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    Intel Rapid Start Technology (IRST / IRSTRT) on Samsung Notebooks

    Discussion in 'Samsung' started by John Ratsey, May 1, 2012.

  1. Mata_Ratos

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    Ok, you don't have anything installed. Erase those empty folders, install CCLEANER and use to clean registry.

    Then, in the folder you download from samsung with IRST 2.0, theres a folder called "irstdriver". In there, you have a inst.exe file, I think. Execute it to install IRST. See if it all goes well. If it does, you'll probably have rapid start installed. Search the registry for "invisiblemode", and see if you can find it. If it's there, IRST is installed. Test it changing the IRST time to 0 minutes, and test it. If it works, it's because the hibernate partition is detected.

    Then, in the same folder, look for FFSR and try to install it.

    I think it will be difficult to help more than this, because the only way I found when having trouble installing IRST and FFSR, to install correctly, was by formating and making a full install. That way, no problem what so ever.

    Edit: Finished installing IRST on my series 5. Installed ok, working fine. Just had to reboot 2 ou 3 times to install it completly. Always had somethint to install every time I rebooted.
     
  2. belzebutt

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    Ok I'll try. Two more questions:
    - Do I have do powercfg /h off in order for irst to install properly?
    - When you install IRST and FFSR, do they prompt you to reboot or just silently finish running and you reboot on your own?
     
  3. belzebutt

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    I guess the driver isn't getting installed. I looked at the installer log and it seems like it's not finding the proper INFs for my hardware? Just to re-iterate, I have a NP900X3C, and I got these 2.0 drivers from a link earlier in this thread that was posted under a different Samsung laptop.

    Here's my installer log:

    >>> 11/21/2012 19:32:20:068
    [Install Configuration]
    Installer Version: 1.3.5.0
    Compile date = Mon Oct 10 13:21:49 2011
    OS command line = setup.exe -s
    Effective command line = -s
    Windows Version = Windows 8
    Platform = 64 bit
    Core Version = 3.0.1 (IIF2++)
    System up time = 212 sec
    Source: C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt
    [Languages]
    0401 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\ar-SA\setup.exe.dll
    0405 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\cs-CZ\setup.exe.dll
    0406 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\da-DK\setup.exe.dll
    0407 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\de-DE\setup.exe.dll
    0408 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\el-GR\setup.exe.dll
    0409 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\en-US\setup.exe.dll
    0C0A - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\es-ES\setup.exe.dll
    040B - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\fi-FI\setup.exe.dll
    040C - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\fr-FR\setup.exe.dll
    040D - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\he-IL\setup.exe.dll
    041A - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\hr-HR\setup.exe.dll
    040E - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\hu-HU\setup.exe.dll
    0410 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\it-IT\setup.exe.dll
    0411 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\ja-JP\Setup.exe.dll
    0412 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\ko-KR\setup.exe.dll
    0414 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\nb-NO\setup.exe.dll
    0413 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\nl-NL\setup.exe.dll
    0415 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\pl-PL\setup.exe.dll
    0416 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\pt-BR\setup.exe.dll
    0816 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\pt-PT\setup.exe.dll
    0418 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\ro-RO\setup.exe.dll
    0419 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\ru-RU\setup.exe.dll
    041B - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\sk-SK\setup.exe.dll
    0424 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\sl-SI\setup.exe.dll
    041D - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\sv-SE\setup.exe.dll
    041E - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\th-TH\setup.exe.dll
    041F - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\tr-TR\setup.exe.dll
    0804 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\zh-CN\Setup.exe.dll
    0404 - C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Lang\zh-TW\Setup.exe.dll
    User default LangID: 0x1009
    User default UI language: 0x409
    Loaded language 0409
    [Checking requirements]
    Checking for admin rights
    Admin rights OK
    Checking OS
    OS check OK
    [Scanning drivers]
    Scanning drivers
    Found INF = C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Drivers\x32\irstrtdv.inf
    Found INF = C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Drivers\x64\irstrtdv.inf
    [INF Info]
    INF = C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Drivers\x32\irstrtdv.inf
    * Section <PackageInfo> Key <Name> not found in INF
    * Section <PackageInfo> Key <Sequence> not found in INF
    Date = 05/15/2012
    Version = 2.1.0.1002
    ClassGUID = {4D36E97D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
    PackageInfo.Name =
    PackageInfo.Sequence = 0
    Manufacturer = Intel,NTx86.6.1
    Resolved Manufacturer = Intel
    ! Error locating a device section. Skipping inf
    [INF Info]
    INF = C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Drivers\x64\irstrtdv.inf
    * Section <PackageInfo> Key <Name> not found in INF
    * Section <PackageInfo> Key <Sequence> not found in INF
    Date = 05/15/2012
    Version = 2.1.0.1002
    ClassGUID = {4D36E97D-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}
    PackageInfo.Name =
    PackageInfo.Sequence = 0
    Manufacturer = Intel,NTamd64.6.1
    Resolved Manufacturer = Intel.NTamd64.6.1
    Inf supports 64 bit.
    Description: Intel(R) Rapid Start Technology Device
    HardwareID = GenericIrstrt_Inst,ACPI\INT3392
    Removed INF = C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Drivers\x32\irstrtdv.inf
    Removed C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\tempIrstrt\Drivers\x64\irstrtdv.inf
    ! Didn't find any INF's that match active hardware
    IIF will NOT initiate reboot
    Exit code = 0xA005
    ResultCode = 40965
    <<< 11/21/2012 19:32:21:551



