Sony VAIO F 3D series owners lounge

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Yes they do!!!

Your X220 has much better screen than my F 3D. Happy ?????

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Can anyone tell me how to put someone in ignore list so I don't have to view their posts ????

 

Your 6 bit wide gamut TN display does not have any excellent visual effects in terms of accuracy, but full of useless features. First, Oversaturated color is solely for multimedia purpose instead of color softproofing. Wide Color Gamut to sRGB conversion (default windows settings) will get huge loss of color gamut. without further calibration, your 16" screen could only get you least 72% of total color gamut volume.

 

Read the following pages very carefully and make the comparison between these two laptops on your own.

Review Lenovo ThinkPad X220 (IPS) Subnotebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

Maximum: 265 cd/m²
Average: 255.9 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 93 %
Center on Battery: 261 cd/m²
Black: 0.31 cd/m²
Contrast: 842:1

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Sony-Vaio-VPC-F21Z1E-BI-3D-
Notebook.51940.0.html

Maximum: 312 cd/m²
Average: 289.2 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 86 %
Center on Battery: 285 cd/m²
Black: 0.72 cd/m²
Contrast: 396:1

Your laptop screen's contrast ratio is just 1/2 of my current IPS laptop panel.

Please note that OCB Panel was first developed by Pansonic.

 

Hi Gatehouse,

Greyscale, color temperature looks good - yes. But as far as I know the color gamut of your Lenovo ist too small for color critical workflow.

Best, Walter

 

For mobility usage, I would say X220 IPS is the best solution to this date.

1. Most Native Wide Gamut Panels are not suitable for many windows Vista/Win7 systems. You will get huge loss of color Gamut Volume between 20-28%.

2. So far there is no advanced driver IC specified for mobile applications with native support up to 10-14bit LUT. The current best/available lcd driver solution we could get( for most people not affordable ) is the ST-Genesis STDP8028/Elitebook Dreamcolor Series ( 10 bit Processing & 8 bit LUT).
You might want to know what you exactly get from Elitebook Dreamcolor Series is plethora of nonsense. 10 bit Panel + 8 bit LUT without hardware calibration is quite useless. For the similar price range, you could get 2 X NEC P241Wor 1 X PA241W along with X220 IPS. Price/Performance ratio for such niche Elitebook does not seem to be right.



Please keep in mind that the huge differences between the high end lcds and the low end lcds are not the focus of their color gamut volume, but the color reproduction/depth that blends our naked eyes.

3. The bottomline is that many panel manufactuers do not have or invest the constant R&D of their own driver ic solutions with advanced features like R/G/B Uniformity, 12-14 bit 3D LUT, Hardware calibration.

 

Anyone here can explain for me what's calibration? I see that a lot of members refering to this term but I don't know what it is. It seems to help laptops display more beautiful, doesn't it?

And another term, gamut? So will this laptop having higher gamut display better?

I need a laptop with sharp, colorful, vivid and maybe oversaturated screen. Therefore I'm eager to get to know more about this field

And I want to own a laptop with a best display and now I'm very confused. I don't know which laptop has best screen? Sony vAIO F3D, Dell XPS Full HD RGBLED?

Hic. It's very difficult to make choice of as there're lots of good laptops at present.

 

As I told you before go to a sonystore and see it your self and decide.

 

In my location there is no sony store having this 3d laptop at the moment . I asked this from the staffs in a store. They said that now there was no product in all stores in my location because they sold out all the older model- sony vaio f21 and were waiting for a new upgrading one-sony vaio f23 model. it would arrive in near 2 months.

As a consequence, I can barely look for a sample in order to see and assess by myself.

So sad!!!

So could anyone here help me deal with these questions? To me, it's really really hard to understand and find out the answer.

Thank you so much!!!

 

Which country are you in ? F 23 is out in most countries and is on sale

Calibration basically means to adjust and correct the color characteristics of a display compared to the standard reference values. Most screens display false colors or are more bluish/reddish etc so to correct these its necessary to calibrate a display. To calibrate a display you need calibration software as well as a colorimeter (Spyder3 Pro, Blue eye pro, Xrite i1 etc are examples of calibration equipment) They cost around 300$ on average.

Color gamut simply means the range/number of color space a screen can display.
Usually it is denoted by % of sRGB/AdobeRGB1998/NTSC coverage. sRGB is the standard color space used most of the times.
A wide color gamut screen is better for professional purposes where people have the applications and the need to use full sRGB/Adobe RGB color space. For normal users a wide color gamut screen is great too but NOT always.

