Introducing The 2013 Series 7 Chronos with AMD HD8870M!

I agree, that price would be great, however I was hoping for a release earlier than march/April!
If I'm going to wait 2-4 months, I'll probably just end up waiting 6 months for haswell to come out!

I don't want to bring this thread off topic again, but what do you guys think haswell will bring to laptops that aren't convertibles?

Imagine a laptop similar to the chronos, but with haswell, which would give it like a 15 hour battery life, and with those dual piezo fan-alternatives, which would in turn allow a gpu like a gtx 680m!

What do you guys think? In regards to this laptop, I assume that samsung will create a very similar version, with haswell, and with any of the problems that the chronos has fixed.

And to your second point, this kind of thing is very rare on NBR. I've been here for quite some years now, and have racked up around 6 or 700 posts. I really have learned a lot here, and have had very few frustrating experiences.

 

I'm really curious if there will be enough room for a 2nd HDD or an option to use a mSata SSD so I can have two HDD. I've been looking to upgrade from my MBP Early 2011 but haven't found anything I like to run Ubuntu on.

 

The inevitable technology waiting game... From my very brief understanding, the main benefits of Haswell will be reduced power consumption and better integrated graphics, so I don't see a huge difference in this context. My biggest concern really is the AMD/ATI Enduro issues, which I hope get resolved.

At a manufacturer quoted 8-11.5 hours battery life, we're pretty much already talking all day computing, unless you're really using the laptop for those 8+ hours straight. Sure, more is better, and more reassuring, but I think beyond the low teens is diminishing returns, then really just bragging rights

EDIT: Also, that piezo cooling looks pretty cool, I've never heard of it before. It'll definitely be interesting if they can greatly improve on current laptop cooling.

If this is also true, I find it strange that they would a) even put that low res screen in a 15", and b) water down their "series 7 chronos" brand.

They could have simply upgraded the current 15" Series 7 with a full HD screen, and perhaps adjusted ram and HDD options downward, to separate it from the new premium Series 7. Then we'd see something like the current Series 7 with updated specs and finally a full HD screen at around $1300-$1400, and their new premium, all aluminum, thinner, longer battery life, and maybe add SSD options, at the higher price point. Probably just wishful thinking - Samsung probably considered this and thought most consumers would react as I would, and opt for the cheaper version since all the meat and potatoes would already be there Well played Samsung... hopefully competition fills in the holes in future.

 

Is this legitimate: http://pci34.fishingtree.com/nike2/strategy/700Z7E/?

According to this, it has aluminum casing.

 

No idea what their market share is, but I certainly see about as many samsung laptops in my informal sampling of people typing away at starbucks in the Los Angeles area as I see Sony, Asus, and Lenovo lappies. HP and Apple seem to be the most popular brands.

In my case I had not been tracking this product line before CES as the Series 7 Gamer model is a bit too bulky for my tastes and the the model with Nvidia 640m is not quite enough for gaming at 1080p.

I think as long as there is a market somewhere for massive, bulky desktop replacement laptops, Nvidia and AMD will continue developing flagship mobile GPUs that are incompatible with thin and light form factor laptops.

As for the changes Haswell might bring, I anticipate sufficient advances in the IGP with Haswell or Broadwell to play the majority of AAA games at 1080p with integrated graphics. Of course, as people transition to 4k and 8k displays there will still be a need for discrete GPUs.

EDIT: hadn't heard of piezo cooling jets before, just watched this video about it - who knows, perhaps you are right about them being a game changer for ultrabooks

 

I can't access the link you posted for some reason but the casing is aluminum... at least part of it (keyboard deck + screen casing while the bottom part is plastic)

@ moviemarketing

The hasswell integrated GPU seems to be on par with gt620m... so no 1080p gaming with anti aliasing i,m afraid. Perhaps 1080p with low settings but even that will not be possible on more demanding games. For example in 2013 there will be atleast 2 major titles(dragon age 3 and another one i can,t remember) that will be launched on the Frostbite2 engine(Battlefield engine) wich is very demanding in terms of GPU power. So I wouldn,t really get my hopes up. As Nvidia CEO said when asked if he feels threatened by Intel advances in iGPU to the level of lower end dedicated GPU ...they,ll just make stronger lower end GPU,s.
Also remember Intel is notorious for bad drivers so even if Hasswell by some freak accident of nature turns out to be on par with gt650 let,s say it still won,t be ok for gaming.

