I just upgraded the hdd to a ssd (crucial m500 960) on a Flip 15A (i7, intel hd 4xxx) and what should i say... i watched a disasembling video ( Sony VAIO® | Flip PC gets the teardown treatment - YouTube) and thought: 10min and everything is done...
Summary:
- There are screws under every rubber-stand on the bottom cover (also the small ones)
- The bottom cover is pretty hard to remove - carefully, don't scratch your nb-body or smash an usb/audio/...port! For me it was best to start on the front side where the fan is placed.
- You have to remove the battery. (not really a problem and i would recommend it - also press the hardware disconnect/reset button next to the hdmi port)
- The hdd is placed differently in the video! It my unit it is 90° flipped...
- ... and two flat-cables go across it (WHY SONY!?), which have to be removed carefully. (i don't like those cables, because the connector can be smashed very easy)
- The hdd is completely covered in adhesive foil/aluminium and you have to "rip" it off... carefully again, so that you don't void your warranty. (i'm not sure, if swapping the hdd affects the warranty)
- as always: remember every screw, you'll have plenty of them.![]()
Hopefully i don't have to change the hdd anymore. xD I've opend many Notebooks (Acer, HP, Samsung, Fujitsu, ...), but this one really took me some time. Sony didn't lay focus on easy maintenance altough there would be enough space to make the hdd accesable.
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If anyone is having problems with the touchpad not recognising taps, try lowering the click delay in the PC settings menu ( the one where you sweep in from the right). I lowered it to "low" yesterday and turned it off today, now I seem not to have any problems with responsiveness. Still haven't figures out how to scroll sideways on the touchpad though
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Just received email from Sony with shipment confirmation of my 15A. I'm pretty exciting and also surprised that it happen so quickly after ordering on November 29th.
They didn't include a tracking number so just wondering if that is to come later?
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I finally got my laptop.
It's beautiful, it's pink and so far no touch, fan or pen issues.
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I think they completed the build and then they send you this email. Once it's been picked up by the carrier, we should get a tracking number.
When did you get this email?
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Thanx Ksalz!
Good to hear I'm not the only one, or maybe it actually isn't that good... I hope they can fix it. Let me know if you get a reply from Sony, I'll also give it a shot. I'm having an extreme love/hate paradox with this thing. It's a fantastic device with some terrible flaws, but, I also don't really want to send it back. -
Some other questions for you experts here, to maybe solve some disappointments I have:
- Is there any way to program the buttons of the ntrig pen? for instance to act as middle mouse button or a keystroke?
- Because of poor HighDPI handling of some programs I'm sometimes forced to change the windows display resolution to 1080, but then, if I flip the screen from laptop to tablet mode, or visa versa, it reverts back to the native resolution. Is there anyway to prevent this? -
@badrid and ksalz :
We've actually had one or two members post about this exact problem with the keyboard here in this thread, in the past couple weeks. But it's an 80+ page thread now and finding stuff/info is not easy.
What the member said confirms what you two have been dealing with. If you flip the screen fully (to Presentation mode) and then bring it down on the keyboard, everything's fine. If you try to do it quickly by rotating the screen while sliding it over the keyboard like they do it in the promo videos, then you encounter the problem of the hardware keyboard not being deactivated quickly enough.
I haven't played with the screen enough on my 14A to recreate this, but I suspect something : could it be that the switch is only activated when the screen has been fully *flipped* ? The engineers had to install a switch/sensor and it looks like they chose the wrong spot. They should have allowed for keyboard deactivation as soon as the screen is lifted from locked position (laptop mode), not when it reaches full flip position. If this is the case, Sony are not going to be able to fix it on existing machines and they would simply instruct users to fuly flip the screen before lowering it. Engineering brain fart, if you will. Just a guess on my part.
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Hi Mark, thanks for the reply.
I tried both ways: fist fully flipping the screen (waiting a second) and then closing the lid, and flipping and closing in the same time (sliding over the keyboard). the problem occurred both times. The only way I can prevent it is to close the lid very slowly. (keeping it 1cm open for a second and then closing it fully.
Being an engineer/product developer myself, I see quite a few engineering brain farts in this machine. One of them is that they should/could have simply placed the keyboard 5mm more to the front so the edge/fold of the screen would rest between the first an second row of keys, then there wouldn't be any keys pressed at all. -
@badrid and ksalz,
As Mark said, I am one of the previous people who have commented on the same problem. At least one other 15 owner has had the same issue as well. On the Sony community forums, I also saw someone post about it. His solution was to remap the left alt key to a useless key, which was what was pushed down on his keyboard in tablet mode. I think most of us would not want to remap the left alt key.
