cache voltage if they are on static/adaptive, what offset you're using or if any, also a screenshot of Hwinfo while CPU is on idle too because seeing the idle max peak voltage will give me some more info as well. I have spent hours tweaking my cpu to the way i like it, not only our cpu are different our usage are different too.

lastly, the heatsink i got was also a bit uneven, i was just too lazy but i'll post some picture soon.

 

Would something like this cool the P870 better? I'm half tempted to put them in my Coolermaster laptop stand.

 

It's the same model number LOL

 

weird lol. well .4/.5 amps wont make enough of a difference honestly. the few degree decrease of temp is barely noticeable unless with accurate testing. i wanna see if i can find a 12v thin fan and do a splitter off the primary CPU fan port to see how much more i can get out of it. if its splitter, fan will be controlled along side with primary cpu fan then noise would be less of a concern.

maybe @Papusan can help us find a thin 12v fan lol

 

I have enough stuff laying around to make a splitter, but is the One cpu fan header enough for the two fans ?
Wellp after looking at the other post you sent me with the one from eBay, my number does NOT match. Lol BUT it is the same fan just the .4 instead of the .5 lol

 

donno, i'd like to think mobo will provide more to it but i guess ultimately i have no clue. there should be a limit on how much current is allowed through the pin but i have no way of knowing, all based on the resistor value, best way is to live test it and fn+1 for max fan speed.

also donno if anyone knows if fn+1 will work without the sensor RPM signal, since i was told it is controlled with just red/black, where as red changes voltage from 12v to lower. lastly it'll be great if someone with knowledge can make out if max output power of a fan is directly related to how powerful they are.

here are the fans
12v, 0.18A https://www.ebay.com/itm/261875806386
12v, 0.10A https://www.ebay.com/itm/322310113321
5v, 0.4A https://www.ebay.com/itm/322133870001

going by power.. 5v 0.4A is more but realistically it isnt that simple, theres also how much air it can move. the blades all look similar and i dont wanna buy all of them LOL. 10mm will be a very tight fit, i'll measure it tonight with my 8mm fan by adding additional 2mm see how that goes.

 

I deleted numerous posts over the past couple of pages due to arguments.

People who are browsing our forums won't gain anything from reading your arguments. Keep them to yourselves. Basically, cool it.

There is an ignore list feature on this forum that is very easy to use.

Charles

 

Donald, Thank you for your reply. I understand this laptop has a lot of horsepower in it, it's quite evident. But I'm a little saddened that you(I'd have about the most respect for you out of anyone in here) also seem to be stooping a little low. Allow me to briefly explain. Throwing money at something to change physics sounds dumb, and probably not likely. I however, never implied that in the least. I'm going to take a leap and assume you are referring to my comment of spending a lot of money on a laptop and expecting it have decent cooling. Now THAT I did say/imply, and that is also not a far-fetched assumption/request.

Nonetheless, all I originally was trying to say was I thought the temps were too high for my liking, that's all. Whether you agree or disagree, that was my only message. As for everyone else blowing this out of proportion, well, the world is full of idiots.

Thanks for the insight Ole. I appreciate your concern. I can probably do that this weekend after work. I'm not too sure how to pm on here, but let me know however you prefer me to send you that information. Again, thanks man.

 

@wtjwillis yea let us know when you have time on weekends. just to add few things here, enthusiasts like many here learned many things by spending our own time and we know everyone has a habit of imposing the rules we've set on ourselves onto others, and sometimes when empathy (sympathy?) missing, things come out wrong. once an argument starts, people usually will see the opposing side as 100% negative. basically what im trying to say is, these guys cool people and we shouldnt argue among ourselves or BGA market will soon kill us off.


onto cpu temp problem. iirc @Donald@HIDevolution mentioned they get theirs from SL. SL will without a doubt get a chip passes 47x but thats it. their workload is heavier than consumer workloads, you maybe able 48x stable, but that doesn't mean voltage/temp trade off at 47x/48x is efficient (many can accept it, me and you could not).

if you got a chip that is rated for 47x, you'd expect it at 46x simply because their test runs off much larger water cooling system. in my case, b4 purchase, I planned to have a 50x so I got 52x, even running at 50x it is still too hot to my liking. at 49x temp is around 78-80c at peak, during winter, auto fan. but as you can see i went from 52x to 49x, a 300mhz down from its rated speed while yours is 100mhz above from its rated speed.

im sure at HID they know what laptop can do for majority of their customers, for me personally I expect a lot from my cpu so i had to go by my standard, assumed the worst, got the best, still came out short.