But generally the wider the color gamut the better it is.

As for XPS 15 - F 3D, as I said you should trust your own eyes primarily. I have seen both the screens and I frankly believe that the F 3D is simply better. There is something about its image reproduction that really charms me - very OLED like.



P.S. Walter please let me know if I have made any mistake above. Feel free to correct me. Better yet you could explain it as well I am sure you can explain it much better than me since all this is part of your work.

 

Has anyone installed this update? Sony eSupport - VPCF2190X - Software & Drivers

I did. But something odd has happened. My cable modem has the gigabit ethernet connection. This 3D laptop also has gigabit. The modem let's me know by showing a blue light. If its not gigabit, its green.

Before installing the update, I see the blue light. Gigabit. After installing the update, I no longer have a gigabit ethernet connection. Light is green. I went back to the old driver and got my gigabit connection again. Anyone else have this problem?

 

Why again are we comparing a 12.5" 768p screen to a 16" 1080p 3D-enabled screen?

Regardless, if we're equating contrast ratios to manhood, I'm Ron Jeremy:

Maximum: 324 cd/m²
Average: 285.9 cd/m²
Brightness Distribution: 75 %
Center on Battery: 272 cd/m²
Black: 0.27 cd/m²
Contrast: 1007:1

Review Sony Vaio VPC-F22S1E/B (FHD) Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

How you like them apples?

 

The wider gamut is not generally better. The gamut should always be the same as your present photo or software needs. 99% for standard users is made for sRGB. If you have wider gamut and can not control is to show a smaller one for sRGB - you get red skin, to strong green...

Second problem is if you are able to use color management - most laptop display only use 6 Bit resolution = 64 steps. Each correction results in some lesser steps. If you can work with 8 Bit - means 256 steps > much more reserve for correction. Typical laptop displays with only 6 Bit uses help of dither to calculate more values - but that is not real, it only helps to make subjective better resolution. Ok my English not perfect, sorry folks.

So if you have a display like in F3d or Z series with near perfect greyscale - that saves real resolution. Better out of the box > better result after calibration generally for most laptop panels.

So the F3D for sure beats the F22 with standard premium... Contrast is not only difference between Black + White. Also more real color makexs more 3D in 2D picture.

Best, Walter

 

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Perfect explanation

 

Used the following configuration for the most comfortable life-like 3D picture I've experienced yet when playing Blu-ray 3D's using the Corel WinDVD BD application on the F3D. (Edit: Important note: The NVIDIA Control Panal Stereoscopic 3D setting must also be set to Max 100%)

Run WinDVD without a disc in the drive. Click on "tools" at the top of the screen and then click on 3D Playback. The Display size is defaulted at 20 inches even though the screen is exactly 16". Setting the size to 16" had a dramatic difference, but setting it to 10" made the 3D so life-like that I'm leaving it there.

Paul

 

How does that exactly help ?????? And also does it make the picture smaller????

Please elaborate

 

My first impulse is to say no. Been so caught up in the excitement of the new visual experience that I haven't noticed aspect ratio completeness. What I have noticed is that viewing is extremely more comfortable on the eyes allowing me to notice more spatial details, making them easier to identify. Both eyes are able to focus on extreme detail. Will have to spend time to check if it makes the picture smaller.

Edit: Object distances have become in-line with my real-world experiences, no longer an artificial cut-out spatial experience.

 

I haven't checked in with this thread in a while... When I bought my F21 back in May - it seemed really expensive but was the only game in town if I wanted Core i7, USB 3.0, firewire connection (interfaces with my Presonus digital mixer), a full HD screen, and an Nvidia graphics processor that Adobe Premiere Pro 5 (now 5.5) could make use of for its Mercury Playback Engine. The 3D wasn't even on my radar, but I thought it would be fun (and it is!).
I just edited a bit of HD video off of my Canon XF300 last night and the F21 continues to impress. The screen is wonderful for editing - colors are great, sharpness is wonderful, and the speed for editing is much better than expected for a laptop - not up to my desktop with a Core i7, twin Intel SSD's in a Raid-0 for OS and programs - but really pretty good.
I know better/cheaper stuff is coming out all the time - but this laptop is really excellent, even for editing HD video natively. I imagine I'll eventually upgrade the harddrive with an SSD to extend it's useful life - (has anyone done that yet?), but I have absolutely no issues or complaints with this laptop at all (ok, it's a fingerprint magnet... and the initial 3D drivers sucked, but now are great!).
Larry

 

They did it again!! This update is no longer there.

