Samsung ATIV Book 9 Plus - NP940X3G

7.5 hours of battery life with MM12 @_@ so much for 12 hours of battery... but the global website still says 12 (w/ MM7)

http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/pcs/NP940X3G-K01US-features

Does anybody know the difference between mm12 and mm07?

Edit: like in terms of the battery test... and which one we should expect to be more accurate

 

Mobile mark 2012 and mobile mark 2007
Mm12 is realistic for standards now a days, so mm12 is a lot more accurate.


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Looks like a great laptop, but not really worth the extra weight and 128GB/i5 instead of X3E's 256GB/i7 for the same price over the latter's 5-6 hrs battery life. Perhaps if someone really needs touch or the 8GB RAM version coming on a white horse sometime this year.

BTW, 5.8 hrs for the X3E was also MM12 estimate, so 7.5 for the 9+ seems realistic ( http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/pcs/NP900X3E-K01US-specs).

BUT, to be fair - this is a 29% increase with a 178% pixel density increase, so not bad at all. The wise thing to do would be to start selling an FHD (matte or not) version, but this would break their marketing I guess..

 

Tweet by Samsung a few hours ago:

Coming soon: The #ATIV Book 9 Plus w/ screen that opens a full 180 degrees! ATIV Book 9 Plus (NP940X3G) | Samsung ATIV Book http://t.co/Ao0xfXqP5L

 

I wonder how big the battery is in the plus. The older version had a 4400 mah. This one probably has at least a 5000 mah if not more. I'm thinking around 100 grams minimum added weight adding touch to display and maybe another 150 grams for the battery.

The original 12 hour claim was laughable. Especially right after enemy number one unveiled the new air that actually does get 12 hours with a more efficient OS and TN panel with huge battery. It was too obvious that Samsung wanted to say "me to" But based on what the Sony Pro was getting on a 1080P with similar haswell it could not approach 12 hours.. Not even close without the slice battery. What I'm seeing is most oems are increasing battery size along with the haswell upgrades.

Have not seen any haswell system with the matte option. Is Intel putting pressure to keep that from happening? No matter what, I'm not given up my matte book 9 for one of these new ones. Maybe if I sat on plane more I would find more need for the extra1.5-2 hours battery life. This is more then good enough and the rest of the device is really perfect. Everything works well, no issues with wifi, or trackpad, etc... its like they finally perfected the book 9 (ivy version).

 

it's best to compare batteries in watt-hours (wh) as opposed to mah. This is because of different voltages. If you ever wondered why your galaxy note has 3000 mah battery and your giant computer "only" has 4000, it's because the phone is usually 3 ish volts and the computers usually 7-12.

That said, here are some of the numbers:

Vaio Pro 13- 38 wh
Acer S7- 47 wh
Asus UX31A- 50 wh
Asus UX31LA- 50 wh (this is the one where they popped haswell into last year's UX31A (above). NOT the infinity)
XPS 12 Haswell- 50 wh
Macbook air 2012- 50 wh
Macbook air 2013- 54 wh
Samsung Ativ Book 9 Plus- 55 wh

So i don't know how samsung expected to get 12 hours, just like the macbook air, when the air has the more efficient OS and a low-res TN panel. And the batteries in the air and the book 9 plus are the same size.

I knew they were lying from the start... lol they shouldn't have told us it was a 55 wh in the official specs. Battery life, from what i've seen, is extremely proportional to watt-hours on haswell. Here are some examples:

Vaio Pro 13- 38 wh, 6.5-7h
Acer S7- 47 wh, 7-7.5h
UX31LA- 50 wh, 7.5h
Dell XPS 12- 50 wh, 7.5h (a swedish site did a benchmark of this and the UX31LA, got the same life down to the minute, to be expected because both are 50 wh)
Macbook air- 54 wh, 12-13h. lame display, power-sipping OS, 13h is achieved on the 1.3ghz core i5. The lowest clock any of the haswell windows ultrabooks have had is 1.6ghz
Samsung ATIV book 9 plus- 55 wh. Insane display. 7.5-8h MAXIMUM

So there you go. I've researched this a lot. UX31LA isn't out yet, XPS is ugly, macbook air doesn't work well with linux, so i'm buying the s7. (the samsung doesn't have 8g of ram)

jcarrz1

 

I think you made a good choice. I've heard they fixed the track pad and KB on the new one as well as the poor battery life. I'd hate to be one of the folks who bought the first generation. Some are saying it may be the best W8 ultrabook of 2013. At least they have been working out the issues with the S7.

 

I am buying the s7 from the Microsoft store this Sunday, if the keyboard doesnt meet my standards then it will be the dell xps 12. I hope the keyboard on the acer is good enough, if not then I will have to use the uglier machine.


