How long until a Haswell Series 7 Chronos?

Just awesome. That ticks all my boxes. Even a thunderbolt option. Care to match Sammy, get a little bidding war on?

 

Some people here may be interested to Sony's fresh line VAIO Fit Multi Flip.
Depending your taste, they destroy the now aged ATIV Book 8 by far.

Briefly discussing the new Sony VAIO Flip 15'' which is in the same category and competes with the (phantom of) ATIV Book 8.

Positives:
-Stunning IPS Touch display with 1080p or 2880x1620 resolution, with BRAVIA technologies for cleaner images and sharper colors, I have to admit, it looks amazing in the various hands-on video previews
-Unique Sony design offering full hybrid, transforms to tablet mode, viewer etc. without compromising the original laptop form factor
-Hybrid 1TB HDD or up to 512 SSD option out of the box
-up to 16GB RAM option out of the box
-Keyboard and the new Trackpad, already got positive reviews from the prototype models displayed at IFA 2013
-According to Sony the speakers will offer high quality Audio
-NFC also included
-Optional digital PEN
-Full aluminum body available in both Silver and gorgeous Black/Gun Metal colors (Pink option also confirmed for the US Market)

Questioned Specs:
-Even thought Sony confirmed a variety of CPU options, with Intel Haswell i3, i5 and i7, however they didn't clarify the specific models and its rumored they will go with the Ultra Voltage line. (negative aspect for me if true)
-NVIDIA Graphics card with 2GB RAM also confirmed but is also rumored that the GeForce 735M will be the higher option. (Also a negative aspect for me if true)

Available this fall, probably along the release of Windows 8.1.
I am personally waiting for the full specs, if they offer regular i7 Haswell processors and options for either NVIDIA 740M/750M for their customizable models, then its a huge GO from me.

 

They didn't talk about battery times... I hope they are not as bad as the Vaio Fit ones...

 

Well... If rumors are true how can you say it destroys Ativ Book 8? ULV CPU and inferior GPU seem a huge drawback to me... Unless you're searching for an ultrabook, which Ativ Book 8 clearly isn't

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Its obvious it will not.
As I wrote into the Sony Forum, if they release a VAIO with 2880X1620 resolution, 512SSD, 16GB RAM, Aluminum body and all the other good stuff, with estimated price range of $1500-$2000 and somehow they manage to just offer ultra low voltage i7 CPU and NVIDIA 735M as the only GPU, then, they have done nothing more than a hole in the water. At least for the 15'' model, it will be dead on arrival.

 

You're comparing two different classes of notebooks. Maybe it's the same "category" for you because of their 15" screens and premium builds, but otherwise, one is built to be a hybrid, the other is a mobile powerhouse. I'll also wager the price points will differ.

In the meantime, maybe we should stick with comparing apples to apples here.

 

I am sorry but I do not see your point. If the VAIO comes with regular i7 and NVIDIA 750M (or something in that scale), along with SSD and 16GB RAM out of the box in combination with the qHD Touch display, then what it is, if not a powerhouse?
It will be a super high-end Touch laptop in an ultrabook style. Exactly what the ATIV Book 8 is.
Its a hybrid yes, but in a way that does not compromising the original form-factor, it is even have a switch for it, if you do not want the hybrid you never touch that switch.

I just posted this to this thread, as an interesting, newly released alternative and the only reason I did it is because many people are waiting for Haswell based ATIV Book 8, or looking for the non-existing AMD 8870 version of Chronos in the USA.

I myself posted to my original post above, that if the VAIO end up with only ULV CPU and NVIDIA 735M as its GPU then it will be a joke...

At the same time, it is not hurting people to know alternative options of newly introduced laptops.
This is Haswell speculation thread for the ATIV Book 8 after all, which right now only exist to our imagination. Until Samsung wakes up at least...

Turning this into a VS discussion against the VAIO and the ATIV is the last thing I want.

 

This is indeed a speculation thread, so you guys have wide latitude. Just promise me, please, to keep the discussion civilized and respectful. There are no problems yet, I'm just trying to preempt

 

Yes thank you for your insight, it was an interesting post, I guess it was useful for a lot of others readers of this thread. Keep us updated if you know more about the cpu and gpu

 

I have also considered Sony Flip 15, specially because touch interface could be really used in tablet mode, but unfortunately GT735m will be surely the max GPU (it's slightly under the GT640m), and i7 doesn't mean quad core.
Moreover Sony is known to be not so economic, also while 13 and 14 will be launched in autumn the 15.6 will be launched further.
I'm curious to see a comparison between TRILUMINOS display used by Sony and MVA display used by Samsung Ativ Book 8.