    Is there a way to fool these into installing on mine, or should I try my luck with the 1.0 drivers?
     
  4. Mata_Ratos

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    1- I installed with powercfg on (hiberfil.sys file in C :), and it installed perfectly, leaving Windows Fast Startup and Hibernate options active.
    2- The problem is that nothing prompts you to restart... Maybe if installing through Samsung Software Update, it prompts. But note this way... I rebooted once, it installed FFSR, searched regedit fo "invisiblemode" and nothing appeared. Rebooted again, while rebooting searched for invisiblemode again, and nothing, but after a few seconds IRST started to install. In the end, I found invisible mode in regedit.
     
  5. Mata_Ratos

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    Don't waste your time with 1.0 drivers in windows 8, they don't integrate very nicely... You'll loose some windows abilities and won«'t have the botton option in Settings.
    What software did you use to get this log? I didn't know yu could do this :)

    My advice is:
    - Make a backup of important files you have on C:, personal files, etc.
    - Make a full system backup with SRS5. If even with a Windows 8 fresh install you can't get this to work, you can always go back. If it works, then decide what to do.
    - Reinstall windows 8, and then install express cache and settings.
    - Then, IRST. Reboot at leats 2 e 3 times.
    - If it all goes well, is not a hardware incompatibily, but a software one.

    If your laptop had IRST working in windows 7, then I think it has to work with windows 8. Although there are a lot of different models in samsung laptops, I think hardware differences aren't much in the same Series.
     
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    I think there may be a incompatibility issue with SRS5/recovery partiton, and the iSSD when in GPT mode (for rapid start 2.0). Yesterday, after completely installing my laptop with windows 8 and all the software I need, enabled IRST, and when I was going into recovery solution pressing F4, could enter the WinPE boot but gave me an error accessing Z:\winclon\manager1.exe. Think it has to do with the GPT partition, because when entering windows 8 it was very slow, as if express cache partition was reset. Have to try later with UEFI On in BIOS, and erasing iSSD. Will update on this issue.

    Sent from my U20i using Tapatalk
     
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    John did this fix you problem and if so how exactly how do you set the IRST process to automatic delayed start ?
     
  8. John Ratsey

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    It's not fixed. On my X4C IRST still throws an error consistently on every 3rd reboot. It's not a big hassle provided I remember to click on the IRST icon in the notification area after a reboot (usually about once a week) and, if it throws an error, reset the timer.

