*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

Remember the 330w brick was intended for 980 (200w graphics) and 6700/7700K. Weaker Cpu but the older graphics wasn't equal crippled in power consumption as today's Turing cards. As well the old MSI GT80 with Sli I think used single 330w psu.

 

It has served me well so far, I only use a single 330w w/ 9900k at 4.8 and a powermodded 1080. I'm actually curious in how much it pulls from the wall with this setup.

 

Just to update you all. I've been running the 4th fan for 7 months now with daily use. No issues what so ever. The guy who burned his MB was a different user. Never got to the bottom of what happened. . .

 

Currently only a slight one (50-47), but she’s doing weird stuff. I’ve got PL 1 and 2 at 250k and TDC limit at 20,000 as per I think it was Phoenix? suggestion, which worked not bad with my 8086k, but currently it initially runs fine, but after 2hrs gaming I find its been throttling the whole time with current limit. I’m just trying to figure out if I’ve missed something. I haven’t had time to go through some of mr. Fox’s videos but that will likely be my next port of call...last time it did this it was because of sleep mode...

 

Also I assume this has been posted before, but I stumbled across this:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alien...outgunned-by-a-couple-of-Clevos.419244.0.html

 

I can't remember whether he just plugged the 4pin without rewiring it. I've had mine for a good 6 weeks so far.

 

Whats the VR limit set to in the bios?

 

900 as per Phoenix suggestion...

It may be a random thing I changed and then changed back. I will further investigate...

 

I've had similar figures too.

 

What undervolt/override are you running on the 9900k?

 

@jc_denton

-130
Would that be an issue?

So far I’ve followed some of mr fox’s Settings but his settings are for Prema bios for a start, let alone different hardware, plus different approach to OCing in my opinion (more hardcore), and I’ve managed to a) get worse results b)hang my system and reset to defaults...

I’ve learnt stuff and are more familiar with the bios though, so I guess that’s winning...

 

Ah I see, so this is stock "unlocked" bios? I had similar problems on my p775tm1 with stock firmware/bios, it would not allow me more than around 4.8ghz with the 9900k. Even with all the settings maxed out.

Stock bios/firmware is truly cancer, it will throttle and it will hinder you in pushing the chassis limits.

My advice would be try to set an all core to x47 - x44 cache, test your undervolt. If it's not throttling in your games push it to x48. See where the hidden upper limit with the "unlocked" bios is.

 

It’s eurocoms ‘unlocked’ bios, yes. I’ll have a play and see where I get...

Right, turns out it was just XTU. I could have done with reinstalling it after throwing a new mobo CPU and RAM at it. Throttlestop shows no signs of throttle or downclock...can hit 5.0 across all cores no problem...

 

Helllo.
I have an empty mxm slot in my laptop, has anybody seen a video capture card for this slot or any other suggestion of what I should put in there.
Thanks

 

What card do you have as the primary GPU? You could get a matching card for SLI perhaps.

 

Rtx 2080

 

Hello. So I spoke to support today since my SAGER 9877 is getting repaired, and apparently it is not possible to upgrade past the GTX 1080... does this seem true for everyone?

 

"Y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶a̶ ̶m̶a̶t̶c̶h̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶S̶L̶I̶ ̶p̶e̶r̶h̶a̶p̶s̶.̶"

Well there goes that.

I haven¨t seen an MXM capture card out there. 2080 is pretty much cream of the crop, would be a shame to hamper it by sharing the vapor chamber with something else.

 

What retailer was that? And is your system equipped with the vapor chamber?

 

It’s www.sagernotebook.com

I’m not too sure to be honest. The current specs that I know of are:

 

Yes this is with vapor chamber, and I don't think that I need to cut it, there is a lot of Free space

 

Perhaps @Meaker@Sager can weight in on this.

 

There is no official support for an RTX card on the model.

 

Thank you for clearing that up. What about the GTX 1080Ti?

 

Yes and no, there isn´t a 1080TI MXM module. You could run 1080TI desktop card setup through the thunderbolt port, but at x4 pci-e afaik.

 

This is card not have mxm version

 

Thank you all for helping this newb out .

 

Figured I'd share this here. . . .

I noticed there was a lot of wasted air being blown over the top of the radiators on the vapor chamber heatsinks due to the height of the fan being greater than the radiator stack.

I decided to try and take advantage of this by adding fins to the tops of the radiators. I figured the best way to do this was to fine copper radiator stacks that were close to the correct size and then trim and grind them down. Unfortunately, the clearance with the bottom cover drastically limited the dimensions of the new fins.

I first attempted to attach the new stacks with solder. I was successful, but the amount of heat required (the vapor chamber sinks a ton of heat) ended up warping the heatsinks, making it useless.