Sidenote: thanks for the people supporting me and don,t worry I don,t run away so easily and while I like a nice intelligent debate I think fighting(with insults and namecalling) on the internet is like participating in the paralympics (even if you win you,re still retarded) so I decided to not continue the argument with Jako

 

Maybe it's because of the "?" at the end


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Good observation alfling. I can see it now.

I would take anything written in these types of advertisements and presentations with a grain of salt... if you check the picture of the laptop in that link(it,s a computer generated image not an actual picture) it looks like the display lid is made out of one single sheet of aluminum while in reality it has a piece of what to me looks like plastic at the top(see attached image)


The part about aluminum body also doesn,t make any definite affirmations that it,s 100% aluminum. This kind of advertising is a litlle bit like lying by omission... you don,t actually lie but you don,t tell the whole truth...only the parts that are in your interest.

 

I think that if it was full aluminum they would have well advertised it

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"The new Series 7 incorporates a new software solution RAMaccelerator which provides up to 150% increase in speed for browsing and running apps by taking advantage of the existing memory. On top of 10-point multi-touch capabilities, it comes wrapped in a full aluminum body and packs an Intel Quad-core processor with up to 16GB of memory, up to 1TB of storage, and dedicated 2GB external graphics."

Samsung Presents Enhanced Series 7 Chronos and New Ultrabooks at CES 2013 - HardwareZone.com.sg

 

Could it be possible that Samsung might still have had pre production units out at CES and possible that they could still use full body aluminum?

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Well if the source is reliable then the only logical conclusion would be that of raazman. It does seem weird that in all their computer generated videos and picture the laptop looks one way and the CES model looks different...I'm talking about the top of the screen lid and the sides of the laptop

If it is like this and it will be a full aluminum body with no heating issues then this laptop just went up to the top of my to buy list. However this could bring some bad news also....if the CES pre production model is not the same as the one they will sell then that means that this laptop will be available much later than february since if the body parts are not ready at this point in time it means they still have tons of work to do.

 

Full aluminium body doesn't matter that much for the cooling imo as moving air through fan exhaust probably account for more than 90% of the heat dissipation. I also don't think it's full aluminium because it's just like the first chronos all over again.
Actually only the series 7 ultra seems to have a full aluminium contruction (the bottom is brushed and the sides nearly seamless wherease the chronos is matte plastic or aluminium with obvious seams, no one knows yet for sure).
Anothing thing I noticed about laptops having a fan exhaust in the hinge is that fan noise is directed towards the screen and not the user, it is considerable how louder the fan actually are if you place your head right above the screen rather than where you would be for gaming or typing.
I'd be more interested in knowing if the heatpipes of the laptop are copper instead of any other cheap metal you actually find in most laptops and if the thermal paste is silver instead of placing a bet and praying for an aluminium casing when it comes to cooling down the new AMD GPU ^^

 

You really misunderstood what i said. I am hoping for a full aluminium body for sturdiness. I am also hoping it will not have a heating problem. The 2 are not linked .....these are 2 separate things that i am hoping for.

 

It might be an aluminium chassis (more like a skeleton) in which case having a metal base screwed to it might provide only a modest increase in strength. There might be a rational reason for using a plastic base, such as reduced heat transfer through the base (ie cooler when used as a laptop). We shall find out in due course when the product gets into the hands of users.

John

 

enough with the aluminum crap

 

Lol I agree. This laptop has way more important features than aluminium. 8870m, 11,5 hours of battery life, touch screen(not that appealing to me but perhaps to others), very thin chassis and bezel...

Has anyone seen pictures/videos that are not computer generated of the non touch version with a matte display?

 

You might wait six months for haswell but the real question is how long after that before you see laptop using it corretly ? Look at sandy and ivy....the first round of ultra books were crap...

