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    Introducing The 2013 Series 7 Chronos with AMD HD8870M!

    Discussion in 'Samsung' started by yknyong1, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. blue13x

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    Decide not take any risk and let the store do the SSD swap for me.

    1.what option of backup/recovery should I use to restore to the SSD.

    2.Wich options do I need to activate in Bios to boot and restore and recover from the thumbdrive.

    3.Will this be a problem with windows activation? Will the windows see this as a new install and be a problem for Windows activation?

    4. Can i install AMD drivers with updated .inf files or is this a case of hybrid intel/amd graphics that I can only get from Samsung?
    Had a Vaio Z and Sony NEVER updated the graphics driver.

    Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note II
     
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    Can you guys try Catalyst 13.2 Beta 7 and see if it works? Beta drivers usually supports more then official releases.
     
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    I'm curious as to what you would use 12gb for?
     
  4. damouk

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    Close lid and it goes to sleep - actually goes to sleep when lid is about 1/2" from closed.
    Opening the lid, I have to press the power button to wake it up, but it's never crashed, just goes straight to the login screen
     
  5. damouk

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    1. Definately use Samsungs recovery, creating a bootable 32gb pen drive. There's some debate about clean installs, but I seem to be getting better performance than others with identical setups who performed a clean install. Also that removes some of the issues you may encounter with features not working when clean installing, which has been mentioned on here.

    2. When you go into bios, you have to set Secure Boot to Disabled, you also have to set Fast boot to Disabled and reboot, then go into BIOS again and pick the recovery media to boot from in the boot menu tab. If the device doesn't appear and you have inserted it correctly you might have to reboot and go into bios a again and re-do it (use the USB 2 ports for both the creation and recovery of the image - it seemed to work quicker for me). Reset both those settings to Enabled after you successfully recover.

    3. No. It's all built into the BIOS now, so you should be good to go straight away, just a few configuration options, like locale, colour preferences, etc and it will be up and running in a few minutes.

    4. Not yet - you can install the beta from AMD, or drivers over Samsung SW Update when they become available. But the GPU is so new, there probably aren't any custom .inf's available for it yet.
     
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    To all the owners of the 8770 or 8870 models:

    Can I ask you to do a wifi test please? There was a time in which such a test would be unnecessary, but Dell XPS 15 L521X proved the opposite :( can you try to run a speed test on speedtest.net right next to the router as a basis for comparison? Then, hold the laptop on your hands and walk away from the router, running other speedtests every few meters, and keep going until you reach the farthest point of your house (even on different floors).
    Then, if possible post here the results please, so we can see if there are strange drops in download/upload speed.
    Thank you in advance to anyone willing to run this test.


    Sent from HTC HD2 with Tapatalk
     
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    Some people were asking questions about Windows 8 Pro as well as doing clean installs on replaced SSD's. If I am not mistaking, not all of those questions were answered so I thought I'd give it a try. I bought the Best Buy (NP780Z5E-S01UB) model. I installed Samsung 840 500G SSD (i.e. not "Pro"). I downloaded "en_windows_8_x64_dvd_915440.iso" OS image from MSDN web site. I am guessing any ISO would be usable here as they usually contain all of the features and only the registration key dictates what features are actually available for the particular install. I used "Windows 7 USB/DVD download tool" to setup a 32Gb USB bootable flash drive. I just happened to have this size drive but it probably would have worked with a smaller one. Sorry - I forgot to check how much space was actually used up after it was ready. Then I plugged this USB drive into the laptop and booted into BIOS - just kept hitting F2 immediately after hitting the power button to turn the laptop on. In order to boot from USB I had to first disable "Fast BIOS Mode" in "Advanced" tab. I also had to disable "Secure Boot" option on "Boot" tab which unhides "OS Mode Selection" underneath. I switched this newly shown option to "CSM and UEFI OS" then went to "Boot device priority" and specified the USB drive as the first option. The installation went through without asking me for a registration key (apparently it used the key embedded into BIOS). As a result I had a virgin Windows 8 install (not Pro). Then I went into "Control Panel\System and Security\System" and selected "Change product key" on the bottom to enter the Windows 8 Pro key I had from my MSDN subscription. The result was Windows 8 Pro clean install on anew SSD. The only downside I can see is that I could not turn back on "Secure Boot" option in BIOS - the OS wold not boot at all. You also cannot return back to "UEFI OS" setting. I installed Samsung's "SW Update" and let it install the necessary drivers and applications skipping those the are no longer necessary since I replaced HDD with SSD and the bloatware. Then I let windows to install all the updates which filled the gaps in terms of drivers too. So far all my testing has shown that all the devices work just fine (WiFI, dGPU, etc.)

