*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

For the life of me I can't get my cpu package to draw more than 130W. I've increased the VR current limit in the BIOS and that still didn't do anything. Can anybody give me some pointers?

 

When I get back from work after 12 today I'll see what settings I have set , because I cant remember right off. And I'll see what I can do to help you figure it out.

 

according to johnksss theres a bunch of settings not just vr current. however i cant hit mine over 160w for some reason and he could. though i dont have the cooling for anything over that anyway.

 

Could windows possibly be messing with my settings?

 

What power plan are you using ? And what are you using to overclock the CPU?

 

High performance
BIOS+XTU

 

You need to set VR Current Limit to 2400 and Power Limit 1 ane 2 to 250000

Also, check in your taskbar, if you see the CPU Overclocking Tool which usually gets installed with the Clevo Control Center, then that messes up everything.

You will need to uninstall Clevo Control Center and reboot, then run Autoruns64.exe as admin and in the filter, type XTU and uncheck any XTU entries.

Now install Clevo Control Center again, but when you download the zip file, extract it, then right click on OEM.ini and edit the Support XTU Fan Table from 1 to 0 then exit and save

Then only install the Clevo Control Center so it won't install the built in CPU overclocking tool.

 

I'm with @Phoenix on this one. Make sure CCC didn't install xtu. That caused me having to reload my laptop because of it messing up some fan speeds.
But I also use throttle stop for the overclocking.

 

I never installed CCC.

 

Strange things my good man. I'm doing some playing around tonight . Let me see what I can gather for you.

 

I did what you suggested after resetting the BIOS back to optimized defaults. I got no change in behavior. When I have the time I'll try a clean install of Windows and hopefully this clears up.

 

Ok. I have a dumb question.
What kicks off the 2nd GPU fan ? Does SLI have to be enabled for it to work ? Does EC? Or faith ? Lol

 

Ok try these:

– Platform Power Limit 1: 200000
– Platform Power Limit 2: 250000
– VR Current Limit: 900
– Under “Core/IA VR Settings” section > Enable TDC
– TDC Limit: 20000

You also have to keep the Amps below 1024 (256) or it goes out of boundary and makes things worse

 

No, remember the single 1080 card setups that have both fans as standard.

 

Hmm hmm . Then I may need to test the voltage on the header then. Only one is spinning

 

It doesn't turn on when you hit fn+1?

 

I'll try here in a few

 

I'm pretty sure i've asked this one in here, But not entirely sure, I know i didn't get an answer if i had but does someone make an upgraded gpu cooling solution or nah? Also i just ripped mine off my 2 1070s and oh my god the factory paste job was absolutely garbage tier, Just repasting with no name no brand paste dropped temps 7C at load

 

I posed that question but in regards to possibly shimming the GPU. Lol
Do you have the vapor chamber heat sink?

 

All i have is the stock Metabox one, So i don't know if it is or isn't.

 

Is g sync enabled as default?

 

The vapor chamber is a large unit covering both card slots and has heatpipes running over the chamber.

 

I've wondered about this too. "Ole!!!" has been attempting to add a 4th fan inside the chassis to help facilitate better air cooling in the system, although it's still a work in progress at this point.

I bought the Vapor Chamber model, SLI setup, and quite frankly, for what I bought and the price I paid, I expected a WAYYYYYYYY better cooling system in this thing than what it has. At over $4500 freaking bucks, cooling shouldn't even be a remnant thought, ya know? Hell, I had an ASUS G751 that seem to have had better cooling than this beast I have now.

Me personally, I'm going to go over the temps again, and what they would be if I had/do re pasted and added the fujipoly thermal pads. The cooler the better for me. Some people are ok with 85c, but I am not. So I'm willing to have a repad and re paste if it'll help my temps. Currently, that's the only solution I can think of as an answer to your concern though, until "Ole!!!" possibly finds a way for his experiment to work.

 

I'm with you. 85c is to hot .
After a repaste and a repad, and removing a dent from the slave side heatsink, my temps are in the 50s now.
Edited-- made myself out to be a liar. Checked the max temps after some gaming and 68 was my max

 

Mine was

 

Er...well I have to disagree here. Your ASUS G751 didn't have anywhere near the horsepower your EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1 has. The cooling system in your ASUS G751 didn't have nearly as much to cool, and it wouldn't even come close to cooling your EVOC High Performance Systems P870TM1.

Given what is under the hood, there is nothing wrong with 85c. You can't expect to buy a Ferrari and have it run quietly, nor can you expect to buy laptop with an LGA Intel® Core™ i7-7700K CPU overclocked to 4.8GHz on all 4 cores with Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 GPU’s, and expect it to run as cool as a laptop with a BGA Intel® Core™ i7-4710 (max Turbo speed at 3.7GHz) with single nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980M GPU.

 

I wasn't comparing specs at all. I was just referencing the cooling on that laptop. One of the main reasons I bought that laptop back in 2015, was because it had very good cooling capabilities.

Unfortunately, this is where I will have to disagree with you @Donald@HIDevolution . When shelling out that kind of coin for a laptop, I don't think superior cooling is asking for a lot, in relativity. As my previous post stated, 85c might not be a lot to you, but to me it is and that is what matters. The GPU's seem to hold mid to high 70's during gameplay, which I am ok with (still probably going to look into having you guys repad it with fujipoly and repaste it for me though because I like cool temps at the end of the day). But the CPU at 85c is too hot for my liking.

Do you know if the CPU has thermal pads on this model Donald, or no? I think the GPU's do, but I am not sure about the CPU.

 

Maybe we should compare specs... The size. ASUS G751 is around same thickness or better about same size as P870 series Clevo. No in hell it would manage too cool down same hardware as used in P870 series. The hardware would boil or fry within 60 sec in the Asus 751 chassis. Can't compete. Another liga!!

