*** Official Sager NP9877 / Clevo P870TM-G Owner's Lounge! - Phoenix 4 ***

No drivers are perfect but what makes a difference is how fast those issues are identified and fixed.

 

Performance consistency is also something to keep in mind with new drivers, newer isn't always better.

 

Quick question. I have a M.2 SSD in one slot and 2 standard HD in the Sata slots. I want to put another M.2 SSD in, will I be able to use it without removing the other hard drives?

 

Yes

 

The new 30x0 mxm cards have wider x-bracket for mounting, making them incompatible with all current heatsinks. The T-shape heatsinks and non-vc parts should be moddable. But there is no way of adding wider spacing for the P870 vapor chamber, so solving that might be a pain.

Anyone planning on that upgrade path with their P870?

 

Depends on the costs involved really.

 

I expect nothing less than ludicrous MXM prices as always.

 

With the current chip shortages it's going to be more about supply.

 

I wonder if they will be more available than the 2080S MXMs, lol.

 

Any GPU is interesting at the moment.

 

Good thing GTX1080 has been a champ so far.

 

After a LM repaste my 1080 still runs most new games at 1080p high settings smoothly enough until gpu prices drop / or the next gen in 2022 arrives.

 

I recently have had a hankering to go further on from my P870DMGs 6700k and MSI 1070, it's been great so far but playing games like MSFS in VR and Cyberpunk have shown its age.

I've just ordered a second hand but little use P870TM1 which I'll move every thing over to except the CPU and RAM. I'll then use the DMG as my test bench for things like BIOS changes and general mucking about. I'm keen to get the TM1 up to 9900K and 2080 functionality and have the DMG reunited with it's 1070 at some point.

I'm a marine electrician and just about to move into the world of marine AV/IT with my new job so the portability mixed with the ability of the P870 has made me choose this upgrade path. I almost went for the P750 (edit: meant X170, currently on Ebay) but the fact I couldn't bring over my HDD and SSD put me off as there is A LOT of history and files on them.

It's not had a huge amount of usage and comes with all original packaging. It is originally a PC Specialist supplied unit so doesn't come with a Prema Bios but a Coffee lake refresh will help me. I'll just practice on the DMG first!

 

Why could the p750 not take the HDD and SSD?

 

Does it not have only 3 M.2 slots?

 

My bad, I was looking at an X170SM-G, would explain the confusion

Edit: the X170SMG is a 2080 ready laptop with 10 series CPU, have I made a mistake!?!

 

The x170 is the successor to the p870tm.

 

You mean successor to the P775.

 

Roger dodger,
I'll stick with the TM1, I'm hoping some BIOS will come out at some point for the 30 series card.

I've already ordered the 9900K to go in, I'm keeping an eye on a 2070 at the moment, if no 2080s come up in the next few weeks I may just get that for now. Do Sager have stock of any 20 series cards?

 

The thing is that the core mounts have changed a bit so you are looking at needing an adapted heatsink for them as well as a BIOS mod.

 

Changing the heat sink is something I am comfortable with. I have access to copper sheet and have seen the heat sink mods done before. I have actually already modified the DMGs heat sink for the 1070. I have access to a small mill, copper and multiple ways to stick bits of copper together.

I can feel you are trying to say, "yes, you should have gone for the X170, you clown!"

It's a bit annoying as I was looking on ebay for my next Clevo, saw the TM1, thought excellent, I'll buy that, it's a good upgrade. Paid for it, went to my watch list and the X170 was still sat there for sale, and has been for months, for only £60 more, I thought then that I had made a mistake but can't really go back on it. Oh well!

 

What heatsink have you got with it?

 

The 30x0 cards should be pretty much PlugnPlay. Apart from you will need to mod the nvidia driver to use it and have modded the heatsink to be compatible.

 

Modifying drivers is fine by me, I'm doing that at the moment for my GT72 1070 in the DMG.

