Introducing The 2013 Series 7 Chronos with AMD HD8870M!

But still... Build quality of U500VZ will be better than Chronos if Chronos turn out to be made of plastic. U500VZ may not be perfect but it is very sturdy built.
Thats why I'm not buying Samsung's phones, they have excellent screens and are very fast and all that, but since they're very plastic and difficult to handle with one hand, they are not a choice for me.
Samsung has some strange love to plastic.

 

@Jako

Why do people resort to namecalling.... it diminishes any intelligent conversation. I am not a ''stupid asus fanboy'' simply because i have NEVER owned an asus product... the u500 is the first one i am considering. If anything i MIGHT be a Samsung fanboy as i own a galaxy note phone a galaxy note tablet and a samsung smart tv and swear by them being the best products i have ever owned.

You on the other hand definetly are the kind of fanboy you are talking about as you are defending tooth and nail a laptop that is not on the market yet, has not proven itself yet, only a handfull of people have touched and no tests and benchmarks have been made. However you are speaking about it being a better laptop while saying about the asus that established itself as being THE BEST(powerfull hardware in a thin aluminium chasis with a good IPS display and premium sound system ) windows machine at this point in time (i'm not saying perfect and not taking into consideration the samsung because it's not on the market yet) and the only real competitor of the macbook as being bad

I was not saying the asus is better... i was just giving pros and cons for each from my point of view

However if you read this review Samsung Series 7 Chronos product preview - Laptop - Trusted Reviews you will see the chronos feeling cheap and if i can live with a plastic chasis and body in a compact phone i am a litlle bit reluctant to have it in a PREMIUM laptop.

Someone else said about the pics being different (macro of the samsung). I didn't search of a macro of the asus because you would not see anything... the top plate and the sides are the same piece of aluminum so there are no joints to show except underneath where the bottom plate is meeting the top plate while on the samsung you can see all the joints between the smaller bits and pieces.


Some people where mentioning the HUGE price for the asus.... In my country(Romania) it is 1400 EURO with the 128gb ssd+500 gb hdd option so it is about as much as a chronos will be if you add the price of an 128gb ssd.

For me the problem is not being able to do so (add ssd while keeping the hdd also) to the samsung.

However if the samsung does deliver on the hd8870 meaning if it is working how it should without overheating and the graphics switching and drivers aren't causing huge problems like the 7970 is on the alienware and clevos i will definetly be buying this machine instead of the asus.... provided no other major flaws of course and that i don't lose my warranty if i open it up to put a ssd instead of the hdd.

 

What will they do with the space where the DVD drive used to be?

 

Battery of course.

 

They moved the other components inside in it's place to get it at 21mm thickness

 

These are both great looking laptops, I say kudos to both manufacturers for dumping the useless optical drive and bringing a product to market for PC gamers who favor a thin and light form factor. Thanks for the heads up about the UX51. I'd been planning to upgrade for the past year but previously hadn't really seen anything that was a significant step up from my three year old envy 15 without being a lot more bulky, other than the rMBP and Razer Blade.

 

Bigger battery and a second fan, mostly

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That review never says that the chronos feels cheap, but that it's keyboard feels cheap in comparison to the ultra's keyboard.
The review actually states that the hinge is great, and that it looks great. It does not once mention the actual laptop being cheap.

 

I have the suspect the RAM accelerator could be a RAM disk, is there any info about this feature?

 

First of all that is not a review, it's just someone that is telling his impressions about a unit seen in few minutes at CES 2013, but if you think or believe that Asus is your best choice, you have only to buy it.

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From my first post
AnandTech - Samsung Acquires SSD Caching Company NVELO

 

Jinx, you told us a lot about Asus build quality but did you have the laptop in your hands or your experience is based on pictures from the internet?
Asus is not available in many countries. In the UK we have only one system with older CPU and 2x128GB SSD and without touch screen. I will not travel to Romania to buy a laptop. I once had a Samsung laptop and it was rubbish so I don't expect this one to be any better but please don't say that Asus is out of this world because it's not that good as you may think looking at the pictures. Build quality and design of Samsung series 9 is more elegant and better.

 

Uhm, I don't think that's the technology used in Chronos, because it seems an alternative to Intel SRT, also the article announces the intention to acquire NVELO and reports date 12/16/2012, so I think it's to soon to have some implication in the new Chronos.

