Interesting -- I'll let everyone now if I have any touchscreen issues. By the way, I had a question about the optical mouse. Interestingly, when I uninstalled the driver, the sensitivity of the middle button scrolling drastically increased for me, but the mouse cursor speed became really slow. With the driver installed, I'm able to crank the pointing sensitivity all the way up to at least be a bit closer to that TrackPoint feel, but with that driver, I feel that the middle button scrolling is not fast enough, even with the settings cranked all the way up. I wonder if there is a registry setting somewhere that would allow me to crank up that scroll speed beyond the maximum limit. Alternatively I could use Cheek's DragtoScroll AHK plugin (which I actually prefer on ThinkPads over Lenovo's TrackPoint drivers), but I'd rather not add additional running processes, if possible.
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Here it goes -- I tried to get the rear cover off but couldn't get one side of that cover off (the area with the assist button and speaker grills). There are a lot of screws hiding under the rubber feet, and some of them are covered with a thin film of adhesive. I snapped an image of the Toshiba SSD, which is hiding under a ribbon. If there's a way to get that ribbon off, replacing that mSATA SSD might be possible. I did not see anything that looked like RAM slots -- maybe those are hidden deeper within this machine?
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You're so brave! Thanks for attempting. Hopefully in time we'll find a way to upgrade the ssd!
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It's the least I can do for everyone on these threads that's helped me out over the years. I realized that there are two more screws under the grills at the bottom of the unit -- that's what caused me trouble last time. One of these screws is stuck, but I expect to get that back cover off sometime today and hopefully I can pull out that SSD... That's a total of 18 screws to remove to get the back cover off.
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Thanks again. A few more images are below. Overall, it was fairly easy for me to open (no credit cards or thin plastic needed) but it was difficult for me to swap out the SSD. It's hiding behind the motherboard. I had to loosen the wireless card for enough room to slide the SSD out. Some more images are below:
Cover completely off: http://i50.tinypic.com/210mud0.jpg
Device manager with Crucial M4 SSD: http://i47.tinypic.com/110k30m.jpg
At first, I thought I could remove the ribbon, but I may have accidentally cracked one of the connectors to that ribbon. I'm a moron -- why the heck did I fiddle with that?! Serves me right, I suppose. Good thing you all saved me from using magnets to hold the stylus...
When I tried to turn the unit back on, it didn't turn on. I then plugged it in. It booted but hung on the Vaio screen. I decided to go into the BIOS and reset everything. All seems to be well now. Hopefully, I didn't screw up the battery connection, but I remember that the battery came out very easily when I took all the battery screws off. I'll let the NBR veterans take it from here... I still don't know where the extra RAM slot is. -
Can you tell us how you got the cover completely off in the end? Where were those screws hiding?
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To outline the screws (All phillips-head, all on the bottom of the unit; I think it actually adds up to 19 screws instead of 18):
- Four screws at the back plus one screw near the Ethernet jack (5)
- Two screws under the thick rectangular feet, near the rear of the unit that "flip up" to 90 degrees (2)
- Two screws under thin black circular covers (2)
- Two screws under two rectangular shaped plastic covers with rectangular-shaped holes in them (2)
- One screw under the rubber cover for the external battery connector (1)
- One screw under the line-shaped central rubber cover (1)
- Two screws under circular shaped rubber feet near the front of the unit (2)
- Two screws under two small square shaped rubber covers near the front of the unit (2)
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The screws you mentioned above, any prying required? Specifically the ones under the speaker grill, I've tried pushing them, but then look like they don't pop-out but maybe pop-in? How did you pry them out? -
Thank you. I think that thin film of adhesive under some of the rubber feet makes for a good tampering mechanism. One it's broken, I don't know if replacement adhesive from a store like Home Depot can be used to replace it.
From what I recall, very light prying was required for some screws after they were unscrewed -- for the ones under the speaker grill, I would pull up on the rear cover gently while unscrewing them further -- that seems to help them come out more easily.