    John
     
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    Pardon me for the stupid question...but isn't the whole point of this special sleep mode to keep your apps open and put the PC into a low battery consumption state?

    When I try put the machine in the Fast On mode, it closes all my apps and shuts down. It does resume really fast, but that is pretty useless to me compared to the standard Windows hibernation feature.
     
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    Compared to the hibernation part itself, its about the same process as with windows hibernation, mas the access time is faster due to the fact that its reading and writing to a ssd. But theres a catch: in order to IRST works, first you have to suspend windows to RAM, which is a lot faster than any hibernation, but then you can specify a given time for the pc to go from suspend to hibernate. 0 minutes (almost instantly), 5, 30, whatever, to a limit of 120 (I think this is the limit). Imagine that you're working, and have to get out quickly. You can set the IRST time for, say, 5 or 10 minutes, put the pc in suspension mode, by closing the screen or pushing the button, wich is really fast shutting down but its still wasting battery because its still in ram. After that preset time, it transfers the contens in ram to issd. Even if your laptop is already in the bag, for instance, so it wont waste a lot of battery, and its about 10 seconds faster than windows hibernation when resuming. Was this what you were asking? :)
     
  11. waktasz

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    What I was saying is that when I do the IRST "sleep" it logs off my Windows session (closing all of my running programs) so that although it does resume from sleep very very fast, I then have to relaunch my programs, and all my browser tabs have to reload, etc. It seems like the standard hibernate method, although slower, is better because it boots back up to my same Windows session.

    Maybe my IRST sleep is not working as it should? From reading this thread it seems like it should act just like hibernate, where it pauses your current Windows session, without logging you off.
     
  12. fullyZ

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    Judging by the requirment of IRST(official) it needs a 3rd gen CPU and an SSD so can we assume that IRST work even on Series 7?
     
  13. Mata_Ratos

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    I think you irst is not working as it should. Mine keeps all pages open, etc, everything as it was before suspend... Are you sure you are refering to IRST, or Samsung Fast Start...? In windows 7, there was this option, samsung fast start, or fast on, that reduced windows loading time, but that was when shuting down the laptop completely.

    Search the registry for the "invisiblemode" key. When it finds it, all those options that appear are related to IRST. There's one there (I'm not on my laptop right now, can't check that out), that says something like "hybrid..." something. It may be on, try setting it to off. I think that its that option that flushes a lot of info from ram before transfering info to iSSD. Set it to off (0) and see if that still happens. This is as a shoot in the dark, but you wont lose anything in trying it...
     
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    I don't think its that simple... The motherboard and BIOS also have to be compatible to IRST. A lot of Desktop PC's also use IRST, and only in Motherboards that are compatible with it, you can use IRST. Even if its a 3rd Gen 7, and with an iSSD, the MB also has to support it.
    If its a laptop, I believe that, if it supports IRST, it has to be in the laptop specifications...
     
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    You're right...I was using Samsung Fast Start mode. I disabled that in the Samsung settings and now it works. I did download the newest version of the Intel Rapid Start Technology Manager though, and I set the timer to 1 minute so it goes into the no power state pretty much right away.

    I like it. With my old laptop I would use hibernate almost exclusively, now I use IRST and it definitely boots faster.
     
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    Hey All!

    I'm trying to install IRST through Easy Settings, but i'm stucked at the begining. Neither Easy Settings nor Easy Software Manager been able to install 'cause their installer says there is some incompatible with my system or the computer(i don't remember exatly). Yesterday i did a clean install of Win8, because i had some problems with the original(factory) image. I assume i can't install a clean Win8 from the factory image, can i?
    Maybe this version of W8 causes the incompatibility, doesn't it?

    Thanks for the help in advance!
     
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    Hello folks,

    I´m lurking here for a while now and it took it´s time to get things sorted and my IRSTRT going.
    I think it was page 20 that gave me the right kick:
    ftp://download.gigabyte.ru/manual/mb_manual_intel-ui_e.pdf

    after following that instruction I was finally able to activate that feature.