 

Is anyone running the new driver, version 285.62? I've installed it and am having awful IE9 performance again... Just want to see if anyone else is having this issue as well.

Edit: Okay, scratch that. After loading up a game to make sure I didn't screw anything up (long story...), now IE's doing just fine.

 

The last time I installed a driver from Nvidia's web site, everything was running smoothly. But when I turned on the laptop the next day, IE9 quit working properly. Also, the screen flickered. I'll wait until Sony provides an update. (From the looks of it, I think it's "never.")

 

Yeah, I'm betting on never as well. I remember you mentioning the flickering issue, though I haven't had it on either of the Nvidia drivers for whatever reason.

 

Did you try this:

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For me this has worked forever since I found out! At the moment I am using the newest Verde drivers to play Battlefield 3(in 720p and it runs fine ), 3D video playback with stereoscopic player is also fine and so is all my WLM, IE9 etc... Just need to press the 3D button if I want to play a game in 3D, but that's not so hard

 

I knew I had to do something in the settings. But I had no idea what to do. I don't play games on this laptop. Just wanted it for blu-ray 3D playback. If you don't mind, can you post a link to the latest driver? I don't remember which page it was on. This thread has so many pages.

If there is any other settings I need to adjust, please let me know.


EDIT

OK...found it. I installed the latest driver and checked the box that says "Hide 3D mode when game starts." It seems to do the trick. I also noticed my screen is bright at 120Hz. No flickering and IE9 is up to speed. I hope it stays this way.

 

Ah, this may have been my fix too without knowing. I forgot all about this mention before, and I may have coincidentally just turned the auto-stereo off yesterday during the update. Thanks for the reminder!

 

Guys anyone know where I can download Full HD 3D trailer for the Amazing Spiderman from ?
Thanks in advance

 

Hello everyone! I have this problem that keeps bothering me a lot. I shall attach the picture so you see what I am talking about. I reinstalled my OS because I would get it very often before i did this. Now I get it also, but more rarely. I really have no idea what is wrong... I reinstalled the drivers again to no avail. I must say that when I was in Romania and had still a cable connection, I didn't ever come across this problem. Now I live in South Korea if that helps.

Printscreen link:

Multiupload.com - upload your files to multiple file hosting sites!

I would greatly appreciate any help on this matter.

 

I just bought the Playstation 3D monitor today. I tried it out as my external display for my 3D laptop. WOW!! Me likes!!

One thing I noticed. I read a review where someone complained it doesn't come with a remote. PlayStation 3D Display Review from GamePro

Here is another. Sony PlayStation 3D Display Review - IGN

What is odd is that the Playstation 3D monitor DOES have an infrared remote sensor. Since I happen to have a Sony TV in the other room, I grabbed the remote and pointed it at the Playstation 3D monitor. IT WORKS!!

 

Congrats! Very cool!

Just got the Sony HMZ-T1 Personal 3D Viewer delivered on 11/9. It works great with the F3D as a monitor, but mostly I use it for Blu-ray 3D viewing when I'm laying down and/or in my lounge chair.

 

How does the screen quality compare to the F 3D ?

 

Oh! I was tempted on getting that. The only bad thing is your friends can't see what you are seeing unless you take it off and have them put it on.

 

Its close. But the glare is annoying. A dark room will fix that problem. This is my 2nd 3D product. I wanted a 3D monitor without spending a lot of money. I also wanted to try out the "simulView." 2 full screens without the split view.

 

@Figarou, PaulH

Can you compare the F 3D with Playstation 3D/HMZ T1 in the following areas:

2D PQ
3D depth
3D immersion
Presence of crosstalk/ghosting
Flicker/any other issues

 

The only area where the HMZ T1 is superior to the F 3D is in the 3D-rendering realm.

It is the first consumer 720P high definition device to have native discrete-3D technology. The epitome of two distinct angled images going separately to each individual eye, rendering the real-life illusions of 3D. 100% of the light from each display goes to each eye because filtering is not necessary; it is the same as watching a 2D display. There is no crosstalk/ghosting artifacts caused by double images on a single display or by out-of-sync glasses. There is no flickering which allows for total 3D immersion. Authored 3D-depth is 100% achieved when connecting the unit to the F 3D (@ maximum settings), Blu-ray 3D player, and when viewing DirectTV 3D channels, when comparing it to a 65" Panasonic Viera 3D plasma.

For experiences of similar products rendering discrete-3D - think Viewmaster or the "Holmes type stereoscopes" of the 1800's..

The first-generation headset is not at all comfortable for short or long periods and seriously needs redesigning. Also, 1080P will be demanded (if technically possible) for the next model.