Day #2 since the SSD replacement -- still no issues, but I think only the main partition copied over using TrueImage. The other partitions look empty to me, so I just wiped the Sony Recovery partition and put my own system image in there.
Really long venting paragraph: What really annoys me is the lack of a "jack of all trades" PDF annotation app in Windows 8. Microsoft Reader has no way for me to delete ink, inking is laggy, and page thumbnails are very slow to render in large PDF textbooks (they render much more quickly in OS X's Finder). Momentum scrolling in BlueBeam PDF Revu is too laggy and hurts my hand if I need to quickly flip through pages. Inking in Nitro PDF is imprecise and cannot follow what I write on the screen. Scrolling and inking in Acrobat Reader are also slow and unresponsive. For me, PDF Annotator is pretty good for inking, and the rendering seems fast to me, but I would like a little more acceleration and/or momentum when swiping pages. I know these applications are better than any program I could make, but I really hope this improves. I could use OneNote, but I lose a lot of the original PDF's features and bookmarks that way; I would rather re-save the annotated PDF. Although I am liking Windows 8 so far, I feel that the annotating experience for large PDF books at the moment is still somewhat better on Android and iOS, despite the lack of an active digitizer on most tablets based on those smartphone operating systems... -
Thanks very much for opening up your Vaio and showing us all the details, I salute your bravery though as I'd be worried I'd damage something inside such a pricey machine.
Edit - Frustratingly there is still no sign of the case here nor can I find anywhere shipping it here from abroad. I mailed Sony here and got a very broken English response back which completely misunderstood what I was asking so I replied giving the part numbers and links to them on the website as well thinking that should make it as clear as possible. In response I got another broken English reply which didn't answer the question so I've replied saying I've made it crystal clear what I am looking for and can they let me know, I also expressed my annoyance at the poor level of customer service for a simple question. Today I received a response saying they're sorry I'm disappointed with their service and nothing else, it's an appalling level of service for any product never mind a premium one and it's a bit concerning that this is the support I'll need to deal with if anything goes wrong with the machine.
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so I am curious as to why my US retail i7 config model doesn't have built-in GPS? is this a hit or miss feature or specific reason why all duo's dont have this feature built-in?
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I got the i7 model on Sunday (November 18th) at the Microsoft Store in Santa Clara, CA (the heart of Silicon Valley). Everywhere else was sold out, with potentially long backorder times, including the Sony Store and the Microsoft Store in Palo Alto, so I was happy to find one in stock.
Here are my impressions so far.
Overall, I really like the machine. I was initially looking at a Dell XPS 12, but the inability to see one before purchasing and the higher price for equivalent configurations were concerns. In addition, the Dell is larger and heavier and I really wanted the lightest possible unit. While I think I miss some of the layout flexibility of the Dell (and the Yoga), I have come to see the benefit of the Duo's more constrained design. In particular the laptop mode works very well for touching as the unit does not rock or flex when using the touch screen with the keyboard open. I don't think the competing units have this same level of stability. I was also somewhat put off by the substantial number of mediocre and negative reviews. However, I don't think most of the reviews were sufficiently thoughtful or that they considered what convertible buyers would really value (in my case small size and light weight).
The screen is wonderful. It has great contrast and resolution. It also has very wide viewing angles which helps to make up for the fixed position / angle of the screen in laptop mode.
The keyboard is a bit small and I am still getting used to it. I am experiencing more typos than usual, but I can see how I will like get more proficient over time. In general, the keyboard seems adequate for general use and at least for light amounts of serious work. For example, I prepared a 7 slide PowerPoint deck and it was not a problem. In fact, using the touch screen helped make the work a bit faster, so even if the typing was a bit slower, the overall task took the usual amount of time.
The pointing device also took me some time to master. I did tweak the settings to reduce the movement speed of the cursor and this helped quite a bit with pointing and tapping precision. I now feel comfortable using it.
The touch screen response is great and has not had a single hiccup yet (fingers crossed). My only real complaint on this is that the touch version of IE10 gets confused on some of the more complex webpage menus and on text boxes like the one I'm using now to write this message. However, this is not the fault of the Duo, it is just one more Win 8 issue for MS.
