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Lol - I think he was referring to my comment that I like to keep laptops in sleeves even when in backpacks, so that if I have to get something out of the backpack in a public area with unsavory characters, no one will see what I've got in the bag. The point was these machines are so different looking, the would-be thieves might not even want it, not knowing what it is!

 

i remember when i took out my xps m2010, it was gold

 

Does anyone have any experience with the external Gpu encloseures , and which one would work with our tm1-g's ? And would it be possible to feed the image back on to the screen instead of using another monitor?

 

Exactly, they may just think big and old.

 

I don't have an answer, but I am wondering too on these - is the only option the really expensive Razer Core? I've seen some hacks where people run a cable out from the motherboard, not even sure what laptops those were exactly. And Razer Core - I don't know for sure, maybe it's fixed, but weren't people getting unusable frame rates when looping back to the internal display? (like less than 50% of what they'd get on an external monitor - making it pointless) At the price of the Razer Core though, an updated MXM card would be more appetizing at that point, if they update them keeping the same format and make those backwards-compatible.

 

Did a bit of research over night on this. And there are several options for this it seems. But it also looks like the higher the performance of the GPU used in the enclosure, the worse performance due to the lack of bandwidth provided by the connection. I did find where it's possible to use a m.2 slot but that requires leaving a cable out of the chassis of the laptop.

 

The internal 1070/1080 is going to spank any GPU in an enclosure.

 

That's what I was thinking...

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That's why you have not seen people running it, it's expensive and gives worse performance. It's mostly for thin and lights with no GPU so they can get 1060 level performance at home.

 

Unless of course that external enclosure is an Alienware Amplifier:

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12381629/3dm11/11880022/3dm11/12349715/3dm11/10743618

I think their solution isn't too bad and not too far off from desktop card performance with internal display. With external display I was getting within 5% of desktop performance.

Internal 1080 SLI is the best still though of course.

 

A 16x connection and full performance would be best if going proprietary with a mux switch if you want to be fancy.

 

that kinda takes the mobility away doesnt it. and no battery

 

Does the km1 Mobo even have a x16 lane ? Lol . Was seriously pondering the m.2 pcie lane route. Making a compartment that holds the cable wouldn't be to hard.

 

It has 2x 8 lanes.

Again external does not make sense still.

 

T minus 4 days until 9900k boys. we'll soon see if this is just another 14nm++ or 14nm++ and half rofl

 

We know its soldered 14nm++ at least which will help most people.

 

Do we know if a BIOS will be released that supports the 9900K? Mine should be here Monday. I'm geeked!

 

Can we expect a jump in performance in games with this processor compared to the 8700k?

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Depends on how multi-threaded the game is, and how CPU-bound you currently are.

 

Game dependant but if you have a frequency advantage then you would expect it kn a few titles, gpunbound settings wont gain much of course.

 

Well, just a few games I have go as high as peak 100% cpu usage. Watchdogs 2, and GTA 5. Though I'll be interested also to know if the new 9900k runs cooler.. that would be great news

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what im more interested in is how well its binned. a +2 binn would be real nice, im expecting +1 at most vs 8700k 8086k tho.

also looking forward to see what kind of cpu heatsink will come out of clevo.. they might just choose to use the same one, which sucks.

 

It will produce more heat due to the higher power consumption of more cores. However a soldered IHS will be close to delid results in temperatures.

 

The current one runs my 8086k at 5ghz all day long.

 

I may be missing the obvious here but I have a Thunderbolt USB type C to DisplayPort cable and am trying to hook my sager up to my monitor. No matter what settings I try I can’t get the laptop to show anything on the monitor. I have tried DDI settings in the BIOS and changing thundebolt security to mDP only, but nothing. The strange thing is, the laptop detects something being plugged in, but I can’t find anything in device manager.

My hunch is that since thunderbolt is an intel technology, it won’t run off of the 1080’s inside the laptop, and therefor won’t display an image. Am I correct in thinking I just need to cut my losses and get a mDP to DP cable? Or am I missing something that will make it work?

 

No, you should direct the ports in the BIOS to the thunderbolt (one or both, stick with both to test) if this does not work then the cable/adaptor is at fault.

 

I have 2 DDI set to TBT and it still doesn’t work

So the 1080sli should be able to output a display over the thunderbolt port?

 

Would you believe a simple unplug and plug back in on the monitor side fixed it? XD thanks for your help

 

Yes, this was the shipping config, the feature would not be there otherwise.

The old "have you tried turning it off and on again?" perhaps clean out the port/cable, there may be some dust.

 

I'm trying to figure out how I'm seeing delidded pics of the 9900k, but it's soldered. Last time I saw a soldered IHS to die CPU delidding before this series, it was a catastrophic failure.
*Edit*.
Found this in my news feed
https://www.pcbuildersclub.com/en/2...i9-9900k-results-in-much-better-temperatures/

 

So is the 9900k flagship going to run very hot even with delidding? This would be a deal breaker. The 2080 is already going to be a dealbreaker . So just wondering if buying the previous gen for both CPU and GPU is the way to go now after waiting for so long. But will have to wait for more reports.

Where would I keep track of the new clevo chassis coming with these modifications though ? Are there any nbr forums or threads explicitly for such news? Please let me know the forums where I can keep track of such.

