Vaio Flip: the Yoga hinge comes to Sony

Was so excited about this but it turns out to be a ULV... Not wanting to stir poop, but given that rMBP uses full powered processors and dGPU does it mean that Sony have officially given up the war with Apple?

The Z (and even the S), were such viable competitors because they were sleek and could run windows (yes rMBP can do that as well but after dual booting on your SSD you do not have much space left).

And windows is important for engineers like me who use solid works and AutoCad which crashes A LOT on macs. My Vaio has served me well and I was wishing the Flip (which totally nailed it in light of convertibles) to also come in quad core options!

~sigh

 

I agree they're not dead, but certainly on life support for now. I was honestly surprised Sony didn't offer the 4650 in the CTO Pro, even in Japan. For now, I'll see what the next few months bring. If I wind up going to Japan, I want to see the LX3 in person, although its big negative is no touchscreen (boo). I used Windows 8 for nearly a year without it and I don't want to go back now. At this point I think it's the little things and certain features that will draw people to one laptop or another since specs will be very, very similar (if not the same).

 

Honestly, the 4650 wouldn't have affected their target market (i.e. mainstream/entry level pc buyers) enough to matter, and it also wouldn't have made any of the people who liked the Z more likely to buy the Pro. It would have been a lose/lose from their perspective I guess. There is so much wrong with the Pro (for my needs) and it's such a downgrade from my SVZ that a slight proc bump wouldn't make any difference. Downgrade from dual SSDs to single, subpar screen, lower build quality (no more J models), waaay slower cpu, etc. My next PC will likely be whichever the nicest looking one that has the 4558 (28W) is, since it doesn't look like there will be any reasonably portable laptops with the 35W procs. Zenbook infinity is the front runner for now...

Also, delayed reply

In the video I posted he says the prices are still being determined but "it should be those mainstream entry-level price points" Also, as you can see a few pages back, the price sheets that another member uncovered similarly refers to them as "FIT 15A", etc. implying that it is an extension or continuation of the FIT line. Those same price sheets and other spec sheets I've seen also confirm what I said earlier that the high-res screen is an optional addon and there will be versions without it for lower cost.

I'm not saying they definitely won't refresh the current FIT lineup without the hinge thing, but I can't see why they would, since I don't think they are really in a position today to capture much of that $300-500 range laptop market that Dell and HP pretty much have sewn up, nor should they really want to. I'd consider entry-level for a laptop $600-800 these days anyways... anything below ~$500 is like sub-entry-level, like those $69.99 Sylvania android tablets they sell at CVS.

 

I wasn't suggesting Sony compete in the sub-$500 range. I saw the Fits as existing in the $500-$1000 range (like the Vaio E did), and the Flips existing in the $1000-$1500 range (like the Vaio S did), with high-end models such as the quad-core prototype or the ultra-high-res 15" model reaching into the $1500-$2000 range (like the high-end S and the Z did).

 

It is seemingly a FIT... And yes, backlit kb

Sony Set to Flaunt New VAIO Models at IFA 2013 - HardwareZone.com.ph

 

I have a hard time believing anyone would pay over $2k for a ULV 15" laptop, regardless of screen resolution... My SVZ was only a little over $2k with a quad-core IB full-voltage proc, 2.6 pounds, 0.66 inches thick, sheet battery, 96% Adobe RGB panel, 2x128gb RAID 0 SSDs, etc. Regardless of the resolution (which, let's be honest, is just going to be scaled down to 1080p on that 15" panel anyways) these machines have a LONG way to go before they reach the level of the Z in terms of features, and I think they are being built in China too so build quality will likely not be as good as my made-in-Japan Z.

The Yoga starts around $849 and goes up to $1399 which is where I'd expect these new machines to fall given they have almost identical specs (other than the optional screen res upgrade) and a very similar hook. However, Sony does have a way of pricing things way above where they should be so I guess anything is possible. They did a decent job with the PRO, though, so I have some hope.

 

Yes, it's definitely called the FIT 13A, 14A, and 15A. See:
Sony - Setting the new standard in personal computing: VAIO® Fit multi-flip
which has key specs in the tables at the bottom of the page.

It is a bit disppointing that the proposed models are ULV laptops. However, one quick question. Will the ones with the Nvidia GT 735M graphics card be able to use the graphics card's processor to do non-graphics intensive tasks (like zipping etc)?

