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    Official Sony VAIO F Series Owners lounge *PART 2*

    Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony Owners' Lounge Forum' started by eagle17, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. vvik75

    vvik75 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Nice videos. Two questions:
    - are you overclocking the 330?
    - what is the game's resolution? 1920*1080?

    Thx,
    v.
     
  2. Rudd89

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    double post :X
     
  3. Derrida

    Derrida Notebook Deity

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    Just to be sure I understood you:

    The model above is listed as having the EU Premium (heretofore matte) screen. Correct? (cf. VPCF11S1E/B (VPCF11S1E/B) : Technical Specifications : VAIO and Computing : Sony)

    You verified that the screen was a true matte screen, not simply an anti-reflective screen. Correct?

    However, you also had the distinct impression that the screen had backlight bleed issues. Correct?

    The bleed issues were located at the bottom of the screen where the lamps are usually placed on a CCFL screen, correct?

    The screen on this model was NOT advertised as RGB LED but only as Premium, correct?

    If all of the above are accurate, then this is evidence of a Premium non-RGB LED screen which is possibly (likely) a dual-lamp CCFL.

    Q.E.D.
     
  4. Derrida

    Derrida Notebook Deity

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    Actually, not odd at all. Graphic designers were traditionally trained on Macs in universities all across the U.S. from day one in no small part because of Apple's leading position in color reproduction. In the late nineties and the first decade of this century I used to always remind designers I worked with who used Macs to check their images on a PC to see what most of the world would be looking at on their Websites!
     
  5. mangosango

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    Thanks :) - I guess I haven't explained my process anywhere yet:

    First, I play the game without overclock, to get some initial impressions and framerates. Then, I turn on the overclock and record gameplay with FRAPS.

    When I record with FRAPS I always overclock because the framerate drop with FRAPS recording is significant enough that I can turn on the overclock on the game and the game performs worse than it would without FRAPS recording and no overclock.

    In each video's description, I list the in-game settings (including the resolution) as well as some framerate values. These values are the framerate of the game WITHOUT OVERCLOCK. For Crysis (and most of my game videos) the resolution is set at 1280x720. 1920x1080 is just too much to record and have the video turn out smoothly. If the game is playable at 1920x1080, I try to list that it is and give some framerates.
     
  6. MelodyMaster

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    Did you by chance install a firewall such as Norton Security, or an older audio program with a burning module, or otherwise do soemthing that would change the CDrom filter? Your CD or DVD drive cannot read or write media
     
  7. OoTLink

    OoTLink Notebook Evangelist

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    I'm aware of this lol, and I usually make a habit of pointing that out to color calibration s too!

    But most of those Mac guys have moved over from PowerMacs with large expensive monitors, to MacBook Pros with cheap TN LCDs not unlike what we're using in our Vaios. So it isn't the same anymore lol. :D
     
  8. Derrida

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    Yes, it is the same -- they're still on Mac platforms. And YOU saw the difference with the change of OS to OSX from Win7 -- the latest Microsoft OS.

    Just because monitor and printing technologies have advanced and are crossing platforms doesn't mean that the Microsoft OS has caught up with Mac OS -- which your posting basically proves. and explains the persistence of the Mac platform in the graphic design departments in universities, et al.
     
  9. Joe Bleau

    Joe Bleau Notebook Virtuoso

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    But... you can edit photos & create a website on a Mac OS that looks great in Safari & it will look like cr@p for the immense majority of your users so who needs that in the real world?

    Check this search: web browsers color profile and try these images on various browsers: Colour Management in your web browser - Test Images.
     
  10. waitwaitwait

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    Thanks mangosango. That made a real difference. Processing time went from 4hr30mins to 20mins. Hyperthreading not good for SQL Server. Glad i went with an i7. Wish Sony would allow changes like that in the bios.
     
  11. MelodyMaster

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    Yes thank you Mr. Clam. It occurs to me that this might also solve the problem I'm having with H264 - DirectMedia - AVIsynth - CCE transcoding, where it takes something like two seconds to render one frame, unlike the the 30 - 50 fps rendering speed I get on the Q9450. The programs involved all brag about using "all four cores"...... !!
     