I want say something about "plastic", I don't know is any of you is capable of recognize a material with a simple touch, maybe some of us have had the opportunity to touch a Sony Vaio S, it seems made of plastic but instead is magnesium alloy, not simple to recognize it.
Even the Samsung Series 9 has a chassis made in magnesium alloy, Samsung at CES2013 has even presented a Series 9 in white mate.
I don't know if Chronos has bottom made of "plastic" or magnesium alloy, but it is very likely that even the CES observers don't know this info.

 

@ Jako

I have had the UX52 in my hands...my brother owns it... Same form factor same screen same chasis with one small difference it has a dvd drive and only a 645M with 1gb vram. Superb build quality i can say from personal experience. The chronos ofcourse i've only seen online. I am not comparing the asus to the series 9 ...i am comparing to the new series 7. The idea is,,, when buying a 500euro laptop i don't want to pay 100 euro extra for a premium casing and would be happy for just plastic and that money going to some more powerfull innards. But when buying a 1400 euro laptop i am expecting it to be premium in all aspects not only sheer computational power. When i pick it up from one corner i don't want it to make squeaking noise from the chasis flexing or other such things and that is exactly the vibe i am getting from those pictures of the Chronos . Ofcourse i might be totally wrong here and i really hope i am. At the moment the only thing keeping me from buying the chronos is the lack of ssd+ hdd config and my personal impresion of not so perfect build. And the only thing keeping me from buying the asus is the fact that the 8870 in the chronos is supposed to be much more powerfull and the 11 hour battery life....touch screen is just an extra added bonus

@ MAC

If after all my posts you still don't understand that i DON'T think the asus is better overall only better in some aspects and the chronos better in others, then you have a serious problem understanding the english language mio piccolo amico italiano. I just said in one of my earlier posts that the chronos will most likely be my next laptop IF the 8870 works as intended(good cooling, good drivers, good graphics switching tech) and if can switch the HDD for a SSD without breaking the warranty.

Regarding your second post....i really hope you are right and that is a metalic alloy and not plastic but from Mike's video it looked an awfull lot like plastic to me.

On a personal sidenote....I feel i am fighting against windmills here. Some of you guys are defending this samsung like it's your newborn child. All I am trying to do is show the (very few) defects of this machine as well as it's plus sides while doing the same for it's direct rival the asus. I am not saying one is better than the other in all aspects since it's impossible to compare....no one has even the slightest idea how the samsung actually behaves under stress, how sturdy it is and how good it's screen and audio is.

 

they were exactly like that on the xps 15, them after the fail that it was the u500vz, them after its problems (throttling, Q&A, and some others) they are here.

Just let them be.

This appears to be a very solid choice for people looking at 15'', given the usual prices of the chronos line, I think hp and dell have some good competition coming up

 

Well yeah it's cool to have an aluminium body and seamless side construction, but even if it is made of multiple part if there is no give or flex it's still a good build quality, but there will be unflush chasis and lemons like for everylaptop that's not unibody ahah, asus has the same issue with the UX32 or VZ anyway, unflushed sides...
That said the sides and underneath of the chronos 7 are cheaper looking because of the seam or use of plastic. But anyway that's nitpicking, no one stares half the the time at the side or the bottom of his laptop. Especially not at a 15 or 17 inch desktop replacement laptop that's supposed to just sit there, displaying keyboard, front and screen most of the time, and in those departments the chronos looks as good as the asus.

 

Totally agree with both of u (Karamazovmm & Derpderp), This laptop is a good desktop replacement and as a DTR the build issues i've been discussing are totally irelevant. However for me they are not ....my avatar is not only for show I am actually a naval officer and for half of the time this laptop will be sitting at home on my desk probably with a cooling pad underneath. However for the other half of the year while i am at sea it will be in my lap or in my bed being lifted lopsidedly with one hand and so on . If i wouldn't be a gamer i'd just take my pick from a plethora of ultrabooks out there with integrated video. But as it is now i find myself very limited in choices. I hate apple and all that it stands for so my only options with strong GPU's are this chronos or the asus so you understand my frustrations when i see that even these two despite their price have issues that are hard to overlook.
If the asus had the 8870 this would be a no brainer since the fan noise and slight throttling of the cpu(from what i've read on it's not noticeable when playing games only if you have a background program to log it for you) are not really issues for me and i am perfectly satisfied with 5-6 hrs battery life
If the chronos would have the build of the asus and a ssd alongside that /HDD again would be an easy pick.