 

The m.2 new SSDs are generally faster than your standard SATA-based SSDs. I assume you haven't used a Pro for any length of time. I got my first SSD in the Vaio VGN-G from Japan. It was when 32GB was the max and it was close to a $2000 option. So I have a long history with SSDs. The m.2 is a nice step forward.

IMO, the RAIDed SSDs were flawed. Nice idea. I had the VGN-Z90 (1st gen that had the RAID) and it failed on me. Sony Japan repaired it under warranty, but I'll take a solid, reliable SSD over the proprietary RAID that Sony
implemented any day. In normal real world usage, you won't notice the difference if it's a full SATA III path with a good SSD ... or have the new m.2 SSDs (like in the upper models of the Pro).

In real world usage with the burst speed, you may not notice the CPU. I do a little since I do compile and render videos - that eats CPU. But it's not heinously slower. ULVs of today are not like when I got my VGN-U70P and the 1.0 or 1.1 it was really was worlds apart from its full fledged counterpart.

 

Are the specs really confirmed for this? What's the best processor and gpu you can configure the 15" to have? If the CPU is ULV and the GPU is anything lower than a 750m I believe Sony has lost the performance market. I saw the video on sgnl and the guy said the 15" would have a 2GB nvidia option. Lol, what a joke! Memory means nothing if the chipset is a 735m! But I guess your average Joe doesn't know that. I was talking to someone a few days ago and he was barging about his laptop having a 2GB nvidia. Turns out it was a 730m, lol.

 

I totally agree with FenderP

The m.2 standard is way faster since it uses PCI E now. It has a much higher res panel (we dont know the RGB gamut yet and i know that is more important),
but still it will be offered with a dedicated nvidia GPU in the 15" model, which is way faster than your SVZ (media dock is not an option since it's not inside) and to be honest i know a lot more GPU bound applications instead of CPU bound.
CPU bound i'm thinking of rendering and if that's the purpose then is even a 35W quadcore too slow, dont't forget that the SVZ only offers the 35W quadcore which is quite a lot slower then the real 45W quadcore models in the Macbooks retina for example, which are eventually not much thicker and have a waaaaay more powerfull GPU and better screen.

I am not arguing the SVZ is not a great notebook, IT IS! but you can't compare these two, the Z costs at least 500$ more.

And about the HD5000 graphics, that's just a joke, even a HD4600 will outperform it because of TDP limits.
Intel HD Graphics 5000 - NotebookCheck.net Tech
Look for gaming results and you will see LOWER performance VS HD4600

It may have more EUs, but it just dont fit the 15W enveloppe to run at 100%, the 28W cpus with HD5100 are so much better since they have basicly no TDP limits

Show me an 18mm (hybrid) notebook with an GTX760M and a quadcore (that doesnt overheat), You will fine none. Why? Because there are physic laws. (more heat = more cooling = thicker = more weight)
It's true the GT735M is far from a fast solution, but atleast the offer something more then intel integrated GPU

 

Macbooks have had x50m's, HP has done the same. Razer stuck a 765m in their Blade and it only heats up when gaming, as to be expected, reaching 70~ degrees Celsius. Sony not offering a notebook with at least a 750m this year puts them out of the game for performance once again for many. Plus the price they are charging. What makes this different from the current Fit? Is this a replacement for the S? It might match the S, but the S is a year plus old spec'ed machine, Sony need to release something that surpasses it.

 

Sony never competed in that bracket to begin with. They don't make gaming laptops.

 

Macbooks retinas are the only option yes like i said but you pay 2300$.

LOL you must be kidding me even mentioning the Razer..
It's not an option, unless you accept 50C (FIFTY!) SURFACE temps,
temps that are even too hot to touch.
Why say only heats up when gaming as to be expected?You buy a GTX765M for Word and Chroome?
An alienware also heats up with even more powerfull hardware, but has far lower surface temps then the Razer.
So EXTREME temps and a low res screen with bad color reproduction, No thanks

HP Envy touchsmarts are 30mm fat, not really an option if you are looking for ultraportables (which are 18mm or less)

 

I've been talking about the 15" model if you had not noticed and I'm looking for performance/desktop replacement, not an ultra portable. You mentioned heat in a slim form factor and that's the only reason I mentioned Razer. The Blade doesn't feel at all hot when not gaming, go use one. I'm not comparing this to gaming laptops but the guy in the sgnl video said he would recommend the 15" for gamers. I'm comparing it to other performance laptops. Sony with its F series, S series and now this wants to compete with the Macbook Pro, HP Envy etc and they fail to do that. Why would they advertise it as a performance laptop if they didn't!? If the specs are as some said max i7 ULV and 735m this doesn't compete with other performance laptops. They should have made the 15" a bit thicker and if they can't give it performance level spes a that thickness. The S and F series weren't bad, they just needed a bit of a step up in GPU imo.