    IRSTRT works like a charm now, but every now and then the button disappears from the statusbar, everything looks fine (judging by the running services) but the hibernate don´t work anymore.
    I suppose it´s the windows8-updates, who cancel the program from working properly.
    After updating windows, a de-installation followed by a new installation of IRSTRT everything´s working again.

    I think this feature needs a lot of bug-fixes till it´s finally running without problems...

    My system:
    New Series 9 / Core i5 / Windows8 / crucial 256GB

    Greets from Germany,
    Guenther
     
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    Can you please post the steps here? Did you install it on top of a working Windows 8 clean install?

    I've tried creating the IRST partition multiple times and I couldn't do it so please help.

    By the way, when I did my Windows 8 clean install I had UEFI enabled in the BIOS, do you have it enabled?

    There's no IRST setting in your BIOS, correct?


    This link doesn't work for me so it's no help.
     
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    When I watch any movies/videos on my series 9, my laptop keeps automatically adjusting the brightness on my screen even though I turned off all effect settings. Any idea on how to stop this from happening? It happens whether I use any video player, so it's not the program.
     
  20. John Ratsey

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    Try disabling adaptive brightness in the graphics adapter properties.

    BTW, this has nothing to do with Intel Rapid Start Technology.

    John
     
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    Ok, so here's how I got it to work on a clean Windows 8 install. I can't tell how reliable it is but I know it's working since it's doing the off/on/off cycle and I know it's S4 since it won't power up with the lid anymore.

    Prior to doing this my system was using UEFI and hibernate was enabled with a hibernate partition.

    1) Download IRST 2.0 from Intel:
    http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=21612

    2) Follow the Diskpart instructions in the User Guide on that page, and substitute the following:
    - Partition size = 4396
    - I'm using UEFI and GTP for my SSD. Therefore instead of:

    DISKPART>set id=84 override

    I had to do:

    DISKPART>set id=D3BFE2DE-3DAF-11DF-BA40-E3A556D89593

    My understanding is that if I had UEFI disabled (as is the BIOS default on my NP900X3C-A01CA) I would use the first command.

    3) Install the IRST software after doing Diskpart.

    4) Run the IRST software, it will give you an error at launch about the settings.

    5) Slide the timer around and then slide it back to 0 and hit "Save".

    Now enter sleep mode and check that the power LED goes off, then on for a few seconds, then off again. When it resumes it should be as quick as resume from sleep.


    Edit: I've used it for a while and no issues. I also turned off hibernation, deleted the hibernation partition and recovered the space, everything is fine (you just need to redo this "set id" command anytime you mess with partitions).
     
  22. John Ratsey

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    I've just installed IRST V2 on my X4C (Windows 7) and it seems to have fixed the problem of the computer losing the IRST timer settings after 3 reboots.

    It's another example of an update that Samsung should be offering.

    John
     
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    Hi! I'm wondering where you found this driver, and if you think it would work on the X3B? Also, while we're on the topic, how can you tell when IRST has disabled itself? Sometimes I seem to lose more power when "sleeping" than others, although I almost always wake from sleep in a way that suggests IRST is working (a little more slowly, with the WIFI taking some time to register). Thanks. :)
     
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    IRST V2 is here.

    I have just installed it on my X3B and will see what happens. At the first attempt to run it by clicking on the blue icon in the notification area it gave the same error message (I forget the words) as I was getting with every third reboot on the X4C. The error message goes away when one resets the timer. A few reboots of the X3B suggest that IRST is running OK with a notable change from before being that the timer control automatically displays on screen after a reboot. I've been comparing the registry entries between the X3B and X4C and can't spot an obvious setting to cause this.

    My general impression from looking through the registry is that there are are more IRSTRT-related settings than previously.