I am really impressed with the speed of this unit. It starts up and shuts down in less than 10 seconds. It is much faster in this regard than any of my other computers, even those with very fast SSDs. Overall, it is quite responsive and I have not noticed any delays in any of the applications I have used (including lots of web surfing, watching streaming bvideos, using MS Office and doing email).
The wireless performance has also been great and reliable. I did load the latest drivers from Intel first thing. After this I tested internet speed with speedtest.net. I got in excess of 60 Mb/second which is the top speed of my internet connection. Several of my older full size notebooks have difficulty reaching this speed using WiFi. Note that when using battery the default setting is to save power on WiFi which will definitely impair performance. Change this to maximum performance in the power manager and you will likely see much better results.
Battery life has also been better than expected. I used the unit for 3+ hours on a plane on Monday and just before I shut down, Windows indicated about 40% battery life remaining and predicted more than 3 hours of remaining run time. I did maximize power savings including lowering the refresh rate on the screen to 40Hz, limiting the CPU to 50% speed, turning on airplane mode (fitting since I was on a plane ;-), and lowering the brightness. However, even with all these limits, MS Office ran just fine with no noticeable lag.
I do have a few small complaints. The biggest is that the power supply is completely different than for any other notebook I have ever owned. It puts out 10.5 volts. I have a number of universal notebook power bricks and none of them is compatible with this device. I plan to travel with this unit quite often and on many of those trips I will also take a work notebook. Thus, I would be much happier taking one power brick instead of 2.
Another concern is that the standard Intel video driver will not load on this machine. Rather, it insists that we must use a driver supplied by Sony. The currently available Sony driver is at least one if not two iterations old. My past experience is that Sony rarely keeps their video drivers current and does not update often. I hope that we will be able to find some way to use the generic drivers in future if necessary.
Finally, why Win 8 and not Win 8 Pro? And why is MS asking $70 to upgrade to Pro when I can upgrade from any version of Win 7 to Win 8 Pro for $40?
Overall, it is a great machine.
If anyone has any questions, I'm happy to try to answer them.
Cheers,
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After breaking the partitions with the recovery system
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I tried to install Ubuntu howver couldn't get the touch screen to work.
I'm currently installing arch, here is the reference for anyone who needs it:
127 root@archiso ~ # lsusb
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0011:7788
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0489:d611 Foxconn / Hon Hai
Bus 001 Device 004: ID 15a2:0065 Freescale Semiconductor, Inc.
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 004 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 009: ID 1b96:0f00 N-Trig
Bus 003 Device 004: ID 054c:06c2 Sony Corp.
Bus 003 Device 005: ID 26e1:c1a0
Bus 003 Device 006: ID 8087:07da Intel Corp.
Bus 004 Device 003: ID 054c:06e7 Sony Corp.
Bus 004 Device 004: ID 0489:d612 Foxconn / Hon Hai
127 root@archiso ~ # lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor DRAM Controller (rev 09)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller (rev 09)
00:14.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller (rev 04)
00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #2 (rev 04)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev c4)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev c4)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 (rev c4)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 04)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation HM76 Express Chipset LPC Controller (rev 04)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 7 Series Chipset Family 6-port SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 04)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 04)
02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6235 (rev 24)
03:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5209 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 07) -
i think sony would have a winner on its hands if it had a wacom digitizer,,ive had all the tablet pcs and all the tablets and i still dont think the new ones have gone in the correct direction ,,windows 8 i couldnt be bothered with personally..samsung pc pro slate 4gb ram limit so a no no for me ,lenovo yoga no wacom support ..this sony is good as you can atleast get 8gb which is much better than samsung offerings..i went to my local store and found the pen on the duo 11 not bad ,but i see what people are saying about the lag,i can notice it ..out of all of them the sony is the best so far but im sticking with my x201t 256ssd 8gb for now until something really special comes out ,if the ntrig drivers get better then maybe the sony could be an option but no pressure support in photo shop come on get it together sony and adobe ,,
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I am very interesting in Duo11.
