My discoveries on Vaio Z’s Hybrid Graphics

Just a warning SirRobin, your temps are really high. I would avoid playing if you are still using the test driver.

 

This temperatures are the same with original drivers on my machine!

I think this should be no problem?

 

speaking about temperature, i dont know about you guys,
but from my observation (running gpu-z, everest), whatever drivers is using, the nvidia 9300gs will have max 96 ~ 97 (usually at 96) temp running at full clock. somehow i wish i can limit the gpu clock instead running max, but of course the performance will be sacrifice.

 

It could be a problem. It will shorten the life of your GPU.

Are sure that's the case with your Z Miyabi-san? Mine maxes out at 82 with Dox's driver. If you want to limit your GPU clock, use Rivatuner.

 

As far as i know the asien z´s have a better cooling system, maybe this is the answer for that?

Is there a specification whats the maximum temperature für the 9400m´s?

 

I don't have an Asian Vaio Z. It's a US version CTO.

 

Sweet. This is working on my Joybook S42 (Vista 32-bit) right now.. no issues at all so far.
With Furmark, max temp appears to be 97C, which is about the same as before.

Weird thing is the Intel graphics context menu is gone, the one when you right-click the desktop and there is rotation, you can pick which monitors etc. "Graphics properties..." is still there though

 

yeah, its 96c (using stock or dox) when running gpu demanded software. the only different between dox and stock driver is , the stock driver always have gpu core clock stay at 580Mhz (max gpu clock for nvidia 9300m gs) while dox driver let the gpu clock to decrease when not needed (such as when no gaming).

ive try using rivatuner before, but somehow not affected to the gpu.

about asian version, i am using it, and mine its not cto. its says made in japan.

image of gpu clock which stay all the time when running speed mode:

 

Mine is about 59 degrees Celcius under regular use in Windows XP with powermizer off. If powermizer is on, it drops clocks for core/memory to 169/100 and temperature goes down to 47 degrees. That's from GPU-Z 0.3.4 as well.

 

Thanks.. it is nice to have confirmation from a Joybook user. I have been looking all over for a Joybook owner to help test these. I have disabled the following on the Intel side with these drivers: Hotkeys, Context Menu & Tray Icon. So it is by design.

I have updated 186.08 to install more properly on Vista, and have added non optimised INFs and 186.03 to test for those with heat issues.

186.08 (Update 3), 186.03 & Non Optimised INFs

 

The inf isn't working on Vista 32-bit.

I tried:
http://nautisiandesigns.com/drivers/testing/inf/186_x64_v3/nv_hybg7.inf
http://nautisiandesigns.com/drivers/testing/inf/186_x86_v3/nv_hybg7.inf

both say Setup detected that the operating system is not Vista/7 64-bit blahblah designed to run on only on Vista/7 64-bit. The installation will be terminated.

edit: same thing for 18603_win7x86_hybgfx

 

Hrmm.. ok I will look at em. Sorry bout that.

EDIT: Thanks for the report. They will most likely all give the same error since they are based on the same base INF. I will try to fix it ASAP. I really need to get Vista back on here so I quit screwing things up like this.

 

When I open it I get:

 

namaiki, I have reupdated the INFs. Hopefully it will fix the issue you were running into. The executables have not been updated yet.

 

Sorry mate, another similar yet different error appeared:

 

Well shoot. Looks like it will be a little more difficult to fix than I first thought. Thank you for the reports and screen shots.

EDIT:
<- Idiot... figured it out I hope, fix coming soon.

 

The only possible thing that may cause it is a T series processor.

 

im using P8600. if you notice from the picture i attach, the gpu clock running at full clock even im not running any gpu demanded software. if im using dox/nautis customization, the gpu clock will be decrease somewher around 100+ and so the temp will be at 55c. but its not make a different if im running gpu demanded software as it will always at 96c at peak for both stock and customization.

 

I just don't understand that. Even if I run DMC4 for an hour or so, temperature never goes above 85 C. Just around 82 C.

 

good for ya, maybe its weather there or my cooling system gone kaput? here is like 28~29c. btw, you are using nautis test driver for your win 64bit? im running back the stock driver and im on win vista 32bit tho.

 

Temps reach up to 37C here. I switched back to Dox's driver since Nautis' test driver makes my gpu run hot.

 

i see. anyway, if i wanna game for long, i will just go with intel hd4500 since my game still able to play it, and its run cooler (60~ 65 max). its understandable that light and small notebook wouldnt have good cooling for gaming, even the Z dev said they had to cut down the cooling system unlike SZ in order to produce Z.

now if only they are active updating the new driver for VAIO. Sony should hire peeps like Nautis or Dox, or perhaps they close their one eyes waiting for NVIDIA to release all the stuff for them, while at NVIDIA side they are waiting for Sony to give green light to produce new driver for Z. When i want to update via NVIDIA website, its said that the driver is up to date and to use driver from manufacturer side (Sony) :/

 

I tried the open test drivers (with 186.08) on my Z. They install fine and switching is working even with the hardware switch, but games randomly crashes (they just hang) Not sure if its heat cause the Z doesnt really have time to get very hot.