 

The Vaio is a different kind of device from the ATIV Book 8. It cannot be an alternative to the ATIV Book 8 if it doesn't have the same or better CPU and GPU. The Vaio Flip is actually a direct competitor to Samsung's ATIV Q that's also a convertible with a flip mechanism like the Flip along with a ULV CPU, not the line of notebooks.

Sorry, but it's not. Sources confirm the Vaio only gets a ULV CPU thats only a dual-core and a GT 735m. http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/laptop/3467504/sony-vaio-fit-multi-flip-pc-hands-on-review/

It's not a joke. All convertibles only have a dual-core CPU and a low-end GPU.
There are quite a few alternatives to the ATIV Book 8, but this isn't one of them.

 

There are? I am currently looking for one - I'm not aware of anything that fully resembles it. No compromise in battery life, screen quality, quadcore CPU, GPU, build quality, and not too heavy?

What I've looked at: Thinkpads, everything from Sony - GPU too weak.
Asus: Whether N550 or UX51, battery life too weak.
Acer: Doesn't really offer anything comparable
Razer: TN low res screen
HP: Envy15 - battery life weak
Dell: MAYBE the m3800 can compete, but likely the GPU will be too weak.

So at the moment I'm just waiting for Samsung to release a Haswell refreshed version, as I won't buy outdated tech for top dollar.

 

Maybe the new gigabyte P35k or P34g? If they ever get released.

 

New competitor, new Dell Inspiron with touch, Haswell, GT750m, but no quad core CPU:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/del...-inspiron-7537-7737-touch-haswell-gt750m.html

 

Inspirons can no longer compete ever since they switched their Inspiron line to ULV processors. Only their XPS line can come close.

 

Haswell will come with the letter G (NP880Z5G)

 

Logically, yes, but we can never be sure. Some versions of the X3D were given a Sandy Bridge CPU while the NP905S3G has an AMD CPU.

John

 

Usually Jako supplies specific info about code name of notebooks, so I think that he has some reliable source.

HP has just presented the first notebook with integrated leap motion sensor, it is a special version of HP envy 17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWlX2yxcmHo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Is there any way to confirm what this person wrote? They may be coming out with a Haswell refresh in October he says.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/wha...ullhd-haswell-pc-laptop-more-info-inside.html


Hopefully if they do, they don't gimp the battery like so many other companies are doing.

 

I'd say it looks legit, though what flies in Slovenia may not land in the U.S. at the same time!



-Matt

 

Dell made the surprise today with the new XPS 15:
-15.6'' TouchScreen at 3200 x 1800
-512SSD out of the box or 1TB HDD with 32GBSSD
-i5/i7 Haswell configurations
-16GB RAM out of the box
-NVIDIA 750M
-4.4 pounds, 18 mm thin package

Dell's new XPS 15 aims to be the king of portable Windows machines | The Verge

 

Looks pretty good. Wish they kept a slot-load bluray so it could be a desktop replacement. Also need a dock with 4k support.

 

And why no separate navigation keys on the right side? It's not as if they were short of space.

John

 

It does look good, but it will be very expensive and no number pad? Really? On a 15" laptop?

 

unfortunately Dell will sell two versions, one with a gimped 61 Whr battery, and only the most expensive one with a Ativ-like 91 Whr one. The top configuration (that's the one with the SSD) will probably cost around 3k, give or take. Anything below that and you get 30 Whr less battery. A Haswell Ativ 8 would still be better in my opinion (if money is of consideration).

 

I have just read that new XPS 15 starts from 1500$, so it's pretty sure that it's referred to i5 CPU + 1TB HDD, so the right version could have an outrageous price.
If Dell has not radically changed cooling system from the previous L512x even this new model could be considered garbage.
Also I would have preferred that they had also updated the keyboard with a number pad.

I hope that Samsung in addition to updating CPU will consider the option to update display with IGZO display, even if I don't know if a 3200X1800 display will be good to visualize video at 1920X1080, and update Wi-Fi to AC standard as XPS15.

Here you can see the Dell XPS 15 Technical Specifications:
http://i.dell.com/sites/doccontent/corporate/secure/en/Documents/dell-xps-15-brochure.pdf

 

Well no docking option makes it a no go for me. I can't understand why thunderbolt is not used in PCs, unless Apple has some exclusivity agreement. I don't necessarily need a numpad, but at least dedicated page up, down, home, end. No reason at all to functionalize them. I hope more haswell laptops will be released with msata+sata. Seems like we should see a lot more haswell refreshes as the holidays approach. Finally.

 

@John Ratsey you are referring to the NumPad. I personally like NumPads on 15.6'' and 17'' laptops too, but there is a major problem with that which apparently many companies and individuals don't like.
If you have a NumPad, then the laptop's mousepad does not align with the keyboard. If they put the mousepad in the middle of the laptop, then its off from the keyboard's space-bar. If they align it with the space-bar, then the mousepad is placed in the far left of the computer, in that case is not in the center of the laptop.

