New Sony VAIO X Series Announced

@ mandersen to quote people please use the quote button at the lower right side of each post. Or use [ quote ] and [ /quote ] in between tags without spaces.

 

I find that product page highly suspect. I bet it's simply a place holder more than anything along with those prices. Amazon and other online retailers are known to do this for products that haven't been officially announced.

 

Well type numbers like "VAIO X11SAE/B" seem 100% real to me.

Laptopsdirect was the first site to list the Acer 1810TZ, way before anyone else, and they were totally right.

 

What?? If the price is correct, then they can't put an Atom inside. Must be CULV or Sony really lost it and is going to have another failure...like the P series or the W series. When people they will understand that their laptops are offering exactly the same as other manufactures and the price is the double? Just because is "Sony"? Exaclty like Apple. For the TZ series I could justify the price, when they weren't so many netbboks, Core 2 Duo, SSD and optical drive. For the X is incredible to ask this amount of money...especially with an Atom!

 

X will weight 700 grams..there is no SIMILAR machine out there.

X will last 18 hours with extended battery...there is no SIMILAR machine out there.

if this is "completely" the same as others, then i am stupid.

PS, W have screen resolution that no other 10" netbook have
PSS, P is 700 grams and dimensions like a postage letter.

PSSS, some people just dont care so much about performance, some just want awesome portability and they will get it with X.

 

Hey bIlly really how old are you?

Ok, it weight 700 grams...so if it would weight 50 grams it should cost a million? And open a web page in 2 minutes, great job!
Yes, and you believe the 18 hrs that Sony claims? 18 hrs last if you leave it without working on it, real usage it will be 9-10 hrs which is impressive, but still...Good luck Sony selling X series, I want to see the loss at the end of the year, like the year before.

 

"P is a failure" Is that backed up by numbers? I'm interested.

 

I have to agree with armadilo. What is Sony thinking to put this price?? Is quite 2000 euros! Another overpriced product!

@bIlly,

I don't care if you are a Sony fanboy or a Sony dealer, but because we don't like the X series, you can't insult people. Read the rules of the forum again.

 

@armadilo
I think billy is mostly right(except the first line of his last post is a bit off)

I find it quite questionable to discredit Atom per se. I think it's mostly caused by hearsay and not so much based on own experiences. Pine Trail will be ok for normal work and a Vaio X with Atom makes sense imo.

 

I completely agree. Atom N450 will be fine for such a device. Or even a Z540 at 1.86Ghz has enough power for me.

Still overpriced though.

That's not true, HP, Acer and Dell have 10" netbooks with HD display.

 

About the P series I heard that was quite succesfull in the business market. But from what I read in the pocketables forum a lot of users complain for it's performance. Needs a lot of tweaking, I think. Btw, sorry for the off topic but did anyone heard when is coming the Vaio P mark 2?

 

Yes sir, if somebody makes a notebook right now, that weights 50 grams, it can have a price of a million, and people will buy it. That is like going to Jupiter, because its almost impossible, price for its production is infinitive too.

Same for X, i bet the production costs are very high, since they are making something that is not on the market and since its unique, it can have a higher price. dont worry, market will show if its a success or a failure. Like happend to TT, since there is no market for it, its going down.

If your statement would be correct, then there would be no apple laptop outthere and everybody would own Acer, HP, and similar laptops...luckily for me, that want some more than just a plastic box, there is Sony.

Since this is not going nowhere and the level of communication is beyond normal, I will try to only comment on technical stuff.

Lets hope to get some real specs soon and end this nonsense.

 

I do agree with Billy's point, the 700 gram weight puts the X in a class of it's own.

Still it would be nice if they could keep it around a $1000, but I don't see that happening.

 

Exactly, it should be around $1000, not the double. Billy you are the first one you did personal remarks, so don't play smart.
Are there any moderators in this forum to delete personal insults or we can call whoever we want stupid??
Armadilo, don't exagerate with your comments, is overpriced but is a "Sony". I admit that the design of the X is really amazing.

 

this is the same reason why i opt on Sony.
tho, seeing the X price with an atom at that price, kinda imba. not a fan of netbook anyway.

still X is a nice machine to look for to people who like travel and in the same time has the desktop at home for main computer, else Z is there.

 

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Hey guys, what did you expect? Did you really thought that it would cost under $1,5k? Anyways for commenting we need the actual specs of the X. I expect SSD at this price, I hope.