But right now i am torn between these two machines

 

Mio piccolo amico rumeno, it's pretty sure that my English it's not good at all, but it seems that your English was misunderstood from many readers of this thread...
If you read this thread from the start, I have always said that there are several points that need investigation, in special way the cooling system.
I don't understand this hate for plastic. Plastic is more resistant than metal regarding dents or scratches, then the right combination of plastic, metal alloys and aluminum would not be a problem.
The best material to realize a notebook is carbon fiber, but neither Apple realizes notebook in this material, if I remember correctly only Sony, Lenovo and Gigabyte have realized notebook with carbon fiber.

I was ready to push the trigger for Gigabyte P2542G before Christmas (Yes, I was ready to buy a yellow notebook ) because the others choices had a lot of big drawbacks.
Fortunately the lack of availability has saved me, but if new Chronos doesn't satisfy my expectations I will go back to Gigabyte choice.

 

Any news on the new 17" Chronos?

 

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2013/01/10/samsung-series-7-chronos-review-first-look/

Idk how correct this is, and it's odd that they deny the laptop being it's claimed size, but it states that there is an all-aluminum premium version, and a mixed standard version.

 

@MAC
Well I don't know how I could have better explained things but let's chalk this up to mere misunderstanding .

My hate for plastic comes from 4 semesters of "Material Studies" courses during university where i learned exactly it's characteristics and that of metal alloys asswell.

The bottom line is plastics main advantages are reduced weight and elasticity. But in this case that elasticity becomes a disadvantage....i don't want elasticity in my expensive notebook...i want rigidity and torsional stiffness(attributes of metal alloys ). I'm not planing on banging my notebook against the wall so dents are not an issue and regarding scratching...how can u say plastic is more resistant to scratches ) That makes me just LoL

I agree with u on the carbon part though.

All things aside don't regard my earlier italian bit as me having some problem with italians. I love Italy and the italian people....you brought spaghetti pizza and ossobuco milanese into the world afterall .

 

Maybe you can ask about scratch on aluminum to some iphone 5 owners, and about dents to some HP Envy 15/17 owners (aluminum chassis).
If you do some Google search you can find the answers.

 

Apparently you misunderstood me again. I agreed with you that aluminum gets dented easily BUT I will not bang my laptop against walls so i don't care about this.

Regarding scratching....the problem with the iphone 5 is the coating(paint or whatever you want to call it) on the aluminum that is getting chipped not the aluminum itself.

In addition I'm going to give you a very easy explanation.... While you can scratch a piece of plastic with an aluminum knife you will never scratch a piece of aluminum with a plastic knife....this is the easiest way to show you plastic is less resistant to scratches. It's basically the same principle as the Mohs scale.

 

I disagree, you'd be right on a microsopic level but plastics are "self-healing" because unpainted plastic, or plastic whose color has been melted into it can get scratched but it won't display a scratch of a very faint one that is still the same color as the plastic. On the other hand anodized or painted aluminium will easily show a scratch when it gets in contact with anything like a particle of quartz out of dust or sand residues.
A simple example of that is how polycarbonate phones will not be overly scratched after years of use while anything metal will get badly worn and look used.
Brushed aluminium aswell will look bad after a scratch unless its scratched the very same direction as the brushing effect...
Aluminium is really not a really good material, overall plastic is better for choc absorption and protecting the internals of the PC aswell as protecting your lap from getting burnt when CPU is in full load or your hands feeling cold in the morning, but, but aluminium is a good eye candy.

 

No one wants to bang his laptop against the wall, but for example HP has sent to its customers laptop already dented, plastic is more elastic than metal.
We are speaking of notebooks that by their nature are objects that are often transported, so accidental blows are always possible.
I'm not so sure that I can't scratch an aluminum panel with a plastic knife specially if it is serrated, but maybe if you are so sure you can try with the laptop of your brother

 

If they would make the chronos out of plastic or whatever material for less money I wouldn't care that much. The specs, mobility and price matter more to me than the looks. The aluminium body is nice to have though but not worth the extra price imo. I hope some company releases a product soon with similar specs and mobility, but cheaper. If worse looks, so be it. Has anyone seen something like that being announced?

 

how do i delete post?