 

You guys see the Thinkpad Yoga? After checking that out seems like its going to be a hard choice between the two. This has been a great IFA for hybrids thus far and more choice is never a bad thing.

Pros to Flip
cover the keyboard
slightly more color accurate display (most likely)

CONS
No place to store pen
NTrig (even thought its getting much better fast)
Screen not flush

Pros to Thinkpad Yoga
Integrated Wacom Pen which you can store in the machine
Flush screen
Thinkpad keyboard/trackpad

CONS
Worse color accurate display (most likely)
Still have keyboard somewhat exposed
No eraser on pen

I don't think you can go wrong with either really.

 

Well some of us are searching for an 15" portable and knowing it has a bit more GPU muscles then ultrabooks is a nice extra.
We see it like that.

And I have used a friends Razer blade 14 and it's true it's comfortable when not pushed,
but if you play BF3 it's sooooo hot, annoyingly hot, and if you are going for 3 hrs gaming sessions, suspect CPU throttling.
Saying it only gets burning hot while gaming is no argument. Thats like saying I'm going to buy an GTX780M alienware only to write some Word documents.
Or buying a Porsche just to drive 30km/u at max
If you buy such a device, you will USE it and push it, and I am not arguing it gets hot,
I have an envy 15 (2nd gen from 2010 with AMD 5830M) myself and I know it gets warmer if pushed, but there is a MAJOR difference between warm and (untouchable) hot that it burns.

If you are looking for max performance, Sony is no option for you.


Back @Topic:
The Yoga weighs still a bit more 1.4kg VS 1.2kg Sony Vaio Flip,
but has higher resolution on the other hand. But as far as i know Lenovo don't offer an 14 or 15" model?

 

i can't find this info: how much does the 13" flip weigh?

 

My initial question was have these specs been confirmed? And with any machine you will push it to its limits and if the specs for this are as you say its limits will easily be reached and when reached it will get hot. My Vaio is now 6 years old and when I game or video edit on it it gets very hot in the summer. My point is something with a say 750m shouldn't get very hot when I video edit but a 735m will get much hotter, faster.

 

Read my post again. I didn't say I expected it to be over $2000. I said between $1500 and $2000, which means less than $2000. A price of, say, $1650 is between $1500 and $2000. I think that's reasonable for a device with a 15" 2880x1600 IPS touchscreen, a decent-sized SSD, a dedicated GPU, a convertible hinge, and premium build quality.

 

I'm sorry, but I see CDM speeds of about 1 gigabyte/sec read and 500-700 megabyte/sec write. I have yet to see single-SSD solutions come close to these numbers, but I haven't seen the benchmarks for the newest hardware so I am not completely up to date. What are these SSDs you are talking about benching at in single-SSD solutions?

Regarding CPUs, I would guess the NEXT gen ULVs will likely be faster than my last-gen quad-core full-voltage. However, they will still be significantly slower than that generation's full voltage. I have a 35W in my Z, I see no reason why they couldn't manage to fit the 28W 4558U into the Pro other than a desire to try and make it quieter under full load. I do a lot of compiling, rendering, graphics work, de/compression, so the 96% Adobe RGB screen and full-power processor, combined with a computer thin and light enough to bring with me 24/7, are the main draw of this computer. Plus, I hate having to use a desktop and a laptop and try to keep my files synced between them, be constantly leaving files on one or the other, having to SSH in to grab files I forgot, etc. Having only one computer suits me perfectly, and I don't really need anything more than integrated graphics since they are so good these days and I don't do gaming.

Stop. Macbook retinas do NOT have a better screen than my laptop. Yes, the resolution is higher, but who cares? Realistically, anything over 1080p on a laptop is going to be scaled down to that anyways, so let's stop acting like higher res matters. I had a 16" 1080P Vaio F and it was the perfect size. I scale the 1080p on my Z slightly up just so text isn't so small.

The panel on my Z is in the top 3 of all laptop panels on the market. I believe one of the super-high end Business Dell laptops beats it in color accuracy, but 99.9% of laptops today don't even fill sRGB let alone adobe.

