Samsung NP930X5J / NP940X5J ATIV Book 9 (2014) 15.6" Haswell announced Jan 6, 2014

I forget if you already answered this. Did you notice a RAID option in the BIOS, granted it wouldn't be of much use in your situation.

 

I saw no RAID Option in the BIOS

 

I got the 54 Watt figure from HWINFO.

 

Can you capture the window in HWiNFO to show the same info as this (for my X4C) so we can see the full details?



Thanks,

John

 

Ahhh, on that screen it says 62.266 Watt for my X5J
I was reading the 54Watts from another screen when it was running on battery.

 

John, what would we do without you? Thanks so much for your helpful advice! It is really appreciated and has made my migration to the XJ5 really smooth.

As soon as "Windows Easy Transfer" has finished its job, I will upgrade the installed Intel® Rapid Storage Technology driver version from 12.8.11.100 to 12.9.0.1001.
If that does not fix the Crucial 550 idle-power-down issue, I'll uninstall Intel® Rapid Storage Technology
driver altogether (and install the WIndows AHCI driver if needed)

Anandtech says the M550 is " the most efficient drive with low power states (HIPM+DIPM) enabled" and measured 29 mW (=0.0029 Watt) in "Slumber Mode"
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7864/crucial-m550-review-128gb-256gb-512gb-and-1tb-models-tested/8

I also found this:
(HIPM = Host Initiated Link Power Management
DIPM = Device Initiated Link Power Management)
How to Enable HIPM and DIPM for your SSD and HDD in Windows 7 and Windows 8
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/177819-ahci-link-power-management-enable-hipm-dipm.html

Note: The more I use it, the more I love the XJ5!

 

Thanks. I was worried that they were using the NP940X3G battery in spite of there being space for something bigger.

I await your further reports on the power consumption with interest.

How are you configuring the two SSDs? I would have the first for Windows and programs and the second for data. That way the workload should get split when the computer is busy and the 2nd SSD should have opportunity to sleep when the workload is light.

John

 

(Windows Easy Transfer estimates a transfer time of 4 more hours to transfer 346GB from my Seagate USB 3 drive. When it is done I can work on the power consumption issue)

Here are photos from the inside.
The M550 is a bit bent, due to the rubber rectangle below it.
Or should I have removed the rubber rectangle?



Edit: It just occurred to me that perhaps the rubber rectangle should have been removed and glued on top of the SSD? (Similar to the other chips having protective rubber bumpers?)

 

Is the M550 single or double sided? It definitely should not be bent and I had assume that the rubber rectangle is for supporting single-sided board. Either way you need to move it and let the SSD lie flat.

I also see from the photos that the battery is part # AA-PLVN2AN rated at 7.6V, 8150mAh (=61.95Whr). So your fully charged capacity is slightly more than the design capacity. Long may it stay that way.

John

 

What is the definition of double-sided? Having components on both sides?
Here are some photos: (Unfortunately I can't find a photo of the the other side.)
Newegg.com - Crucial M550 CT512M550SSD4 M.2 Type 2280 512GB SATA 6Gb/s MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Crucial M550 512GB (M.2) [CT512M550SSD4]: specifications, reviews, discount offers and more | Hardware.Info United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2#Form_factors_and_keying

 

I first updated and then uninstalled Intel RST.
It seems to make no difference in the power consumption. I am running at 9W right now
Unless this is because the SSD is still doing some housekeeping after the 350GB Windows Easy Transfer migration. I'll give it a few hours and see...
Edit: 50 min later it is 8.6W average with the Crucial M550 installed. Not good.

I did this:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/61869-ahci-enable-windows-7-vista.html
but could not do Steps 8 and 9, since I could not find a way to enable AHCI in the BIOS.
So when I try do do this:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/177819-ahci-link-power-management-enable-hipm-dipm.html
there is no "ACHI Link Power Management HIPM-DIPM" option.
But:
Downloading and running "Add_AHCI_Link_Power_Management_HIPM-DIPM.reg" worked!
I then enabled the "ACHI Link Power Management HIPM-DIPM" option for Battery, but there is no noticeable decrease in power (currently 8.5 W with medium brightness)

 

Yes. Double-sided means having chips on both sides. If that's the case then the rubber rectangle is pushing against the components instead of support the board.

That's potentially an hour less running time on battery. I don't know if any of the tweaks are specific to Windows 8. How have you configured the contents of the SSDs? Did you copy everything off the original SSD on to the M550? Note my suggestion a few posts further up about the way i would set them up.

I would suggest you pass the problem to Crucial support explaining that you have the Samsung NP930X5J and the M550 is using significantly more power than the original SSD.

