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If the iPhone 8 doesn't meet my expectations, and the Pixel 2 XL improves to IP68 water resistance, I will very seriously consider making the switch back to Android.
Since the Pixels have their own launch event, instead of piggybacking on another venue, we can't know for sure exactly when it will launch. Google has committed to sticking to the industry's annual rhythm, making another October unveiling probable, and they could be aiming to make us accustomed to last year's October 4th date. However, the most oft-criticised aspect of the OG Pixels was availability. While the iPhone 7 Plus was pretty hard to come by in September and October, the Pixels still had little inventory in January and February, especially if you were after more than a meagre 32GB of storage. Even if the Pixels do end up with slightly faster Snapdragon 836s, similar to how the OG Pixels got Snapdragon 821s, that's dangerously close to MWC 2018. I'm sure Google is eager to do better this year and make sure their latest flagships are more readily available for the holiday season, but the new Pixels are not a simple refresh. Water-proofing and AMOLED displays from a manufacturer inexperienced with high-volume, phone-sized OLED production could delay plans... or letting LG make the XL 2 will help Google meet demand. Only time will tell.
tl;dr: The phones will be unveiled this year, and you can count on an availability gap of at least one month.
In my eyes, the design of last year's Pixels were one of their biggest downfalls. Huge, rounded HTC bezels and an odd glass portion on the back. The second generation looks much sleeker, in a utilitarian fashion – more so with the dual front-firing speakers, that are hopefully amped properly.
Obligatory rant:
Why, oh why, did the rumours of the XL 2 having a headphone jack have to turn out not to be true? Do phones that are thick enough to be grippey, house a sizeable battery, and offer a small or no camera bump really need to be one-port phones? It's not that I use the plug that often myself while on the go, but adapters are unattractive and I don't go around carrying them just in case. You're not always hooking your phone or laptop up to your own equipment, and an audio jack is ubiquitous. “3.5mm headphone jack satisfyingly not new”, you advertised – reminding every Android fan that cutting edge doesn't have to be impractical and locked down.
Google better have a damn near bullet proof bluetooth stack on this new Pixel. If they're going to use a Broadcom WiFi chipset, get the drivers and Android BT stack sorted. Because I currently LOVE the design of the Pixel XL 2 and would be willing to give LG another chance, as this isn't a device where Google is skimping on components... so it shouldn't have the issues that plagued the 5/5X. Premium design, build, and components. I actually just got a USB-C JBL headset from HTC and it's pretty much amazing for the price.
It's a shame that Google's new Pixels won't have the headphone jack, mimicking the crApple corp. And want to distinguish themselves from beasts like Samsung Galaxy S8+ and Note 8.
Not everyone's got AirPods and headphone licenses to sell, and some will demonstrate how they're different by preserving the jack. That said, the old analogue standard won't stick around for all eternity.
So the Pixel 2 and Pixel 2 XL start shipping 19 October and 15 November, at $649 and $849 respectively. They promise great cameras and displays, but unfortunately, Google forgot about most of the world, as you can only pre-order one if you live in any of the following six countries: Australia, Canada, Germany, India, the UK or the US. Any takers?
I’m debating between the Pixel 2 XL and the LG V30; I’ll be jumping from US Cellular to Verizon early next year and I’ll probably get a new phone then. I like the V30’s hardware better (dual cameras, wireless charging, dat DAC, headphone jack), but the software updates for the Pixel 2 XL are appealing.
I saw the price for regular Pixel 2, and scratched it right away from the list of my potential phones.
So far LG V30 looks the strongest for me, despite non-stock OS.
I've found myself wanting LG's wide-angle lens more than a few times, but I remain optimistic Google can bring more to the table in terms of sheer image quality, and having a portrait mode instead, if the dual-pixel, machine learning-aided depth sensing system is as good as they claim, may not be that big a trade-off. The Pixel 2 XL also has its stereo front-facing speakers, 220 mAh larger battery, and unlimited 5-year Google Drive storage going for it. Real shame about the headphone jack though... That's a major advantage of the V30, along with availability, slimmer bezels, and expandable storage. Both are indeed very attractive phones, and I'll keep my eyes peeled for an actual review of the Pixel 2's camera, along with a display comparison of the P2 XL and V30 (I expect they'll be very similar).