The second attempt with a new heatsink was with Arctic Alumina two part thermal epoxy. It worked very well. I also taped over the tops of the new heatsinks to fully enclose the areas where I had to trim the fins (not shown). Results are shown below:





While I did this mod, I also repasted with Conductonaut liquid metal (previously using liquid Ultra) and also removed the metal grates from the base and rear of the bottom lid, so I dont have a direct delta for how much the heatsinks alone affected temperatures.

Locked at 0.975 volts running at 1936mhz and a 255 watt TDP per card, temps have improved at full load by about 7C. I used to be bouncing off the thermal throttling point at 93C, but now peak in the mid 80's.

 

Hi Guys,
The 870tm1-g supports the 2080 card by default? I know that the heatsink needs to be modified, but also bios or vbios mod is needed? thank you

 

Not by default, I believe it needs a custom BIOS.

 

Sound Board overheating problem - final thoughts

As some of you might remember - i had problems with extremely hot soundboard. Coudlnt diagnose it by myself with following steps - different bioses, stock bios, different software etc. Nothing worked. Than i left my machine in hands of "professionals". They couldnt tell what is problem. So last step for me was to order brand new Sound board and check if it would fix issue.

Unfortunately it is same - or worse. Hard to say. I guess i will have to live with it to the point when it decides to die. At this point i leaning that it might be motherboard problem. I found few topics that this issue was noticed in various laptops - asus, alienware etc.

Writing this to let possible future victims be aware that there is no point in swapping sound board.

PS. posted in P870TM-R by mistake
PS2. if anyone have any other ideas - feel free to share

 

Thx for your answer! How could i get this bios and vbios? Thank you!

 

Not vbios, just bios and nothing is publically available.

There has not been a lot of demand due to the low difference in performance compared to the 1080.

 

Indeed. They have limited the clock speeds to the point there is no meaningful performance benefit to owning a mobile RTX 2080 versus mobile GTX 1080 unless you are living in the dream world that suggests that you need the Ray Tracing and DLSS features. (You might actually need them some day, after the RTX 20 series is obsolete.)

 

Yea, i was looking at benchmarks of mobile 2080s and 1080s the difference in games is between 10 to 15 fps. I don't think that's worth the upgrade price. Though the 1080 is starting to show it's age.

 

The only way the 2080 *might* be worth it is if you're playing at 1440p or for some weird reason playing at 4K. The GDDR6 will help at higher resolutions. You can probably approach that performance level or even exceed it with an OC'd 1080 though, so its still pretty pointless unless you don't like the idea of running an OC 24/7.

 

It's a fine card for a new machine but very hard to justify given the cost to upgrade from a 1080. Even for someone like me.

 

Well I can't even overclock my laptop 1080 past 1848 even if I wanted too. The heat is crazy.

 

My 2080 smokes either one of my 1080s lol.
I need to part ways with those 2 1080s come to think of it.

 

Beats it yes but at what cost for the gain?

 

$1600 for a MXM2080 is just crazy. I might as well get a 2080Ti and build a proper PC.

 

Very cool mod! And nice results too, 7c is a solid success. I just taped off the parts where air was bleeding
That gave around 3-4c. Haven't experienced any problems so far.

 

It is a proper PC

 

Yea it is, but i mean a full power desktop.

 

780w PSU , the 9900k and 32gb of 3200mhz memory's lol. It's definitely a full power desktop.
@Meaker@Sager it was worth it for the temps alone . Single T heatsink , Better and more consistent fps, less GPU usage resulting in better temps. I may have lost the gsync. But @1440p 120hz/120fps with no were near as much heat with now where near the power draw as the 1080 .
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/19706174.
GPU locked at 900mv. And no overclock on the cpu. Just a -121.5 offset. And temps are great. But I also didn't pay 1600 for the card either lol.

 

Lol that’s really not much better than an overclocked 1080N 190W, like less than 5%, let alone two of them.

 

If I wanted to pounce all over performance numbers and bring up the fact you toss in overclocking 1080s Vs an Undervolted , boost limited 2080 . I would have linked one of my overclocked scores. If I can run my same games at 120fps @1440p with less effort/power/heat etc, that is definitely much better. Especially given the price of two 1080s. Less stress on the system as whole appeals more to me . You enjoy your 1080s . And I'll enjoy my 2080 without my laptop sounding like a Fast and the Furious drag race on my desk.

 

I game with headphones anyway bro. Just that when you said your 2080 smokes your 1080, I expected a somewhat more sizable advantage.

 

While I can’t speak for the owners of the scores in this article, here are some overclocked 2080 scores for you:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Alien...outgunned-by-a-couple-of-Clevos.419244.0.html

As for being worth it, I believe it depends on what you are upgrading from, and also whether you feel unhappy with pretty much amazing performance anyway without upgrading. Value is in the eye of the beholder after all...

 

If it wasn't so expensive to upgrade I would probably, but it is.