Samsung Series 7 Gamer NP700G7C with AMD Radeon HD 7970M/Geforce GTX 675M

Hi TANWare, good to hear from you.

Thank you for chiming in with your knowledge and experience with this model.

 

hello i just got myself a samsung series 7 gamer np700g7a from what i can see there isnt to much diffrent in the moddel motherbords. which leads me to my qestion:
dous anyone know the cpu and gpu fan pinout i see there is 4 fan pins on the motherbord but only 3 are used. what is each colour fan wire used for? im upgrading it to 7970m and am trying to get normal fan control and am thinking 4pin fan may work normaly with a clevo 7970m.

 

The 7a is an AMD GPU board and also will support the 3D glasses, it should have the proprietary BT used by Samsung. It also has the vbios imbedded into the main boards bios from what I can tell. I am not too sure about the CPU or GPU fan pinouts.

 

samsung 700g7a 7970m upgrade project



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What the crap is soldered to that board?

I suppose the 7970M works in the 7a since it had an AMD card already? The vbios was compatible?

 

hi hmf what do you meen by "What the crap is soldered to that board" ?
well its still a work in progress.. im still trying to get the gpu fan to run i had set up a vacume cleaner so that it sucked air throw the gpu vent to cool it while testing it. hwinfo and gpuz show the correct temp but the fan dous not kick in. so its not working correctly as yet.
hmf im not the first person to try this upgrade there is a user over at techinferno.com robbin2 here 700G7C with CLEVO 7970M upgrade who tryed it first but he i beleve was using the new moddel the 700g7c for his upgrade i think it was the same moddel as yours.
maby because there is 2 vbios on the system its confusing it ... as in the samsung VBIOS is bilt in to the System BIOS so maby the system bios is looking at the vbios in the system bios for the temp and see' 0c because its not ther meanwhile the 7970m is running the display and its temps are being ignored.......... i could be speaking shiz i just am trying to work out what is causing it. i would like to remove the vbios from the system if i can work out how... and see what affect that has on the fan fuction
im shor we can get it to work if some more techncal users have a go im no pro, but im shor we can get it to work. it would be a beast of a mechine the fans can only work.

 

oh and i did try a 4 wire fan from an asus but that had no affect... if anyone was wondering.

 

Interesting. It's probably going to take some seriously skilled bios modding. Chance of brick high.

I suppose if you could hardwire the fan on 100% and not mind it, it would be ok.

Edit: too bad it's not possible to run two fans off the same wires, you could connect it to the CPU fan contacts. Usually both cpu and GPU are loaded while gaming. I expect that wouldn't work and confuse or worse the CPU fan controller.

 

yer i had thought about connecting the gpu fan to the cpu but i would ruther get it to work independentle .. im a risk taker all or nothing i might ask slv7 if he wonts it.. and if he can get it to work i will offer him half of what ever it sells for.....hmmm

 

Just found another great use for the iSSD for those with an SSD for primary boot. I use windows live mail but if you use a windows mail client then you can store email on the iSSD. in this ways a system or disk restore does not make you also loose email as well

 

Hello, I have the Samsung Series 7 Gamer NP700G7C-T01US. I am looking for the 3D glasses that will work with it. Is there a specific model to search for? I did find the Samsung SSG-3550CR 3D glasses, but I am not sure if they would work. Can anyone here please help me? Thanks in advance!

 

That's a pretty good idea.

 

Hi guys, just joined up after lurking for ages!

Finally pulled the trigger on my first gaming laptop after much deliberation, it's a second hand NP700G7C with i7-3610QM & GTX 675M.

I found this to be the best website on the net for notebook reviews, comparing GPU & CPU's etc. and it really helped me to make a decision on which gaming laptop to go for.

I will be thinking about upgrading one of the 750gb HDD's to an SSD & understand it's not as straight forward as it could be with these machines so will inevitably trawl these pages and / or ask a few rookie questions...

I'll mostly be playing Diablo III with a little Counter Strike GO so not the most demanding of games, I'm hoping this machine will absolutely fly!

 

First question though is it a Windows 7 or windows 8 variant? Good luck though with the machine, my own is wonderful so far.