John

 

Yes, I cloned the Samsung SSD onto the M550 and then made the M550 the boot drive.

I now managed to enable ACHI Link Power Management HIPM-DIPM (see Edit above) but it makes no difference. 9 W power drain at idle as we speak. Arghh

EDIT: For the record, the "OS Mode Selection" in BIOS is CSM OS (Compatibility Support Module), which is required to boot Windows 7
Fast BIOS mode is ON (Fast BIOS Mode is technology to reduce the boot up time by skipping the USB check)
Secure Boot Control is OFF (required for Windows 7) (Secure Boot is a component of Microsoft's Windows 8 operating system)

EDIT: I did another test: Even if I boot up with the Samsung SSD, the Crucial 550SSD won't got into low-power mode.

 

Is memory upgrade-able on this laptop?

 

The extra power drain you are seeing is on the high side of what I would have expected which, in turn, is higher than what I would like. If nothing is using the 2nd SSD then it's got no reason to use much power.

What settings have you got for Power Options > Advanced Settings > PCI Express > Link State Power Management?

It may also be worthwhile fiddling with the write caching settings for the SSD in Device Manager (you'll probably need to reboot after each change).

No. It's a soldered module. Samsung decided to give this model two fans and an extra SSD slot rather than give space for upgradable RAM. And I don't expect a 16GB soldered dual channel module (presumably a DDP package) to appear in the near future.

John

 

does it have ips or pls screen ?

 

We aren't sure which technology Samsung is using but it gives excellent viewing angles as you can see from photos further up this thread.

The main complaint about the display is that it has arrived with a glossy finish when the announcements indicated it would be anti-glare.

John

 

I have a crucial M500, how do I tell how much wattage it's using? Can't see anything in hwinfo, but I have an older version.

 

There's no direct readout of SSD power consumption. Huberth is comparing the overall system power consumption (when running on battery) for his X5J with the original SSD and the X5J with the second, M550, SSD. I had made similar relative power consumption comparisons in my mSATA SSD review. I believe that Toms Hardware use a properly instrumented board in a desktop computer to get their results. There seems to be a technique for getting the recent Crucial SSDs to go to sleep that can be elusive. I hope Samsung surprise us with an M.2 EVO.

John

 

Hubert how is the fan noise when u watch youtube videos or flash videos on webpages ?
my current old laptop is quiet when i surf the web etc but once i use youtube or flashvideos its like hair dryer how is it on the samsung ?

and by the way do u use the laptop as your main computer at home or do u have it connected to a bigger screen ?

 

There is no noticeable fan noise (in a quiet home environment) when watching YouTube videos.
The X5J is extremely quiet. Noise is not an issue. I am very happy with it! Go and get it!

 

Link State Power Management settings are enabled in Power Manager for Hard Disk and PCIe. They are also enabled in Intel RST:
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Write caching is ON in Device Manager (by default) for both SSDs.

Nevertheless, as is evident by the HWINFO Power Sensor stats, Link State Power Management works for the Samsung SSD and not for the CRUCIAL SSD.
This seems to be an issue also with the CRUCIAL M500 SSD:
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-S...ion-of-M500-480-in-a-laptop/m-p/127258#M36933

I have posted the issue with the CRUCIAL M550 SSD also on the Crucial forum:
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Solid-S...-in-Samsung/m-p/150274/highlight/false#M42591

I hope either CRUCIAL fixes it or Samsung comes out with an M.2 512GB SSD soon.

 

how about the screen is full hd on a 15.6 inch to small for home use ?
or do i need to connect it to a bigger screen ?

 

SW Update has just offered Intel RST Version 12.9.3.1000. I installed it and rebooted.
Made no difference in the power consumption of the Crucial M550.

 

Hi, is there possible put new SSD drive original SSD 1 place and take original SSD away?


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We saw a Samsung PM851 M.2 SATA SSD in a customers Sony laptop today. I'm hoping that means that a retail version (possibly the 840 Evo M.2) is about 6 months away, or that a bit of supply opens up on the PM851 soon.

 

The Samsung MZNTE256HMHP-000 in the photo from the Sony Laptop is exactly the primary 256GB M.2 SATA SSD my Samsung NP930X5J came with.
I have posted the CrystalDisk Mark scores earlier in this thread. Please let me know when you see a 512GB version of it. I'll replace the Crucial M550 with it.