Lowering it very slowly works, but of course is not optimal and a frustrating compromise to make for what seems to be an obvious design flaw on an expensive machine. I don't even know if returning it for a repair would get you anywhere yet until Sony has acknowledged the issue and claimed to be able to fix it.
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On the other hand, there is also some engineering respect from my side: The hinge design is truly brilliant!
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I saw a video with one of the Flip engineers and I can confirm, the flip hinge was probably their biggest challenge ; it needs to work smoothly AND have strenght for a long life, considering less than ideal operation from some users.
@badrid : thanks for the added info. So my theory of a sensor activating on full flip just went out the window, haha. So what type of sensor do we have here I wonder... some sort of proximity thing (magnetic ?) or simply a contact when the flip angle reaches a certain point ? Either way, I see your point : pausing before final contact with keyboard is a bit of a pain... but, it could also be fixable without returning machines if a sensor can be recalibrated with firmware. That's a pretty big IF though..
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My first Flip 15 had the bright spots. Then so did the second one, but worse, and had an additional spot near the bottom. The third one, I returned immediately because I discovered the box was opened and the battery was flat. The 4th one has faint spots that are barely visible so I'm just accepting it.
I'm pretty sure EVERY Flip 15 has the spots, just most people don't notice. You can see them if you look at the screen from a perpendicular angle or lower, and also from the right. I think it has to do with the hinge because the row of spots is just above the hinge.
Here's a pic of the second one:
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Finally my beauty in Pink (15", 256Gb ssd, Nvdia 2 gb, 16 Mb Ram) arrived yesterday. I made all the updates and got win 8.1.
Well, how can I say? As someone said in a previous post this is my ideal Ultrabook with some mayor issues.
The only two hardware problems anyway are fans, but I can handle the noise, it is not as bad as I imagined, and the keyboard that seems built by a child with plastic. At one side it is curved and seems not to fit in the place, but using it I have no problem and no, the screen do not touch the keys.
Except for this to things the Pink Flip is all I want and need.
Almost 7 hours of battery with balanced/performance use; the screen is amazing except for the blur due to win 8,1. My fav games (Lotro and Diablo III) run smoothely and with amazing graphics.
I unistalled all the silly software, but I am sad couse in Italy there is no Art Rage in the software package preinstalled. Too bad
Anyway I am happy like a child on dec 25th, and I promise to write down a more professional rewiev soon...
Rita from Italy
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I posted about the problems with the 15" model and moving into tablet mode on the Sony Community Forum. The moderator responded with his:
"Having the chassis come in contact with the keyboard like this is not normal. It is possible you have a bent or warped chassis or keyboard. I suggest contacting Sony in your region to consider possible repair."
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Hi Rita! I'm from Italy too! Quanto tempo ci ha messo ad arrivarti il flip?
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All right so I have noticed a SERIOUS problem with the vaio flip keyboard (no it's not the flex, I honestly don't care about that).
The Shift key doesn't work in key combinations longer than 2 keys. ie Shift+T creates a capital T without a problem, however Ctrl+Shift+T does NOT re-open a closed tab as it is supposed to.
After some time I have been able to isolate the problem further to say that this problem only occurs if either the Fn or Ctrl key are included in the combination, ie Alt+Shift+LeftArrow DOES work in word, and so does a personal hotkey I made using AutoHotkey Start+Shift+P (to play/pause music) however Shift+Fn+RightArrow (Shift+End) does not always work. If you hold the keys then the signal does (usually) get through and it performs the action.
Can anyone please reply if you have experienced a similar issue PLEASE if you know how to fix this, TELL MEEEEEE.
If not for this one flaw and the fact that it wakes up randomly even while it's closed (I have tried to find the Intel Smart Connect settings but to no avail) then this laptop would be perfect(not to say that it isn't absolutely awesome now, cuz it is
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As far as I can tell I haven't had any problems with the keyboard when switching to tablet mode either, but then again I haven't yet been able to make the transition very fast. I still find it quite awkward to do.
On another note, I'm going to try and get a refund for the N-trig Active pen stylus, as there is no wintab driver support. No pressure sensitivity in photoshop, GIMP or paint shop pro is a pretty big deal breaker for me and I would argue that makes it "not fit for purpose". So far, its only MS One Note that actually can take advantage of the pressure sensitivity and even then I only downloaded it to test out the pen. For the £49 they charged I'd rather have a wacom tablet for £52 and be able to use it in all the programs I want. I did buy it alongside the laptop, but its still worth a try.