But one question:
i3 or i5?
1. Is i5 consumes more power than i3? I love a long time battery.
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2. It could benefit starting up applications slightly, but that's about it. The processor would boost up while launching Office or VS, but once it's started you'd notice no difference. Again, the difference is almost negligible. You'd benefit more noticeably from the faster processor if you'll be doing work in Photoshop, or compiling large amounts of code.
The SSD will make most programs feel incredibly fast and snappy already. If you intend to run a lot of programs at the same time, I recommend getting at least 6GB RAM.
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Just ordered a Vaio Duo 11 as a replacement for my Macbook Air 2011 11"
Sony NL had 3 nice discounts for me
50% of upgrade price to 256GB SSD
5% overall discount
The complete James Bond collection on Blu-ray for free
I ordered the following config
Notebook SV-D1121C5E
8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3L-SDRAM
256 GB SATA Flash SSD
Intel® CoreTM i5-3317U, 1.7GHz
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That is a superb deal, Sony UK are offering half price on the 256GB SSD but not the Bond collection for free. Probably good they aren't as I'd have felt a bit sick buying one on release but I only have myself and my impatience to blame! I'd be curious to know if you can get a case though? I mailed a Sony store after getting nowhere with the central one and they've said there are no cases in the UK at the moment and none expected until January. I've mailed a Japanese seller on ebay who's said he can ship the case (but not the battery) so going to see how much that would be ,
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global.rakuten.co.jp
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For those in the UK struggling to get a bag in the UK the official sony bag is available on amazon.
Sony VAIO Duo 11 Slim Carrying Case for Duo 11 Ultrabook: Amazon.co.uk: Office Products -
mrajiu - Thanks for posting but at £100 that's a bit too much for the case given the rrp is around at third of that.
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Rakuten:
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What most interests me is if you have one with an ExpressCard slot? I very much want to order a J10. It looks like the perfect system for me but it really has to have an ExpressCard slot. Supposedly, the Panasonic dropped the ExpressCard slot with the J10 line but I have been told that you can still get an ExpressCard slot if you order more than 50 from Panasonic. Naturally, I won't be doing that though I wish I could.
I am currently using a Fujitsu P771. I am looking to upgrade. It will be between the P772 (I've tracked down a matte finish version), the CF-C2, and whatever the next J10 will be. I might even try to get ahold of a used J9 i7 just for the ExpressCard slot.
Thank you very much,
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I got an i7/8/256 and like it except for the lack of pressure in Photoshop and Painter (latest 12.2). Art Rage and Sketchbook Pro both work beautifully.
Oh, I got mine through the Microsoft Store and it didn't come with Art Rage, but luckily I already had my own copy.
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Hi all
My vaio duo 11 turned up this morning, so far I love it.
As I'd noticed in the store, the touch response seem to have a lot more friction than either the Samsung Developer Slate or the Surface RT.
Now I'd like to know if this is something related to the Windows installation or the hardware itself.
What I'm referring to is how far scrolling goes through inertia before coming to a stop.
Has anybody done a clean install of Windows? I'm going to do it tonight either way as I'm quite unimpressed with the amount of crapware.
I've got plenty of Win8 keys fortunately as I can't seem to find a key? Volume license only?
Thanks for your input.
Paul
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For re-installing Windows 8, I believe that the installation media will automatically grab the key embedded into your BIOS/EFI. However, I think the installation media needs to be Windows 8 and not Windows 8 Pro. ( Source: Slashgear Windows 8 uses BIOS embedded product key - SlashGear ) I'd also like to see if anyone else is willing to try this.
Despite the bloatware, I'm still surprised at this unit's snappy performance -- the boot time after a 'hybrid' shut down is still 5-6 seconds for me, and I definitely don't have the skills to make this thing any faster... I can only open and break things. -
It was asking for key when I installed on win 7 machine but not on duo.