The F 3D from my experiences, beats the HMZ-T1 in quality picture and in every other aspect. Haven't experienced another consumer product that I have enjoyed better than the F 3D for 3D rendering with the active 3D technology.

Paul

 

Thanks Paul!.

I am debating on getting the HMZ T1. But unfortunately looks like it won't be released in Asia anytime soon

 

This display was designed for the PS3. I know the F 3D laptop is superior in all areas.

For the SimulView to work properly, it has to be hooked up straight to the PS3. Not from a receiver.

 

Hmm, not sure where you live but here in China it's not that hard to get I think. Still I will wait till I'm back in Holland in January, otherwise my warranty will be totally screwed...

So yeah, pretty funny, but seems like all F 3D series owners are actually Sony fanboys

@Paul, are you sure the color and black reproduction is also not better than F 3D? Otherwise it sounds like a bad investment if I already own a F 3D

 

My receiver is a Denon.

 

You're right about the blacks, they are deeper in that when viewing a 2.40:1 aspect ratio movie I'm not missing the available screen-area-real-estate that would make me wish the movie was in a 1.78:1 ratio and fill the screen. i.e The black around the image is the equivalent to total solid black masking on a theater screen and the shadow detail in the image from the OLED's is the best I've seen on any device. Don't feel qualified to comment about color rendition accuracy.

Paul

 

I live in India but the HMZ T1 has not even showed up on Sony Asia Pacific website. Any product slated to be launched in Asia Pacific market shows up there before about a month or two.

Also there is very limited supply everywhere with general availability now pushed to late Jan 2012. Was thinking of importing from Japan along with the Walkman Z 32GB but can't due to the supply issue.

And yes it sure seems like F 3d owners are Sony fanboys
I know I am! lol

@Paul

Do you know of any website where I could download "The Amazing Spiderman" 1080p 3D trailer ? I've been looking for it everywhere but could not find it anywhere.

 

Asked around the forums I visit and was given this resource link, but even that doesn't seem to have the actual 3D encode.

Paul

 

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No 3D link there
Only 2D 1080p

 

Hello from Singapore. My vaio 3D is VPCF217HG. After updating the Sony video drivers with official Nvidia drivers version 285.62, I noticed that the 3D option is no longer available when streaming 2D Youtube HD clips in full screen. Reverting back to Sony drivers solved the problem. Is anyone facing the same issue as well? Thanks!

 

does anyone have the recovery image for model version Vpcf2190x or no where i can get it. i have accidentally wiped the hard drive and never made recovery discs. downloading the drivers are not quite the same as the whole "sony look" that was on there before.

Would appreciate replies to where i can do this. i know alternative models would work but if im to use a copied image that it must be the same model.
i had to sony SA and i burned an image and tried to reinstall it but the laptop only accepted it for the same model sony laptop that burned it.

 

@ sisqo uk: You also need the correct version of windows, and the 2190X was available as 7 Home Premium and 7 Professional, so what version you had would be good to know.

 

I don't have it yet. I'd assume home premium. Would you be able to help?

 

Loving the Sony VAIO VPC-F215FX/BI 3D model that I bought earlier before a few months..its an awesome machine...made the best choice.

 

Hello everyone!!
I have the F 3D since June, and i'm really loving it, exept for a few problems I have with it, that I expect to get solved.
I'm currently running the latest NVIDIA Verde Driver (285.62, which works without any problems) along with PowerDVD 11 Ultra, and i'm trying to playback a few 2D videos in 3D, with the built-in TrueTheater 3D.
The problem that I have is that I can't seem to find a way to proper display 1080p and 720p HD videos in their original aspect ratio.
Last night I tried to play an MKV rip of my "Fight Club" Blu-Ray, and I couldn't get the image displayed correctly on my screen (original black bars got cut off, and the image got "cut" and displayed at 480p, instead of its original 1080p format).
Now, i know that PowerDVD 11 doesn't upscale Blu-Rays. But, what's the problem with HD MKV videos?? Isn't PowerDVD designed to convert those in 3D, without any problems??
Other problem that I have is that sometimes i see a black line at the center of the image, when i'm trying to convert my DVDs into 3D with PowerDVD. I tried running AnyDVD in the background (i thought that maybe the copy protection was "blocking" the conversion, in some way), but even that didn't solved the problem. Strange thing is that the preinstalled WinDVD BD software displays and converts my DVDs fine (sad that it doesn't support drag&drop of files too )
Anyway. I wanted to know if someone here runs PowerDVD 11 Ultra with TrueTheater 3D and if he/she encountered these problems, along with some crosstalk/black screens during conversion of 2D photos into 3D, and how he/she managed to solve the problem. If that's not possible, can someone here, please, suggest me a way to play my 2D videos/Blu-Rays in 3D correctly, without having too much stress??
I read that someone here in the forum managed to get 3D working even with VLC and Media Player. Does someone knows how's that possible??
Would be very grateful to know that, as i said, i'm loving the laptop. But the fact that I can't watch my 2D videos in 3D makes me kinda regret my purchase (as, by default, this notebook SHOULD convert 2D into 3D, without any problems )
Thanks in advance