    On a different note. I strongly suggest for people who are concerned with the "graininess" complaints not to rely on other people statements and just go and see the laptop at the store (remember - this is Best Buy model I am talking about). The last thing you should rely on is the posted pictures - due to lighting, JPEG compression artifacts, lens aberration, etc. it is next to impossible to distinguish between the screen and the image imperfections. Only you can be the judge of this kind of stuff by observing it in person. Otherwise you are running the risk of doing yourself a disservice.

    One more note: Intel virtualization (VT-x) is supported by BIOS - I have not tried to use it yet, though.
     
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    Great post, thank you!! Bookmarked. To disable "Fast BIOS Mode" means disabling UEFI?
     
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    I think im not going the clean install route...quad core and a minimum of 8gb ram it should be able to handle the samsung stuff. You can always uninstall the junk.

    A clean install sometimes has the downside that stuff doesnt work.

    Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note II
     
  11. John Smyth Jr.

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    "Fast BIOS Mode" is a separate setting that controls whether you can customize some other BIOS settings related to boot. Specifically, once "Fast BIOS Mode" is disabled, "Secure Boot" setting can be disabled as well after which "OS Mode Selection" setting shows up and "OS Mode Selection" can be changed to one of three:
    * "CSM OS"
    * "UEFI OS"
    * "CSM and UEFI OS"

    Also, disabling "Fast BIOS Mode" makes the interval during boot when F2 can be hit a little longer thereby slowing down the boot sequence a bit - hence the name for this setting.

    I suspect you will be able to upgrade by going to "Control Panel\System and Security\System" and selecting "Change product key" on the bottom to enter the Windows 8 Pro key.
     
  12. alfling

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    Ok thank you. So, if I understand correctly, following your procedure I'm still using UEFI and thus I may still brick the laptop booting linux or linux based software?

    Sent from HTC HD2 with Tapatalk
     
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    so, if I want change immediately the HDD with an SSD, for a clean Install I have to disable "Fast Bios Mode" and only later, i can disable Secure Boot... right ? (I can't disable Secure Boot without disabling before Fast Bios ?)
     
  14. John Smyth Jr.

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    correct - in fact the comments in the BIOS itself tell you what to do on the right had side
     
  15. Alchemist

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    Virtual Machines and 3d scene and animation rendering mainly. I have VMs configured for different development setups and might be running multiple VMs at any given time.
     
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    As I stated in my steps I had to change to "OS Mode Selection" setting to "CSM and UEFI OS" value. If I am not mistaking, this means that the BIOS will basically allow yo to boot whatever OS it happens to find while iterating the configured boot devices sequence. I believe you should be able to boot Linux. I believe what you are referring to is an issue in Samsung BIOS that seemingly allowed you to turn UEFI off but was "bricking" the machine on attempt to boot Linux because of the bug in this BIOS code that did not "really" turn UEFI off. It seems that they have addressed the issue because I was able to boot into Windows 8 Pro even when I switched that setting to "CSM OS". But this is, of course, just my speculation.
     
  17. fingerbib

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    So if you were to again do a clean install of (regular, not pro) Win 8, do you think you would be able to once again get the Secure boot option in BIOS?
     
  18. John Smyth Jr.

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    The bottom cover has to be pushed inwards and the rim of the case has to be pushed outwards to disengage the tabs.

    Don't know for sure and I am not willing to try :)

    I believe the secure option basically allows manufacturers to "marry" the BIOS of the machine to the particular version of the OS they install ensuring that BIOS cannot be fooled into booting something else. If you want to use a different OS the "marriage has to be annulled" by turning off secure boot and then you are basically back to pre-windows-8 wild wild west where BIOS is happy to boot whatever it can find. If my guess is correct, then by returning back the original OS you can turn the "marriage" back on and live happily ever after. Again - just a conjecture.
     