 

Ok.... let,s get our facts straight:

@ MAC

All the laws of physics dictate that it is imposible for you to scratch aluminum with plastic no matter how sharp or pointy that plastic is(we,re talking about consumer grade plastics)... you can have a plastic knife with it's edge sharpened to one micron and all it would do is get dull really fast.

@ derpderp

Plastic is not self healing....in general only organic fibrous materials are self healing (wooden chopping blocks for example). I do agree with you that scratches will be less visible on a drab matte piece of plastic than on your shiny new brushed aluminum..... but then again do you really want your laptop to look like that. Most plastic laptops nowadays have some type of gloss or pattern finish on wich scratches will be rather visible...and since it,s plastic there will be far more of them... but this discussion is getting far off track since for me it's not the scratches on the bottom of the chronos i am worried about.

The idea is that 90% of the population will prefer a nice aluminum unibody design rather than a plastic one if we are talking about identical machines from every other point of view

Better shock absorbtion might be the only real advantage that plastics have becaus thermal conductivity is not a disadvantage for me. It,s actually a plus.

I don,t expect my laptop to get hot during browsing or music or any other everyday task that I would be using it on my lap for. And during gaming when it will be on a desk I don,t care that the metal on the bottom will get hot... It will actually help with heat dissipation so I really can,t see the disadvantage. But maybe I'm just special and many ppl are gaming with their laptops on their laps....NOT

 

This forum is quickly turning into a flame war. I'm saddened by this.

 

This discussion is getting waaaaaaay offtopic so I suggest we end it and get back to more down to earth stuff like:

1 Samsung make sure that you make a good cooling system for that behemoth of a video card
2 Samsung gief me ssd+ hdd combo or atleast an mSata connector

If points 1 and 2 are met then we get to point 3:

3 Samsung pls take my money!!!!...again

Later edit: Looks like someone else arrived at tthe same conclusion few seconds before me

 

So Jinx, what was you contribution to the thread itself? You didn't post any unknown facts, unknown details and pictures showing something we don't know. All you contributed was negatives. Forum is about posting some stuff, not only telling people what you think about something and trying to convince others that you are wright and anyone else is wrong.
Searching for information is not that easy and we wasting time to get some info as soon as possible. I will like to see more contribution and less what people think.

 

This post was ignored due to the discussion over quality, aluminum, etc.

Pretty interesting link though.

 

Agree, I really prefer metal alloy chassis, not only because it looks and feels better, but it also helps to dissipate heat to your laptop cooler.

However, the announced specs are insanely powerful for 0.82" thin and light laptop, exactly the product I've been waiting for and almost too good to be true. It would have to be pretty ugly or seriously plagued with QA problems for me to rule it out on that basis. And from what I can tell from some blurry CES videos, whether the chassis is metal alloy or plastic painted to look metal, it still doesn't look bad at all IMO.

 

Not counting the link I posted of the handson review I would think that elaborating on the weak parts of a product is equally important as the positive ones... seems like it's not. I'll refrain from posting my personal opinions in this case

P.S. I can tell you of atleast one person that came out with some extra knowledge... moviemarketing now knows that the ux51 has a gt650

BTW... here is the definition of a forum for you: a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas

 

It seems that on the youtube video from samsung the bezel of the chronos seems to be grey/silver/aluminium coloured and on the hands on video from ces it seems black. Am I seeing this wrong? I first thought that the one with the black bezel was the series 7 ultra...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjA8-aNxgzI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

The non touch version might be with the normal silver bezel while the touch gets the edge to edge glass with black bezel

 

The medium version is quite different from the version that we are talking in this thread (high-end version) for example it (medium version) has black keyboard.

 

Don't take me wrong I have nothing against making your point but at the moment we are trying to put some pieces of information together and you came up with conclusion about build quality based on some poor quality pictures of a pre production demo. It's to early for conclusions and picking gaps and lines in the chassis.

 

Honestly I think it's be cool to keep the Z5C chassis (maybe with an aluminum bottom) but upgrade the screen to the 1080p version and if the ODD must be removed, just take up the space with a ridiculously large battery. I think the .94" thickness is more than adequate and would take the same thickness computer with a larger battery over a thinner computer. Again, I like having an optical drive but they've gotta follow the trend of course. If the new one gets 11hrs, then with the old chassis maybe 15hrs is possible. More battery life is always welcome.