The biggest problem is windows backup and restore has fits with the advanced format of the 750GB drives and getting it to work on a SSD. With mine I had to do a full install. Not that it didn't help as this also allowed me to minimally install Samsung's software. It has been well over 1 year for the install and it works well as day one.

 

Hi TANWare, it's Windows 7 home premium. I'm not sure what's installed at the minute until I receive it, I would imagine a format of some sort would be wise regardless of whether or not I go down the SSD route?

PS. Cool car

 

Get a USB to SATA cable and use cloning Software. You can then swap out the drives. I've done it multiple times, works great.

 

Yeah, outside software may work fine. I know the included Windows 7 backup is a no go. That is at least the early version, updates could have changed this, not too sure.

Sometimes a fresh install is a best practice but may have already been done by the first owner to protect privacy. if it is a fresh install the as mentioned a clone may be best. With an SSD just remember to disable the smart cache and iSSD.

I now use the iSSD for my mail storage from the local live client and the second HDD for all data archiving. I only keep my work photo files on the SSD. After being done with them they are archived locally to the 750gb then later to a 2tb drive. I also try to keep c:\ imaged to the 2tb as well.

Off topic, thanks about the car; 1996 C4 LT-4. All stock except 1-4 lockout disabled, K&N air filter and Silver Star headlights.

 

Thanks for the input guys, I'd not considered cloning the 750gb C drive onto a new SSD prior to swapping them over, sounds like an elegant solution.

Thinking of getting the below SSD as it seems good value and gets decent reviews.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-120GB-Basic-Solid-State/dp/B00E391KA8

 

The EVO SSD is a good choice (I'm using one ) but I would suggest you get one with more capacity. SSDs like to have some empty space to assist with the housekeeping. If your budget is constrained then also check the Crucial prices - the M500 is discounted due to the release of the slightly faster M550.

You'll only be able to clone the HDD if the content is less than the SSD capacity.

John

 

Other than avoiding the hassle of reinstalling Windows 7 from scratch onto the new SSD, is there any other reason for cloning? I.e. are there lots of Samsung specific files / drivers that I would need from the old 750gb HDD? Reason I was looking at the 120gb is I literally only play three games so don't need massive amounts of disk space and the performance increase of the 240 over the 120 would be negligible for me.

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The G7C has ExpressCache, using a small onboard SSD to speed up disk access to the HDD. If you clone the factory installation to a "real" SDD, you definitely want to uninstall that ExpressCache software, since it will likely slow down access to your much faster SSD rather than speed it up.

Also, note that Recovery probably will not work on the SSD after cloning. There are ways to get it on there, but it takes some work and may not be worth it for a Win7 Recovery. Particularly if you are looking at a small SSD anyway.

If you decide to clean install Windows instead (either now or later) this guide covers the Samsung specific bits. In addition to the drivers mentioned in that guide, your model also has ModeShift -- which should be offered automatically by SW Update along with other drivers.

 

120 GB these days is not a lot. It was costly at the time but I went with a 480 GB. It has made life pretty easy.

 

Fair comment guys I will look at the 250

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And i still cant run my expresscache why have i passed to windows 8?! Everything was much better on windows 7.

How is our sammy's performance compared to maxwell ddr5 850m with i5 4200h? I will need a lighter smaller laptop for uni. Yes thats a ge70. I was considering lenovo y510p too but it overheats a lot and i dont know if i can deal with micro stutter :/

You can suggest any other notebooks too if you want.

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ExpressCache works fine in both Win8 and 8.1. We covered it a few times both in the Win8.1 update thread and other threads. I do see now that you mentioned it some time ago here, and I am sorry we didn't respond to that.

Check this post in the Win8.1 sticky thread.

 

Come on man you know my issue. Ec flushes itself automatically after every reboot. Nothing managed to fix that :'(

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Oh that's right, I remember now. Sorry, I respond to so many members here it's a blur sometimes

Yeah that one is a mystery left unsolved. I may take another look at it some time and see if I can reproduce it.

 

Much appreciated

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I don't have Windows 8 but wonder if it is a different issue. Not that it flushes on reboot but re-initializes on startup?

 

Hmm. What do you mean? Lets say it has 2 gb cached. After a reboot it gets 0'ed and start cacheing from a scratch.

