New Sony VAIO X Series Announced

Not sure what your asking but I was referring to youtube?

 

I need to expand my usage of a notebook then, I though mp3 and old divx were enough

anyway...back on je UCLV topic...if sony puts ultra low voltage C2D +intel 4000HD GPU inside vaio X, wouldnt that just be a TT without optical drive then?

Meaning fan cooling, bigger housing and bigger battery...maybe -200grams, because no optical drive, but thats it.

 

Interesting atom news. http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/intel-atom-n470-1-83ghz-cpu-coming-to-netbooks-early-next-year/

 

2 reasons:
-watching HD content on the internal screen
-watching HD content on my HDTV

 

You think this new atom would not be able to manage 720p videos? 1080p are too much for 11" anyway...

how would you hook X to your HDTV since it does not have HDMI ?

I dont think X will be made for this functions, thats what TT or Z is for.

 

It will.

Through VGA.

PS. all pictures and videos are from a pre-production model. Since Sony hasn't decided what CPU they use (so they say), changes on ports are just as possible in my opinion.

 

It would be good if this could come with a HDMI port. It would give people more of an incentive to buy this i'm sure. I don't own a laptop with a HDMI port so for me yes this would be an incentive if it had one.

Yes at 1.5lbs with the standard battery and no dvd drive this is very light weight. However, most people can handle weights of around 2.2lbs-2.6lbs without any problem. My 5 year old nephew can. The TZ weighs in this area and the weight can be reduced by removing the dvd drive.

Without a dvd drive and more space available this laptop should have the space to offer a fairly decent cooling system.

I would prefer if the standard battery life was better. With a standard battery my TX can exceed 7 hrs battery life in Vista with decent settings. Still though, we don't what the battery life will be. The P series battery appeared to be a little exaggerated but Sony is usually quite good where that is concerned.

I'm not a power user. This laptop is expensive to me for a 2nd laptop. An 11in at those prices €1,500-€2,000 i would be looking for it to be my main laptop.

I'm sure some people will buy it for that though, a second laptop. Sales will be probably lower than the TT for the fact that many people did buy this laptop as their only laptop so could justify the price tag more.

I want a processor to be able to cope with everything and not be running maxed or near it. I'm sure with general tasks a C2S would perform better in this area. A laptop with a C2S processor i would not even take to be my main laptop but i would pay more for it then i would something with an atom because i would get better performance.

I would like to see Sony come out with a CULV core 2 solo laptop with a price tag in the £800-£1,500 region.

 

i always wanted to have Sony's thin laptop... it is just one things in my wish list. i remember the very first pic of X505 when it came out years ago.. wow. it was something... New X series looks really good.. i just wish they price it right so a poor man like me could afford one..

 

You just got me thinking, is there any chance that if the chipset/CPU hasn't been finalised yet then maybe, maaayyybee, they might swap that janky old vga port for an HDMI on the final version?

Am I dreaming?

 

It's possible. If the CPU hasn't been chosen it means the motherboard hasn't been chosen.

Some phones come with mini HDMI ports, I see no reason why the X couldn't come with one.

 

"Some phones" do not output high definition component video, that's why. HDMI can also be used for audio and low-res non-HDCP video. It's a multi-purpose plug, much like SCART (but far smaller).

 

700g is great, but $2000?...

 

Maybe in this time of crisis, somebody could do a little math and calculate how much is it saved per year, if you use this laptop, instead of a "normal" one?

This should have a power of 7W right? how much for LCD?

How much power does Z use?

 

P series uses 10 watt in office use
Z series uses 20 watt in office use

The savings will be insignificant. Especially considering the price of over $1000.

 

This isn't that simple.

I know my SZ (according to battery bar) uses around 11W to 18 (maybe 20W) when not under load but actually using it.

So your difference won't be that big.

 

Just to clarify as much as would like it i don't think that we will be seeing a CULV processor in this notebook anymore. I think that Sony have the capability do it but i don't think that they will. I would though as i stated in my last post like to see Sony come out with an 11.1-11.6 CULV notebook.
This is what most manufacturers are offering now and what people are tending to want over netbooks with atom processors.

 

I think that was clear from its start, Rachel.