 

Wow, this laptop looks perfect for me. However, the USA price seems a bit higher than expected... How long would it take for any potential price drops? Or maybe I should just pick up a NP900X4C... Those are going for real damn cheap now

 

Same, I was originally looking forward to buying this laptop, but it looks like the release date is going to be a lot later than expected. Thinking of getting an fully spec'd out Ativ book 9 plus instead right now, not sure. What do you guys think?

 

The important question to ask is whether you will appreciate or hate the high-res 3200x1800 13-inch QHD screen on the AB9+ compared to the 1920x1080 15.6-inch FHD screen on this one. Density is dramatically higher on the AB9+, and depending on the programs you use (and your eyesight) this can be great, or it can drive you crazy (and make your eyes sore).

Windows itself has gotten better at scaling, but many legacy programs still have a user interface based on fixed pixel sizes, which can make them almost useless on high density screens. We have to assume that these developers will finally wake up and realize that pixel density shouldn't affect the size of letters and icons on the screen -- only how sharp they are.

Personally I find the AB9+ quite appealing, but it really depends on individual preference.

 

I was also considering the Ativ Book 9 Plus, but I really need at least a 15" monitor

Edit:

Wait a second... what the heck is this??
http://www.adorama.com/SSGNP940K01.html

 

Oh for the screen size issue, im just going to connect my laptop to an external monitor. Im thinking of getting either the new Ativ Book 9 2014 or the Ativ Book 9 Plus for university. Though Im now leaning towards the AB9+, also because i can get it for around 1600$, while the new book 9 2014 will probably cost 1999$

 

The laptop came with Windows 7 Pro installed and a Windows 8.1 Pro CD. I upgraded but now want to go back, how do I go back now? I can't access Samsung Recovery through F4 anymore because it's now incompatible. Windows 8 drivers are not available for this laptop in SW Update.

 

Hello superj89, welcome to NBR.

I could understand if the Recovery Windows app for Win8.x wouldn't run, given that your Recovery is the older Samsung Recovery Solution 5 (based on reports from other buyers of recent Win7-models). But are you saying you cannot even enter Recovery by pressing F4 after power on?

If so, that's nasty, and clearly something Samsung should warn about when they deliver a Win7-computer in this days and age and include a Win8.1 disc.

I cannot think of a solution other than to download a Win7 ISO from Digital River and install it (using this guide) overwriting the current Win8.1 partition. It is quite possible that Recovery will work again after that.

If you ARE able to boot Recovery with F4, but it complains about the version when you try to restore, you probably have to use the Complete Restore option (under Advanced) which will wipe and re-partition the SSD before restoring.

Also, if you ARE able to F4 boot Recovery, I would recommend you make a Recovery backup as described in step (2) in this post. Unfortunately it is a somewhat more elaborate process with SRS5 compared to the newer SRS6.

One question: Did you change UEFI settings in BIOS before installing Win8.1? If so, it would have caused the entire SSD to be wiped -- but from what you describe, it doesn't sound like that is the case.

As for Win8.1 drivers, you can use Find Model in SW Update to lookup a country version of this model that comes with Win8.1 -- such as NP930X5J-K02UK. From there, just select all the drivers you want and click Export.

Please keep us posted on your progress and what you find out. I am very interested.

 

Release date is unofficially (via Amazon) May 29, 2014!!!! See the below link:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Editi...76942&sr=8-2&keywords=NP940X5J#productDetails

Can someone confirm that this is the Touch screen version? I believe NP9 40X5J is touch

 

This is touch. Doesn't look like they are selling the non-touch version (at least at the moment). They also have the i5 128 gb. Here is the link for the i5 Amazon.com: Samsung ATIV Book 9 2014 Edition 15.6-Inch Laptop, Solid Black NP940X5J-K01US: Computers & Accessories

 

Nice, thanks! If that's the case, I think the below should the non-touch version [NP930X5J]:

Amazon.com : Samsung ATIV Book 9 NP930X5J 15.6" LED Notebook - Intel Core i7 i7-4500U 1.80 GHz - Black : Computers & Accessories

My pre-order is set!

 

I was seriously waiting for a 512 GB SSD configuration, but it now seems that this won't become a reality. I was hoping for a 512 GB SSD version because I'm going to a university and I really enjoy the ATIV line. I know one can probably switch out the SSD but cloning the information onto the new one is a hassle, and it can also have a huge drop in battery life.

 

I just graduated from uni and was using a mid-2010 macbook pro (256gb) and it works out all right if you're willing to get an external usb. I definitely recommend the following transcend external for any multimedia needs your hard drive isn't up to:

Transcend StoreJet 25M3 review - Engadget

You'll definitely appreciate the battery life when you don't have to fight for ports and everyone else is clamouring for their macbook chargers

 

Why is the touch version cheaper than the non-touch version?