What do you mean re initializes?


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ExpressCache is designed to flush its cache at the time of boot if any other OS was booted since last time it ran. For example, say you have Win7 and Win8 installed on two different partitions, but ExpressCache is only installed on Win8: If you boot Win7 (which doesn't have EC installed) then EC will flush its cache next time Win8 is loaded. The same is true if Recovery (F4) or a LiveCD has been booted: It will trigger the EC cache to be flushed next time the EC driver is loaded, and the cache will need to be populated from scratch.

It is very annoying for users, but done deliberately to protect the integrity of cache contents: Since EC caches on LBA level (caching blocks, not complete files) any changes to HDD contents by another system (OS, Recovery etc) could cause EC to load the wrong blocks from the cache when a program (or Windows) attempts to load those blocks from the HDD -- which could have catastrophic results.

For some reason the EC on vesayreve's Win8 has this flushing condition triggered chronically, so that his EC cache is flushed on every boot -- even when no other OS has been booted in between. I haven't re-read the discussion we had about it, but I seem to recall that all manners of re-installation was attempted to no avail.

It is indeed a mystery, since this is the only report we have of this issue. Many others use ExpressCache with Win8 and 8.1 and have no such problems (myself included).

 

Right. I have no other OS installed. Just windows 8.1 what could be causing this?

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Ok guys Amazon delivered my 250gb Samsung 840 Evo SSD so now is the time to decide the best plan of action to get this installed into my laptop! I'm sure this has been covered many times before but I would really appreciate a guide on how best to achieve this as I am a complete novice.

As previously discussed, I bought my laptop second hand and it has come with all sorts of rubbish installed on it! I would prefer to just install the SSD and install windows 7 from scratch (I have a Win 7 ultimate disk), is this a viable option? Do I need to copy anything from one of the 750gb HDD to the other before I remove the C drive or is everything available to download? Do I need to change any BIOS settings?

 

I figured as it's probably the middle of the night over the other side of the pond that I will just go for it, luck favours the brave right?

Anyway I've removed HDD1 and replaced with the SSD, set AHCI to manual in the BIOS and started the install of Windows 7 ultimate with a plan to download the samsung software manager from their website then grab all of the recommended software through that.

I'll keep you posted!

 

You're right about the time zones. I just got up, and it's Saturday...

Seriously, since you're looking to clean install (not clone), just follow the Win7 install guide I linked for you a few posts ago. It has everything you need. Including downloading WiFi drivers from Intel before you start -- as you probably realized by now

Also DO install from your Win7 DVD (not from a USB stick) to save yourself some boot troubles.

 

I'm in a world of hurt, luck clearly does not favour the brave

I've been trying to follow this guide http://forum.notebookreview.com/sam...l-windows-7-8-via-usb-np700z.html#post8960112
but I can only get as far as step 7 - when I start installing windows I get error "Windows cannot install require files....... Error code 0x8007045D"

Note I'm using a windows 7 ultimate DVD and not USB installation.

I have to head out for a bit but will resume this when I get back!

 

If you install from DVD you don't want to follow that guide. Start over and follow the one I linked -- which is later in the same thread.

Edit: It's this one, post #40 in that thread.

 

Ok, will give it a try now, thank you.

edit - exactly which wifi driver do I want? There are lots of options!

 

The latest Driver Only one from Intel. Again, it's in that guide, step 1 -- heck, even a link to Intel Download Center

Edit: Please verify that you have Intel WiFi. Some Samsung laptops had Broadcom, dunno if that was true of G7C as well.

 

The link you gave takes me to a page with three separate drop down lists in the "Find by category" section - none of which say "Driver Only" (sorry if I'm being stupid)

Bear in mind I can't use the "scan computer" option because I'm currently on my desktop machine!

Edit - the drivers are not relevant as I can't get past error "Windows cannot install require files....... Error code 0x8007045D"

 

Enter the model number of your WiFi adapter and Windows version, and Intel will give you a list of driver packages, old and new, Driver Only and full PROset (which has lots of bloat).

Download the latest Driver Only and save it where you can get to it after a clean install. Make sure the file name matches the pattern described in the guide, so you know you have the right one.

