No successor to Ativ Series 9 / Book 9 15 inch screen model (NP900X4C/D)?

Its pity to say but 900X4C is still better notebook then Dell XPS 15.
I was also waiting for it ,but when i saw 64 Celsius on bottom part of notebook while its load and worst battery life then 900x4c i drop it from my list.
And what make me even more confused is how they at Acer manage to keep so cool their new tiny Aspire S7 .
20 digress less then XPS and 10 less then 900X4C and 900X3C

 

I am in desperate need of a new computer, I am forced to use my gf's 2008 mbp (I swear it's a dinosaur). It struggles just to play a youtube video and I really don't like the operating system (I've been using it for months, and though I've gotten used to it, I still don't like it).

Fortunately (or unfortunately), my limited funds have forced me to wait to buy a computer. I have been eagerly waiting and keeping an eye out for a 15" ATIV Book after the announcement of the 13.3". I even have it in my Google news feed now. I was going to go with the XPS 15 (and I still might), but I recently realized that I could really use Samsung's Sidesync. In fact, that feature (if it works the way I expect it to) is important enough for me to buy a Samsung laptop even with lower specs than the XPS 15.

CES is right around the corner. I am hoping and praying that Samsung releases a powerhouse. Something to match or crush the XPS 15 and MBP. Here are my ideal specs:

15.6" 3200 x 1800 QHD+ multitouch display
i7-4702HQ
nVidia GTX 700M series GPU (preferably 765 or above)
1TB 840EVO mSATA SSD
16GB of RAM (DDR5 if you can swing it )
Thunderbolt
HDMI out
USB3.0
1080p webcam
Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 Plus Bluetooth 4.0
8+ hr battery life
Less than 5lbs

Needless to say... I want a monster. I'm hoping that they were waiting on their newly released 1TB SSD for the 15", but we will soon find out.

Here's hoping Samsung shows something at CES with a release date soon to follow.

 

I would be happy if Samsung refreshes the 15" with "just" an FHD IPS/PLS matte screen, dedicated GPU, and Haswell processor of course. Make the SSD/RAM user upgradable and I'm buying one in a heartbeat. Don't think it's gonna happen though. Too bad because Samsung seems to be the only company able to rival Apple quality with their 9 series. Samsung, come on!! don't make me switch to Mac!

 

I agree Daymon, although I REALLY want a super high res screen, I can survive without it (I've been spoiled by my gf's work MBP with retina display, that screen is gorgeous).

I just can't figure out why they wouldn't do one. I mean, if they wait until CES, I can understand that, but if nothing shows up during CES, then I'm completely baffled.

 

That sort of monster belongs in this thread about a Series 7 Chronos / Book 8 successor but even that isn't likely to have a 130W CPU. The 37W i7-4702HQ is likely to be the upper limit in a slim chassis while any direct replacement for the X4C / X4D (the subject of this thread) is likely to have a 15W CPU.

We wait to see hat, if anything, Samsung has to offer at CES. If their stall is empty then I would wonder whether they consider that there are better profits to be made in other technology sectors or as a contract manufacturer (we know they are capable of good hardware, the problems are with the software).

John

 

Ah, you're right John. I didn't even realize the power of that CPU (I looked at the list quickly). Your suggested CPU is far better suited. Either way, I just want quad core with 3.4+ GHz.

 

Just had this conversation with Samsung USA on Facebook 10 minutes ago. Take from it what you will... I'll be watching closely once CES rolls around. :thumbsup:

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I really hope they dot putt dedicate graphic in new ATIV Book 9 .It would cut in half battery life and warm up already warm notebook.If you guys want graphic you should look Chronos series 7 .

 

I couldn't disagree more. In my opinion, to have such a high resolution without a discreet card is a crime. It would be great if they come out with such an option, but if it were me in charge, I would only allow a FHD screen in a 15" without discreet GPU. I would have actually considered the 13" seriously if it had a discreet GPU. That's like getting an HDTV and only connecting SD cable to it. What's the point? Further, the Chronos Series 7 specs are sub-par in comparison to the current trends (not even FHD).