  12. Derrida

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    Art and "the real world"? Art makes its own world. And the vision of the electronic graphic artist is apparently better wedded to a Mac platform than a PC...

    So, let's use an analogy: Imagine a postcard of the Mona Lisa, a glossy print of La Gioconda, and an afternoon in front of La Joconde at the Louvre. And then imagine an image composed on a Mac with OSX, etc. viewed on Windows 7 and in a glossy print.

    Get it? ;-) To the artist and the art historian, what matters is the original and the perfection and subtlety of its vision and its colors.
     
  13. zebra3

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    100% Official Out of Stock date on the Sony Vaio F11 at Best Buy is:

    June 19th, 2010
     
  14. OoTLink

    OoTLink Notebook Evangelist

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    This isn't entirely true Joe, I'd take Windows on an IPS screen before I'd take a Mac on a TN screen. It's easy to fix, and part of the problem with the Vaio is Sony's default drivers have funky color management profiles enabled that screw things up (but make bluray videos look better).

    Apple does that sometimes too, I've seen a few. XD

    At the end of the day, people settle for subpar screen tech all the time, I don't see why we should be defending it - we should be doing the opposite, and I'm proud of everyone that spoke up and got mad about their LCD.

    E-IPS tech is out there, it's not that much more than TN tech - our Vaios definitely came at a (small) premium where they really should be considering using IPS screens. Granted, those are rare, but so are 16.4" LCDs.

    As for it hitting the consumer market, it might very well happen soon. Cellphones have majorly moved over to OLEDs, and many TVs are PVA (more color accurate, though laggy).

    I don't see why we should put up for crap :) And really? I dunno man. Web development has been a tough sell for years, I remember when people didn't like my websites because they required something other than IE to view them properly. It happens, and pushing the limits is necessary at times.

    Color accuracy is extremely important for print work, though. With video and web work, it's only NICE because if you do your stuff right to begin with, it'll look closer to right. If you're making a website on a really screwed up monitor, it's going to look really weird on everyone else's screens moreso.
     
  15. Joe Bleau

    Joe Bleau Notebook Virtuoso

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    Could you give more details? What version of SQL Server and with hyperthreading disabled, on how many cores does it run?
     
  16. MelodyMaster

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    You'll HAVE to provide a link! Meanwhile.. That's a Saturday, it EXACTLY ties in with the date I've been saying for several months now of the new Fs being released June 26th - Saturday, one week later. WITH i9 and new GPUs.
     
  17. Joe Bleau

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    I actually saw La Joconde at the Louvre more than once as I lived in Paris for over a year. It was a real downer with the thick anti nuke window, security cordon & tourists trying to take photos with flash which is the last thing to do to a painting.

    @ the Galleria degli Uffizi in Firenze, you can practically stick up your nose the Leonardo da Vinci's work providing your hands are held together behind your back if you don't want to be scolded & almost shot by the security guards.

    [​IMG]

    My point is when you make a website for a large audience, you always must check how it will appear on the users computer & that means cross checking browsers & OS's.

    If one wants to optimize it's web site & photos for a very small part of the potential audience then Mac is the way to go. Usage share of operating systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also for photos to be published on the web, sRGB color space is the way to go.

    For printing, that's entire different game with tons of variables from the imaging device to the physical media including everything in between.
     
  18. zebra3

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    ertretwrttretre
     
  19. taichicali

    taichicali Notebook Consultant

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    Hi Everyone,

    I'm considering purchasing the F series Vaio but am not sure which resolution I should get for the screen. Its either 1600x900 or 1920x1080.

    Anyone who owns the 1080, do you find the text too small? I don't want to mess with increasing text size manually as I heard that can distort how web pages display.

    Also, the 1080 screen is $150 more. Is it worth it?

    Anyone who owns a 1600x900 care to chime in?

    Thanks in advance for your responses! I'm hoping to pull the trigger tonight as tiger direct is still running 15% off.
     
  20. Joe Bleau

    Joe Bleau Notebook Virtuoso

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    "...do you find the text too small?" - That's totally subjective & depends on your eyes.

    Search this Thread with: OS scaling.

    Check also the Unification post & display poll in my sig.
     
  21. PUD the Ancient

    PUD the Ancient Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yes the model is listed as having the EU Premium Matte screen.