I am not at my pc now, or I could get you a screendump of how it looks.

The guide doesn't include a link to one specific driver file because different models have different WiFi cards -- and because I would have to update the guide every time Intel releases new versions.

 

No worries, I understand that, will have to try to find out which wifi adapter is in the laptop.

However I still can't even get past step 6 in your guide. It does the "copying Windows files" then "Expanding Windows files" (which takes an eternity) but it only gets to about 90% of this then gives error "Windows cannot install required files....... Error code 0x8007045D"

I'm really frustrated as the first time I tried to install windows (this morning) without following any guides it all got past this point. I managed to get windows installed and machine restarted but I had no wifi. I then restarted again (without the disc in) and it wouldn't boot (for reasons you have listed in your guide). So I tried a fresh installation following the guide and I am now falling at the first hurdle

 

I see.

If your model is one that came with Win8 pre-installed from Samsung (if it has SecureBoot on the Boot page in BIOS) you need to use the steps in the guide to convert your disk to MBR and change your BIOS settings to legacy BIOS mode.

In fact, even if it came with Win7 originally, I think you said you got this second hand, so maybe the previous owner changed some things. Make sure to disable UEFI in BIOS, select the new SSD in Boot Priority (use F10 or Esc to boot the DVD), disable Fast BIOS/Fast Boot and set AHCI=Auto.

And in case your new SSD came pre-formatted as GPT, you could try the steps to convert it to MBR regardless. Then try installing again.

If none of this works, I wonder if the ExpressCache (iSSD) is giving you problems after all, despite your installing from DVD. That could cause that error as well. In Windows Setup, on the Advanced screen, you could delete any partitions on the iSSD (the small drive). But if that helps, it would be a sign that Setup wants to write its boot partition on the iSSD -- which means you're back to hanime's guide which you first used.

I am heading out to a meeting (already running late) so I'm afraid I won't be able to attend this the rest of the day. See how far you get with the info I posted, then I'll take a look tomorrow.

Edit: saw your last post. Understood, that is frustrating. Since you're running on a new SSD and doing a clean install (no data to lose) I'd say go nuclear and use DISKPART CONVERT MBR on both the SSD and the iSSD (again exact commands in that guide). Also, reset BIOS settings to default, then make sure they're set as listed above (or in the guide if this is a Win8 model with SecureBoot).

 

Just want to say I really appreciate you taking the time to help. I'm going to eat then will try again after, trying out your suggestions. Thank you again

 

What you describe again is when the EC initializes is clears the cache contents first to protect the integrity, this is understandable. This all happens on the boot back up stage though not the shutdown stage as it has no idea when it is shut down what the boot up option will be. Is the boot drive the original 750GB drive?

 

Yes, yes, absolutely: It flushes during boot (when the EC driver initializes) not at shutdown. But of course it doesn't normally do that; that would make EC useless since the cache would need to be rebuilt after each boot. Only when other systems have been booted in between. And on vesayreve's system for some reason. Sorry, vesayreve, I didn't mean to rub it in

 

Well ReadyBoost for Windows 7 behaves in this manor, it rebuilds each boot. This is something that always annoyed me. I hadn't heard of his issue and would like to take a crack at it, again no promises especially as I am not familiar with win 8.x

Edit; Since a one off system issue I'd more than welcome PM's.

 

That would be excellent! So far I have not been able to reproduce it myself, but mine is a different model (though also with EC). But I am very interested in what might be causing it, so we can add that to our collective knowledge about ExpressCache.

 

I'm still stuck and can't even get past the expanding files step due to error "Windows cannot install require files....... Error code 0x8007045D"

I have tried deleting the partitions / volumes on both the new SSD and on the iSSD to no avail. Any suggestions as to what exactly I need to do in disk part would be appreciated! I've tried "convert mbr" on the ssd which seemed to work but it wouldnt allow me to do that on the iSSD.

On the plus side, after trying lots of different guides, I am now running the installation from a usb stick rather than the windows 7 dvd - this is much faster!

 

One thing for him to try is too look for the initialization attempts. If at boot and then at user login EC is initialized then it sees the first initialization as the cache locked and then it gets cleared. I am not sure if this was checked but it as example of what I'd like to take a look at with him.