  19. kmann1994

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    Hey Alchemist or any owners of the Chronos currently, I've got a question for you:

    Is the lid on the computer magnetic? Meaning, does it snap down and stay closed when you cose the lid? My MBPr has a magnet and it's really nice to have the lid kept down. I really hope the Chronos has this!
     
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    I've buyed the 770Z5E, without any serious review about the quality screen of this 15" non touch version... hope that will reveal near an IPS or something...
    Also, there isn't yet any serious test on throttling in this 15"...
    But the hype was too high, and seeing finally available has deleted all my concern.
    Hope that I won't regret after I will receive it !!!
    I have also a Spyder4, with that i can calibrate the screen and give you official data about the RGB covering etc.... Stay tuned ;)
     
  21. damouk

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    No, no magnet or if there is, it's not very strong. But, the spring/mechanism that holds the lid is pretty damned strong, if you hold the laptop upside down by the base, the lid only opens by a few mm (about 1/8th of an inch for Americans). So a magnet may not really be necessary.
     
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    do you think that the monclick product is reliable? because i want to order it but i'm not so sure if it is the only site that offer it :(
     
  23. m4ssnet

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    Well I hope so, i've already ordered hahahah
    Monclick it's one of the most biggest one, and that price was the cheapest...
    Also, in italy, it's the only store that today it's available :)

    Inviato dal mio GT-I9300 con Tapatalk 2
     
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    Samsung support confirmed to me today that the Graphics driver for the AMD Radeon™ HD 8770M Series GPU is NON functioning[ actually, its ALL 8000 series drivers] in the Samsung NP780Z5E model. The driver will only work once AMD has released an update to Samsung. It is being held up by a problem with Windows 8 compatibility. They do NOT have a time estimate on resolving this. So if you buy one, the intel graphics card is all you get for now! Feel free to call them to confirm it!
     
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    Getting sick of this two thread thing, but that's simply wrong.
    Exciting news, my 8770m version came in a day early, and I'll have it within 2 hours!
     
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    Well as usual samsung support isn't exactly on the ball. Its quite possible, even likely that better drivers will be coming down the line which will enhance the performance of the 8000 series GPUs on windows 8. That said, the 8770m is definitely being used and getting 650m like performance. Ive run lots of benches with both the hd4000 alone and with the 8770m and the 8770m is definitely alot faster and makes the system run harder/hotter so its definitely being used.
     
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    btw, a few posts back someone asked about what I would use 12gb of ram for... well I haven't upgraded yet but will definitely be shortly after doing a 3d rendering this morning. Memory peaked at about 7.5gb in use and the proccessor sat at 3.19ghz 100% utilizing for the duration of the render. The render engine i was using separates the render into blocks and assigns each available thread a block... so all cores / threads are in use during this process.

    This wasn't one of my bigger scenes, it wouldnt have been hard to eat up another few gb with textures, so ill definitely be updating to 12gb if i keep this or 16gb if i get one that can do that much.
     
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    there's no magnet on the lid. hold it sideways (like i do when i carry it) and you can see the lid wiggle a little bit. it's being held there by the spring mechanism, that takes both hands to open or else the bottom of the laptop comes up with it!

    i know next to nothing about rendering programs, but curious to know if you thought any throttling occurred? anything get warm?
     
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    What about ram upgrade. You have 4gb soldered on the mb.
    1. if you add an uneven amount like a stick of 8gb wouldnt it cause problems with performance? I know that it in dual channel theres a performance increase, but would adding a higher capacity on another stick cause lower performance?

    2.Arent there any 16gb or 12gb sticks?

    Sent from Samsung Galaxy Note II
     
  30. mandorla

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    just ordered the NP770z5e no touch.. the site say it will be in my hands at least in 3 days... i hope so... now i have to think about the SSD ( and a bag for the university XD )
     
  31. Alchemist

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    The fan came on fairly strong yet still quiet, I didn't have any detailed logging, just task manager... it stayed at 3.19ghz with all threads going and the processor at 100% utilization for 99.9% of the time. I did notice the processor show its speed lower than 1ghz for a second one time then returned to 3.19. Btw as threads completed and didn't have any more blocks to render the cpu clock went up at bit hitting 3.36 as the last thread completed.