    Yes it was definitely the matte screen and completely different to the F series they had in with a glossy screen.

    Yes the bleed was coming from the bottom of the screen and going about a quarter of the way up. The rest of the screen looked ok.

    Yes the screen was only advertised as premium and not LED. The review I read on notebookcheck stated it was an LED screen but this seems to be incorrect.

    Should it be LED and are there people who have confirmed LED EU screens?
     
  22. MelodyMaster

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    The point is that as far as I know you're the first person to have EVER complained about the EU Matte screen. That's a game-changer.
     
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    Joe Bleau,

    How to shrink the recovery partition please ?

    Thanks
     
  24. Shin_Akuma

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    I am concerning about the reliability of Sony Vaio F series after reading some horrid reviews at sony website. How common is that?

    I still haven't bought one yet, but I am trying to find out if there is a new F series or new model coming out this Fall. I am going back to college on late August, so I'd like to get a laptop right before September. My plan is to use the laptop for my 2 years in college and an engineer career after college.
     
  25. Joe Bleau

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    You mean w/o a clean install or reinstalling everything? There is a few ways, not finish testing yet. Can you live a few days w/ a few GB less available for C? :)
     
  26. Shin_Akuma

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    By the way, I've heard about the complain from the screen has a bad angle. I hope it's not true since it's a Sony blu ray laptop.
     
  27. MickyMax

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    No problems but I will reinstall my system on a new hd soon... :D
     
  28. Joe Bleau

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    About 99% of units are cr@p. All of us posting here are in the lucky 1%. :cool:
     
  29. new_vaio_F

    new_vaio_F Notebook Evangelist

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    A bit long then I expected, thought it will be the beginning of june.

    And hopefully SONY fix the screen issue this time!

    There is a refresh coming in this summer, scroll back some pages..we've been talking about it. We have to see what will SONY updates on this summer refresh of F. It will be very disappointing if they just add newer CPU and GPU and kept everything the same (which mean have the same issue with current F).
     
  30. Joe Bleau

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    A game changer or an oddball? :confused:

    Everything is relative.
     
  31. PUD the Ancient

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    That is why I wanted to go for the EU premium matte screen, I thought that was pretty much a guarantee of a quality screen. It was about £250 more than the glossy screen model but I am happy to pay for the quality screen.

    Perhaps I was just very unlucky and the next one I look at will be ok. That said the screen was pretty awful, unless you turned the brightness down as far as it would go you could not get rid of the horrible glow in the bottom quarter of the screen. Is it unreasonable to expect uniformly backlight screen? According to reviews it scores pretty highly in this area.
     
  32. Joe Bleau

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    No, not @ all.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  33. MelodyMaster

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    I'm pretty certain that the awful shading issues with the bad US glossy screens (NOT lightbleed, but shading - they're different things) is due to a misaligned polarizer, therefore a defect. There's no reason a screen in a different series couldn't occasionally have a similar defect, such as on your matte screen. The reason I say it's a game-changer is that it proves the point that the shading IS a defect. and not simply because the Gloissy is a cheap screen and can't do any better. And yes, an LED display is just as likely to have a problem with the matrix polarizer.
     
  34. mangosango

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    Np :) I found out about this method of disabling cores when I was reading up on why Splinter Cell: Conviction was running so slowly on the F11. Apparently the game has issues with hyper-threading (but its not the reason why the performance is so bad and the issue, I believe, was solved via the 1.02 patch).

    GRID had a similar issue, although that had to be fixed by editing an .ini file relating to the number of cores the game was run on.

    I guess some programs just don't handle the extra 4 cores very well.
     
  35. Gandalf_The_Grey

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    I personally find the text size too small.
    You can set the dpi to 125%, browse the web with Firefox and use the NoSquint add-on.
    It is okay then for most programs, but I am not convinced I would buy the full HD screen in the future especially when it is not a matte one.
    Maybe its my eyesight but I don't like to use "tricks" so I can read stuff on my computer :D

    The best way is to go to a shop that carries laptops with both resolutions and see for yourself...
     
  36. PUD the Ancient

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    That is what I thought, the EU Premium Matte screen scores very highly. Probably just unlucky with a faulty one then.

    Thanks :)
     
  37. Joe Bleau

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    See OS & Text Scaling.