    John
     
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    Hey, thank you! For some reason I didn't get notified of your reply. Just downloaded it. Will report back with any issues or observations. :)
     
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    I just tried to install IRST V2 on my new fresh Win 7 install on my NP900X4C, and I get the following error: "The computer does not meet the minimum requirements for installing the software"
     
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    First you need to install Easy Settings. If you have done that already then install IRST V1 as supplied with your computer and see if that installs OK then try again with IRST V2.

    If IRST V1 doesn't want to install then I wonder if it relates to the disk space / layout.The IRST installer creates a partition (RAM size plus a little extra) from available space on C:. If you have 4 primary partitions then it can't do this. Also, it appears that IRST V2 needs .NET framework V4 (not sure about V1).

    John
     
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    Ok, I just saw your reply... thanks. In the meantime before I saw your reply, I tried some stuff that appears (maybe?) to have worked.

    Here is what I just did:

    1. Uninstalled Easy Settings (my version was 2.0.0.31)
    2. Rebooted laptop
    3. Double Clicked on the installer (from your link in post #224) for the IRST V2. For some reason, it looks to have installed now.
    4. Rebooted
    5. I re-installed Easy Settings 2.0.0.31
    6. Rebooted
    7. Now when I go into Easy Settings, for the first time, I see IRST there, and it's already defaulted to ON. (This is on the General tab)
    8. I see the little blue power IRST icon in the Notifications area. I clicked on it, and went into settings. For now I've got it set at 30min for kicks (Is there a recommended time for optimized results?)

    I have not tested it yet, but I will here shortly. I assume to test it I will do what you mentioned earlier in this thread..... set timer to zero.

    Does Samsung Fast Boot & Fast Start need to be turned ON or OFF in Easy Settings? (does it matter to IRST?) Currently I have both set to ON, but I'm unsure how that relates to IRST.
     
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    Thanks for the update. Good news. :)

    You should be able to see the difference in wake-up time between sleep (1 to 2 seconds) and resume from hibernation (5 to 10 seconds). The other test for proper hibernation is put the computer to sleep running on battery and leave it overnight. if the charge drops 0 to 2% then it's hibernating properly. If the battery has dropped ~5% then it's been sleeping.

    Fast Boot and Fast Start are completely separate: Fast boot skips checking for other bootable devices when booting (you need to disable it if you want to boot from another device) and Fast Start tries to make some optimisation of the Windows Startup process. However, it a bit of a fudge with side-effects such as the touchpad right button now working immediately.

    John
     
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    Thanks for the info. I just tried turning off Fast Start, but all it seemed to do was make the laptop no longer wake up from sleep when I open the lid, so I turned it back on. I haven't seen any issues with the touchpad yet.

    Maybe the Rapid Start Technology is better with V2 of Easy Settings, and V2 of IRST.... not sure.....? I didn't change anything in the Registry or anything. It seems to be working... I set the timer to both 0 minutes, and then 1 minute, to test it. It seems to take 6-9 sec to come back to life. It's certainly not 1-2 sec.

    I have the laptop charged to 100%, and closed the lid, and unplugged the AC Adapter, and will be leaving it untouched until the morning... so we'll see what it does.
     
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    Sorry. :mad: I was wrong about Fast Start. I think it is related to IRST. I was thinking about the advanced options in Fast Boot.

    John
     
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    Ok, I just opened up my laptop lid for the first time in about 15 hours.... it has been unplugged that entire time. It still shows 100 battery%!
     
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    Then IRST is working fine. Now you can set the time to a value which means that if you close the lid for a shortish period it just sleeps but if left for a longer time then it hibernates.

    John
     
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    Hey,
    ~please note I'm talking about W8~

    I posted a question back in that topic and it doesn't really belong there, so I'm asking here. This might help people who are a bit confused about the entire hibernation/ sleep thing. I would like someone - I would really appreciate it - to explain the difference between normal hibernation and hibernation by IRST, all has to be saved on the disc anyway, doesn't it? What is the difference when its saved into a separated partition and when it saves Windows automatically somewhere? And what is hybrid boot isn't something like IRST hibernation but from Microsoft?
     