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Try disabling "Let me choose one scaling level for all my displays"
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This makes me super sad and throwing things. The guy's coming to pick it up probably next week. I'm so not prepared to do this over and over again until I get a bearable one... I swear if I don't get a perfect screen (or one that's way better than what I have now) the 2nd time round, I'm going for a reimbursement. And mine's a lot better than in this pic.
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Hello everyone, I would like to buy the 13A.
Does the fan problem still exists? Does someone know if the hard disk is changeble? I would like to use my own ssd instead of buying another big one from sony.
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Regarding the screen problem that some are having. This is what my screen looks like in the dark, I don't notice the lighter patches around the edge in normal use with the light on however. Seem to have no lighter spots anywhere else.
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I'm not done yet but had to post...
Recovery is installing W8 on the Crucial M500 as we speak
I asked my brother to come over, because he's dismembered laptops before (a few) but I haven't. I've worked on quite a few Desktops, but wanted the extra hands/eyes and brain.
It took us just over one hour (65 minutes) to remove the cover, remove the hybrid drive, install the SSD and put the cover back on.
It went well, except for the first few minutes when trying to figure out where to start on that cover. My brother used a flat screwdriver to pry open one corner (at the back - left side where the AC connector is. Using the screwdriver left a couple tiny dents in the aluminum but nothing to worry about. Once the first clip *popped*, the rest of the cover came off while pulling gently. Doing it gently ensures you won't damage the tiny plastic contours for the ports. Once the cover was off, I removed the battery (4 screws - easy). You don't need to remove the battery to access the hard drive, but I did it to remove power (obviously).
To remember the location of screws, my brother has a neat technique : he used a piece of cardboard box (6" x 12" roughly - 15cm x 30cm) and he drew the shape of the cover on one half of the cardboard, then he drew the shape of the battery on the other half. He indicated the location of all screws with a pen and then he made little holes with the tip of a screwdriver - to put the screws so they couldn't roll off. Brilliant. The cover has different screw sizes, the battery has 4 identical ones. The hard drive bracket has 4 identical screws (no need to draw these - very easy). It's important to mark the location of the battery screws because the battery contour has extra screw holes for the cover and it would be easy to forget where the actual battery screws go.
Now onto the hard drive. There is a small piece of black tape that covers the far left bracket screw ; under that black tape in another piece of clear protective tape. You just need to lift both pieces of tape to reach that screw (easy). Just be careful with the tip of the screwdriver so you don't hit/damage tiny circuits next to the bracket ; a steady and slow hand is all you need.
Once the 4 bracket screws are removed, you can pull the drive right out (to the left) by tilting the front of it slightly and then a gentle pull outward.
Someone recently mentionned a piece of foil on the hard drive : yes it definitely is there. It actually helps keep the drive in place. How it works : there are two long and narrow pieces of metal that help keep the drive in place (these plates have the mounting screw holes) and they go on each side of the drive. The piece of foil joins these two plates together, has a little glue on it so it sticks to the drive a little, but not too much. It's like a *soft bracket* if you will. All you need to do, once the 4 screws are removed, is to pull one of the metal plates gently up to peel off the foil. It goes back on the new drive easily (just align the screw holes on each side.
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Edit : I had to leave the house during the Windows installation, so I don't know exactly how long it took this time. When I last looked, it was saying "Finalizing... 86%" and that was 1 hour and 15 minutes into the install, which seems a lot faster than before.
Now Windows is fully installed and I'm starting updates.
I'll have more impressions later, once I've had time to play with it (when the kids are in bed).
So far though, the entire hard drive swap has gone pretty well and installiing via Recovery works really well.
More later or tomorrow
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@guitarrokerz : I think many of us have the "SHIFT" key problem (probably all of us). I like to do elevated command prompts sometimes and I use "CTRL + SHIFT + ENTER" to achieve that, after typing cmd in the search box. Didn't work at first on my 14A. I later found I could do it by pressing "CTRL + SHIFT" and wait 2 seconds before pressing "ENTER". Try it and let me knowtwospirits and fl0werstar like this. -
Hey guys,
so I went to the sony customer care center here in Hongkong, to ask them to have a look at my keyboard. I'm the guy with the only half working enter-key. Apparently the funny supprtguy told me, that I'll have to pay 500hkd (50$) that they gonna check it, because I brought mine over from europe (I bought it in Austria before I left for an Asia Trip). My international-warranty-argument did not really impress him. Any ideas? -
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My 4th one, which has a good screen (barely visible blemish), has a weird issue.