 

You can delid the soldered chips too, even without heat if you are careful and use a delid tool to fatigue the solder.

 

Probably been posted elsewhere, but in reference to @varunreeves question:

 

I saw the video but what exactly is the takeaway you wanted me to have ? Is it that the 9900k is a bad choice if I want have a cool system and I should stick with 8700k or 8086K with a little less capability of OC for cores ? Or is it something else ? Do lemme know !

 

You can delid and replace the soldered TIM with liquid metal, but the design of the chip itself (about 2x the thickness of the 8700k die) will hold in heat. This chip is a mixed bag. Intel responded to end users regarding delidding by making the chip run hotter. Overclocking this thing out of the box as is in the constrained space of a laptop will present a challenge for those of us below the arctic circle. Makes me wonder if Kingpin himself designed this chip for EOCs - seems to overclock quite well under LN2.

 

This machine is starting to become more of a hassle than it is a benefit, I keep getting bluescreens related to the synaptics driver even when the mousepad is disabled, And i cannot seem to find for the life of me the actual latest versions of the control center so it ACTUALLY WORKS, Half the time i get .net exception handled errors, And the other half the time when i find a version that works all the options and text is replaced with the word "Null", you would think after forking out 4500 australian dollars (Which is literally 10% of my yearly income) that it would work flawlessly, Not metabox, Nor clevo make it easy to get a hold of the latest ANYTHINGS for this.

 

well, if you paid that much and u don't want to mess anymore - get OBSIDIAN TOOLS stuff. They replaced everything from clevo by their own stuff - u will have to pay extra few dolars to get life time license but after that u will forget about all software related problems. I had blue screen's too related to synaptics. Someone posted solution here that worked but well - u will need to mess up with regedit and stuff.

Conclusion - get obsidian tools software and forget about clevo slopppy stuff

 

I paid that much because i wanted the best of the best, And hardware wise i got it, Throw me a link to both the solution and the tools mate !

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-drivers-update-utility-by-obsidian-pc.801464/

I only ever had a couple syntp.sys bsods but zero since I ran the old Obsidian Tool updater way back when it was free.

Metabox should be able to help? I've had good service from them whenever I've contacted them

 

Metabox are a pain in the ass to deal with, They take MONTHS to get parts for warranty jobs, And they charge for bios updates, I had to PAY to get the prema bios, something i was able to download and install myself on my previous unit.

 

No, these systems do let you tune exactly what you are after, you can play with voltage and power to get the end result you want. Under light loads you certainly wont see the higher power figures.

 

Umm that wasn't my question though. I know that under light loads any system would work fine. I was asking that if I had an 8700K/8086K and a 9900K, both undergoing the same delidding+other stuff, and wanted each to run at 5Ghz in a clevo then is 8700K a better choice or can 9900K be handled? From the video it seems that 9900K is a bad choice due to high heat so I should stick with the older one.

 

I could understand the IHS issue, and or the DIE size itself and yes the core count as well. BUT, if swapping to liquid metal alone WITHOUT sanding down the ihs nets better than Intel's solder, something is ucked fup.
Not to mention even running it at 5ghz doesn't warrant an upgrade from a 8700k or 8086k. But given it's larger die size , that might make a bare die to heatsink easier .
Once my few get here I plan on trying a custom IHS, if I decide to receive the couple I was asked to test. And given I do not have a factory CPU heatsink anylonger I don't know how well it's going to work out. Whoever gets thiers first can you do me a solid and measure the thickness of the IHS? And the substrate layer ? @Meaker@Sager you will probably get yours first lol.

 

When you guys say runing at 5 GHz , you mean all cores running at 5 GHz at the same time or just for one core? I think our P870TM can't handle more than 4,3 GHz and keep under 85°c.4,3 GHz on all cores That's easy 120W at 100% load. For 5 GHz an all cores you'll be near 200W on CPU which can't be cooled down

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This is a very astute observation. Saw the following video this morning:



Not only is cooling a problem with the 9900K, but also finding a motherboard having the VRMs to keep it from power limiting throttling. Interesting soap opera between LTT and others. All results are correctly performed. But, the results are skewed depending on the selected motherboard. At 5 ghz all cores, the 9900k wants to push 200 watts. This corresponds to the high temps seen by some of the bloggers. Cooler temps seen by LTT and others are the result of power limit throttling. Instead of getting the advertised 4.7 all cores, one would get 4.2 all cores.

 

Not upgrading this time. 8086k at 5GHz all day long does everything very well.

 

Well what is the advice for me, seeing that a lot of you might not be going for an upgrade. Did I wait like 3 months for nothing ? What should I do? Should I completely shun the idea of buying a laptop and do it next year then ?

 

Wait until right after Christmas to see if anything will be announced for the Clevos.
Ask yourself: does your life depend on buying a laptop RIGHT NOW?

 

What do mean by right now ? Is right now = After chrismas this year or did you mean like within the next 5 - 10 days ? As to a laptop if I sell the current one then I will have nothing with me ! I am hoping to sell this by the year end tentatively !

 

I think @Mr. Fox ’s advice is really sound here - put your money towards a desktop. You will get your money’s worth and be more control of design constraints you otherwise would be paying top dollar to accept. I plan to buy one of these Clevo bad boys, but my expectations are focused on what I would need out of a laptop and not a DTR.