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I believe that these OEM machines get activated with their hardware footprint at microsoft. The version that they are sold with gets activated within 4 hours of usage. After activation you are able to reinstall Windows as you like (obviously the same edition of windoows, if you brouught pro you can reinstall pro).
Furthermore I was amazed at the amount of crapware in a positive way. I removed McAfee and those stupid WildTangent games. Oh, and the stupid Microsoft Office trial. I don't even remember more crapware being there. I'm not really sure how the Windows 8 Stroe determines that we have a Vaio, but it is possible that by reiinstalling Windows 8 you are excluded from downloading the Vaio applictions in the Store.
has anyone succeeded in opening the Duo any further than the guy with the imgur pictures a few pages back? I called Sony and asked them about the RAM module, they couldn't give me details but claimed that they had some kind of custom-slot RAM modules that cannot be bought in stores. That and the hassle of installing RAM modules in my brand new ultrabook made me want to choose for doing the upgrade at Sony. I also got a 10% discount. The bad thing is that I need to buy a new adapter because I lost mine the day that I got my Duo (left the Duo's box at the bus stop, luckily my VGN-Z was in there, not the duo itself!). In the netherlands accessoires are also near impossible to get
. And as noted in this thread before universal power adapters are near impossible to find for this voltage and amperage
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Hi everyone,
I bought my Vaio Duo 11 one week ago, from Sony Center Bruxelles. It is a standard model, I5/4Gb RAM/128 Gb SSD/GPS present. Except from the original crap software (McAfee, Wild Tangent, Sony Memories, etc.), I haven't had any of the touch problems (touch response seems to be good).
The boot time is absolutly amazing, about 5 seconds until the desktop appears.
The screen is incredible, the colour is s vibrant and the resolution superb. I have relative small hands, so the miniature keyboard isn't a serious issue for me.
I have noticed no heat issues, the fan seems very quiet and my unit it's silent most of the time.
I really hate the optical nub (too small, too sensitive) and the lack of slot for the stylus. Also, battery life could be better. -
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The pen can indeed be "docked" using Velcro that has adhesive tape on the back. I have been using the solution for a few days for note taking on the go without any problems - it's actually more convenient than pen silos like that of the HP 2710p:
Using two rings of velcro adds stability and the placement at the left side avoids inteference with the USB ports. The velcro on the chasis was "trimmed" so hooks are only present where needed. Obviously the "wooly" side goes on the pen to ensure a comfortable grip. ( adhesive srips do not stick to the screen - obviously the screen is coated somehow and quite effectively ) To ensure that the Velcro does not fall off the pen, a small patch of velcor is used to hold together the ends where they join.
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Could someone check the model/brand of the 256GB SSD (the discs number in device manager shoud do) or better confirm if is a Self-Encrypting Drive - SED?
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The pictures in your message aren't showing up as valid attachments - is there any chance you could re-post them? I'd really like to see how you did this. Thank you!
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As to PDF editing, I'm in complete agreement with you. MS's offering is pretty abysmal with eraser support not even being present (at least on nTrig). MS should also offer the option to quickly highlight with a our pens, and a click of the 2nd stylus button. That's the LEAST I want to see, with the option change pens on my longer list. Android is truly superior on this front, with my HTC Flyer's STOCK! PDF editing app created by HTC giving me a lot more flexibility. I'd imagine that Samsung's S-Pen devices offer similar apps.
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After several calls to Sony technichians who could not establish the brand and model of the SDD could somebody check the number on the 256 GB SDD in the device manager (I have included hendess picture of how to do it/ showing his self installed Cruzial disk model numberhere: http://i47.tinypic.com/110k30m.jpg ). I would like to confirm if it is self encrypting (as I have an i3 on order and discovered that only the i5 and i7 have the extended AES instruction set, thus the i3 processor would be loaded down and draw more battery if I employ software encryption, with the capability of the disc to handle the encryption itself, this is no problem).
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Vaio Duo 11 Owners Thread
Discussion in 'VAIO / Sony Owners' Lounge Forum' started by Qwaarjet, Nov 2, 2012.