If you go into sleep mode it won't boot up without 10-20 tries. And one time when I left it running (disabled sleep), I came back to a blank screen with backlight off. Keyboard still on. And then of course it took me at least 20 tries to get it to boot up again. -
Hi there winkosmosis
4th one huh... yikes.
I'm not sure I know what you mean by "10-20 tries" ; what are you doing exactly ?
I've just reinstalled W8 on mine after a drive upgrade and it went to sleep at one point, then I had a blank screen with keyboard backlighting Off and it wouldn't come alive from tapping, so I hit the Power button and it came back up instantly. Not sure why it did that.
Can you tell me what type of hard drive you have please ? I'm asking because I had a bunch of Sleep related problems with my Desktop last year, and after much searching and sweating I found out it was partly due to the SSD firmware and also to an Intel AHCI driver ; my machine has not seen "Sleep" since, except when I shut her down at night. Windows and Sleep don't always agree and there are a lot of factors at play.
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I'm doing the 8.1 update right now. I kinda wish I didn't have to, because 8.1 and these Flips aren't necessarily the best of friends, not yet anyway.
The first batch of updates for W8 didn't install fast at all, for some unknown reason but then, once the 40+ were on, it's like the gates opened and 17 .NET Framework updates installed in less than a minute. Wow. This 480GB Crucial SSD really flies. I'm still updating so not a good time to check bootup times, but I did clock one at just under 8 seconds after a good bunch of updates and a reboot. That's insane, and much faster than my wife's iPad2. The little 500GB hybrid HDD I had on was quick to boot (13 seconds), but the SSD just rules when it comes to all around read/write operations, loading applications/programs, etc... Well worth the $309 I paid (Sony Canada are asking $780 for the 512GB SSD option... you do the math...).
One other observation from opening the 14A up : the single RAM stick is very easy to remove. Two tiny metal clips hold it in place, which are easily disengaged with your thumb or fingernails (or screwdriver).
Oh and the two small rubber feet : my brother wanted to remove them so I let him (with instructions lol). He just pushed on them with both thumbs until they popped. He looked at them and said I'd need to add a little glue, but we ultimately didn't and just pressed them back on (there was a little bit of sticky stuff left on the feet and cover). I'll keep my eye on them just in case. -
So I shut down by holding the power button, then try turning it on again. Eventually it turns on but it takes a LOT of tries. Same thing happens with the "help" button on top.
I don't think it's a driver issue, because that wouldn't cause problems until Windows is booting.
I'm really disappointed in Sony's quality. My old Sony CW from 2009 is still going strong, but their quality seems to have gone way down. The 1st one worked fine but had a bright spots on the screen near the hinge. The 2nd one had worse bright spots plus bad light leak at the screen edges. The 3rd came in an opened box and with no charge on the battery so I returned it right away. The 4th has this stupid boot issue.
It's the 1TB hard drive. I ordered a 240GB SSD from Newegg on Black Friday but it hasn't arrived yet, or I would try it.
I do have another drive I can use, and I already made the recovery DVDs... Should I try it? Could my problems be caused by a bad HDD? I would think if the HDD was bad I'd still get to the screen with the VAIO text on black background...
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Could a lucky owner of a Flip 13A European version (SVF13N1C5E) confirm that the WLAN card is a 7260 from Intel (I see that some Flips are equipped with Broadcom which is worst) and that the trackpad is the ELAN (some have Synaptics which I prefer personally).
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Both working great.
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Hi Guys,
I have some questions about the windows 8 reinstallation process for our VAIO, I'd like to get rid off the many partitions on the SSD and have a fresh install without all the crappy softwares preinstalled.
I'm actually trying to find a USB 2.0 key with 32 Gb and detected in Windows 8 as a flash drive to create a restore media, not so easy !
I have seen Mark's post about the reinstallation by restore system on the Crucial SSD, and I wonder if it recreates the initial partition table on the disk ?
Or if anyone have some informations about this partition table it would be great to have, like for example don't delete the two first partitions which could be used by the vaio care boot system...
Is it possible to reuse the W8 Pro license key on a W8 fresh install ?
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1.) Make sure you have the recovery disks handy - I had some troubles to find a big-enough storage media that was accepted by the recovery media creation tool. It finally worked with a 32GB SD Card.
2.) You can (or you have to) wipe everything from the HD - I think there are 6 or 7 partitions pre-installed. You can search for my post within this thread where I listed them all. I wiped everything when installing Win8 from scratch and an additional OpenSuSE installation. The recovery media is able to restore everything (which I also did already).