Putting CULV inside this would be just making a TT without optical drive. I see no use on this...

 

b|lly, you seem very keen about this product.

Other companies can come out with core 2 solo notebooks under $500/£449. Now Sony don't have to sell something for that price but i don't see why they could not make a similar notebook sub £1,000. Even paying a bit more would be acceptable.

Let us see how sales go with this product. I hope for Sony sake that sales appear to better than what they are for the W series and P series.

 

I read P series is popular among business people. I don't know if it's true though.

 

By the way, b|lly, it seems like you were aware of the X series before anyone else. Do you work for Sony?

 

No, lets say I sell sony products and have a source very close to Sony that sometimes reveal information long before its know to public...thou..i knew about X only a few days earlier, then it was posted here.

Rachel...I am just saying, that CULV needs cooling and needs a solid GPU, like Intel 4000HD. So CPU+GPU heats up and we need fan to cool it down. If fan was not needed, then TT would be made without it, dont you think so? Also..check apple AIR, it have core 2 solo and a lot of problem with heat.

 

And the Air uses Aluminium which acts like a giant heatsink, but it's heavy.

The Sony X is too thin (being not alu) and light for culv CPU + GPU in my opinion.

 

What i meant was that i would like Sony to come out with a core 2 solo notebook like their competitors. I'm not saying that this X series will be it. It would be what i would like to see though. It probably will not happen though.

 

Cool. How about the new CS series? Will it be lighter?

 

It will be called CW, similar to FW, AW, NW....

It could be 13", but nothing yet confirmed. Since it will be same material as current CS (plastic) I doubt it will be lighter, unless its really 13.

Rachel, so you are saying there are other products, netbooks, that are around 1kg and have core 2 duo cpu and a price of 500$ ? I dont quite understand, sorry.

 

Rachel is speaking about a Core 2 Solo (!!) not Duo.

 

To clarify: Billy was responding to my question not Rachel's.

 

Oh...sorry then. I did not know there are core 2 solo products out there, should follow the market more clearly...

So there are cheap netbooks with core 2 solo outthere, what are model names?

 

I don't think they sell as netbooks, but notebooks.

I know Acer - cough, cough, cough - has one on the market in the 13" segment.
(Saw it in a shop in Germany)

I think 600 or 700€ - looked pretty thin and light, I didn't give it more attention though. And thin as in - thin laptop nothing to break records.

 

thin, but not much light. It's Acer TimeLine.

 

Check Phil's sig for some info or check the review section on this board.
The Dell 11z is also there, HP also just announced a model, Samsung are coming out with a model also the
x120.
Gateway also have a model out now. It is definitely an interesting market.

I see that Dell just announced yesterday a XPS Dell Adamo. If it goes to production it probably is going to be a 13.3 notebook. I think that though will be the thinnest notebook out there on the market, i think even beating the X series.

 

I doubt it. Even if it's the thinnest, since the first Dell Adamo weighs 2kg, I don't think it will be lighter than the X

 

I was going by what i read here. I didn't say it is predicted to be the lightest.

 

Quite a machine, thou I doubt it will weight less than 1kg. Since it will use CULV it must have some active cooling, so quite "heavy" cooling system...but hey...we can leave our heads open for surprise. Maybe they are using the same "technology" as Apple, put the whole housing as a big cooling system, using alluminium..

 

The Air isn't a Core 2 Solo, is a LV Core 2 Duo using the SL line of intel chips. That part of the reason for is heat, the SL uses 17w of power then tie it up with ION and even more. Not sure how much more or less heat it produces compared to the first gen Air which had the X3100 gpu(which i hear produces more heat than the 4500hd). BTW Lenovo had an 11in with the same specs as the first gen MBA, and the heat from what I hear isn't terrible on that.

I just want to see the X using a cpu that has more power than the Atom. I had a netbook, and the Atom N cpu was okay at best. Would have been better if they put the dual core atom cpu in it. I hope that the X gets a dual core atom cpu, and possibly tied to ION, if not something better than the gma950 and 500.

 

The X3100 is very heavily driver dependant.

The currently newest Intel drivers (don't work on Photoshop) and sometimes make the GPU overheat in my Vaio SZ (and yes, vents are clean).

