Toshiba P50T-BST2N01 4K laptop UNBOXING

Sorry I meant HM86, it has been corrected

Hopefully you are able to re-use the optical drive bezel, as I believe the caddies don't come with a matching bezel plate, otherwise it going to look rather ugly.

 

1st link said it is Special Designed For Apple , so it will most likely not work.

2nd link said it is IDE interface , so it will definitely not work.

3rd and 4th link are for 12.7mm , so it wont fit.

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So far the only thing I know is that the drive in there is 9.5mm SATA drive.
And I have found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Generic-Unive...1808&sr=8-9&keywords=9.5mm+caddy+sata+toshiba

Most likely this is the one that will work, but until someone buys it and actually tried, noone really knows what works and what will not.

 

Thanks for the feedback. This is the only thing keeping me from buying this laptop as I want to be able to swap out the DVD drive for a HDD/SSD. Do you think you might try the Amazon caddy you found? I was going to buy the Lenovo YP50 that also has a 4K display because I can have a MSATA drive + HDD/SSD but it is nowhere to be found.

 

Yeah an equivalent spec 1080p machine such as the inspiron 17 7000 is about 2/3rds the price. The MacBook pro retina and dell xps are considerably more expensive but have ssds and much lighter and nicer designs.

I have seen many 4k youtube videos on the 15 inch MacBook pro with retina display, and quite a few times on the 13.3 inch Samsung ativ book 9 plus. I can see a small increase in sharpness on the 9 plus with the 3200 x 1800 screen but overall quality on the retina MacBook pro is better. I would like to see the xps 15 but there isn't anywhere to do so. How much better would you say the videos are on your screen? Also do 1080p videos look soft because of the scaling involved? Is 720p much worse?

With the price difference and since this is not portable I might buy myself a 1080p equivalent spec machine and put the price difference towards an external 4k monitor also that won't be ips or be tuned for colour accuracy unless I pay £1000 almost as much as this machine. The Lenovo y50 isn't any lighter and doesn't have the blu-ray drive like this one. I doubt dell will just add this screen to the existing xps 15.

My other concern is whether when hevc content and vp9 becomes more common place. I read that the amd graphics card can aid decoding of hevc but obviously that isn't anywhere near as good as full hardware decoding. I think the processor will probably be able to decode 2160p30 8 bit 4:2:0 hevc which will likely be most popular in the near future but since this isn't a standard you can't just replace the graphics card when 2160p60/120 10bit 4:2:2 becomes the standard.

I have read on some forums although I doubt this that the amd graphics card doesn't utilise hardware acceleration for 4k h264 video. Are you able to look at the processor use when watching 1080p and 4k video to compare and confirm this isn't the case?

Thanks

 

Which version of Samsung EVO 840 should I get: SSD only or SSD with laptop kit? What is laptop kit? Thanks.

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A laptop that is 17" is much larger than 15" and is in a different category., so is something else smaller. The MacBook is not a windows machine, using boot camp does not actually turn it into a fully compliant windows machine in every aspect (although close), also in a league of it own, the build on these a one for all and consistent.

Bottom line is this is a PC laptop with a 3840 x 2160 panel, really cannot compare with anything else. The chassis design is reused from last year, and is adequate for what it does. No doubt there will be better notebooks around with the same or similar panel, but for now this is it.

 

Just buy one that you would use for the desktop. You do not need laptop kit.

 

All your codec questions largely depends on what media player you use, and how you setup your filters on your Media Player.
Also, unless you are comparing this laptop to another one that has 15.6 inch 3840 x 2160 res, it is not really a fair comparison.

 

A friend used their colour calibration software and hardware tool to check the screen. Seems the 4K panel calibrated out of the box, is actually not. Appears that after the calibration there is a significant reduction in the amount of blue hue on the screen.

 

Good finding. Was your friend able to tell you how good/bad the calibration is out of box?

 

I might, but not in the near future...since I already have 1TB for my main drive, not in a hurry to add 2nd drive anytime soon.