Isn't the V30 $100 more than the 64GB Pixel 2? They're both OLED flagships. I'd also take the V30 over the Pixel 2, but I wouldn't consider the latter in the first place because of its display size and huge bezels.
Seems so. Google says the price for Pixel 2 starts at 800 Euros, whereas V30 will be selling for 900, though personally I think V30 has more to offer, as a whole package (headphone jack, DAC, microSD slot, dual camera system, basically what Mitlov said). I also think that price for V30 will drop sooner than on Pixel 2.
I haven't heard of any blue tooth earphones that sound even half as good as my Beyer wired headphones, so until such becomes available or the Beyers wear out, no jack is a deal breaker. Don't even bring up "dongles".
From a pure hardware standpoint, I suppose the V30 would offer a stronger foundation than the XL. Not only does the V30 offer two camera modules, a headphone jack and wireless charging; it also has a more advanced microphone array. Whether those camera modules can outdo the single one in the Pixel 2 backed by Google's enchanced HDR+ algorithms and dual-pixel depth of field remains to be seen. I wouldn't want to sacrifice primary camera quality to add a secondary, rarely-used camera, but others might. I also think the battery life difference will be greater than the capacity difference would indicate, since its Android is pure and always up to date. There's also my dislike of slippery glass backs, but it hardly gets more subjective than that since most use cases.
As for the price difference over the smaller Pixel 2, I agree that the €100 put into the 6.0" 1440p FullVision display makes it a no-brainer. I also think you're spot on when it comes to price degradation, and the initial price difference may even be in the V30's favour for those of us who are European and reside outside of the UK or Germany.
The other day I saw someone holding an iPhone 7 Plus with a dongle attached, and you know what? The sight actually made me a little sad. Losing the jack is not a consumer win, and while I'm not currently dependent on wired alternatives on the go, it would limit future options.
Yes, but the V30 is comparable in screen size and resolution to the Pixel 2 XL, not the Pixel 2. Also, expect sales and discounts far sooner and far better with the V30 than the Pixel 2.
There's nothing about Google at this Google event the Pixel 2 is more of an iPixels.
Pixel book - Weight and thinness for 1000USD only, Fully soldered 100% anti consumer.
Removed 3.5mm port for no reason or nothing reasonable even mentioned.., Apple's reason was courage.
All the laptops, desktops and their chipsets They all sport 3.5mm jacks with SPDIF optical + mic and headset. Dedicated soundcards like ASUS Xonar, Creative SoundBlaster X RGB they ship with gold caps and high grade chips with proper 7.1 Dolby and Surround certification + THX Audio and even MSI uses Nahimic DSP + ESS Sabre chips in their high end gaming GT series, Even the latest trashbook pro's with USB C have a jack which is meh with Apple's Cirrus Logic used across all their devices, My Samsung Galaxy S with Wolfson chip + Linux kernel level driver (Voodoo mod) offering huge control options for user trumps most of the devices, Also the iPod5.5G of mine with a more superior Wolfson chip.
The Audio is always Analog, Digital is in your computer or streamed as data but the audio is only audible in Analog. And every phone has an DAC chip to convert all the data you feed to the mic to the chip and mobo and OS, the DAC converts its so that you can listen to it.
Going digital will make things complicated, Like for eg in every dongle you have to rewire the DAC to the USB to the chipset and SoC to make sure that the Audio dongle works. The 3.5mm is still standard across, your Passenger jets, Fighter Jets, Professional Audio, Casual user, Audiophile community. Why ? Because it just works, the mechanical strength of the 3.5mm port is robust plus the 360 degree freedom and the USB C using the Digital line needs another circuitry and breaks standard. Ultimately this 3.5mm port is the de-facto standard deployed on ALL systems across the world.
Apple did for 3 reasons.
1) Apple has two different lines of wireless devices that sell for premium prices. Beats and Airpods (Which are literal trash grade sounding, using an W1 chip is to bridge that steps one takes to pair them and accelerometer + gyro aren't ground breaking when coming to the purpose, ofc one wont buy them for audio but for convenience while they still work with the iPhones which have the 3.5mm adapter)
2) Each and every lightning to 3.5 needs MFi certification that will give them continuous stream of revenue on all audio gear and including the people who use the 3.5mm old headsets + those dongle money, Apple became a dongle company from tech company all the innovation and brave policy of Apple is gone with Steve, Tim is nothing but Ballmer at M$, who ruined Nokia and M$ both..