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    Sleep: keep the PC mostly powered off but keep RAM powered (S3 state), this uses a few % of battery overnight
    Hibernate: Windows saves the contents of RAM to a file and uses no battery (S4 state). On resume, Windows partially loads and restores the RAM.
    IRST: The IRST process saves the RAM to a partition and uses no battery (S4 state). On resume it loads the RAM from the partition which seems a bit faster than the hibernate process.

    The way timers are configured is also different. In the Windows power settings you can configure a sleep timer and hibernate timer, which both start at the same time. If your hibernate timer is longer, you will sleep first (draining some battery), then hibernate once the hibernate timer kicks in (using no battery).
    <---sleep_timer--->
    <---hibernate_timer--->
    With this setup, let's say if you need to leave your PC idle for long periods of time and you only want it to go to sleep manually when you close the lid or press a sleep button, you will never be able to get it to hibernate. Your sleep and hibernate timers will both be set to infinite (0) and when you close the lid it will sleep (S3) until it runs out of battery.

    In IRST, you set the sleep timer, and also a timer for how long after sleep mode you want IRST to kick in:
    <---sleep_timer---><---irst_timer--->
    With this setup, if you again have your sleep timer set to infinite (0, and the hibernate timer is not used because you disabled hibernate mode since you don't use it), even if you put your PC to sleep manually IRST will still kick in after the IRST timer. So even with "sleep after x idle minutes" disabled, if you only ever put the PC to sleep manually, IRST will still get your PC to enter S4 state and prevent it from draining the battery.

    This is the main reason I lean towards IRST despite the much smaller performance difference in Windows 8, I sometimes prefer to leave my PC on when it's connected to the VPN and I don't want to lose my sessions etc. But then when suspend it manually it still doesn't use any power.

    Also you only deal with one suspend timer and one suspend mode so it's ever so slightly simpler to manage.
     
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    I don't have first-hand experience of Windows 8.

    I would add that IRST doesn't compress the hibernation data but keeps the data on the SSD as a direct copy of RAM contents which can be kept updated as blocks in the background. This means that at any time the hibernation data is almost up-to-date so the final updating needed when a computer is put to sleep is small. The transition from IRST sleep to hibernation is just a matter of turning sleep off in the knowledge that the hibernation data has already been written. Because this takes place outside of Windows there's no risk of the computer waking up in a bag an overheating. The other "trick" in IRST is, in order to shorten the resume time, it first loads those pages of RAM that were most recently active. One can notice this effect if, on resume, one immediately switches to an open program that had been the background when the computer was put to sleep.

    John
     
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    After moving to Windows 8 what should be 16Gb SSD drive look like?

    I notice I still have a hiberfil.sys on C:\ and the partition looks like this:

    https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D418639_61742796_956305

    I don't remember seeing the hibernation partition under Windows 7.

    I also didn't have a hibernate option in the start menu under Win 7.
     
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    Which model notebook? A 16GB SSD indicates it is not the Series 9.

    However, I don't have a hibernate option on my Series 9 with Win 7. Intel Rapid Start works in the background (but you should have had an IRST control panel (see this thread). There may also be some clarification in this thread.

    John
     
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    I did a clean Windows 7 (x64 Home Premium) install for a Series 9 NP900X4D-A01 and deleted the 4 GB hibernation partition while at it. Now I have disabled hibernation and I have not yet installed IRST with Samsung SW Update. It offers me version 1.0.0.1015, but Intel has versions 2.1.0.1002 (08/03/2012...quite old?) and 3.0.0.1008 (03/13/2013). The Intel downloads are:

    - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/De...57&DwnldID=21612&keyword=rapid+start&lang=eng
    - https://downloadcenter.intel.com/De...57&DwnldID=22592&keyword=rapid+start&lang=eng

    Which version should I install?
     