Also I think having the extra tenth of an inch has more potential for cooling that 8870m.

 

Also I wonder what happened to the DisplayPort. From what I've heard it wasn't compatible with any to-DVI or to-VGA converters, which I thought Samsung would fix with this new Chronos, but now they just took out the port?

That makes sense.

I see, that must be how it can manage 11 hours. Any specs on the capacity of the new battery?

If it goes like this generation of Series 7 Chronos, the 17" version won't come until much later, but with better stuff (the current 17" Chronos has a better screen and speakers than the 15" version according to notebookcheck Review Samsung Series 7 Chronos 700Z7C Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

Let's see what YOU contributed to the thread:

- Forums are places were people are free to share knowledge and opinions, not just knowledge. It shouldn't take 25 pages to list the specifications of this new notebook, so what do you think most people here are doing? They're sharing their knowledge, experiences and opinions.
- Calling someone a "stupid fanboy" and claiming a company "does not care about your existence". I don't know how your naive language is spoken, but in the English language this was VERY RUDE of you to say something like this to someone. Please learn more about English politeness and mannerisms before you decide to use it argue with someone without insulting them.

- "Samsung just made a better laptop than Asus" - can you be more specific?
- the Asus being "simply unpleasant to touch, it's sticky and always feels dirty." is something "what people think", or an opinion, which is what you want less of, yet you yourself shared your THOUGHT on the Asus case.
- Jinx is new to the forum, so it would be best to politely inform him on what you think he is doing or saying wrong, not call him names and talk trash about a notebook manufacturer.

Here's my advice to you: Learn to speak more proper, and polite, and formal ENGLISH. And if you want people to listen and believe you without thinking you are crazy, then learn how not to contradict yourself, like you just did above. If you have anger problems go take an anger management class.

 

I've been thinking about buying a Series 7 for a while now. But, it seems that outside of the Samsung forum, not many people are talking about the Series 7. Why is this?

It, to me, seems like the best quality, reasonably priced, notebook on the market. But, when reading through the 'Holiday Guide 2012' I didn't see it. Is there something I should know about this laptop? Or, what?

 

I hope it is the plastic bottom if it is put together the same way as the previous Z5A. Otherwise, good luck to prying off the metal without damages...

Samsung has had little presence in many overseas market until recently.

 

Thank you my English teacher you just make my day or night I should say. I stand corrected and will not post in this thread anymore. I come here to see if someone write something new on the subject and I spend time to find something new myself and post it here as soon as possible. I don't like to read some peoples conclusion about build quality of a laptop two days after we have seen a few pictures on the web. Probably we are all wrong and next few months and reviews will prove that. Anyway this form is more about people need to express themselves and feel important than about the subject so it's definitely not place for me.

Cheerio!

 

Well, the model we are all excited about, the Series 7 Chronos, is not on the market yet.

Yes, definitely going to need a laptop cooler for gaming, but that's probably a good idea for any laptop. I'm not too concerned about battery life as there is usually an A/C outlet wherever I need to work, and I'm actually glad they got rid of the optical disc as it allows for the chassis to be thinner. Been using my current laptop for a few years without one and at this point I don't use DVDs anymore.

 

Why don't you all chill out. No point getting upset and angry with each other.Its just a bloody laptop for heavens sake.

Get a life. Don't you people have anything else better to do with your lives.

 

Voila
http://youtu.be/6CM1vhH_Zi8
Near the end, the interviewer asks if it's in the market.
The samsung guy responds:
March-April time frame, with a mrsp of around $1699

Edit

At least in Canada, but I would assume same release/similar price in Canada an d the US

 

Seems to be slightly more expensive than the Z5C?

 

If this is true, that would be absolutely amazing. I didn't think it would retail for under $2,000. As someone else stated, all that would be needed now is the release, some reviews, and time for QA issues, and then I'd be one happy customer

I don't mean to fan the flames here, but I feel compelled to add this for the sake of the community. Jinx, I have no idea why people jumped on your back here, I thought you had great insight and opinions, were logical and respectful. I've been around here for a long time (since before my current laptop), but am not an active poster, and all I have to say is I've never once read this kind of response to a poster (although compared to many sites, was quite mild really). I see you're a new poster, and hopefully this hasn't turned you off the site - NBR has provided me with a wealth of notebook knowledge over the years, and has an incredibly helpful and active community. Cheers.