 

Hey guys,

Thx for all these information during the past week. I think i have a good news for you !!! (and for me)

On one of the best french website for geek and stuff i have found this today :

This new model offers a 15.6-inch screen with a Full HD (1920 x 1080) resolution, a Core i7-4500U processor or i5-4200U with 8GB RAM, HD Graphics 4400 GPU, a 256GB or 128GB SSD, Bluetooth APT -X or a range of 14h. Beyond specifications, the big news comes from its design since it is inspired by the Galaxy Note 3, ie with a hull in white or black faux leather. A follow.

Link with a pics : Le nouveau Samsung ATIV Book 9 2014 Edition avec le design du Galaxy Note 3

And source in Korean Seeko.co.kr - ¹Ì´Ï±â±â °Ô½ÃÆÇ


Enjoy !!

 

Thanks for the information Ditwelve!

This is promising news. In my opinion though, this is a low spec model. I hope they have a decked out configuration. Also, just my opinion, but I am NOT feeling the faux leather and white color. It's fine on the phone and tablet, but a laptop? Goodness I hope they have a sleek silver version like their other offerings.

 

I would like to add a 17.3 inch (with the same specs and no DVD/Blue Ray or at least make it optional to give the consumer a choice not to have one included)

Also, I would settle for a 128SSD, 256SSD or a 500SSD + a HDD 500, 750 (7500RPM)

Personally I don't think any of those above specs or the ones I added is to much to ask for in 2013 er actually CES 2014 (for any manufacturer)

 

Have you looked at the ATIV Book 8? That's the lightweight powerhouse you might consider.

- For now it only has a 15.6" 1080p
- Currently has Ivy Bridge Core i7-3635QM
- GPU: either a HD 8870M or HD 8770M depending where you live
- Only comes with 1 TB HDD but you can replace it with a SSD
- Don't know if it support 16 GB, standard is 8 GB (and DDR5 doesn't exist yet)
- No windows laptop has thunderbolt. That only exists on Apple notebooks.
- HDMI and USB3 are standard for modern laptops
- Webcam is only 720p
- Has only Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6235 which has WiFi 802.11 a/b/g/n and Bluetooth
- Battery life is 10+ hours when surfing WiFi
- 5.24 lbs

 

No windows laptop has thunderbolt. That only exists on Apple notebooks

I think HP Z Book line or one theirs is Thunderbolt-equipped Also, I believe a ASUS gaming Notebook is Thunderbolt-equipped. I'm not sure about a Sony notebook I would have to check.

I don't think Thunderbolt 2 is equipped on any notebook it's now on the New Apple Mac Pro.

 

See this post for what looks like a 15.6" Series 9.

John

 

Thats not good at all, I was hoping to get a 15" Samsung with a high res screen. Cash in hand. I'm using 13" Series 9 right now and would love to upgrade. The 1600x900 res is killing me. I had 13" Sony Z2 with 1920x1080 before this one and while it was a bit small to read in some cases it allowed for much more desktop space. I guess I will wait till spring to see if anything interesting pops up and continue watching this thread.

Looking at the Dell XPS15 but the solid state hard drive is only offered in the $2349 version although it does come with 16GB RAM, NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M 2GB and 15.6" 3200 x 1800 screen and comes in at 4.44lbs. The only thing I like about the Asus UX51VZ is the keyboard with the keypad. Its a great use of the space although the screen is 'only' 2880 x 1620 Very disappointed with Samsung not yet out with a nice upgraded 15" options for the holidays

 

I'm with you dariusf, am really hoping for an XPS 15/MBP competitor. We'll see what CES has to offer.

This definitely looks like a step below. Lower spec and heavier... Definitely not very appealing as is.

 

QuantumPSI, I don't think you got my post. So I'll repeat myself: the ATIV Book 9 is not what you're looking for. It's an ultrabook. It's thin, but it's not a powerhouse that will fit your needs. And there are multiple versions of the Series 7 Chronos; some one them do have a 1080p screen.

dariusf, please check out the Series 7 Chronos/ATIV Book 8 and see if it fits your needs.