I did actually have a go at updating the BIOS last night for my DMG and now I get nothing, glad I practiced on the DMG first!

The heats sink is the TM1-G version so single flat panel for 2 GPUs.

 

A strange find on Ebay....
This has a picture of a 2080 but lists it as a 2070, I'm not sure what getting parts quickly to the UK is like from Finland but it's worth a go. I wouldn't be upset if a 2070 turned up at that price but if it was a 2080 I'd be over the moon.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Clevo-P7...548888?hash=item3db483e958:g:cG8AAOSwTpleF9cM

 

That looks like the 2070 (notice the fewer power stages and inductors compared to the 2080 mxm)

 

@TheLuddite @jc_denton It's also an N18E-G 2 which designates a 2070.
G3 is a 2080 and G1 is a 2060.

 

Yep, listed correctly.

 

Gotcha, I was just looking at the modules on the bottom right.

At least the crazy GPU pricing hasn't hit the MXM market!

 

Haha, that’s because MXM card pricing has always been crazy high.

 

Yeah, if they increased the prices further they would burn in with them. And No miners go after those

 

@Papusan that's because they can only one in a system - But MXM 3.0, there ARE mining rigs with a half dozen cards per unit!

 

Miners go after the full package. Buy loads of Joke-books with Ampere. Use them and then sell them almost as new afterwards http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scale-on-laptops.834039/page-91#post-11076446

 

I was looking at an MXM to PCIE adapter to give a friend my 980m for his PC. No video output without some know how but you could definitely use it for mining.

 

They are mostly for development so are not too common.

 

Got home to find my TM1 has arrived, I didn't think about the GT72 being a completely different card from the normal cards :doh: hence my username! The card works and so does the laptop, I just can't cool it with the heatsink from the DMG or the TM1.

Anyway, I just flashed into the BIOS and the 9900k was recognised and it also had options for OCing, I think I can safely assume its ready for a 2070 BIOS wise?

 

If it's modified for the cards and CPUs then yes.

 

Excellent, thank you, saves me screwing up a BIOS update on another laptop!

 

Everyone needs a good door stop of course ;p

 

Sorry for more questions with this, will the TM1 run on a GPU that doesn't require a powered card like a 980m? Will a 9900k require a pin mod to run on this too?

Both show up in BIOS but I can't get past the BIOS screen, might have bought another door stop!

Update: Windows boot Manager shows up on BIOS for the SSD, CPU runs and warms up but no display. It then shuts down after a few minutes. I'm going to assume GPU incompatibility...

I moved over my 6700k from the DMG and it wouldn't even boot on that, weirdly!

 

P870TM1 should only require a bios update to run 9th gen CPUs. Did you try a nvram reset? Or pulling the power, internal battery and cmos battery then holding power button for 30s? Not so sure about the 980M, it might expect a 10x0 card.

 

I'll give them a go, I got fed up and gave up before I got to them!

I've got the MSI GT72 1070 which doesn't have the power connector at the end, I'll be buying a 2070 when I get back to the states on Thursday. I flew home to the UK for 4 days

 

6700K doesn’t work in TM1 without a Prema custom bios. Follow Dentons advice above.

 

Thats good, that makes me feel better about it. I'll go through that all and see how it goes!

 

The Z370 only officially supports 8th and 9th gen CPUs.

 

It's OK, I've chilled out and I'm going to wait till I've got all the correct parts

 

Now you have time to go down the rabbit hole of P870 mods

 

The 8th gen is a nice step up particularly anyway.

 

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Massively, especially with what I'm trying to do with VR, MSFS loves to chew through CPU and RAM so any improvement on that is a step up.

I'm carrying both of my P870s through the airports today on the way to work funnily enough, the DMG to fix the BIOS while at work and the TM1 to order a GPU.
TSA agent said, wow that's big, as I pulled out the second one his eyes just said "WTF?!?"

 

Should have seen their face with the p570wm lol.