And holy moly, a $400 premium for 128GB extra SSD space? Wouldn't it just be cheaper to add another 128 GB SSD to the cheaper $1500 version? Or is that "2nd SSD" slot not actually a 2nd SSD slot? If so, would this (I know it says out of stock) work? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148797

I realize the $1900 version has a slightly better CPU, but I'd imagine the difference would be almost negligible, no?

 

Samsung models delivered with Win8.x come with Samsung Recovery Solution 6, which has a built-in cloning feature (which also happens to be the only way to clone and preserve Recovery on the new drive). Of course you still need an M.2 enclosure or adapter...

 

Yes, the 2nd SSD slot works! And the 128GB M550 Crucial M.2 SATA SSD would work. I've got the 512GB version of the M550 in my NP930X5J, but it draws more power than the Samsung SSD. (see earlier in the thread.)

 

I still feel as if the laptop is still way too expensive. For about 2 grand, a 1.8 GHz CPU and Intel HD4400 seems to low speed for that price. I'd expect a 512SSD for that price with that GPU and CPU. I'd be ok with it, if it at least had a QHD screen or at least 16gb Ram. I'm having diffuclties understanding why its overpriced. This should generally be going for around 1,600

 

You are right john i'm waiting to see the price here in europe but in usa the price is crazy, insane; too expensive
I dont understand it because its still haswell and broadwell is coming and if you look nothing justify so high price in that laptop.
Samsung is crazy to sell it for that price you can have much more powerfull laptop.

 

What do you think of the $1500 version? 128GB SSD and ever so slightly less powerful CPU.

 

Thanks for the reply. I did not change any UEFI settings. And I've successfully got it now back to Win7 factory condition. When I upgraded to 8.1 I simply made an ISO from the CD and moved it to a USB drive then I upgraded it within Win7 (Tip: At first I couldn't figure out how to make BIOS screen show the boot from USB option, later I found out it because I had to disable Fast Boot in BIOS). After I upgraded to 8.1 I found out the drivers didn't work as well, Settings Application has less than half the available options, and the FN funtions for Wifi and Backlit Keyboard did not work, you would have to go into Settings to turn on Backlit Keyboard. I quickly wanted to go back.

I tried to use the F4 from startup to boot into Samsung Recovery 5 but the loading screen would come up for 20 seconds but then a pop up message saying it is incompatible. I chatted Support to ask them how to do go back but they couldn't find my serial number (I chatted on 5/4, the manufacture date on my machine was 4/30 which was given to me when I registered the product for the 3 month warranty extension) I had to send in a picture of the machine. On the picture it showed I had a Win8 sticker next to the serial so the guy didn't believe me I had a Win7 machine, so then I had to send in a picture on the label on the box. After all this the guy finally decided to send me a Win7 CD.

The next day because I couldn't wait anymore I looked up the latest Win7 Pro SP1 download from here I made a bootable USB using Rufus (after disabling Fast Boot in BIOS). Then installed a clean Win7 from it. Then I immediately restarted the machine and went into F4 Recovery, did a complete restore and everything finally went back to factory condition.

To everyone who want to upgrade to to 8.1 with the given CD I would suggest against it. You would have to go to many steps to go back. 930X5J is a business machine (according to SS) optimized for Win7 both software and hardware wise (no touchscreen, all settings available, all FN keys work) plus Win 7 gets better battery life especially when watching movies, see here. The battery life is one of the main selling points for this model. Samsung should really include a Win 7 CD with this product or at least update their serial number system more quickly.

 

Its alright. Its a bit better in terms of price, but its still a bummer for such a low storage size. Nothing's ever perfect in this sense

 

I don't think anything less than 256GB is usable without external hard drive. My 256G now has 180G usable space after installing only Office and Acrobat. The recovery partition is nearly 20G.

 

Has anyone done a proper battery test? That's about the only thing holding me back right now. I know somebody let it run with the screen off, and it went close to 24 hours, but has anybody run it down with video, or active reasonable normal use? The price is high, but the absurd battery life is keeping me tuned to the 930X5J, and if it's not the case, then I need something else. I want to believe! But I want verification more. Thanks!

 

I have the Samsung NP930X5J and I have not run out of battery during active reasonable normal use.
Go and get it!
Aside from the MacBook Pro, it is the best there is. If you are using Windows, it is a "no-brainer"!
I am totally happy with it (although I would have preferred if it came with a 512GB SSD, 16GB of RAM and a matte screen)
I don't think it is too expensive for what you are getting. You are paying for high quality and light weight (3.9 lbs).