Despite the confusing naming scheme, this CPU isn't actually a "monster".
Intel Core i7 4960HQ Notebook Processor - NotebookCheck.net Tech

They actually managed to squeeze this 3.8 GHz "monster" into a 47 W package. I'm assuming this CPU is intended to replace the i7-3840QM, the 3.8 GHz Ivy Bridge part, but I don't know why they gave it such a high model number.

 

But it is a monster in the context of a thin ultrabook. The fan in my X4C gets noisy when the 17W CPU gets up to full speed. I'd need earplugs to defend against the noise of it trying to cool a 47W CPU. The thicker Series 7 / Book 8 have room for fans better able to move the required volume of air.

John

 

Bitech, believe me, I hear what you're saying, but I don't think you're understanding me either. Believe me when I say, I know where to look for a true monster (I had one, was the most powerful laptop you could buy at the time). When I say "monster", I don't mean all out performance period, rather, I mean the all out performance in an ULTRABOOK. Having used a MBP and knowing what I'm going to use this computer for, an ultrabook is what I want, however, I want the most powerful ultrabook that is available. If I truly wanted all out performance, none of samsung's offerings would appeal to me in the least (nor would the XPS 15, or MBP).

Believe me, I understand what you're saying, but the ultrabook form factor is top priority for me.

 

thanks for the recommendation, I never took a good look of anything lower then series 9. I do not see 15" offer in series 7. In series 8 all I see on Samsung website is one option and its heavy at 5.6lb and no SSD which is a must for me. I will never buy another notebook with mechanical hard drive

I moved to Samsung Series 9 13" NP900X3C-A03US from Sony Vaio Z2 which came in at 2.57lb (i7-2620M 2.70 GHz, 1920x1080, 6GB, 2x 128BG Solid State Drives in RAID 0) so the series 8 is almost twice as heavy, a brick I understand that going to 15" screen I will have to live with more weight but no more then 4lb.

I want to sell both Sony Z2 and Series 9 (also selling my old Sony X ) and get one machine that is quicker, more memory (8+gb) at least 1920x1080 in 15" form factor (in 13" its just too small for high res), around 3.5lb, thin, and good battery life along with solid build and design.

I'm not happy with Sony build. The Z2 cost me $2250 back in 2011 and while it looks slick and very stylish the design is not very user friendly with lots of sharp edges and not solid feel at all. Way too much flax all over and the touch pad sucks big time. The battery life is also quite poor although I have the extra sheet extended battery which is a nice option for traveling, but on the other hand it kills portability and weight benefits.

I love the screen resolution of the Z2 @ 1920x1080, its screen is just breath taking (although it suffers from Sony's over saturation). Its a huge improvement in desk space but on a 13" screen its just getting painful for my eyes after some use in the day. I use my notebook for development and need as much room as I can get while still staying in light thin setup. I do connect to two 24" monitors in the home office but a lot of work I do on the go on the train or away from my office. I think that 15" @ 1920x1080 is the ticket

I guess I have to wait and see....

 

The only alternative I could consider was the Dell XPS 15 Touch

Util I watched some videos of it....

Three idiotic design decisions

1) No numpad and all this wasted space. Look at Asus ZenBook UX51VZ-XB71 to get a clue how to take advantage of the space. Not that the Asus has anything else going for it I mean what are you going to use that wasted space for? to keep a cup of coffee on or put stickers there?

Only thing I could think of is put some velcro tape on both sides of the keyboard and stick a portable headphone amplifier with build in USB DAC, not a bad idea and some small size bluetooth trackball on the other side )))))

2) Glossy screen, now let me understand this, the notebook is $2350 and QHD resolution which apparently is not your normal game / movie / internet playing customer. One would think that the target customer is a professional like a programmer, graphic designer or video producer etc.. These are precise uses where YOU DO NOT WANT a glossy screen.

3) Where is the Ethernet port? did dell ran out of room to add one? I would think that the precise target customer would have a wired network and want to take advantage of it when needed. Yes I know I can get USB NIC but why would I want to add another device hanging from the side and carry it around? Now to be fair Samsung S9 with its cable adapter is not that much better in that respect....

ok time to hit the weights and cool of a bit

 

The ATIV Book 8 is as close to a powerful ultrabook as you can get. It's up there with the XPS 15 and Macbook Pro. This notebook is 23mm thin, which is considered ultrabook-thin by Intel's specifications: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ultrabook-Intel-3rd-Generation,22914.html
If this isn't even close to what you want, then you're asking for way too much from current ultrabooks and will sorely be disappointed after CES 2014. Modern electronics are heading towards thinness, lightweight form factor and battery life, not performance.