 

Nevermind.
I managed to get 3D working under Windows Media Center with the Shark007 codec pack (it wouldn't work before). So far it's working great: no black screens/crosstalk, and 1080p/720p 2D videos play in 3D just fine, with their respective original aspect ratio.
It's a shame that those at Cyberlink haven't found a way to get their Truetheater 3D feature working correctly with NVIDIA 3D Vision (have read that i'm not the only one experiencing those issues).
But, anyway. Get the Shark codecs, if you guys want to play anything in 3D without any problems

 

Anyone have any idea how to get webcam settings? I did a clean install but there is no client to adjust the settings of my webcam like its brightness contrast etc etc... Its really annoying cause no one can ever see me. I have the arcsoft software but that doesnt have any settings...

TIA

 

Hey folks, another happy 3D Vaio F owner here, but with a few concerns I'm trying to make peace with.

The first concern is about just how good of a solution this can be for displaying blu-rays on external HD screens. I was hooking this baby up via HDMI to my 52 inch Samsung 1080p LCD, and after some tinkering(it was cutting the edges off until I found that I need to set the TV to a "PC" input) I finally got it to display at full size. Here's the thing, of course video from blu-rays looks great when displayed on the laptop's screen, so I don't know if it's just that I've been spoiled with staring at a 1080p image on a 16 inch laptop screen, but I can't help but think that the resolution and sharpness of the image is degraded when thrown up on the big screen. It's probably still some small measure better than I'd expect from a DVD still, which makes me think that it could be an ICT issue(Image Constraint Token), but I'm just not sure. Perhaps that's possible when I was taking the signal through my surround sound receiver(thankfully it seems to be outputting a great surround sound signal) and thus something about passing through video from the laptop, through the receiver, and then to the TV was doing it, but the image quality is the same when plugging directly into the TV via HDMI...

If the answer is that there's something about the computer software treating the TV as another monitor that is simply complicating things, I guess I'm at peace with that, but right now I'm residing in Japan for a while(I'm studying abroad, よろしくお願いします！ and I'm thinking about buying Sony's Personal 3D Viewer with this laptop as the 3D blu-player. So I'm really just sort of crossing my fingers that something will be different about outputting the signal to that(someone on this thread was pleased with the results, but who knows...), otherwise I have to buy another Playstation 3 to use as a standalone player, which I guess is fine, but not something I was ready to do again just yet(I was trying to consolidate and reduce pieces!) since I'm in Japan.

The other thing is about contrast ratio/black levels. Help me alleviate my OCD here, so bare with me for a second. This is a GORGEOUS laptop, don't get me wrong, but this thing's contrast ratio seems to be about on par with my old 52 inch LCD. My LCD touted a way-above-average contrast ratio at the time, so it's not like it's a deal-breaker, but it was just that, a six-year-old LCD HDTV, and I've been anxious to jump on board with all of the newer LCDs and LED LCDs with even deeper contrast ratios, and I figured this was at the forefront of that. It's to the point where I feel like I'm missing something or that I don't have it configured/calibrated properly or something, so level with me, this laptop's contrast ratio/black levels are good when compared to most computer monitors, but not super-high-contrast-ratio-plasma-screen level, correct? I guess I'm asking to be given a little more perspective.

Or who knows, maybe Corel WinDVD is that subpar and things would be better on PowerDVD. I think I might've solved it, but does anyone's video ever stutter for like a second here and there when playing blu-rays where you can literally hear the drive make a quick noise?????? Maybe PowerDVD would eliminate that too, because I figure that shouldn't happen ever with a machine with these specs...

There's no need to have angst about your laptop, I'm just making sure that I've reached this near-videophile level of insanity about contrast ratio with LCDs, which has always made sense to me because so many of my favorite HD experiences are with dark and gritty games where the deep blacks really make a difference. Outside of those concerns, this laptop is so fantastic. Thank you for your patience and input! Cheers!