Regarding the GPU in the dock, I don't have a dock and I don't miss it. I don't want a laptop with a dGPU as it adds way more bulk and kills battery life and portability more than it is worth. As I said above, integrated graphics are more than good enough for pretty much anything other than gaming these days. Yes, the HD 5xxx aren't great, but neither are the 4xxx. My next laptop will have the 4558U with Iris graphics which are great (I've seen some benchmarks of it beating or tying the 735m, so why would I want that?) and way better than HD 5xxx.

Anyways, yes the Z is a better machine, but you can't necessarily say they can't be compared due to cost. My Z3 MSRP was like ~$2200, and the post I was replying to when I compared it to the Flip was claiming price points for the higher-end Flips of $1500-2000 or more. I said that I found this ridiculous given the low-end specs and I didn't see why anyone would pay $2000 for a Flip. Given that this was the context, yes it makes perfect sense to compare the Z and the Flip.

Anyways, I'd challenge your assumption that there is a 15W envelope. As I said, my computer has 35W proc and is way smaller, lighter, faster than the Flip with more hardware inside. There is no reason why a 28W proc couldn't be fit into a full-size computer given that my last-gen ultraportable has a 35W.

 

No, no, no. The dedicated GPU it is going to have is likely only marginally better than the integrated graphics in the 4558U, and may not even be faster at all despite draining battery life. Premium build quality? Is that a joke? It's their FIT line, I doubt it holds a candle to any of Sony's previous flagship made-in-Japan lines. And see my previous post about screen resolutions, quoting that is just silly. Yes, the hinge probably adds a couple hundred dollars to the price, but other than that I see a low-to-middling full-size laptop with absolutely no justification for a price above the Dell XPS 15 (500-1500 max). Maybe I'll feel differently once I see/use one in person, but that remains to be seen.

Yes, I'm sorry, you said $2000 and I said over $2000, but I don't see that much difference between $2000 and $2200.

 

2880x1600 with a 735m, they have to be joking!? There has to be some mistake! Are you sure it's the 735m? Is this official from Sony them selves? The past few years Sony has gone with the x40m and now with 2880x1600 they decide to go with the 735m!?

 

As far as I know the specific model of the card hasn't been officially announced yet, so we will have to wait and see exactly what they decide to put in there. Given that it's a ULV I wouldn't expect much, but I could easily be wrong about that.

 

Sony Europe Press Centre states it's gonna be NVIDIA 735m...

Sony - Setting the new standard in personal computing: VAIO® Fit multi-flip

 

Guess Sony's days of making high performance laptops is officially in the past....

 

Because the 640M LE was such a powerhouse? Or the 9300M in the Z1?

 

Well the 640M LE was a bit better than the 635M at least...

 

It's actually almost identical except for a bigger bus (128 vs 64). I don't know if the 735 will overclock as well as the 640 though.

 

So basically what you guys are complaining about is the graphics card and the processor? Right? I have two other questions: 1. How is the i7 processor on the highest model compared to other i7's as I have no idea what ULV is or anything like that? 2. Is the Nvidia graphics card good enough to play FIFA or Call of Duty or games like that at normal settings?

Thanks so much

PS. If it's a yes to both of these then I am definitely buying this device. Also you guys do know that the 15" model will weigh 4.6 ponds I believe?

 

Sony never made performance laptops, if you wanted a gaming device from sony, please direct your attention towards the playstation.

 

If it's built with S-class build quality, I think a price of over $1500 for a well-equipped Flip 15 is fair. If it's built with E-class materials (aka Fit materials), then perhaps $1000-$1200. It was very confusing at first whether the Flip range is part of the Fit range or a class above it. The price ranges I gave assumed the latter; but if this is part of the Fit range, then I think $1000-$1200 would be fair.

 

Actually there was a time when Sony had devices with x400/x600m cards in them like the AR/AW series. Even the more recent laptops like the F/S series had x40m cards.

 

Hi Everyone;

I am currently looking for a replacement for my (very) old vaio : VGN FW31ZJ (dont laugh ), it's seriously starting to be hard to work with
I am mostly using it for Multimedia professional use : Photoshop / Light Coding / Video Editing / Music Editing ...

Anyway been lurking on the vaio Z3 last year but didn't made the buy,
Now i am wondering and hesitating to go for the pro I7 8GB Ram ,
but since i have seen the FLIP 15A custom with I7 - 16RAM - Discrete GT 735 M i am definitly reconsidering the pro.