I recommended you the ATIV Book 8 because it's the only Samsung 15" notebook that comes close to your ideal specs. The ATIV Book 9/Series 9 laptops were always exclusively 1cm-thin ultrabooks (meaning it can't handle a quad-core or a discrete GPU). The 15" ATIV Book 9 is no different; Samsung is keeping the thinness for the ATIV Book 9's. The ATIV Book 8 is closest to the most power you can get in ultrabook form factor (it's >1" thin and a little above your 5 lb limit).

So what's the problem? Is it too heavy? Not powerful enough?

Going ultrabook requires some sacrifices. The 15" ATIV Book 8 I recommended has almost everything, including Ethernet, and a full-keyboard! Also the glossy screen is the result from having the touchscreen, which is optional on the ATIV Book 8.

 

Without taking any side in the valid discussion of what comprises reasonable expectations for an ultrabook, I have to ask you both to please keep your tone respectful and avoid unnecessary provocation. Even when we disagree, that's how we do things here.

The first paragraph of our forum rules specifically states:

Thank you in advance. Now please carry on.

Update: Much better already after the edits. Thank you

 

Bitech (lol I'm glad I proofread cause my phone changed that to something else), I hear what you're saying and I'm familiar with the ATIV Book 8. What turns me off from it is the screen resolution and the weight, hence why the XPS is still my choice for the time being. Frankly, I don't really care about how thin it is, insomuch as I care about the weight. Further, I know I can upgrade the RAM and HDD to SSD, but I would really prefer not to, and instead purchase a computer that has 16GB and SSD as stock. And no, I'm not afraid to do this, I've just reached the point where I would prefer to spend my time on other things than upgrading, rooting, hacking my electronics. I'll do it if absolutely necessary, but will avoid it if I can.

 

would be nice if Samsung (or for that matter any vendor/manufacturer) produces a 17 inch with these specs

15.6" 3200 x 1800 QHD+ multitouch display
i7-4702HQ
nVidia GTX 700M series GPU (preferably 765 or above)
1TB 840EVO mSATA SSD
16GB of RAM (DDR5 if you can swing it )
Thunderbolt
HDMI out
USB3.0
1080p webcam
Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 Plus Bluetooth 4.0
8+ hr battery life
Less than 5lbs

And again I would settle for 128,256 or a 512 SSD in combination with a 500, 740 or 1TB HHD (preferably 7200 at least for the 500GB HHD)

I would be fine with a 4 or 5hr battery life and somewhere between 5lb and 8lbs

NO DVD drive or a choice between having one or not

Thunderbolt would be good, Thunderbolt 2 would be even better but I would settle with 4 USB 3.0 ports or 1 Thunderbolt and 3 USB 3.0 ports ( I don't think 3.1 will be available for sometime I guess)

DDR5 eh doesn't have to be that for me

oh and I can do without the multitouch display (keeping with the 3200 x 1800 QHD display of course)

Again at a 2014 CES (or sometime in 2014) that 17 inch notebook is reasonable because we already have a couple of 15.6 inch display screens with some of those specs

 

They might show something at CES but note that not everything shown at the last CES has been available to buy. Moving up the display size is one way to fend off tablets encroaching on sales although some potential purchasers would opt to buy a smaller notebook and use an external display.

However, the structural engineering challenges of producing thin and light notebooks increase in proportion to the square of the dimensions. A display that is strong enough to avoid damage then has to be counter-balanced by enough weight at the print of the chassis to stop the notebook tipping over backwards.

John

 

Thanks for the information John!

 

I thought it was good news too but the spec and the weight is disappointing. Why 3.92Ibs for just Intel HD Graphics, 0.5 Inch additional screen and still dual core processor? What caused the weight to increase? I was hoping that Samsung will even reduce the weight when they manage to release a new 15 inches series 9, which is taking ages. I would have happily carried 3.92Ibs laptop with dedicated graphics or quad cores or 8 cores processors but now, it is unattractive option for me. Did they add touch on a giant 15.6 Inches screen? Then Samsung don't know the ergonomics of touch screen.