3) Strong DRM control, Closing analog will make then have control over the I/O, A thoroughly made 100% business focused decision.
3a) Please don't bring the space waste B$ to here, see Note 8 PCB design and a hint, check the MXM GPUs on MSI GT83VR and Titan and Clevo P870DM3 which are sporting a 1080 GPU which is socketed and has power to beat the Desktop chips. PCB design is to adhere by OEMs standards don't spout what Coolaid corporate Orwellians demand showing that Taptic engine and missing space...
This Apple's CEO is a beancounter and a disease to the innovation as they keep in raising the walls of their utopia where ignorance is bliss.
Next up thinking about the USB C Audio, that standard barely materialized and lacks proper standard, Pixel for eg doesn't have Video out and iPhone's old 40 pin has dedicated Audio line, the new 3.5mm adapter has only DAC while the AMP works from the Phone, for Apple it's easy but for the people it's complicated on multiple stages.
a - No proper audio quality, the DAC chips which will be used in the dongles are undocumented, forget the phones which are offering dedicated DAC/AMP in theirs - Axon 7's DAC HiFi works on LineageOS too a unique one, HTC 10, Vivo is famous for their HiFi. Cheap knockoff ones will sound worse, If you add a DAC inside a headphone that ruins the purchase for many as not all will like that sound signature where as Analog 3.5mm ones can have clear audio tuned for that IEM/Headset.
b - Dongles - More space waste inside your pocket and no standard, perhaps iPhone ecosystem is standard, can't match tot he 3.5mm spectrum but on USB C it's worse doesn't and doesn't have any AMP or any Analog line, it's 100% digital so you MUST ship one with a proper circuit with no cross compatibility (Try to use U11 dongle on the HTC 10, btw 10 beats U11 in audio since the AMP is not powerful enough vs the 10)
c - BT and Wireless ? they existed since Nokia and work the same, Perhaps the LDAC and APTX but they need licensing and even with 3.5mm jack wireless works the same, Waterproofing also exists the same, Note 8 is a perfect answer it has a full silo for S-Pen + an always on Home button like apple's taptic gimmick and retains IP68 and has multiple Biometric security with the 3.5mm port under water with S-Pen removed too. LG v30 does, v20 did with HiFi Audio. AND the batteries go dead in these wireless sets, make drain more and eventually go to garbage with the planned obsolescence device of yours. Where as normal 3.5mm ones last until they die
d - High quality Audio is existing, HiFi gear is widely available without any complications, in the end everyone uses it, The wear and tear resistance is higher on the jack vs the USB C which often breaks and the 2 degree possibility vs the 360 degree beats this greedy ******** decision of Apple, Plus the wea
So I don't see any advantage plus Unfortunately due to the stupid CEOs who is following the blind lead of Apple, M$ is shifted to Apple type marketing, UWP going against .exe Win32 apps, idk why all companies are obsessed with this company Apple while their whole ecosystem is limited and not deployed across multiple HW, for eg - Windows works in Govt, Military and critical mission control systems, Apple can't match that but unfortunately the people just chose form over function and made Apple that huge, look where are we. Soon the eSIM will come in the iPhones (I called it first) & planned obsolescence push further, Draconian controls, How much further you will bend, we said okay to the dedicated video ports to wireless, IR blasters, Now removable batteries also gone and now next is this ?? Question yourselves to believe what they say or the real facts which base on liberty and choice, an essential aspect for humans.
P.S - Want recommendations on IEMs ? Try Yamaha EPH100, Dunu Titan 1, RHA MA 750, Shure SE215, VSonic GR07 There are hybrid drivers which cover most of the audio spectrum with clarity on mids, lows and highs like Dunu DN1000, FLC 8S, XBA A3 as midrange & Shure SE846, IE800, Andromeda as high end.
AirPods clone - Google Buds - Same price, Still has wires and can I expect seamless integration ? Not even M$ can achieve with Windows OS, Chrome OS is far cry from what those desktop OSes are & no AptX rating or no LDAC support either, better to buy MDR 1000X with LDAC, Pay for translation realtime ? how often I'm going to use it ? Asking 160USD for them.