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Thanks for the breakdown. Disappointing with the 7hrs from Samsung. Will be waiting to see what the MBP gets with Haswell in October.

 

so why does MBA get 12 hrs both in OS X AND Win7/8, both i5 and i7 (i7 gets more under a light load)? Is it only the screen resolution we have to 'blame'?

EDIT: made a stupid comment on mAh, doesn't really matter, what I mean is battery size vs other factors

 

Do we have a date for the new MBP and MBPr?

Na I don´t think Windows is so much more power-hungry than OSX. The 900x3c and 900x4c was at the top of Engadgets batterytests, beating the old MBA with 1h. And that was windows 7. But gHD+ and touch will take it´s toll on battery.

 

Rumor is the macbook pro will be out in September. The date will be whenever Apple decides to have a press conference and that hasn't been decided yet. Still that won't be an ideal solution unless it gets thinner and lighter (which may happen at least in the 13").

 

Just a shame they haven't put an 8GB haswell board in the current version, I agree it's close to perfect (displayport and better wifi are a couple more flaws). And I think with haswell you would see very similar battery life without the larger cell. I don't need a ultra-highres, glossy, touch panel that requires a bigger battery and heavier, thicker chassis. And no, there's no reason Samsung can't have a non-touch haswell ultrabook. Lenovo and Dell have them, so intel can't be that much of a stickler. Must be Samsung trying to unload the ABP9+ on the retina-obsessed crowd. I'm guessing this is also the reason there isn't a 15" refresh yet. Touch on that would probably push it well over 4lbs.

New! Latitude 12 7000 Series Thin and Light Ultrabook for Business | Dell

 

Uhm, this proves it doesn't scale the same, and that manufacturers have something to do with it. As usual, Sony manages to pull 5.84 watts or less on average in these tests (according to the 38wh and 6.5h of battery), whereas others like Dell and Asus pull 6.67W (all according to your numbers). This confirms my suspicion that Sony is particularly adept at optimising power usage (my Sony Vaio Z full voltage P9700 with 6GB RAM from 2009 [!!!] can sip ~11W when properly configured in Ubuntu, in particular with bluetooth and nvidia GPU turned off). If others with full HD screens were able to accomplish the same, they'd be getting >8.5h with their 50Wh batteries. MacBook Air is better at average power usage (4.5W), but without a touch screen and no fullHD IPS screen.

Should we mention that Sony Vaio Pro 13 together with the sheet battery (giving it >14h battery life) weights exactly as MacBook Air 13 and still has all the extras above. So, battery life per pound of notebook, Sony wins hands-down. Unfortunately, they've fallen behind in screen quality, after the 1600x900 panels they introduced in 2008.

I've scratched S7 off my list because of the 5-row keyboard (no function keys, really?). I am going to wait out the August to see which of the Infinity Zenbook and Ativ Book 9 Plus wins me over (8GB RAM a must, Samsung wins on the screen, Asus on the miniDP [if it can drive 2560x1440 external screen], jury still out on the battery life). If Ativ Book 9 Plus appears without a touch screen, I'd be getting that for better battery life.

 

And, it's official: Samsung shipping ATIV Book 9 Plus and ATIV Tab 3 in the coming weeks, promises business-minded variants this fall (though, I can't find this on Samsung's own web site).

 

No i7/8GB/256GB in sight. Samsung?!
Battery life up to 7.5 hours? This is getting so disappointing.

 

Seriously. I wouldn't call this the "fail of the century" by any means, but Samsung is really shooting themselves in a foot if they think people will purchase their laptop for the admittedly cool, but probably unnecessarily high resolution screen. Because in every other way the current S7 pretty much rapes the 9 Plus at the moment. Twice the RAM, twice the HDD, faster i7, and what is starting to look like equal if not better battery life. If the S7 only had a 1366x768 screen, I might consider waiting, but full HD is not exactly bad - and this is coming from someone who wishes his smartphone had the 1080p and not the 720p display.
The S7 has gotten fantastic reviews, and the only issue people seem to have with it is the odd keyboard layout which also lacks a dedicated function key row. But that's really not a huge deal for me, so I'm not sure why I'm even still looking at the 9 Book Plus considering I can order an S7 now rather than waiting another few weeks for a much less powerful ultrabook.

 

Acer S7-392 European version will have a 2,560 x 1,440 screen. Although it's not released yet. S7 major flaw is the lack of function keys row but I can live with that.

 

I'm just hoping the "business-minded variants" includes an 8GB AB9 with the current matte display. Sounds plausible.