3.) Be sure you can download all drivers from the Sony page already - they were not ready a couple of weeks ago. But I guess I was one of the first to receive the Flip so it might be better now. This was the major reason why I had to recover the original installation, shrink it and then install Linux. I again killed the recovery partition btw since I already stored it externally.
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Thanks a lot for these informations yummi
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I'm interested in buying the Flip 15A. Amy chance there will be discounts for the holiday season in later this month???
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Just to add to what yummi said :
From my perspective, I'm not qualified enough to give you tips on deleting partitions, reading partition tables and whatnot. I do understand why you want to shrink things down as much as possible though. As yummi stated, once you have created viable Recovery media, you can tinker/mess around and have the Recov disks/stick/SD card ready to bail you out by doing a complete factory re-install. Another complicating factor is UEFI.
I have 5 partitions but others have more and I don't know why (region specific ? Fresh Start related ?)
FYI, the USB stick I have is the Lexar *TwistTurn* 32GB ; I was lucky enough to find it at Staples for $12 on Black Friday. Cheapest I find today is Amazon : $24 ( Amazon.com : Lexar JumpDrive TwistTurn 32GB USB Flash Drive LJDTT32GASBNA (Gray) : Electronics)
The Recovery install to SSD was child's play, meaning I didn't even have to know which key to press while booting up with the new SSD : I just needed to pop the USB stick in and press the "Assist" button, then the Flip powered up and W8 setup came alive with the usual options, and off I went.
When I created Recov media on USB stick, I noticed the tip to test the media after creation, which I did : shutdown, insert stick, press "Assist" button to get to setup (no need to use the Power button). I forget the instructions from that point on, but in a few clicks you can check whether the Recovery media is properly detected and usable. Piece of cake. A few days later I got an external optical drive and created Recovery DVDs, mostly to test the drive but also to have a backup (of a backup, haha).
For those wondering why I chose to install with Recovery and not clone the HDD to SSD :
1) Brand new machine with nothing on it (I did not install any program and had no personal data yet). Recovery means you have to start all over, so doing that on a machine with all your stuff installed is much more painful than on a new machine.
2) Although cloning is usually very reliable, there is always a slight risk of cloning errors which can corrupt an installation (more or less, it depends). This is rare though, but using Recovery means you get to install to factory condition on a bare drive.
3) Cloning requires extra equipment, like a USB HDD docking station or external HDD enclosure (for 2.5" drives). I do have the necessary stuff here, but not everybody does. Cloning also requires that you initialize the new drive first, because Windows won't see it if you don't. Doing it via Recovery means you can simply remove the HDD, put the brand new SSD in from the box (no need to initialize it) and then do the Recov.
4) Cloning does have one advantage : the process is quicker than doing Recovery. Cloning the disk may take some time, perhaps as much time as is required for creating Recovery disks, but once the new cloned drive is installed, you have everything you had before, meaning updates/programs/files etc... so no need to start fresh.
5) I preferred Recovery for another reason also : to test the VIAO Recovery utility, to see if it would install on a new drive, because I've read that others with different brands (non Sony) have had difficulties with recovering to new disks and I had never tried this before, so a first for me. I have cloned a HDD to SSD before (on my main machine) so I know it can be done quite easily. Recovery was a new challenge and I am satisfied with the resultsoverzeetop likes this. -
Had big issues with my WiFi, disconnected every 2 minutes! I seem to have fixed this one by changing the channel on my router, or at least now the disconnections arent that often anymore. It still happened one or two times since that, where it NEVER happend with all my previous notebooks and all the others running in the house, besides a Sony Vaio Pro!!
By the way, does anyone know which wifi card it is exactly in the Flip. Intel lists multiple 7260 models, I know it uses the n standart but is it dualband. Many reviews say it is. But my device manager doenst say this. There it is just listed as Intel 7260 n, which also exists.
With my Synaptics touchpad I have some major issues too. Sometimes it just stops working. Or moves by itsself. Zooms in and out on webpages i.e.
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I purchased mine on cyber Monday and they gave me 10%. It wasn't advertised but I caller in and the sales rep offers it to me. I would suggest calling in and ask.
I'm in Canada if that helps.
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Hello everyone, I just purchased a Vaio Flip 15. I am aware that a RAM slot is soldered, but does this ultrabook have 2 RAM slots? If not or if they are both soldered, I'll have to cancel and reorder it again this time with more memory. Thanks!
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14a have a single ram slot , 15a having 2.
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