 

Again, let me point out.

" I wasn't comparing specs at all. I was just referencing the cooling on that laptop. One of the main reasons I bought that laptop back in 2015, was because it had very good cooling capabilities."

Not sure how that is a hard concept to grasp. Mind = blown.

 

I'm sure you understand that if you put in a lot more powerful hardware in same size notebook chassis you can't expect it to run cooler (Same for desktop chassis). Laws Of Physics

 

Yeah, no. Has nothing to do with physics. You're trying to take this down a rabbit hole it has no business with.

Things are constantly evolving in the tech world. I feel like they could've designed the cooling system a little better.
I'm not trying to debate or anything. I'm just simply saying I expected a lot better cooling on this system than what it has, that's all. I know I can't be the only one that shares the same thought.

 

Maybe there' something wrong with it?

I used mine for 8 hours solid and didn't hear max fans once.

 

It absolutely does have to do with physics! Size dictates how much radiator volume which along with airflow volume determines the amount of convective heat transfer that can occur. A bigger delta between radiator and air means more heat transfer which dictates the point(s) of thermal equilibrium the whole thing reaches.

The incontrovertible fact that the P870TM is the single most powerful power hungry notebook ever, with the largest heaviest cooling system ever, dictates how its cooling will play out. It keeps its components from throttling so give Clevo credit for designing it properly.

Where they can improve is quality control and the little things like proper thermal pad and paste choice, and heatsink alignment.

In the meantime feel free to underclock it to BGA CPU and 150W 1080 GPU levels of power and it'll be ice cold without the gimmicky undersized watercooling on the GX800 or the truly giant yet still hot P21X.

 

Oh nice! I use the automatic fan profile in the CCC under performance. On idle, no fan noise. On PUBG, the fans will kick up to about medium or so. Destiny 2, they kick up very high.

Is your CPU overclocked at all? Mine was shipped to me at 4.8ghz. That is a good majority of the reason as to why its running in the mid-high 80's.
I'm not oc'ing at all on my gpu's.

 

i dont know if mine is the vapor chamber but i have a solid copper hsf/plate for both 1070s with 2 heatpipes each, i feel as if my gpu cooling is under performing as i hit 75-80C AT MAX FANS with just one gpu at 50% load and both at 90c and throttling when full load at both

 

Turn off the overclock and see how much that helps temps. Then to further decrease temps do a -100mV undervolt and your temps should drop to levels you are comfortable with. You shouldn't notice any difference in games or everyday performance by turning off the overclock.

 

its not overclocked in any part all functions even gpu boost which is a stock feature are set to stock

 

I was referring to @wtjwillis and his high CPU temps

 

No oc just a small undervolt but I even set that back to stock as I didn't see any high temps only when benching but gaming the worse I've seen is 68c in destiny 2.

 

Does throttlestop override any voltage changes in the bios?

 

Nobody uses thermal pads on CPUs. Thats ridiculous and just not how that works at all. Thermal pads are for spanning gaps. There are no gaps under the heat spreader for the CPU unless you take a hacksaw to it like some people do.

If your CPU temps are that high while gaming you must not have the fans on HIGH. Do you not have the fans all the way up while doing CPU intensive tasks?

I've never gotten my CPU much over 70 no matter what I do when the fans are all the way up and my CPU is clocked over 5ghz. Something doesnt sound right.

 

Bios voltage will apply after reboot/new Windows startup and TS ain’t put up as scheduled task. TS Voltage settings won’t stick in bios. Only on OS level.

 

But I have TS set as a startup task is why I was asking. Say if I set a -100 in bios. Then -20 in throttlestop, which voltage remains ? -100? -20? Or -120? Lol

 

I mean your tweaked Voltage in Bios will automatically be seen in ThrottleStop FIVR windows first time you launch TS.
You could of course control it if you uncheck TS task in Autoruns.exe or deactivate TS in task scheduler. Manual start TS after new Windows startup and follow what voltage you run in bench etc.
Edit. (Test with and without TS running).

 

Test it yourself and then tell us.
Most likely, -20.
Throttlestop if set for default voltage will ignore all changes and use the "current" voltage, which in this case was last set by the Bios. So "Default V" showing in Throttlestop will be using -100mv, not the default bios voltage. It simply means TS Is not even using voltage changes to begin with.

Setting -20 in throttlestop will use -20, because it is a change of the old offset, which was -100.. Do you know how adaptive voltage works? Using adaptive offset works on setting offsets from the default VID of the CPU, then that becomes the "new" VID. With static voltages, the static voltage becomes (close) to the new VID. IA AC DC loadline affects this in some ways but I'm not getting into that. You can mess with that setting yourself if you want to see how it works. Just don't EVER go anywhere near the upper ranges, EVER. A value of 4 mOhms already (400) will turn 1.3v of voltage into over 1.45v (maybe 1.5v).
-20.

 

Maybe I should have been more specific on my question. I am very competent with the voltage handling . I should have just asked "off the top of anyone's head does ts override bios voltages" as I was discussing a voltage issue with someone .

 

Yes it does detect the currently set bios voltage. They are set via MSR's, afaik. You can ask unclewebb. Whenever I set a static voltage and load windows, Throttlestop shows the voltage I set.

 

Sorry to trouble You but how could I check? I've had a look through Nvidia control centre and don't see any options for it.

 

The CPU heatsink has pads for the VRMs and inductors. that sit above the socket, on the older system it had a pad across the top to connect to the GPU heatsink too but yours wont.

 

As stated by Meaker, yours won't have the bridge part that sits within the other sink. Here is what we are talking about.