    This task is 100% CPU though... it uses the processor for all the rendering and the hd4000 for the preview of the scene you or working one. So it doesn't tax the GPU at all. I suppose I could set it as high performance to see what effect that might have on heat but haven't tried that so far.
     
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    Shall I ask Mods to shut the other thread? Or merge the posts into this one? It seemed a good idea when this thread started becoming a slanging match, but that seems to have stopped in the main!

    And/Or do we need an "Owners Lounge" thread instead?


    Do you have your 8770m Chronos yet? what do you think?
     
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    I'm leaving to pick it up from bestbuy in like 15 minutes,
    It's 20 minutes away, and I need to buy a few other things to.
    I'll probably be home with it by 6EST

    Re the other thread, I think we should get them merged if possible.
    Or, if not, having it become an Owner's lounge makes sense. But having two threads for speculations isn't needed, especially as, as you said, this thread no longer is full of arguing
     
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    Hmm...I guess that's good then. I can say that my Macbook lid doesn't move at all though, no matter how much you move it or hold it when it's closed.
     
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    My experience may help. I too upgraded from a T61p (admirable, except for screen) to the "Best Buy" Chronos, 7805XE, with the 8770 card, so I have the less powerful GPU. I will use the machine for processing histological and radiological images. The screen was my first consideration. I has the best I've seen on a laptop, great resolution, great angles, decent color space. Downside, it's glossy, but I've already adapted. Touchscreen is VERY handy for manipulating images, and I hope it will prove useful for annotations (I understand Microsoft has a more precise touchscreen by design in it's Surface, but....)
    This machine is just portable enough to use as presentation/collaboration, and to bang out some work remotely.
    The RAM limitation is an issue. 12GB is just enough, barely, and with an SSD, I should be able to stretch out a bit for large volumes. 16 or 20 would be ideal, but I'm going to make do with 12 unless the 8870 comes out with a similar screen and price.
    Processor is very quick, and with the 8770, handles common renderings with ease.
    I am going to try to use it as a DT replacement, hooking up to a large Dell 2560x1440 monitor with HDMI, and another monitor (either WACOM, or small monitor) with VGA. So three monitors including the Chronos.
    Works great, but the VGA out is weak choice, but the HDMI out drives the Dell fine for still images, but is limited to 30hz. This may a problem with the monitor, but I won't know til Saturday whether a HDMI to DVI cable can fix this. But running at 30hz looks pretty swell for videos, so it's not a deal breaker.

    update: trying new high speed HDMI/DVI-D dual cables didn't help. Updating the Intel driver got it to 41hz, using either cable (HDMI/HDMI or HDMI/DVI). I'm happy enough for now, but hope to get to 60hz at some point.

    Samsung is not Lenovo regarding design and support. The qwerty part of the keyboard is fine, but it's offset from center, and the function key layout is for looks first. Grouping the ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdn keys in a single row, with no divides, is crippling coming from the Lenovo. Drivers are a concern, but the 8770 seems to perform well enough out of the box.

    The perfect laptop is not yet here, but this one is closer than most, for this price, now.
    Cheers.
     
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    I haven't caught any posts about issues with CSS on WIN8 on Samsung machines. It's a real problem for me, on the Chronos 8705ZE "Best Buy" machine. Chrome and FF. OEM OS for now (haven't changed anything much, yanked Norton and some other bloat)
    Driving me crazy. I found the following thread, but looks to be a Samsung issue. So, do those with a fresh install of WIN8 or WIN8pro have any problems.
    Surely others are experiencing this...

    Windows 8 and CSS problems (FF 16 & 17) | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support
     
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    I just ordered it from that site and instantaneously the price jumped up by 50€!!
    Just for information, may I ask you what was the price initially?

    By the way, google has some coupons for a 5% discount which really help reducing the price.

    PS: A big thank you! I owe you a beer :D
     
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    If anyone who owns this laptop is having problems with Wifi, particularly 5G, with this laptop, I've found that there are drivers available for this chipset from Intel.com which are newer than any available from either Samsung or Microsoft and replaces the Pro-Set Wireless Wifi drivers. So far, this has fixed all the problems I've experienced with Wifi.
     