However, look at this pic:
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I just realized that the Wifi card interface looks like mSATA, but it also could be PCI express mini card interface:

https://superuser.com/questions/587424/msata-drive-swap-for-wireless-card

 

I pretty much watched it with my own eyes. After calibration I could see less blue hue, especially on white backgrounds. The software creates a colour profile and then let you check the before and after with toggle switch buttons.

 

That will not work, will need some kind of BIOS support, and mSATA is actually connected to SATA bus ports. Although is you look next to it are some interesting not connected pins, but these don't match a mSATA connection. There is someone on the Toshiba forum (think it was a P70) in which they have a mSATA slot soldered onto there motherboard, then they complained on the forum it would not work. Basically if there is no BIOS support in the first instance then likely not going to work or be supported.

 

So i'm going to ask the question you've probably answered a hundred times in this thread.
For those who own this laptop was it worth it? Mine is out for delivery now, But till I open it I'm curious if i should just return it.

 

I'm curious if I should do this for this laptop Amazon.com: WD Black2 Dual Drive 2.5" 120 GB SSD + 1 TB HDD Kit (WD1001X06XDTL): Computers & Accessories I'll know by the end of the week what a SSD drive actually feels like, but this drive seems like it'd go nice with this laptop.

 

I too am really curious about this. Would love to hear from more owners.

The only reason I'm still on the fence is the DVD drive. I don't want it and I want to be sure i can replace it with a HDD. My ideal setup would be a 500 GB SSD for applications and the OS with a 1.5 TB HDD for data. I just need to know that I can install some type of caddy to replace the DVD drive with a HDD and i can then install a SSD where the HDD used to be.

 

Does anyone know if this Toshiba laptop can output 4k at 60hz?

 

well mine has just been delivered, I haven't opened it yet though.

 

My first question is how did you remove the back? Next I already opened and started putting things together but I admit I hate how the mouse feels... I like how the laptop feels overall but hate the mouse and also the DVD drive really doesn't like it when you move your laptop around.
Next I notice it has one problem that the HP laptops have and by that it only has one vent and it gets pretty darn hot because of it.

 

Mine is not that hot compared to an HP and much quieter. Cooling is pretty good considering it is a single fan solution.

 

While I should correct myself and say that it isn't nearly as bad as an HP Laptop... yeah HP laptop you could really burn yourself bad if you touch it after so long.
Still after trying other laptops yeah This thing does get warm... Not hot enough to hurt but still warm.

 

It is mid range laptop, general consumer class, heat like this is expected and normal, especially for the hardware level it is running.

 

HDMI output is 4K 30Hz. I dont think there is ANY graphic card supports HDMI 2.0 port out there yet.

 

How mouse feels? You meant the touchpad?
Also on page 3 of this very thread I have shown the locations of screws.

 

Okay so I am about to buy one Any reason why I should hold off? That 4K display better be good

And I really hope I can replace that optical drive with a HDD caddy as I need two hard drives in this computer.

 

Its good, but not entirely amazing. There is a muddy hue like a oil slick which is mostly noticeable when looking at white backgrounds, it actually somewhere in between the glass and display, likely the touch component. The screen is not that bright either.

For me, my MacBook Pro Retina has clean whites and brighter screen so wins there. Even my HP dv6 looks better and slightly brighter even if it is 1080p

 

Though I found the hue less noticeable when changing the chromatune setting to Full, and screen looks a bit brighter at that setting.

 

Try out my colour calibrated profile and anyone else that has this laptop. Every panel is different, but if there is not that much variation between them at this stage then it may well be close enough.

Add it through Windows control panel under heading colour management.

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btw. Will not get rid of the oil slick (that what I am calling it as) in between the glass and panel.

 

Has anyone done a clean install of Windows on this laptop? Does Toshiba offer all the drivers and application utilities for download that the laptop ships with? Would I miss out on anything if I do a clean install? I usually do a clean install on al my laptops.

When I get mine, I plan to install a 500 GB SSD and do a clean install of Windows.