Also no low 16:9 resolution? would be nice for some games ^^

 

Have you tried the Non-Optimised 186.08 xx-Bit INF or 186.03 ?

Also what Windows and 32-bit or 64-bit?

 

I'm using vista business 32-bit.

186.03 is working fine so far, alltough I have to start is stamina mode to get the hardware switch to work.

The inf files for the none optimised seems to both be for vista64.

 

namaiki, helped me figure that out last night. You may have downloaded the version before I fixed it. If you download it again it should work better.

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+----------------------------------+
| Hybrid Graphics Vista & Windows 7 |
+-------------------------------------------------------+
| Nvidia 190.15 | Intel 1808 | 32Bit & 64Bit | Coming Soon |
+-------------------------------------------------------+

 

Wow. That is amazing, we are are getting latest Intel & Nvidia drivers !!
I hope brightness works this time. Great work Nautis ....

 

No it doesn't.

Has anyone had brightness adjusting properly with any Hybrid Graphics driver in the past? I have been working with so many drivers I have forgotten.

I am still working on it though. Some things are fixable with settings and some are bugs in the drivers that can only be fixed by nvidia.

EDIT: Oh almost forgot.

*OPEN TEST* - Hybrid Graphics drivers for Windows 7 & Windows Vista - *OPEN TEST*
64-Bit | Nvidia Version: 190.15 | Intel Version: 1808 | Packaged By: Nautis (Featuring "Dox Optimised" settings)
32-Bit | Nvidia Version: 190.15 | Intel Version: 1808 | Packaged By: Nautis (Featuring "Dox Optimised" settings)


New as of 6/19/2009:
190.15 32-Bit INF (Version 2)
190.15 64-Bit INF (Version 2)
*Version 2 is a test version for those people having problems with the Stamina (Intel) mGPU and errors. The only changes in it are on the Intel side. Right click and save as. Then replace the existing INF in the 190.15 package.

New as of 7/1/2009:
Updated Intel drivers (1825). Extract these over the existing files found in the 190.15 package (downloaded above) and then reinstall. Beyond replacing the files there are no other changes so no new INF.
Intel 1825 Driver Files: x86 | x64


Installing
First make sure you are switched to SPEED mode. Then go into add/remove programs and uninstall the "Nvidia Drivers" which should remove both hybrid graphics drivers (nvidia & intel.) Now go into device manager and make sure both video devices are removed. Reboot and install the new drivers. *Note: Better install instructions coming soon.

Driver Signing & Test Mode
1.)Download Driver Signature Enforcement Overrider
2.)Disable UAC (Can usually be done by typing MSCONFIG in run and going to the Tools tab.)
3.)Run deso13b.exe and choose "enable test mode"
4.)Reboot. (You should see Test Mode at the bottom right corner after reboot.)
5.)Run deso13b.exe again and choose "Sign a System File"
6.)In the box type "C:\Windows\System32\drivers\nvlddmkm.sys" and click ok
7.)Click "Sign a System File" again and this time put "C:\Windows\System32\drivers\igdkmd64.sys"
8.)Reboot and all should work.

I am also updating the previous drivers & INFs I listed. We have got a lot to play with now.
Bring on the install issues! I am sure there are some.

 

Nautis: i got few question to ya, for installation part, choose speed mode(physical switch) for uninstall then reboot. but when i want to install the driver (after reboot), choose the stamina mode (physical switch) back? one thing, if possible, can ya list out whats new whats changes in the new driver? just a list of these two, if you dont mind. thanks again, Nautis!

 

I tend to just leave it on Speed through the whole process. I have seen a couple situations where it doesn't detect the Nvidia dGPU if its on Stamina.

Well one of the big differences between this and the previous driver is that this does not include the resource files needed for some of the additional languages. I have also seen a couple reports of this driver showing worse performance than the previous. Drivers tend to work work differently for different chipsets though and I haven't had time to test this one for performance yet. I am sort of leaving it up to you guys to test for now. I don't have any other information of differences. Sorry.

 

Installed successfully, currently using it.. first restart was black screen, after that, no problems encountered.

Furmark, max core temp 96C; about the usual temp.
Idle temp is 58C, also about the usual temp.

 

I advise double checking Device Manager.
Clicking "NVIDIA GeForce 9300M GS"
Then clicking "Driver Details" and make sure you check the .dll files and make sure most of them are 190.15.

Note:nvtmmhyb.dll and nvbridge.kmd will be different versions.

This is good advice after any driver install as sometimes windows likes to report you are using the newer driver and the old files are actually being used.

Check both the Nvidia & Intel drivers.