     
  38. Rudd89

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    Nope. I've tried the discs both on a clean install and on the factory image, same result.
     
  39. valsf11

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    I also experience shadings in my EU premium screen, particularly bottom left corner. Do you believe I should complain for a fix?
     
  40. waitwaitwait

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    Was running SQL 2008 R2, with 4Gb Ram and SSD. I changed the SQL CPU affinity to 4 cpus, this seemed to be the sweet point with the best performance. The 17 mins i got after tweaking this setting compares very favourably to my server at work which takes 15 mins, which is beefy, with much more ram and quad core. The SSD does make a difference, from my timing it was 23 mins vs 17 mins with the SSD.
     
  41. mangosango

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    Lost Planet:
    YouTube - Lost Planet DX10 Gameplay
    YouTube - Lost Planet DX10 Benchmark

    Are up. Some info about the game:

    [​IMG]

    Apparently this is a very difficult game to run.

    All settings high. 16xAF no AA @ 1280x720.
    FPS viewable in the corner. KEEP IN MIND: Framerate capped to 30fps by FRAPS (that means that there the FPS will NOT go above 30 in the video).

    Without FRAPS recording average framerate for the snow benchmark is 32.7fps and for the cave benchmark is 43.8 fps.

    I also have (yet another) crysis singleplayer video up. It's of one of my favorite levels (Core - where you get to go inside of the alien's ship). If you're in the mood to see some jaw-dropping graphics take a look:

    YouTube - Crysis SP - Core
     
  42. To no End

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    Did you set the affinity to SC Conviction? How manycores and was there a noticeable improvement?
     
  43. mangosango

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    I set it to run on just 2 cores (Core 0 and Core 2), but there wasn't any noticeable improvement, so I turned it back up to 4 cores (0, 2, 4, 6).
     
  44. Shin_Akuma

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    What is the cpu? I have a feeling you were running i5 core, which may explains the problems. Also, what is your memory bits?

    If it's the top of line i7 and 8mb, then I would find it pretty awkard.
     
  45. Shin_Akuma

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    Haha, are you kidding me? Sorry, I am a serious buyer.
     
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    Fishon I Will Close You

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    Its an i7 720QM (64 bit with 6 MB cache) - and just to clarify, running on 2 cores made no (positive) difference. I think the main issue at this point is that the game is poorly optimized for PC and is (basically) a direct console port. Hopefully new drivers and more patches will fix the performance issues.

    My pet rock smashed itself into the screen and all the vital components of the laptop ;)
     
  48. softarno

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    Hi all just got my new F Series 4 days ago but started to use it just today but seriously am not so happy with the LCD, i thought it would be much better than my older FZ series which is a bit cheaper than this one yet the screen was amazing with NVIDIA 64.

    Am facing problems to get the best color setting, as am working with pictures and i can’t really say is what i see is what the others see???? Am not so sure

    Another thing i can’t get rid of that icon came on notification area about vaio updates, i looked everywhere in startup nothing i only with every start go to task manager and end its process now, as when i go n custom the notification area and ask to hide the icon i still can see the arrow and i hate that.

    Another thing how i can also make the several opened internet explorer web pages, instead to appear next to each other and showing me the content just to come up on list and showing the address only without showing me the whole page content?

    Thank you all
    By the way am using
    • Intel® Core™ i7-720QM processor (1.60GHz) with Turbo Boost up to 2.80GHz
    • 16.4" VAIO Premium Display (1920x1080) with NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 330M GPU (1GB VRAM)
    • 4GB (4GBx1) DDR3-SDRAM-1333
    • Blu-ray Disc™ player
    • Keyboard Backlight
    • Black
    • Genuine Windows® 7 Professional 64-bit Fresh Start
    • 500GB Hard Disk Drive (7200rpm)
     
  49. Shin_Akuma

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    HAha, that's the second clue I shouldn't be so concerned about the reliability of this F series laptop. I have no clue why more people complain about the reliability, probably they're Mac users who hate on Sony.
     
  50. Shin_Akuma

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    LoL ouch about your pet rock. Anyway, your 6mb cache is solid. The issue sounds like no problem when it requires a new driver/patch. Sony update frequently on drivers in PS3.
     
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