 

The FHD (matte?) display is certainly a possibility, as this has been Samsung's line for a while now. I'm not sure if this is a typo or not, but one Polish reseller has it listed with a FHD screen (I'm still waiting for their reply): Porównanie produktów (btw, the price is 5599 PLN which roughly equates to 1339 EUR; another site has it, apparently unoficially, listed for 100 PLN more that is ~1360 EUR, so close to the 1399 EUR advertised in Germany and elsewhere in Eurozone)

 

Apparently it worked: Samsung undercuts Retina MacBook Pro with $1,399.99 Ativ Book 9 Plus | The Verge

 

Seriously, Samsung Germany have listed
Samsung ATIV Book 9 900X3E K06 - ÜBERSICHT
for 2000 Euro. . It retails cheaper though, looking at chip.de price comparison. 4 GB of RAM. 2000. Yeah. Can I trust this company?!
And
Samsung ATIV Book 9 900X3F G01 - ÜBERSICHT
for 1600 (huh? just because of i5?)
I wonder if these are silent models with 2 fans, btw.

They explicitly say "business models" fo fall 2013. How nice of them not to specify. If they mean "8GB RAM" as a feature of a "busisness model", then what the hell. I expect "business model" to mean "matte". So I will wait for the fall, and not pick up the abovementioned Ivy Bridge (unless the ativ book plus turns out to be more noisy than Ivy Bridge ATIV, in tests). In that case, I figure I will have to live with 4 GB and upgrade to 8 GB (=new notebook) in two years' time. I will look into how harddisk cloning works, with UEFI/Win 8.1/OEM personal license/key issues (read annonying stuff about this). If I have an easily transferable image, I can live with 4 GB for 2 years.
What I really like are the reports about some Ivy Bridge Samsungs being very silent. I have been working on a whining Sony for way too long. My priorities have now shifted from "much RAM, retina", to "matte, silent, nice design, 'FHD=enough', 4 GB RAM is enough given portability of Windows installation."

 

While I will likely end up with the Aspire S7 due to time constraints, here is yet another interesting contender...

Dell | Dell

 

@matthias2468: I've just asked about cloning and licence in another thread and got a very helpful reply by Dannemand -- have a look at: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sam...ok-9-13-3-ivy-bridge-np900x3e-np900x3f-2.html (p. 2 & 3)

I'm not sure what's wrong with Samsung's German site, but you can certainly get it cheaper in Germany. K06 is 512 GB and sells for €1745 on Amazon or even cheaper elsewhere:
Samsung 900X3E (NP900X3E-K06DE) - Preis ab €1.585,60 - CHIP Online
Samsung ATIV Book 9 - 900X3E, Core i7-3537U, 4GB RAM, 512GB SSD, Windows 8 Pro (NP900X3E-K06DE) in Notebooks & Tablets: Notebooks | heise online Preisvergleich
Samsung 900X3E (NP900X3E-K06) Ultrabook: Notebook Preisvergleich - Preise bei idealo.de

This says one shouldn't always trust Samsung's site, I guess, as resellers may have it much cheaper.

 

US$3000 easily.

 

Supposed to be sub-$2000 and it has a 7.5mm 2.5" harddrive in it, which would be kind of nice. I don't know about user upgradeable ram, but they're offering a 1tb standard harddrive option, so it has to be a 2.5", and is probably limited to 1tb because it is a 7.5mm thick drive.

More of a rMBP competitor because of its high performance processor, and discrete graphics, but still very interesting for me.

 

Dell charges US$1699 for the XPS 12 i7/8GB/256GB, if they manage to offer this workstation with NVIDIA® Quadro® graphics and QHD+ 3200x1800 below US$2000 I'll be very impressed and tempted. Not holding my breath though

 

So one thing I noticed about this new laptop is that they moved the touchpad a little bit more to the right, centering it. So instead of the touchpad being right under the space bar like the previous iterations of this device, it's a little bit to the right of the keyboard. But that means that if you rest your wrists on the laptop while typing, wouldn't the touchpad get in the way of your right wrist?

 

The "business" version better have 8gb RAM and a matte screen. The current 9+ doesn't seem that tempting.

 

<sigh> As the days go by, the S7-392-9890 is looking better and better to me.

I wish someone can just make a 15" laptop under 4 lbs (1.8kg) with a QHD IPS matte display, Core i7 Haswell, at least 8GB of RAM, 256GB SSD, Iris Pro 5200, wireless AC, thunderbolt, and just call it a day. What's so hard about that?

 

Bought the MacBook air. Can't wait any longer for a better spec thin and light. F the qhd panel and the damn price tag. Samsung definitely keeping prices high since its back to school season. Screw over the early adapters and then drop the price while adding more options in the future. Haswell is great but all these damn laptop manufacturers trying to get rid of their last gen models before updating for obvious business reasons. Usually back to school season brings along a lot of new laptops but that certainly is not the case this year.