 

I used driver cleaner, so I think the older drivers get flushed, however a lot of the intel drivers are 7.14.10.1794, the geforce drivers appear to be fine.

 

Hmm.. I wonder if these new Intel drivers are Win7 only. It sounds like the Intel drivers are rolling back to functional ones. I suspected this may be the case after the black screen. Can any other Vista users confirm this?

This is what many Hybrid Graphics users were doing with Dox 185.85. Essentially forcing a Intel rollback. It should work alright, though it is not optimal. With 185.85 it was the opposite scenario though. Win7 rolling back and Vista working.

EDIT: Actually now that I look at it it seems some of the files provided in 1808 are version 1794. So it looks like it is working as intended, though that is strange. Brain fried.. might need a little break.

 

Today first start with stamina mode, switching will not work correctly - a driver for the standard vga card driver is installed, then a prompt for reboot.

Booting in speed mode worked perfectly.

 

I have been testing your 190.15 driver for some time now, and so far everything seems fine (Vista business 32-bit here) The hardware switch works no matter which mode I boot in, playing games seem fine but best of all, it gives more resolutions! ;D yay! Brightness is working too.

I'll keep testing

 

How about your temps Czez?

 

Installed for testing. Its english only i think, but the language files are included.

 

Switched back to previous driver v3 - the color part in the settings is still english only, i think a little bug in this great driver. No i´m testing what happend when booting in stamina and switching to speed...

Also the nvidia gpu settings in the energy options are still in english.

EDIT* Is there a way to fix this during the registry? Or must that be coded in the driver?

 

Temps using 190.15, Windows Vista Business 32-bit

Maximum temps I'm getting are around 78C (I was playing Prototype for about 20-30min)


Avarage readings are around 57C (Idle, mostly surfing non-flash websites)

 

lol I was like, OMG my computer doesn't clock down that smoothly, until I read afterwards that it was the average.

 

Nvidia has made language support extremely difficult. The control panel likes to try to "intelligently" select the language based on your region settings set in windows. Without hacking the actual control panel files themselves forcing a language is next to impossible. The GPU power settings in windows however may be able to be changed as those strings are actually in the registry.

I will try to look into this further for you Sir Robin.

 

Are you playing Prototype? How is it going with these drivers? I'm playing it witch Dox drivers, 1024x768, all details on low and even though it doesn't run really smoothly. It's OK if I'm alone, but if there is big fight (like with the helicopters on the beginning), it's quite choppy. And the resolution is really too low for playing it...

 

I dont think its going to be any major difference to be honest

I play the game at resolution 640x480 and AA at 2x, try that and se if it gets faster. The AA usually makes up for the loss of quality and you still gain a lot of performance

The game runs ok for me, sometimes it slows down, but it seems more random to be honest .. like when climbing a building... (?) I dont think the 9300M GS likes the small dust particle effects when you run

 

So are there any issues anyone is running into with 190.15? Windows 7 64bit still has the brightness issue for me. Are there any other problems anyone has noticed? Does 190.15 seem to work better than 186.08?

I would not expect the drivers to have too dramatic of an impact on performance on our lowly 9300Ms.

 

Interesting, I don't have any slowdowns while climbing, but when fighting with many enemies. Anyway still the game which looks the best on our Z is Gears of War for me And 640x480 has to be really tiny, no? Even in 1024x768 it's quite hard to see the World around...


btw...I never had any problem with Brightness control with custom drivers...was using Sorg's package and now I'm on Dox's ones. Will test out the Nautis's ones, when he'll release the final package, as Z is my main computer...


edit to Nautis: Maybe it would be worth to decide some software for testing (like Futuremark, ...) for all people who wants to (officially) test out your drivers, so we would be able to see the differences between various driver packages, OSs, temperatures, ...

 

Nautis, seems 190 run faster and i'm fine with it in all aspects, except brightness ))
Thank you, once again ))

 

I am personally testing 186.18 to see if there are any differences/improvements. 190.15 seems to be working well for people beyond the brightness issue on Win 7.

 

ive try the new driver, seem ok. and usual the peak temp still the same (96 ~ 97). and like mention by nautis, doesnt seem much different than previous release.

and ive already rollback to stock driver.. somehow i need to relog from hibernate/restart in order to let (the powermizer works well) gpu clock to varies depend on the environment im working with. and also have try gaming l4d with it for few mins, peak is around 87 ~ 88, maybe can rise more, not sure..thats what the record from gpu-z.

below the temp running with alot of tabs - flash and non-flash (firefox), winamp, visio , powerpoint on:


anyway, keep up the good work, nautis!
edit: 92c peak now. i guess it will keep at 96 ~ 97.

 

Quick question: will disabling Test Mode work? Also, has there been any success in removing the watermark in Windows 7? I don't want to remove it if it's going to invalidate the OS.. Aside from the brightness as everyone has said, the driver is basically working in Windows 7 64-bit (7229).