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    It seems that price is dropping very rapidly, I have found 770Z5E for 1200€, but it still overpriced if compared with 780Z5E from Currys/PC World.
    Before to buy one I want to know the price of touch screen version, I don't think that touch screen should be useful on a 15.6" laptop, but if could have for few money maybe I could buy the touch screen version.
    Has someone seen a 16GB or 12GB (8GB soldered) models in Europe?
     
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    It seems that Monclick Coupons 5% are only for PC desktop so is it possible to use even for notebook?
    I have just read that someone has paid 1185€ (from Monclick) with a coupon, so is it exist even a coupon near to 10%?
    Strangely Monclick prise is just rise up of 50€ now price is 1299€.

    Edit: I have made some count 1185€ is old price of Monclick (1248) - 5% = 1185€
    So now it's not more possible.
     
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    Thanks for that - good to know.

    How do you find adjusting to the shallow, chiclet keyboard coming from the lenovo?

    Also, do you have any idea how the 2 ghz duel core i7 compares to the 2 ghz core 2 duo I have in my T60 - and is it likely to feel very laggy in relation to the i7 quad core 2.4?
     
  42. princeofalberta

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    According to Samsung Support, in Italy Samsung will not release any touchscreen version of Chronos..
     
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    Yeah mac, i confirm that.
    No problem for the hint, hope now to receive it asap!!!

    Ps. Yes world, italy have np770z5e available ^o^

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    I don't believe to what Samsung support says, to evidence that they usually wrong just read what they have said about 8770m driver or that this notebook will be out in April in Italy.
    I think will be out at the same time that Germany and France will have their

    Also, this is 780Z5E Italian presentation, he even says that bottom is aluminum :nah:
    (We know that he wrong)

     
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  46. black83

    black83 Notebook Consultant

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    Yay, Amazon.de shipped my 7705ZE, it's already trackable.
    Damn that snow which started to fall today, it doesn't stop :(
     
  47. alfling

    alfling Notebook Deity

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    To the owners: do you think it's possible that the bottom of the notebook is made of glass fiber composite? It would be definitely more shock resistant than a common polymeric plastic
     
  48. Ansap

    Ansap Notebook Enthusiast

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    Not bad, it's a bit spread out (for my average+ hands) and there is less tactile feedback, but it is becoming fluid with practice. Just enough travel, resistance, and sound to make it quite workable. Solid.
    I think the Lenovo keyboard is perfect, with a mind reading autopilot... But this one is quite nice, but the layout is frustrating. Perhaps you could recommend an external that might pair well either a mini-USB dongle thing (like logitech), or perhaps Bluetooth?
    I think you just have to wait for your brain to rewire, and things will be fine.

    The model 8705XE keyboard doesn't have any indicator lights, no dedicated buttons, but WIN8 taskman seems to work well, when it finally comes up...

    I think the dual core i7 is ~3 times as fast, and the quad core ~5 times as fast (based on this benchmark), as a T60 T7550 core 2 duo.
    I would imagine the i7 duo would feel laggy, all things equal, as those extra cores/threads come in handy. Especially for windows (my opinion is based on WIN7). WIN8 seems tolerable, but I haven't compared CPUs on it. .

    Passmark
    Intel Core i7-3537U @ 2.00GHz 3892
    Intel Core i7-3635QM @ 2.40GHz 5734
    Intel Core2 Duo T7500 @ 2.20GHz 1256

    PassMark - CPU Benchmarks - List of Benchmarked CPUs
     
  49. princeofalberta

    princeofalberta Notebook Guru

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    Wait, isn't a Samsung Support worker that says this thing, it's the Samsung Support Download Page that says there are three different italian versions:
    -NP770Z5E-S01IT
    -NP770Z7E-S01IT
    -NP770Z7E-S02IT

    If you look many online e-commerce you can find these models, but there isn't any mention about the touchscreen version (for example NP780Z5E-S01IT)..

    Here's the link: Assistenza Samsung

    Here's an image of the page: http://oi46.tinypic.com/24zj961.jpg

    I think that in Italy a touchscreen version of Chronos won't be released..
     
  50. black83

    black83 Notebook Consultant

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    Same why 14 inch series 9 are cheaper than 13 inch series 9.
    14 inch has a TN panel, 13 inch has pls panel.

    For new chronos it's TN panel for 17 inch and MVA ? for 15.
    Also 17 inch buttons are plastic, like the old model.
     
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