Anyway in your guys opinions will the Flip Give me a flawless work experience with PHotoshop editing sometimes huge files ?
Also considering iam using a very old cpu that is still working in most situation ( VGN FW boosted to 8 GB ram )...

Basically I just need a good workstation that could work 3+ years...and that have enough Horsepower to handle some demanding tasks...

 

Yes. My 6 year old Vaio FZ has a 8600M GS, it was a performance machine and it is still ticking after all the things I've done with it...

 

yes to what ?
yup mine has a HD 3650, Dual core - T9550 @ 2.66GHz

Actually haven't got no idea how to compare those with the new I7 ulv procs

 

Everything is fine, but unlike Yoga 2 the air vent of Flip is not at the rear side.

 

The GT 735M will be always cooler, even if it's pushed @ 80% and the GT750M @ 50%, because the die is just much smaller - with 64bit memory interface - and easier to cool

 

Why is it so hard to find an ultrabook with a 28W or 37W processor? This is beyond frustrating. Not everyone needs all-day battery life.

i7-4558U + GT 750M would be perfect for me. Hell, I probably don't even need the 750M with an Iris 5100.

 

I don't say you can't fit a 35W cpu in it, never said that, i said because of the TDP envelope the HD5000 isnt as fast as an HD4600, thats what i said,
the ULV CPU is rated at 15W TDP, so it doesnt matter if the cooling can handle 35W or just 5W, the CPU will do everything to keep it 15W, regardless of cooling.

And about downscaling windows, that doesnt exist.. If you have a higher resolution you either have more workspace or you work with the same workspace with 125/150/200% DPI settings and text will be still as sharp as native res. Higher resolution DO matter, it's just not everything, but I still havent found a bad 1440p/1800p panel

 

I mean, by definition you won't see an ultrabook with a 37W proc. They have to have the ULV. However, I'm as confused as you about why so few (hardly any) computers have been announced with the 28W Core i7-4558U, though. It would seem from our perspective that it would be a perfect balance between power, heat, and size for a portable laptop that still has decent power. I'd have to guess there must be some difficult technical considerations that we are not aware of because it still really surprises me that almost no one is using it in their machines.

Well, I'll admit I'm not 100% familiar with the way Windows handles scaling. And, I never said the ultra high res panels were BAD (they are still better than the vast majority, i.e. the current MacBook Air panel which is horrendous), most of them fill or come close to filling sRGB. But in general they are nowhere near as good as the Z panel.

I must admit I have several times in the past few years considered buying a Macbook but something has always stopped me. Other than the software, I mean; I really can't stand OSX but these days you can pretty much avoid it completely. Used to be the bad quality screens, now it's just portability and specs. Plus, I suppose I don't really want to be seen with an Apple computer in public (but that's psychological and I can deal). There always seem to be one or two things in the specs that just aren't quite right for me though. Current Retina 13" MBP is a bit too heavy for my taste (given what it costs and its power). But I do think I could live with the display.

 

Have you ever tried running something that pushes a machine to its limits? Try running the same thing on something with more power. Which one will heat up faster. I've tried this with my brothers and friends laptop playing a not so intensive game. Both played it fine, but the one with the lower specs heated up faster. The heat generated also depends on the cooling system used. I've used some low spec laptops that would burn you if you watch youtube at 720p on them for a few minuets. A 750M shouldn't be impossible in such a form factor and if they are going to use such a high res display that's what they should be offering. These specs are only good for web browsing, ms office and watching videos. Are a lot of people going to buy a laptop that costs as much as this does to only be able to do that? The Pro and Duo series have the same capabilities why buy this other than for it's bigger higher res screen, when those are lighter?

 

You can't just point to a spreadsheet to explain why a higher-spec laptop won't run as warm - most higher-performance laptops will also have better cooling to deal with the added heat of the higher-TDP components, and cooling isn't something you see on a spec sheet.

 

I have to give it to Sony, the have done an amazing job in these laptops, great and innovative design in a sleek package.
The screen looks gorgeous especially the qHD in the 15''.

But seriously if Ultra Low Voltage and the awful GT735M are the only options then Sony will be shooting themselves in their foot for another time.