Should u buy the best of last generation or beta/pilot of next generation ehheh


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Ok I found this in PC Pro , there are models from the new Chrono 7 "M" and "H" . The series 7 Chronos "H" stands for high end and it comes with full aluminum Chassis where as the "M" stands for Medium and it has got an aluminium lid and chassis top only and lower resolution "as well other lower specs"
Samsung Series 7 Chronos review: first look | PC Pro blog

 

I want the ultra!

 

Good to know, thanks for clearing all this up.

Model "H" = "Hit" :thumbsup:

Model "M" = "Miss"

 

I did post this link yesterday! Just with not as nice a summary
:<

 

I wish you could customize the M model, with 1080p screen, i7 and 8870m I'm happy. I'm not willing to pay a lot more for some extra aluminium.

 

Wow if that M model actually goes to the market it could be devastating for Samsung. The last gen Z5C seems to be a much better computer for the price (potentially). However I'm not sold on the M being a "Chronos" model, as it doesn't carry the traditional design. The body looks completely different than the H to be honest, the keyboard area isn't sunk in, and the profile of the laptop is a much straighter wedge than any generation of Chronos. Its aluminum didn't look brushed, and the bezel looks thicker than the current Chronos. Plus that god-awful screen resolution. All just opinion of course.

 

Since obviously design is not at the top of your list of important factors i really don't understand why you are looking at this laptop and why you are bashing on those of us that actually care about design and build choices. This machine is clearly targeted at our segment(design conscious people) and not yours (best performance in a cheap no thrills package)

If you want good performance and customizable options at a good price then you should look on laptops based on clevo barebones. They have tons of customisaation options and good screens.

 

I'm looking at this laptop because of the mobility and performance it offers. Clevo's are powerful but thick and a lot less mobile than the new chronos. The nice build quality is a nice plus, however it is not that important to me as it is to you, and I respect that people care more about esthetics/build quality than the price it comes with. I simply don't mind that it's not fully out of aluminium if that would make it cheaper and I respect that some of you would.

Bashing??? I'm just saying where I would like to see the lower end version chronos going. Sorry for that.

 

Ooops...sorry i just reread your posts. I was under the impression that you where the one that posted the bit about the "enough with the aluminium crap" on the previous page but you just quoted the guy. So I'm sorry it was my bad...this was what I meant by bashing.

In relation to your actual comment on the previous page about more important things on this laptop....the problem is there is not much discussion that can take place on those things....no one has tested the 11.5 hours no one has benchmarked the 8870 ...in fact the only thing about this laptop that people actually got a taste of was the design and build....this is why it is the main topic here. Otherwise this thread would be awfully quiet.

With the risk of repeating myself I would like to say I'm sorry again for confusing your posts and I really hope you get a machine to your liking in the lower end chronos.However while you might be able to get the same GPU i think that the battery life together with the screen would be the first to go in an effort to cut costs(also touchscreen and metal body but you explained you don't care for that anyway). Cheers!

 

No problem.

Yeah you're right I hope they release it soon so we can get some info on the other features that make this laptop an interesting one. The actual prices would be nice to know too, as well as which models will be available because this confuses me a lot.

 

I would assume that the impressive battery life claim is based on dimmest screen, SSD, no wireless devices, nothing significant happening and possibly the Haswell platform. If the battery is in the 80-90WHr range then it's possible. My NP900X4C with 62WHr battery has sometimes told me it can run for 10 hours (but never gets there because of intermittent bursts of higher power consumption). Nonetheless, a claimed 11 hours can translate to 8 hours of light usage which is getting close to all day.

John

 

In one of the links mentioned in this thread it was mentioned in what test that 11.5 hours result is obtained ...I don't remember it right now. The thing is I'm pretty sure it can't be hasswell though since it isn't out yet so it's for Ivy cpu. The rest of your assumptions should be correct though(maybe not necessarily ssd because they didn't announce any such variant).... no wireless minimum brightness and device held in idle.

 

When will this be available in USA?

 

No one really knows.

There was one video where a samsung rep said in the march-April time frame.