 

Fair enough man, makes sense. I agree.

As far as the temp goes, before I lower the OC, I'll check and see if I can lower the voltages any more and it still be stable. I'd like to think that will help.

 

I came here to see what could be done about the temps of my raging inferno 1070's and info about the fourth fan, all i got was arguing between five people

 

do u have a 2nd gpu power cable connected? just 1 or 2 1070s?

 

yes its all hooked up, 2 of them and they throttle under full load with fans set to max

 

If you have the one-piece vapour chamber heatsink, with two heatpipes on top, that is absolutely abnormal and you should get in touch with Metabox about it. Even if it's separate three-heatpipe heatsinks, they should still handle the 1070 without thermal throttling if it all fits properly. Check the thermal pads aren't creating a huge gap needing lots of paste as filler, you can carefully bend the 4 spring loaded arms around each core for more pressure.

In the meantime you can also try an undervolt - which is wierd on pascal but basically you cap the maximum turboboost voltage using the afterburner curve by flattening it beyond your chosen maximum. The stock pascal voltage is wasteful, I've found 1.06V is not needed unless well beyond 2000mhz. By reducing how much of the wasteful turboing beyond 1.00V it does, you can reduce how much power the cards consume, since as voltage goes up, power consumption increases exponentially (W per each +100mV progressively increases), but the clockspeed you gain decreases exponentially (Mhz per +100mV progressively decreases)

The unwritten rules of life at play... empty vessels make the most noise, the squeaky wheel gets the oil...

 

@ole!!! If theres a fan that fits in the slot, I don't care how noisey it is so long as its powered by the second connector, More airflow the better i say


@Everyone else, Stop arguing like children it is unbecoming especially on an enthusiast forum such as this one, It's embarrasing to watch.

As for my own temp issues

Mine is the Sli 1070 rig, It has the vaporchamber (Both gpu's cooled with 2 heatpipes each but they have one big slab of metal for both of them rather than 2 seperate), It takes a few minutes to hit throttling temps when at max fans, But they will hit throttling at full load and go from a stock GPU BOOST 3.0 clock of around 1800 to 1300 and sit at 1300 and 90C

 

i got a 1080 heatsink for a single 1070 and my GPU temp under gaming load ultra with 1080p-1440p is like 55c-58c lol can't even hear the fan. 1080 heatsink capacity is simply too big unlike the CPU heatsink, much smaller for much higher wattage output (high oc).

for a fan, i honestly don't think theres any that'll just "fit". fit is one thing but work is another. laptop oems like to change their wire color or pin layout so u'll need to re wire and splice them to get it to work. if you dont mind the constant noise and extra work, then i fans i listed b4 would work. 5v goes into pin 1 which is most right, pin 4 is ground most left. fan might come with 2-3-4 pins, if its more than 2 then u'll need to rid of extra wire and somehow cut the connector so that it'll still connect and hold itself in.

the above, or you can try to find a 4 pin wire fan, and just re-route the wire without cutting the connector and it'll fit just fine on the mobo. im done with the 5v fan, temp reduced wasnt worth the effort, imma try splitter the 12v cpu fan and hope it can provide enough current to 2nd 12v fan and both be controlled by laptop.

 

I'm not having any cpu temp issues, Or atleast i won't be once i've delidded since i've gotten 5.3Ghz stable, Gpu temps are another thing though.

Anyway any extra airflow is worth the effort to me, I like to tinker, I didn't pay 4500 bucks just to leave it at god damn stock, That's like buying a 4WD and only taking kids to school with it.

 

I need really quick help

I need to pick RAM, but only two options available in Romania

One of them is 150$ more expensive:

Cheaper one:

https://www.vexio.ro/memorii-ram/g-skill/91889-ripjaws-v-ddr4-2-x-16-gb-2400-mhz-cl15-kit/

150$ more expensive:

http://www.cel.ro/memorii/kit-memor...dual-channel-pNSQzNDcs-l/?utm_source=price-ro

Need help and I appreciate quick help from those more knowledgeable

8700K, ASRock mITX Gaming motherboard, only those two are available in Romania and compatible with the motherboard...