Now, using the stock drivers all is fine!?!
And my laptop is much cooler.

 

The pricing, just wow. This really is just as expensive as the TT series retail pricing.

Sony VAIO X11SAE/B Laptop - VGNX11SAEB
£1,799

VGNX11Z1EX
rrp £1,987
http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Sony_X_Laptops/prod.asp

 

So, what was the point of discontinuing the TT? This is basically the same thing but thinner and a slower processor.

 

And half the weight. So, in my opinion, it's a completely different thing.

There is not other laptop at 700 grams. There is not other...

 

Half the weight with a 31w battery, we still need to see how that will deliver in regards to battery life.
I'm actually waiting for the TT to go on clearance prices then i will try and get one.

 

I think its at clearance price in the States right now. I got mines under $1200 new, and I have 160gb and HDMI port.

 

From the press, I see there is no sony classic round battery like the X505, I guess the carbon fibre is very hard to make to that shape, otherwise sony will definitly use it on the new X.

 

So, what is the point of this?

 

Am I hearing this correctly

Sony is removing an ultra portable business notebook (that's what the TT was supposed to be) and replace it with a record breaking Netbook?
(Thinness and weight)

Why not keep both?

 

I personally don't think the two events are related but that's just my opinion.

With the introduction of CULV, I assume TT was selling bad. That's why Sony stopped selling it in some places.

If the TT will be replaced it will be with a CULV 11" or 11.6".

 

That's interesting, a four-character suffix. Don't think I have ever seen it. Looks like the last one is the cover, and I guess, as always, one is the OS. Maybe the S means a SUxxxx ULV CPU and the Z means a Zxxx Atom CPU??? Although I can't believe Sony doesn't charge extra on the ULV.

 

Wow. So they don't know what CPU but yet model numbers and pricing is ready

I think "we don't know the CPU" was a blatant lie, maybe because N450 was still under non disclosure. Or maybe some other reason. I wonder what they're tring to hide.

 

laptopsdirect have new laptops many many many times a few months before they come out..it was same for W, and is same for following models that will come with Windows7, check their shop..

any many times prices changes..maybe this is a premium laptop and there will also be a cheaper one. I think TT was around this price too, when it came out, and TZ was then almost half its price..its normal, when old model gets out of the way of a new...

about TT OEL...I believe its because of awesome Z...Z is only 0.2kg heavier than TT and offers a LOT more, so I believe Z is selling better than TT and they decide to sack it, since there is no way to improve it batter duo to all things that is making him heavy (fans, optical drive, cooling system)...

 

There are various TT models as you know b|lly. Some retailed at under £1,600 so the start value price of some models appears to be cheaper. I was not actually comparing the X series to discounted TT laptops. I was looking at the rrp.

This model was never over £1,600
http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/Sony_VAIO_TT21JN-B_Laptop_VGNTT21JNB/version.asp?PID=163

Laptopsdirect had two X series models listed there. Unless Sony is going to offer CTO models then i cannot imagine Sony offering more models but may be they will.

I see what you're saying prices sometimes can come down a little and this is something what retailers do more than Sony.

I think some people might have expected or wanted the X series to be cheaper. The TT some assumed was replaced for being too expensive but something just as expensive takes it places with what appears to be inferior specs.

Ok, this will be more of a fashion statement/*artistic design* item for those who really love thin laptops and who are to pay the high price tag for that. I hope that somewhere along the line that Sony will come out with a more fully featured ultraportable again.

 

Phil wrote: "
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Originally Posted by DetlevCM View Post
Am I hearing this correctly

Sony is removing an ultra portable business notebook (that's what the TT was supposed to be) and replace it with a record breaking Netbook?
(Thinness and weight)

Why not keep both?
I personally don't think the two events are related but that's just my opinion.

With the introduction of CULV, I assume TT was selling bad. That's why Sony stopped selling it in some places.

If the TT will be replaced it will be with a CULV 11" or 11.6"."

I think this and some other posts make it sensible to hold this thread ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=411972&page=3) alive and hot, because it it meant to deal with Sony not going to shut down the offering of a T-like machine in the future.

Symptomatically, there has not been a post in that thread since 2nd September, in fact the same day as the first post in this X-thread was posted, and that is supposedly no coincidence.