This time is going to be even worst, because we are talking about a TRUE flagship device for the company.
This is a top of the line VAIO after a while, with the following high-end specs:
-Stunning IPS 1080p or higher touch displays
-Up to 16GB RAM
-Up to 512SSD drives
-NFC
-High Quality Sound system solution
-Aluminium cases with great Silver and Gun Metal color choices

all of the above with:

Ultra low Voltage Processors and GT735M

I mean if this is not the tech joke of the year then what it is?
At least for the 13'' and the 15'' models they should put options for regular i5 and i7 Haswell processors, for the 15'' NVIDIA GT740M (at least) or GT750M GPUs with 2GB DDR5 memory should also be available.

Sony needs to play its cards rights on this and they will easily have one of the best high-end laptops in the market.

 

Yeah, this is frustrating. The only option seems to be the hefty Asus UX301. I'd really like to keep my options open, but no dice so far. Only Asus is using the i7-4558U. (Personally, I don't want the 750M). Complaints about the lack of a full power unit are justifiable, but I'd consider the 4558U to be 'close enough' to full power. It runs at 2.8GHz up to 3.3GHz, with a decent GPU. I'd love to see a Z successor with a quad core, but it's not going to happen. The majority of the quad cores that Intel is making are 47W. That's simply too much to be dissipated by the thinner notebooks. They would have to go with the i7-4702MQ, which is 37W. If Sony could make a notebook that supported these two processors, they could appease the majority of their 'higher end' customers.

 

From Sony:

" VAIO® Fit multi-flip™ PC

everything you need in a VAIO®

A premium convertible laptop for an uncompromising computing experience"

Uncompromising computing experience!? A 735m paired with a ULV CPU hardly deliver a uncompromising computing experience imo. Sure it's a bit more powerful than an ultrabook but barely. I sure hope the specs for the 15" are better than this. I want something to replace my FZ and these specs don't cut it. Where is the good old Vaio F series that delivered good performance in a stylish well built form factor?

 

^ it's uncompromising for the Facebook generation, who loves loads of reflection and fingerprint on their monitors!

 

I do like that Zenbook, but it's too small for me, and you know it's gonna cost like a million dollars. I'm hoping that Lenovo's X1 3rd Gen, due for release in October, will have some power. Or maybe Dell will release a new XPS. So far this generation is off to a bad start.

 

I wouldn't hold my breath, none of Lenovo's X series Ultrabooks have ever had any power. And they just turned the 12" form factor (i.e. the new X240) into an Ultrabook too, I hear. Hope it's not time to write that line off as well... maybe they still have some surprises though.

 

This was really high on my shortlist until I saw the prices. Where does the premium come from compared to the supposedly $1100 (~EUR 835) 3200x1800, i5, 128Gb SSD, 4Gb RAM Yoga 2?

 

I really can't get where this thread is going ..


If you need a powerhouse device , then why would you concider portability in the first place .. ?
and why would you need a Quadcore CPU anyway .. ?

I don't think you need EXTREME portability while you will render something and willl keep the notebook on the table by itself rendering ....



Same goes for Gaming , this laptop has a Dedicated GPU , yet it is by all means NOT aimed for gamers ..
I mean since when has Sony provided Gaming notebooks .. ?


and the CRAZY thing I have not seen anyone talkin' about is the Digitizer .. !

HELL , I have not seen , and I mean I have NEVER seen ANY NOTEBOOK AT ALL using dedicated GPU with a Digitizer support ..
if you're not a Hardcore gamer , the 735m will indeed serve you well ..

and this is the performance of the VAIO FIT in gaming , though it uses the same ULV CPU with the same GPU :

" by the end of the page "

Review Sony Vaio SV-F15A1S2ES Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews


...


ah btw .. there is no integred GPU , and I mean NO WAY an integred GPU could match the power of the 735m ..

yes , It's TOO weak .. but integred GPU .. ?


..


about the digitizer .. if you talk about drawin' on a screen ..
the cheapest Wacom you could get is a 13 inch that MUST be connected to an electric source aswel as the notebook .. or else it won't work ..

Needless to say .. it will runs you 999$ , while it's an Accessory that's systemless .. meaning it won't work without a pc ..

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I don't mean the FLIP is PERFECT .. It indeed had to have Quadcore .. and there are a few flaws yes I admit ..
But complaining about something that was not meant to be achieved in the first place does not make any sense ..


Yet I'm not really satisfied with the performance of the 735m ..
but this indeed is in my list for the next Notebook .. the things it offers are just too RARE to be found together ..
and SO expensive when found seperate ..


sorry if I got a little bit rude .. and my bad English .. =)

regards ..