 

go for the best or dont go at all? lol.

for casual usage, 2400mhz is good enough and you may not feel difference unless you're seeing benchmark in games/ram test, or doing compress/decompress files which would use a lot of ram.

 

The only time you would ever see the difference between the two would be in synthetic benchmarks. Other then that you would be just giving $150 extra just to be able to say your ram runs at 3000 instead of 2400.

 

That's what I started pondering about the 5v fan aswell .I'm hoping I can find a 12v fan that will fit in a shroud this small lol.

 

TDP modded 1070?
If that's a 200W 1070 then those temps are impressive. If it's 115W, I can get those temps on a BGA Cancerbook, with LM paste...

 

i dont think its a 200w 1070, there a way to tell?

 

I modded mine to 195W (200W) with the hardware programmer and pascal editor. Runs hotter than 115W. I would say about 10C hotter.

 

hah thats why i said .4A and .5A isnt going to be any difference. the fan is puny compare to primary cpu fan. it does create some airflow and noticeable noise. that fan u found is 55x55x8mm, i found a few 12v fan thats 60x60x10-13mm that will fit, measured it last night that it can possibly go up to 12mm just that extra fins only 6mm in height.

 

that doesnt make sense though unless you are also using a massive 1080 heatsink, or your laptop heatsink for 1070 is just as large as 1080 in capacity. going from 115w to 200w normally wouldnt be just a 10c jump, it'll be more like 25-30c jump.

 

GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 use the same capacity and sized heatsink on the GT73VR models. Just the 'position' of the heatsink for the 1080 is shifted, so a physically different mold is used (exact same HS will not fit the other model). Also VRM heatsink is different layout as well.

 

That's what I'm looking for right now lol.

 

@ole!!!
This is 1080 heatsink:



This is 1070 heatsink



You can see they both cool the exact same. The only difference is the layout format because of the layout change. I don't know if those dimples mean anything for the 1080 version.

 

yea msi's put a lot of work on their GPU heatsink alright. its definitely way more capacity than clevo's single 1080 heatsink. with that heatsink, a 10C jump for a 80w+ increase sounds about right.

 

My new computer was delivered yesterday , but I gotta wait until tomorrow to unbox it and dive in ...

@Donald@HIDevolution I can't thank you enough for all of your timely assistance and guidance along the way!

@Prema Are you still waiting for Intel to release their latest code fix for Specter, before releasing an updated BIOS that includes the fix for the keyboard glitch? Thank you!

@Phoenix Can you please help me tweak my Window 10 installation? Thank you!

 

Sure when do you want to do this?

 

Dimples are the equivalent of maximising ground planes in PCB design.

 

@Phoenix Didn't realize it was interactive. Was just expecting a pm. Would be some time tomorrow afternoon. I'm in CST. Got some work stuff keeping me busy in the morning and not sure for how long.

 

I sent you a PM, it's not interactive but you caught me at the right time

 

Does anyone happen to have a pic of the correct size Thermal pads on the GPU heatsink in the respective spots?

 

It is my pleasure to serve you Sir!

The new Prema BIOS for the EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1 and EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM is now ready.

- Latest Spectre code as recommended by Intel as of 22nd February

- Latest Intel ME code

- Keyboard backlight is now white and the LID LED static

- Fixed 'keyboard initialization delay bug'

- Enhanced throttle removal patches

We will be reaching out to our customers shortly to flash it for you remotely.

 

Sadly, your suggestion did not work.

It's slightly better at 135W now though.
I'll continue playing around with it and report back

 

What about P775TM(1)?

 

Aren't you mixing settings values with what you have in your MSIBOOK? VR Current Limit is divided with 4 for your MSI and 8 for the Clevo?

 

So I did finally manage to get it to use more power. It peaked at about 150W. It's stable at 4.9ghz with a very slight undervolt, but it's uncomfortably hot so I backed it down. The silicon lottery is not my friend it would seem.

 

are you using adaptive or static?

 

I'm using adaptive as of now. Don't really have the time to dial in a static voltage until late Sunday.

 

Very soon.

 

Heres one for the single GPU heatsink....