 

Yikes so I found the list of drivers...

Where do I start and where do we end? That's a crazy long list!

Satellite P50T-BST2N01 Support | Toshiba

 

This is the reason I do not want to clean install on this laptop, it takes way too much time and not really worth it unless you have
an absolute reason to do it.

Use Recovery Media Creator and restore to factory default is much faster.

 

Yes but you should be able to do a clean install.. Just look at this mess. Just for WIFI, they list 4 different drivers by 4 different manufacturers. For the Video card, that's another r3 completely different drivers and manufacturers.

It's like they are throwing all the drivers at you. Who gets to paid to work at Toshiba, maintain the drivers, and not even bother to at least list the drivers specific to a certain model? I always do clean installs but the Toshiba driver section is a disgrace...

Atheros Wireless Lan DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 10.0.0.279 | Size: 37.45M
Broadcom Wireless LAN DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 6.30.223.227 | Size: 26.14M
Intel Wireless LAN DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 16.8.0.7.0.s64_wCAT | Size: 21.85M
Intel ProsetPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 16.7.0.0.2.s64_wCAT | Size: 92.29M

 

Have you tried live chat on Toshiba support site?

Buy Laptop Computer Systems and Accessories | Toshiba

 

If you are getting anything less than the Intel 7260 wireless card then you are getting ripped off

 

I think it is better to go to Device Manager and check through every one of them so you will know which ones to get.

And I have confirmed the laptop has Intel AC 7260 WiFi.

 

Thank you so much! Could you please help me figure out the correct touch pad, video, sound, and Bluetooth drivers? The Toshiba Web site of course apparently lists everything driver they had ever used in a laptop... This will I am sure help anyone else who will do a clean install of Windows. I can post a message later summarizing all the correct drivers that I had used for the benefit of others in the future.

Touch pad:
Elan Touch Pad DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 11.8.19.3 | Size: 122.15M
Synaptics TouchPad DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 18.0.9.0 | Size: 169.03M

Video:
AMD Display DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 13.351.1001-140214a-168187C-Toshiba | Size: 315.21M
Toshiba Display UtilityPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 1.2.2.0 | Size: 42.14M
Intel Display DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 10.18.10.3412 | Size: 142.65M

Sound: (I assume Realtek is the actual driver -- should I install DTS Sound and Toshiba Audio?)
DTS Sound UtilityPosted Date: 2014-04-09 | Version: 1.01.6600 | Size: 8.81M
Realtek Audio DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 6.0.1.7173 | Size: 199.83M
Toshiba Audio EnhancementPosted Date: 2014-03-13 | Version: 2.0.17.3 | Size: 4.84M

Bluetooth:
Atheros Bluetooth Filter Driver PackagePosted Date: 2014-04-09 | Version: 8.0.1.316 | Size: 65.96M
Intel Bluetooth Filter DriverPosted Date: 2014-03-19 | Version: 3.0.1342.2 | Size: 8.9M

 

Mark In bold above, then just grab latest mobility drivers direct from AMD.
You may need the above utility for increased functionally, although likely not ne

 

Many thanks for listing it out!

Also for those of you who own this laptop, to see what your panel TRULY capable of,

here is a thread where you can find some MUCH better looking 4K video than those you will find on youtube:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1500134/anyone-know-where-to-find-4k-test-files-not-youtube

SSD is RECOMMENDED for smooth playback! Since some of them can easily go beyond bitrate of 50MB/s or higher. I dont know if Hybrid HDD will be able to handle it without stuttering.

Also I use this great media player called MPC-HC:

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/XP_Codec_Pack.htm

Download and install this, it will come with MPC-HC and that player can decode probably 99% of video format out there.

When you playback the video, there is a MadVR icon, right click on it and go into settings.
After a lots of trial and error , I found choosing nearest neighbor for chroma scaling is the best balance for the performance and quality.

Here is a link regarding MadVR:

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=80253.0

 

I have been looking through the thread that you have linked, most of those in the first link look like they come from YouTube, and the other links are showing source as 1080p at most yet named 4K.