 

NEC do have a 10.6 in 755g 15mm netbook. Of course it is not clad in carbon fibre.

 

Good point. That would be the competition. It would be nice to know the price.

 

link please?

 

http://www.netbooknews.it/nec-versapro-vs-nuove-immagini/

http://blog.laptopmag.com/1850-nec-netbook-is-superthin-obscenely-expensive

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/necs-versapro-ultralite-type-vs-is-thicker-but-lighter-than-air/

As you can see the price of this product is extremely high too...

 

So if the Atom is confirmed on the Vaio X here is my opinion:

- It will have the same tech specs as most good netbooks out there that cost no more than 400-500€
- It is by far the most light and thin "netbook", sony design etc. so let's double the price.Most people would be ok to pay 1000€ for it.I would...
- Add 200€ for the SSD and we top at 1200€.

Anything higher is too much as far I am concerned. Especially the 2000€ rumors are insane.It would be a pity to fail commercially only because of the excessive price, like the Adamo

 

Thanks for this reminder, and I think my point maybe disappeared because of this wrongdoing on my part: The post became difficult to read.

Therefore, I will take this as an opportunity to make my point clear: Many Forum members (and also others) take it more or less for granted that the new X series will be the replacement of the T series, and of course the TT model in particular, as it was the last, so far.

I will again point out the fact the first post in this thread was made 2nd September and the last post in the thread about what will follow with the T series after the discontinuation of the TT model was in fact posted the very same day.

I hope there are more T series enthusiasts other than me that hope and will argue for some type of continuation of the formfactor and capacities of the T series, the flagship series in its very own class. IMO the X series doesn't fullfill the capacities and formfactor of the T series near to a sufficient degree that it can be said to replace it. So, in spite of these financial difficult time, I hope Sony will come up with some new T series model, and also hope that Forum members will continue to give important input to Sony about what is wanted in the future, hopefully in the spirit of the T series, regardless of what it will be called.

 

Enjoy three videos of the X series:

http://translate.google.com/transla...n-video-6486.html&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=

 

X disappeared from Laptopsdirect ?!

 

They tend to do things like that. You might get it trouble for releasing specs so might be pressurised by a company to remove the pre-release info. This is why i wrote the details down as i did think that might happen.

 

That price is very disappointing. I own a Z series Vaio and I'm very interested in picking up an X series model when they are released as the extra portability & battery life would be very useful. I was expecting a £1300-£1500 level, but nudging £2k is quite astonishing bearing in mind the current financial climate!

 

So, Sony admits the TT didn't sell well in the current economy, so what do they do, but replace it with slower, bigger model with less expansion capabilities, and think that will sell?
A $3000 Atom based notebook?

I think Sony needs to subject their decision making managers to sobriety tests, because this is wasting the shareholders' money.

 

The spec hasn't been confirmed yet. I don't think they will use existing Atom chips, the new Atom 'Pineview' chips are not due until Q1 2010 so they will not be inside the X series.

I hope it will be a low voltage Duo inside. I'm not interested of it's the current Atom, it's not worth £500 of my money, never mind >£1500!

 

Things are always very expensive in the EU so you just cannot really convert just like that to get US prices.
We really need to wait and see really. If £1,977 is the rrp then i imagine some retailers could sell this about £1,7500-£1,850.
If there is actually to be a cheaper model with it could be sold a bit cheaper than that but like i said we need to really wait and see.
What we can see though is that it does not appear to be any cheaper than some TT models.

As for the NEC laptop i mentioned Conics sells those. Those are not exactly the best looking things either but they are thin and light.

It looks like Dell is going for a CULV processor for the XPS Adamo and if so they will likely fit a fan inside a 9.99mm laptop.

An atom and a CS in W7 can we really say that the Atom would improve on battery life markedly? In XP i would expect the atom to get much better battery life.

 

I still don't think the 2000 euro price stands. Laptops direct may have taken down the page because if I was Sony I would have wanted to stop them from making it seem like we're pricing our products like fools.

If the 2000 price does stand it's going to be a core chip OR they best be using some 64GB SLC SSD or something.

Either way even if they do go with atom, I hope Sony Japan offers some BTO options including core chips similar to how TZs and Gs had Celerons in base configurations and could be upgraded to core solos and duos.

 

Even so, when it appears on a shelf next to e.g. an Asus U6V, I'm not sure that the longer battery life will be enough to sell it, with other importan specs being so far behind and the price being much higher.