 

About Battery life:

About Haswell:
The Haswell Quad Core mobile version have a higher TDP (57/47W) than corresponding Ivy Bridge mobile version (55W/45W).
The big improvement with next architecture is specially for dual core model that will have integrated chipset, embedded RAM for GPU, and more powerful GPU specially for ULV model the will be the the only one that will have the GT3 GPU.

There is a Swiss retailer that have the SSD version:
Distribution AG: Computer > Notebook > Samsung Notebook NP770Z5E Intel Core i7-3635QM

With a Price of 1620€

 

Wow that's a lot for one with a 256gb ssd. But isn't switserland known for high taxes?

Couldn't this mean that you can swap the hdd yourself?

 

My guess is that this is just one of samsung's configurations.

 

Well taking into account the announced price of arround 1400 euro for the base config and the retail value of a 256gb ssd being arround 200 euro I,m actually surprised it,s not even more expensive as normally manufacturers charge more for their parts then if you buy them retail.

 

Its the other way around, the more higher end quad core CPU will have the GT3 with maybe 128 MB dRAM and that is what Apple really wants for their next retina-machine.

 

Ah too bad. It would have been nice to be able to put in your own hdd/ssd.

Oh I thought a 256gb ssd was cheaper. Well, then it's a fair price.

 

Only the dual core ULV will have the GT3, this combination is made for ultrabook.

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Well I don't really understand what spybenj meant by that comment but since I have never heard of proprietary HDD's or soldered HDD's I'm guessing that as long as you can open up the case and have access to the HDD you can swap it out for whatever SSD(of correct size)you want

I agree with MAC. I've read the same information about Hasswell

 

Here is a link of AnandTech's CES coverage of the new samsung. Looks like some good news!

 

Yeah that's what I thought but I read comments of that not being possible with this laptop which I found very weird. I probably misread because I have never heard of a laptop whose hdd wasn't replaceable.

 

I think I misunderstood your earlier post!
I thought you were saying that the site itself was selling a customized version of the series 7 chronos, and that's what I responded to.
Sorry about that!

I would hope that samsung allows us to change the hard drive, and even better to do so without voiding the warranty.
I am new to this world of laptops,the majority of my posts are about sager and MSI laptops, so I don't really know what the norm is warranty-wise for opening up a laptop.

 

Nice found, so PLS is confirmed

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In my case, battery life is not very important for my purchase decision. I never run demanding apps or games on battery and everywhere I go there is an outlet somewhere, even international flights.

My envy only lasts about 1 hr 30 minutes on high performance mode, with the optional slice battery attached and everything dialed down to powersaver mode, dim screen, wireless off, etc., it's about 6 or 7 hours and I never use it.

Hmm, a bit confused about this comment in the article: "The biggest change here is the 1080p PLS touchscreen panel, and a slight amount of added thickness to go with that."

He's talking about the difference between the current gen Chronos (0.94" / 23.9mm thick) and the Chronos "H", which according to the announced specs should be only 0.82" / 20.8mm thick, significantly thinner than the previous gen Chronos. If the announced specs are fudged, that would suck.

 

Maybe he is only referring to the screen and not the overall thickness.

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From my understanding he is talking about the added thickness of the screen...probably because of the touch screen interface... not the added thickness of the entire laptop.

 

Z5E ready, although I wouldn't want a "True To Lie Full HD" screen

I hope the backlit is other colour instead of white.

http://pci34.fishingtree.com/nike2/strategy/770Z5E/

"Faster Than Ever Before

Why waste time waiting to get things done? the New Series 7 CHRONOS runs faster than ever before. With RAMaccelerator* and an Intel® Quad Core i7 processor it loads applications 1.5x faster**, if previously opened, and runs multiple programs without slowing down. It also wakes in 2 seconds** and boots-up in 12 seconds***.

* Powered by Condusiv™ Technologies.
** Compared to only RAM based application loading speed.
*** Speed will vary depending on the CPU and SSD configurations, applications used and wireless settings."

It looks like ExpressCache rebranded?
http://pci34.fishingtree.com/nike2/amazon/770Z5E/

 

IMHO Ram accelerator is a Ram disk.

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