One more fear and doubt. Did they improve the screen to IPS?

 

Completely agree Andex. Looks good, but spec wise, nowhere close to the 13" or other 15" machines on the market. My fingers are still crossed for CES next week.

 

Not looking good

Samsung Notebook: Samsung Electronics to Release New Chromebook Next Year | BusinessKorea

 

We don't have to wait long to find out what, if anything, is revealed at CES.

The "new" models that have surfaced in the past few weeks are Haswell upgrades so Samsung may not consider them to be new. If would be a pleasant surprise if a Haswell version of the X4 with an IPS / PLS display quietly appeared although there's no indication of that happening. The only other tweaks needed to what is a good design is to change the mini VGA to min DisplayPort and provide a slot for a security lock.

John

 

Yes ,x4 with screen from x3 ooooo,yessssssss

Is that so hard

 

The switch from a 15.0 to a 15.6 inch screen makes me hope that this is finally an IPS/PLS panel.

Gesendet von meinem Nexus 7 mit Tapatalk

 

That's rather strange (and disappointing) considering the style and x4c...

Maybe (hopefully) they're just referring to the chromebooks.

 

Purported ATIV Book 9 Style and ATIV Book 9 2014 Edition Pictures

Link: Purported ATIV Book 9 Style and ATIV Book 9 2014 Edition Pictures

 

It came to my mind ,what happened here is just like with chocolate.
They reduced grams but keep same price.Same thing happened whit notebooks ,they manage to reduced inch's and keep same price.

 

Welp, today is the day. Let's see who will get my money in the next few weeks, Samsung or Dell...

 

We might learn something after 2pm Las Vegas time.

John

 

Well, the ATIV Book 9 2014 looks like will be making its debut today (source: Samsung CES 2014 (go through the pictures)). A bit disappointed in the lack of keypad though, but I can manage. Further, based on this ( Hands On With the Samsung ATIV Book 9 2014 Edition |IT News Digest, Biz Listings & Community), the resolution will be QHD+. All that's left for me are the internals. Honestly, if it's the same as the Plus, I may seriously consider it, but the GPU may be a deal breaker, we'll see. Fingers are crossed for a discreet GPU.

If they came out with a 17" inch with my desired specs, then I'd cave and go larger lol.

 

Thanks for the link to samsungces.

I attach the press release to save people having to look for it. View attachment [Samsung_Factsheet]_Samsung_ATIV_Book9_2014_Edition.pdf

FHD, dual SSD, 374.3 x 249.9 mm (no thickness given). It weighs 1.85kg but claims 14 hours on battery - it needs some weight at the front to keep it stable.

John

 

Samsung_Factsheet thanks John
Man i cant believe ,that is exactly what i been looking for all this time.I just cant believe finally i will come back to 15,6".
This will 100% come to market because its not some kind mambo jumbo thing.
I started to look Macbook Pro 15" but after this there is hope.
14 hours battery life?I would be more then happy to have X4 battery life.

 

Wow... seems like the perfect machine for me

 

Shame there is no displayport or thunderbolt though.

 

Thanks for the info John.

Glad to see some people happy about this release. Unfortunately though, I think I may have to pass on it. No QHD+, touchscreen, and GPU are deal breakers for me. Unless there's another secret release, this isn't gonna do it for me. Looking like the XPS 15 for me :hi2:.

I'm half hoping for a 2014 Plus model lol

 

If it really has intel HD4400 graphics only I'll pass too.

 

Damn, why did they increase the size from 15 to 15.6"? The former was perfect.
Old: 356.9 x 237.0 mm
New: 374.3 x 249.9 mm

 

Wouldn't be so bad if they had a QHD+ screen in it, THEN they could justify it a little bit lol.

 

To fit a high quality panel? Maybe there is no 15" FHD IPS/PLS panel...

 

It's Samsung. Can't they "just" make it? After all, they are the world leader in displays right?! lol