Live Photos clone - Motion Camera, No dual cameras (Not that I like this fake depth bokeh), saw the DXO's pictures of the software bokeh ? ugh..
Pricing to the north of 1000USD - iPhone X price for a lame duck iPixel2.
Care to justify why I should for a simple OEM skin or perhaps Google Lens ? Samsung S8 has IP68, Wireless charging, GearVR + Daydream + Note 8 dual camera plus S-Pen, Iris scanner and Better displays, SD Slot, No camera humps. While V30 best camera, HiFi DAC + MQA - uses QuadDAC chip for Tidal streams.
ARCore demos - ARkit demos.
EOL - iPixel - dead in 2 years and overshadowed soon by S9 with SD845, iPhones - 4 years. iPhone 5S supports iOS 11 (2017 and plus) & Nexus 5 - MM (2015)
Resale - iPixel 40% in 4-6 months, iPhone - 70-60%.
Made for Google - A 1:1 MFi clone again - See the links of pricing and the "Use with your Pixel" lines, the 3.5mm dongle basic one costs 20 bucks + $10 extra over Apple. AND a similar take at Apple's
Lightning to lightning+3.5mm -
USB C - USB C+3.5mm - 5 bucks+ over the Apple.
Why should I buy the iPhone clone / wannabe ? for that DXO shilling (Check iPhone 8 / + DXO page comments to know more on this paid reviewer) ? A11 just incinerates the Snapdragons, It's just Google trying to mimic Apple in every possible way from Marketing to the device feature set.
Buy the RHA MA750s for $100 for stellar sound or buy Shure SE series (removable cable) and buy
the BT cable that allows you to choose either 3.5mm cable or that or VSonic GR07 2017 or Yamaha EPH100, Dunu Titan 1 which offer superb sound. Go upper ? Get the XBA A3, Dunu DN1000/ IE80 / DN2000, FLC 8S which give run for money to the sub 700+ dollar sets under 400 & Sony MDR 1000X for LDAC (Not a solution for the wired audio at all, pay for this more licensing and all and it doesn't even work with Win10, the AptX doesn't work on 10 atleast & only Oreo supports it in the software stack) Wireless + wired option.
Vote with your wallet !! Don't buy this clone and paying more for less features, What does this distinguish from V30/S8 they both have better for less pricing and have SD slots too apart from wireless charging, V30 has even Qnovo adaptive with longer battery life.
P.S 2 - Google just forgot what made them achieve this position - Nexus program and AOSP with the emphasis on more Google Play Services and their reliability over the AOSP elements this clearly shows how Google is positioning their arena, remember the rumor on the Andromeda OS ? Fuschia OS now, It operates on the base of the MIT license it's nothing like GPLv2 which is already violated by many and misused, the Snapdragon monopoly exists BUT they are the only ones who are OSS, they have CAF forum dedicated for all the Snapdragons, which sets them miles miles ahead of the other SoC vendors like Samsung Exynos, Huawei Kirin, Mediatek (always hostile towards the GPLv2) & OEMs like Xiaomi which are super super late to the releasing sources & conflicting reports of sending data to China, controversial BL unlock scene, Developing their own processor. Now since Apple introduced the Bionic (lol?) their NPU - Neural Processing Unit, Kirin announced before them on their new upcoming 970 SoC that will be closed source again, more proprietary standards and DRMs, forget the OSS and Custom ROM and longevity of the devices with already placed locks, Qualcomm on the other hand IIRC their Hexagon DSP is open for ML/Ai Algo, but future is bleak from what I see nowadays, Face ID tech and all which is Passive Biometric scanning, Once the big brother & corporates get's it mainstreamed, More power to them, since our data is an asset nowadays, more valuable than Oil and it will keep on growing exponentially that way.
Absolutely. I only mentioned the smaller Pixel 2 because pricing is the reason killkenny1 stopped considering it. Judging by specs, the XL and V30 may even use the exact same P-OLED panel.
Yeah, what Mitlov said.
The XL costs more than V30, 940 Euros. But that's only for 64GB, which is not enough for me (my current 64GB microSD card on my Blackberry is full), and 128GB version is over 1k Euros (Jeez, when did phones became that expensive, why didn't I receive any memo?!?).