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    Those files direct from Intel seem to be only the driver and not the full installation package. Samsung's package is about 30MB and includes other programs such as FFSRSetup.msi which does the tasks to create the enabling environment for IRST to run. In SW Update do a search for NP900X4C-A01UK and then export the IRST package. My machine is that model and it's offered IRST V2. Alternatively, you might be able to get Intel's driver only package to work if you follow the instructions in the IRST technology guide.

    John
     
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    I've been using the fist one with Windows 8. The installer is indeed only 1.6 Mb, all it is is just a little utility that runs in the task tray. I'll probably try the 3.0 version.
     
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    Am I doing this wrong? Originally my SSD had the following partitions:
    1: SYSTEM (primary, 100 MB Windows boot partition)
    2: C (primary, ~90GB)
    3: hibernate (primary, 4GB IRST partition)
    4: RECOVERY (~24GB Samsung recovery data)

    I want to have a D: drive for user data, so I deleted partition #3, reduced #2 (C: ), created an extended partition in the new free space and created a logical drive there (D: ). If I want IRST back I'd need a 4 GB primary partition with type 84h. I can't create one as I have already 4 primary partitions...

    I guess I'd need to back up an image of recovery partition somewhere and use that data for IRST and extending the data partition. Is this my only option if I want C:, D: and IRST?
     
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    @apa64: Your best bet is to lose the SYSTEM partition (by putting BCDBOOT files directly on the Windows partition). That way you can have a Data partition and leave your Hibernation and Recovery partitions intact.

    We touch on it briefly in hanime's USB install thread, where you posted earlier today (again, great post you made there).

    Note that Windows Disk Management will always create the 4th partition as an Extended. Use Parted if you want it as a Primary.
     
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    FYI, I installed IRST 3.0 over top of my IRST 2.0. Still works.
     
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    Me too: I recreated the 4 GB hibernate partition according to Intel's instructions and installed iRST 3.0 from the Intel package. I have Easy Settings 2.x but no Samsung iRST package ever installed. Result: Rapid Start works. I put the laptop to sleep with power button and it flashed back on for a second to do the memory-to-SSD dump. Thanks John, dannemand and belzebutt!

    When I used the power button to sleep the laptop Samsung's bloatware asked if I'd like to use Fast On-mode.. Well, I tried and it resulted in something to fix... More in another thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sam...-get-delayed-startup-items-back-hkcu-run.html


    PS. removing the SYSTEM partition was necessary but doing it mixed up my previous C and D drive letters: The C became E and D became C... The Windows installer start up fix thing could not fix it and neither could I manually so I ended up reinstalling again. Anyway, now the boot files are on the C partition and there's no primary SYSTEM partition.
     
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    after 3 restarts this happend
    1.jpg

    2.jpg
     
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    I used to get a similar message on about every 3rd reboot when I was running IRST V1. Installing V2 fixed that problem.

    You now be able to adjust the timer. 0 means that the computer will go straight into hibernation.

    John
     
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    I'm not sure if this has been answered, but does IRST mean you don't need this file?

    Another thing I'm wondering is why hibernation isn't even available as an option to me on Windows 7/900X3C. Wonder why the file even exists when I can only set the system to sleep, not hibernate.

    I also notice that I have version 1.0.0.1013 and not 1015 of IRST Manager, but I do have the options mentioned.'

    Edit: I assume it's working if it takes 10 seconds to show the login screen when opening the lid, rather than just 2-3?
     
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    1. IRST has its own hibernation partition so Windows' hibernation file is not needed and uses scarce space on the SSD. I can't explain why the hibernation file exists when hibernation is disabled. It could be one of the glitches in IRST V1.

    2. Yes, 10 seconds to wake up is indicative of hibernation. The other test is to leave the computer on battery over overnight and see the drop in charge.

    I recommend you update to IRST V2 obtainable from Intel downloads. It may well automatically tidy up the loose ends in (1).

    John
     
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    Hmm, is IRST starting automatically with the computer for everyone else? It seems that I have to start it manually every time I reboot.
     
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