 

Exactly my point few posts ago. +1

I have the feeling though that is not going to be Atom based. Or better I hope so.
Anyone heard anything about the P "mark 2"? Sony announced in August that the new P2 will come in October, but from then no news.

 

The real life conversion for market good is in most cases from Euro € to Dollar $ 1:1.

Some things are excluded - but not a lot.

 

Yeah, but this was pounds, not euro.

A a major difference is that in the UK, if only one price is stated to consumers, it's including VAT, while in the US, if only one price is stated, it's excluding sales tax.
So when a Brit sees a machine advertised at 2000 pounds, he pays 1300 pounds plus sales tax, or the exchange equivalent of $3200.
When an American sees a machine advertised at $3000, he pays (with an average sales or use tax of 6% -- it differs between states) $3200.

 

Any news one this model, maybe some specs revieled?

 

Sony will confirm the models & specifications in October. The X series line obviously won't get released before Windows 7 starts shipping so we will have to wait 2-3 weeks before we hear anything official.

 

Dutch website is listing specs an price:
Korte Specificaties:
Intel Atom Processor Z540 1.86 GHz, X-Black LCD 11.1" met LED Technologie, 2048MB (1x2048MB), 128GB SSD, Intel gedeeld videogeheugen, Wireless LAN 802.11a/b/g/n, Bluetooth, 0.3MP Webcam, Windows Vista 7 Professional 64-bit (NL/UK), 0.64/0.78 Kg, Max. Batterijtijd: 5 uur, HDSPA WWAN Card

€ 1,250.00 (excl. BTW)
Bedrag incl BTW = Bedrag excl BTW x 1,19)

http://computerpirates.com/index.html?loadfile=itemvgn-x1.html

Specs are like I expected, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. 5 hours seems too low though.

 

with that kind of spec , it certainly wont replace T series lineup :/

i really hope sony is currently in process r&d for upcoming T series, maybe in future we will have like TT + X = new T series perhaps?
just like Z = SZ + TZ

 

I'm still waiting for Sony to announce it's CULV line. X won't be it.

Sofar Acer, MSI, Dell, Asus, HP have already announced/started selling their CULV lines.

 

It seems like laptopsdirect were out then unless there is going to be more configurations or may be this website is out lol.
That price €1487/£1271 with a 128GB SSD is not that bad. May be this model does not have premium carbon fibre?
I'm not fond of atom processors but i'm sure some people will buy this as a second laptop.
The stated standard battery life seems a bit on the short side especially compared what you can get on the market now. Of course this will factor into some peoples decision making.

 

Far out I am so bored of Atom processors. Sorry, short and sweet but I think many people's sentiments are the same. I wouldn't be spending that much money on the X with an Atom - might as well buy an Eee PC, more value for money.

 

Webcam , only 0.3 MP ?

This model will come out with other processors ?

 

I doubt there will be 64 bit OS on X, what would be he use of it, since atom does not supposer 64 bit OS, yet.

 

Maybe because its extremely thin.

On the original SZ Sony had to desing a new webcam to fit it in their screen.
(According to Sony)

 

I believe screen cannot be any thicker than the one on TTs...so they can use the cam from it?

 

Who said something about thick?

I said thin.

Something else that comes to my mind - low light capability.

At its most basic:
The more pixels, the worse in low light.

But this isn't strictly as sensor size is important too - and there is a Point and shoot (either Sony or Fujifilm) that can use 2 pixels for low light, thus a 12MP camera shoots a 6MP picture.

 

The specs and pricing seems to be comparable to P (I'm using US price and assuming that 1 euro is 1 dollar), so may be it's catering to people who like P but just can't stand that screen.

 

I'm gonna play the skeptic on this one too. As mentioned, the 64-bit version doesn't make sense on a computer with a cpu thats 32-bit. Also the price seems to low considering the P with the same 128GB ssd, and lower clocked cpu goes for US$1400 or so. They don't list a proper model name, just the VGN-X1 which doesn't denote a specific model. Finally look at that gnarly website, it looks like it was designed in the days of the 56K modem, doubt that they're big enough sellers that they'd get early specs.

Although I gotta say nice research Phil for finding that for us.

 

Computerpirates is quite a large dutch Sony seller that has been around for a while. I'm skeptical about their price though. Especially considering Laptopsdirect posted a higher price.

I think they're right about the specs.