 

These are premium laptops, not for your back to school budget kids . I am waiting for the 8GB that they promised (most likely NP940X3G-K04US or NP940X3G-K05US)... not updating my X3B until then which is still running like a champ.

 

Cry me a river.

The ab9+ is showing up in Sweden for pre-order. 13490 = 1390 dollars. At the same time, the 1080p 900x3e is up for 790 dollars. My brother is commin to take a look at my 900x3c later, so might end up with the 900x3e for a couple of weeks.

 

Not really much of a looker to my taste, but apart from that it seems like a good deal.
But try working in Total Commander with that kind of keyboard..

 

It's not hard but I'm sure they decided nobody would want it..except you.

 

If you can buy the NP900X3E for the equivelent of $790 US dollars you should stop what you're doing, but 1000 of them and sell them in the US where the going price is still $1299. With the profit you make you can buy anything you want (100 times over).

 

Why? Thunderbolt apart, sounds like something quite reasonable for a variety of users.

 

Sounds awesome, but AFAICS it's ~$1229 for the i5/128GB version in Sweden for the X3E and much more for the 256GB: Np900x3e Bärbara datorer - Jämför laptop-priser på PriceRunner Sverige

(this is 'SEK' in case someone wants to do the math)

 

My budget is 1600. Back to school kids also be buying more pcs then most demographics. I just feel they lost a lot of potential customers because they'd rather sell their old stock. Apple played it smart this year by updating the MacBook air and saving the rmbp for later this year. Samsung's spec sheet is literally comparable to the MacBook air not the rmbp (except in pixel). The only advantage Samsung has at the moment spec wise is pixels.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2013/8/9...-plus-ativ-tab-3-price-release-date-announced

 

So hey, the people who want a matte screen, has this been confirmed as an option or are the anti touch screen people just being wishful?

 

That and the Samsung is made to run Windows. Anyone who tells you Macs run windows fine only uses windows infrequently. Boot camp is a workaround, at best

 

No news from Samsung anywhere. I'm getting the X3E for the forbidden pleasures of matte.

 

Why are people so pro-matte? You give up better contrast, brighter colors, and better viewing angles for some anti-glare coating? I don't know, I guess it depends on your situation but it doesn't seem like a good tradeoff to me. It's true the diffused lighting of the matte screens are a bit less annoying when in direct light, but those conditions are annoying no matter what screen you have. Glossy or matte, If I'm in a bad lighting situation I'll change my positioning...

I'm more interested in the screen that will look the best most of the time I'm using the machine rather than the screen that will only look better when compared in the worst possible conditions.

Wouldn't the Iris Pro 5200 graphics imply a 47W TPD CPU? Say goodbye to your battery life...

 

Komplett.se - Samsung 900X3E 13.3" Full HD

7995 sek. With tech you can pretty much just ad a 0 to the US price to get the Swedish amount.

 

Apparently matte screens improve business yield or something like that because every time I see someone requesting matte is for "professional reasons". I don't know you guys, but when I'm working I find myself a room with good illumination, quiet and peaceful.:thumbsup:

Perhaps it's just cool to hate touch/glossy screens.

 

Business people like matte screens because they don't then get annoying reflections from lights in well illuminated offices or windows.

Try using a glossy screen with a window behind you.

John

 

True, most workers don't have their own office where they can control the lighting and positioning. Businesses just want to stick people in cubicles and not have to hear any whining about the overhead lighting or whatnot. They don't care if your screen looks good as long as it's usable in the most possible conditions and you can get your work done.

I guess those of us lucky enough to have control over our work environment can enjoy the benefits of glossy screens.

 

Once you go matte, you never go back. Especially if you're talking about either of the displays on the 13" S9s. There's a reason monitors and tvs are not glossy. I wish I could get a phone, tablet with a matte display. But alas, if you have touch it's always going to be glare-prone gloss that you have to constantly clean the fingerprints off. Just not worth it for me.

 

It really isn't black and white like that... the anti-glare layer costs you in sharpness, contrast, colors, and viewing angle. It's a tradeoff, more a matter of environment and personal preference than simply one always being better than the other. In your situation, having less glare may be more important than anything else and that's fine but there's just so much dogma around here about glossy always being crap that I just had to say something.

You can see the group-think/confirmation bias here, people actually convinced that the matte screens they saw at the store have a better picture (and not just less glare); when it's well known that the matte finish actually negatively impacts the picture, and in a controlled environment, the glossy screen will always look better.

 

I never heard of these guys, but they have an 02 model listed with an Aug 14 release date


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Just about every HD panel, at least on the high end, has a gloss finish, 4k sets included.

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