And honestly, I don't see what is in Pixel 2/XL what would be worth a grand of moneys. I can see the value in Note 8, because it's basically one of its kind. I see it in iPhone X, mainly because of the Apple tax. But Pixel 2/XL? Nope! They don't even offer earphones.
The only redeemable feature Google has to offer is pure stock Android plus updates. Oh and yes, it doesn't have glass back, like a lot of phones seem to have these days.
Ashtrix, you say there was nothing about Google at this Google event. Were we watching the same event? The Pixel 2 has Google Lens ability to search and find info about anything you point your phone at, and you can access Google Assistant at any time by giving the phone a quick squeeze, and it’s always listening and will even auto-identify music playing in the background and put its name on your lock screen and allow you to pull up more information with a tap. The Pixelbook is the first laptop with Google Assistant. The Pixel Buds can do Google Translate in real time, so someone is talking to you in Japanese and you’re hearing it in English. That’s a hop skip and jump away from Star Trek...and it’s all about Google.
But the metal back also means it can’t use wireless charging, unlike the S8+, Note 8, V30, and iPhone X. I’ve got wireless charging pads at both home and work, and my next car will likely have one.
True true. I didn't mention that because I don't use it (heh, I still use micro USB, and I don't think I saw anyone using USB-C cable from the people I know).
But it is a disadvantage, not having this (and all other features we already talked about in this thread) feature, when all other phones in same price category (or even cheaper) have it.
I think the pixel 2 is AWESOME. unlimited photo/video storage, google lens, I don't care about wireless charging as plugged in is MUCH MUCH Faster, The size of the regular pixel 2 is dead on perfect. I think it is awesome.
They always have actually...right from the time the first galaxy was released...LG usually releases something very similar. The google pixel is more aligned with the iPhone than other android.....I guess that's why I love it so much...I love my iPhone.
Main reason I'm personally interested in the Pixel 2 XL compared to other flagships is what's
potentially a killer camera and stock Android (offline, always active music identifying doesn't hurt). If I get the V30 instead, I'll probably flash LineageOS, which unfortunately would mean making the camera worse. Mate 10 Pro looks interesting too, but Kirin 970 means no LineageOS/AOSP. Choice is good!
Disagree that LG and Samsung are normally similar. The Galaxy S6 and LG G4 were diametric opposites in many ways, as were the S7 and G5. The G6 is the first LG in a while that shared hardware philosophies with its Samsung contemporary.
SuperSaf sounds impressed by the portrait mode, and how it also works great with the selfie module, along with HDR+. I look forward to his camera comparison, once the software's gone final. He also says the device feels really nice in-hand, while others comment how the metal feels plasticky (LG G5 anyone?). I wonder why the Pixel 2 can't do 4K@60fps when the Note 8 is getting an update to enable the feature. Perhaps the EIS is too resource heavy, or would drain the battery too fast at that framerate. I'm guessing a simple media_profiles.xml edit or a modded camera app would enable the feature. Battery life might be another primary selling point of the XL, since 3520 mAh should net a very high standby time given the improvements in Oreo.
Availability might be the real deal breaker to me. The more popular white & black colour quickly went out of stock
, and the only place I know of which offers international shipping is eBay, where the markup is insane and usually involves bidding. That's pretty bad news, since I'd be paying 25% VAT of the item price with shipping, not of the device's actual value. If I can't get my mittens on a Pixel 2 XL well before MWC '18, I definitely won't be getting it.
EDIT: Finally found a shop offering the Pixels at MSRP ex. VAT. I went for the 128GB Pixel 2 XL in black & white. The store stated they expect to have both the XL and its smaller sibling in stock at the end of October, which I'm doubtful of, but we'll see. Now I just need to find a good 27W USB-PD charger.
I wasn't aware of the different finishes. Should probably have realised when looking at photos. This would explain why some find the Pixel 2 XL plasticky, and goes to show the black and white model is more iPhone Jet Black than LG G5.
Reviews are out, and so are details on the Pixel Visual Core IPU, which will be enabled in Android 8.1. Not only does it process HDR+ five times faster than Qualcomm's IPU at a fraction of the power consumption; every app developer will be able to integrate HDR+ through the native Android Camera API.