I did notice after I converted a YouTube 4K video that was only a few minutes long, from ~600MB to just over 2GB, my hard drive (8GB cache) could not handle playback. Can see why you would need/want a SSD for anything that hasn't been compressed. I did look at the 1TB SSD model but way more than I am willing to spend, besides all my cash has been spent as the Toshiba is not exactly cheap. I will consider a 480GB SSD as these seem to be near 33-40% the price of the 1TB model, but again need to pay this off first. Strangely enough I am fairly happy with the hybrid drive, not exactly fast but is just ok enough to be usable, so much better than a HDD with zero cache.

I am really enjoying the Toshiba 4K notebook, in the way it is actually very well built compared to others in the same class, I under estimated a bit to much an assumed to many things. Although the 4K panel the only thing I can say that really bothers me is the sparkly oily looking film that in between the screens or coating or whatever it is. I don't see this on any other notebook I have (or have had), and if I compare other touch screens I have then they don't have this issue. I can tilt a MS Surface Pro and see such a film, but very slightly, although once looking straight on there isn't no issue. With the Toshiba 4K there is no escaping the what I could described as "noise" between the screen layers, no matter what angle the screen is moved to.

 

I have just purchased a newM550SSD and I wanted to use it to replace my HDD on my notebook. I installed the SSD and bootupmy notebook and I could see the SSD in my BIOS. I then boot into windows using the recovery media stored on myUSB stickand delete all files in the new SSD.

During the deleting process, I realized that I will recover the windows and the SSD will be formatted anyway so I pressed the cancel button. The delete process was halted and the notebook shut down after that. I then turned it on again to start the recovery process but I received "Instruction at referenced memory could not be read" error message. I then went into BIOS and I found that the SSD could not be detected anymore.

I have put the SSD into an external enclosure and connect to my other computer but it could not be detected as well.

Could you guys please give some advise on it? Have I just killed it?

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Strange, working then not working. I'm wondering if the is some kind of compatibility issue with the model of SSD, which maybe be addressing the controller that is on that SSD. If there is only a firmware upgrade and maybe a BIOS upgrade will fix.

If there is no issue and is something you may have done to tigger it and you recover it with something simple e.g. A power cycle, then you try a disk clone rather than a restore. Does not sound ideal but could be feasible.

 

If you are referring to the same sparkle effect, oily like film, that seems to be between the screen. I have been searching google for the answer, and it seems this is common addition to anti-glare coatings that are used on anti-glare monitors. Its a shame really that it is used on screen that is already glossy. In any case the sparkly effect is really getting to me, look terrible and really sucks once you scroll the screen on white or bright backgrounds, in which the sparkly coating stays static while the image on the screen moves behind it.

 

The 4K screen is made by Sharp with IGZO?
Maybe use AID64 can show us some details

 

Satellite P50t 4K Ultra HD Laptop | Toshiba

Official site listed IGZO panel, just scroll all the way down to the bottom.

 

This is really starting to drive me crazy. None of my notebooks or devices have this sparkly effect, with the exception of a couple of old anti-glare desktop monitors I have. I have searching IGZO but there does not seem to be any sparkle

I went back to the store I brought the Toshiba 4K from, they didn't have the other notebook (one other they have seal in box) on display yet, so could not compare. Although nothing in the store I could not see this effect, on any other notebook, tablet, or desktop. They suggested that I write to the Toshiba support forums, I said what good is that going to do, as no one will understand let alone care on there, especially considering that forum moves as fast as stagnant water.
Not acceptable considering the price paid for 4K, it should be near flawless.

Google this and you will know what I mean exactly: dell monitor anti-glare sparkle

e.g. http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1070329

And this is what you would do to get rid of it, but there is no way to get rid of it with the Toshiba 4K and why would want to, as was not expecting this.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1216559/...oating-from-a-dell-u2312hm-monitor-and-others


Is it just me or does this panel actually have a glittery, fussy, oily, sparkle between the screen? Anyone please answer, need to know if it is common for this panel?