This issue, in combinations with space saving by taking the numpad off, is driving a lot of companies to just get rid of it.

For the price, you guys have to realize this is state of the art hardware which combines modern high-end specs and in a premium package. As a premium high-end device will have a premium price. Its not going to cost $1000.
But I am sure the basic model with i5 and 1080p display (starting at $1500) will be available for ~$1200 after coupons and general Dell savings.

In my opinion, this is the best laptop of its category right now.

 

I wasn't referring to the NumPad but to Home, PgUp, PgDn and End sitting in a column on the right side of the keyboard (as on my NP900X4C) - left side in picture below.


John

 

Ops I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying

 

Just really slow adoption, I think. The latest ROG laptops have them, but can't think of any others.

 

I have already grumbled about no Haswell 15" ultrabook in the relevant thread and now is the time for no 17" Chronos w/Haswell.

I need this for my Dad and Samsung for the second time, do you really want me to buy some non-Samsung laptop (both 15" ultrabook from Apple and 17" laptop from MSI or Asus with matte display are already sitting in stores and smiling at me begging "buy me").

Do you want some candle vigil for the new Haswell like the one for GM EV1 electric vehicle?

 

So, the statement that Samsung Slovenia has made on its Facebook page is completely false, there is no update to Haswell for Ativ Book 8 and October is ended.
I'm losing any hopes, but it seems that even the competitor XPS 15 has made only a paper launch...

 

Hey, don't shoot the messenger for the message! Maybe something got lost in the Slovenian -> English translation? OK, seriously...yeah, I think you're right -- sounds like a bit of manufactured hype.

-Matt

 

I feel that something new must be coming. Stocks of many of the current Samsung models seem to be diminishing.

Maybe all the info is on a website similar to the fishingtree one that someone gave the address of early this year so we had a preview of the new models. It's also possible that there's a large stockpile of parts waiting for the software people to finish their work on Win 8.1 compatibility.

John

 

At this point it seems that Samsung will reproduce the launch of actual ATIV8/Chronos, so leaked info in December and the launch in March, maybe Samsung wants to bring Haswell and directly jump into Broadwell..

 

Did anyone hear anything about a new 17 inch Samsung Haswell notebook with a 2560 x 1440 or a 4k display to be introduced in Jan at CES?

Just asking not sure if this is just a false rumor or there is some truth to it.

 

Where did you hear about this?

 

I think it is not a big problem if they skip Haswell generation, CPU front just very slightly better than Ivy and because almost all Samsung have discrete graphics, the integrated GPU part is not important. Broadwell will be lot more interesting with 14nm manufacturing process, hope Samsung will bring those laptops out soon as possible...

 

It is likely to be another year before Broadwell machines are in widespread production.

John

 

Seems like the first store listings for the Haswell version NP880Z5G pop up from various UK retailers. They list a 4702HQ as CPU.

 

NP880Z5G-X02UK preliminary specifications: BARE METAL CORE i7 4702HQ 8GB 1TB GT750M 2GB NO ODD 15.6 INCH TOUCH WIN 8.1.

 

The Geforce GT750M is not significantly slower than Radeon 8870M?

 

Doesn't seem like much of an improvement if any at all...

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There's no trace of that model in the SW Update database which suggests that it is not yet in production. Perhaps it will get shown at CES and reach the shelves about a month later provided Samsung aren't still busy fixing software bugs.

At least this sighting suggests that Samsung might have some more Haswell models in the pipeline.

John

 

I would say holiday season 2013, but also they might not even worry about it with the chronos because there isnt much of a difference between the chips except battery life, and on top of that, the battery life is already long.

 

They are about even, but the GT750 is a little better because its clocked higher. 750M is 967mhz, vs the HD8870M is 775mhz(825Mhz with boost). Ive overclocked my HD8770M to 950/1200(Core/Memory) and get very good performance with a on a 2 degree increase in temps. AMD's are a very good overclocker.

 

I get the impression that Samsung considers the holiday season an opportunity to clear old inventory (being aggressive with price) so that they can release new models in January.

 

You lucky you could hit 1200MHz Memory, unfortunately my mem already gives problem at 1150MHz. Or is your mem GDDR5? Fortunately my GPU is compensating that and can run over 1000MHz (Radeon 8750M). At this overclock speed I can hit the Geforce 750M performance in BF4, see here. However 8870M is lot more powerful with 640 shaders and GDDR5 than our 87xx with 384 shaders...

 

CPU cannot achieve performance of of DDR3 @ 1600 MHZ (3200 Gb/s) with more than one core operating at a time. GPU may be slightly better but CPU seems like a step down...

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