So... plastic coating like the G5. I prefer a smudge-free, textured feel to slippery glass either way, but there is something to be said about that cold, metal feel. A Nokia Lumia approach would probably have been better, as it would have made the phone more durable and uncomplicate the inclusion of antennas and wireless charging, but manufacturers feel too insecure to use anything other than metal or glass since they're easier to market as premium than "polycarbonate". The leather back of the LG G4 wasn't really a bad idea either, but it does scratch and most people let it dry out.
Another thing is that the Pixel 2 XL, unsurprisingly, has the same display weaknesses as the V30. It's not as power-efficient or bright as Samsung's latest, but
it's still a good display.
What Google really needs to sort out, however, is the wireless audio situation.
The grain and uneven light at low light is a big deal if you read e-books or do a lot of email in dark rooms or in bed. For some people this is a non-issue, but I do think it's a significant issue for a significant percentage of potential customers, myself included.
I've yet to see the V30 or XL in person, but I am mildly concerned. I do use my phone at the lowest brightness setting at times, most commonly right before sleeping or during evening flights, with a dimmed cabin. There are also
new reports of burn-ins. Graininess on this LG panel is unavoidable, and so is uneven lighting to some degree. More significant issues seen in occasional reports I would think are irregularities that would warrant an RMA. Not that shipping your brand new phone back and playing the waiting game is any fun...
The fact that Google uses TensorFlow for the machine learning components of the Pixel Visual Core has started speculation that the custom processor could be used to run the Android neural networking API, just like Huawei's NPU in the Mate 10, come Android 8.1. If true, that would put the Pixel 2 in a bit of a unique position.
Google's response to burn-ins, or “differential aging” as they like to call it, is not limited to the fade-out navigation bar seen in Android 8.1 Developer Preview. They've also decided to reduce the maximum brightness by 50 nits. According to
PhoneArena's mesurements, the current maximum is 460 nits – 110 nits lower than the Galaxy S8. The 11% reduction will make the display dimmer than the budget-minded OnePlus 5, a change which Google says “is virtually imperceptible”. They did, however, extend the warranty of both Pixels to two years since Google's confident the phones “provide an exceptional smartphone experience.”
I'm not happy google is dimming down the display, but its great they will increase the color vibrancy. I went and looked at the XL in person, and now I'm considering getting either a Pixel2 or XL. the XL is a little bigger than I wanted, but I'm not sure I can live with the huge borders of the regular model. I'm also considering switching to Project Fi.
You don't notice the "borders" really. I am using an iPhone 6s atm and bezels don't bother me in the least. the pixel 2 is an awesome device and I would not hesitate to get it at all. The bezel police will hound you but at the end of the day, small bezels do NOTHING for the functionality of the phone imo.
Ever since I updated my Pixel XL 1 to 8.0 my proximity sensor has not been working during phone calls and I keep hitting buttons etc and I cannot find the option anywhere. Has anyone experienced this?
I totally agree with you, but this being a late 2017 phone, it's as if they didn't even try minimizing the bezels on the non-XL phone at a time when everyone is moving to no bezels.
People always act like an OS creator like Google or Microsoft would inherently make better hardware for that OS than a third-party OEM like Samsung or Dell, but between the spate of QC issues that Surface products have had, and the totally botched launch of the Pixel 2 XL, I really wonder if there's any basis in that belief.
With Google, it's definitely a case of making the OS better for the hardware than the other way around. The OG Pixels were halo products. Hardware wasn't, and still isn't, a major source of revenue to the company. Obviously, they're trying to change that, but the HTC deal is still fresh, and thus their new assets aren't being used to their full potential. Even very resourceful companies need time to nail the distribution side of a complex business.
It's always about the software with Google, getting in on the instant updates as part of being close to the source generating new Android updates.
The Pixel 2 XL hardware is great, just not "the best", it's certainly far more than good enough to take advantage of the closeness to Google Android updates, and the screen looks very livable.
Google has a tough time with generating hardware that is great, but doesn't cast a shadow over their hardware partners.
It's fine line to put together a hardware platform Google can manufacture profitably enough to pay for the creation and support, while not taking away too much business from their hardware partners.
I think the Pixel 2 XL is the right fit, with the Pixel 2 as a great supporting phone with enough differences to make owners feel happy getting it and saving some $ over getting the XL.
David Lee had some good comments:
Pixel 2 XL - Does The Screen REALLY Suck?
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