 

My laptop is supposed to arrive on Tuesday. I will let you know how it looks. If it has a stupid coating that makes things hazy, Toshiba will have to pay for return shipping and give me a full refund. I looked at your link for the Dell monitor and that coating definitely affects the optical quality of the screen. They need to come up with a better way to cut down glare than some hazy mess.

 

There defiantly a coating on the screen, although the screen does not have an anti glare coating, it appears to certainly have an anti fingerprint coating.

I am going to see if I can return my unit (that's if my local store will take it back).

Having it Technicolor certified, IGZO, IPS, touchscreen, IPS, and 4K resolution, then having some noise to distort actual screen you are trying to enjoy to the fullest, is just crazy which is totally not acceptable.

I tried to ignore it, but the more I see it, especially between switching notebooks (or anything), the more it bothers me.

If you google: Toshiba 4k laptop anti fingerprint coating then you will see that the announcement mentions an anti fingerprint coating

Toshiba

I am suspecting the anti fingerprint coating to be the cause. Either way, even is its not, there is a coating on there that has the same effect almost exactly like the Dell monitor anti-glare coatings that are not have been favourable. I own a Dell U2412M and have just put the notebook side by side to this monitor, and can confirm the shimmer sparkle effect is very close to identical, even though the Toshiba has a glossy coating, the intensity and characteristics are the same

 

Adding the shimmer issue with this notebook. I have been looking at this screen/panel some more, as mentioned before there is a definitive shimmer
In reality due to the screen being a very reflective glossy screen, it should in theory not have any shimmer at all!

Appears that it can often be normal for anti glare coated panels to have a shimmer

And it appears that glossy screen should not have any shimmer at all, but the Toshiba 4K actually does!

e.g. what I am talking about for an example Anti-Glare coatings, discussion/Poll. - [H]ard|Forum

This crappy shimmering effect on the Toshiba 4K panel is terrible, it is actually very pronounced, especially on lighter colours, easy seen on whites and greys. This forums has the ideal light backgrounds to see the shimmer, where as a site like the Hardforum (as linked above) with dark background is not so bad. In any case looking at photos, movies, or anything where there are light areas, it allows the experience of shimmering overlay to be seen.

Bottom line is the colour accuracy is not going to be perfect, as you have to deal with the shimmer noise, i.e. white is not a pure white, it is a white mixed with a dispersed light, meaning white will have somewhat murky effect with hints of reds and blues

 

To all that are following this thread thinking about buying, BEWARE OF THE SHIMMER EFFECT OF THE TOSHIBA P50T-B 4K PANEL

No one (reviewer) is likely going to see this shimmer issue and then mention it in reviews once (if) they are put up on the internet.

If you want to have your light colours perfect, with white being the best example, then don't buy the Toshiba. Dark colours don't matter so much, likely due to less light being defused through the panel/glass.
The Toshiba will introduce your photos to noise from the shimmer. Watching videos will have the static shimmer sitting overlay on top of the motion content that seen on the screen panel beneath.

I tried to ignore the shimmer, but for me really is a deal breaker, as I would on and off continue to focus on the shimmer, there is no way to escape it. It should not be an issue on a panel of this kind of grade, especially considering the price paid. Fortunately I was able to return mine for a refund.

 

So my P50T was just delivered and I need to open it to install the SSD... Can you please let me know how you opened the cover? Did you find screws under the rubber feet or the rubber circular covers? Any advice in carefully opening this without causing damage is very much appreciated

UPDATE:Never mind, I figured it out. You have to remove ALL the rubber plugs covering the screws. Some of them were really difficult to remove an dthere were about 10 of them.

Just installed a 500 GB SSD and but the CD caddy I ordered to install a second HDD did not work. I ordered another CD caddy to try out and should have it here tomorrow. Now installing a clean version of Windows 8.1. Hopefully that will go smoothly with the drivers from the Toshiba Web site.