Vaio Flip: the Yoga hinge comes to Sony

The issue is Sony doesn't have a performance laptop in their line up, forget gaming, I'm talking performance. The F series was their performance model, the S replaced it and now this!? According to Intel their 5000 series integrated GPU should come pretty close to the 735M. All their line-up is focused on portability in different form factors. They have 3 13 inch models I believe. And portability doesn't mean you have to compromise in performance. I find it hard to believe they can't offer a non-ULV CPU and a 750M in the 15".

 

So the blame is to sony because they didn't offer a High end PC ..

Yet , if we talk about the Vaio flip .. I don't see what they're doing wrong ..


a Quad core will run HOT in most ocassions .. thus the 750m will even make it worse ..
the whole concept of the Vaio Flip HAVE to be so slim .. and so light .. that can't be wasted in Extra size for cooling ..

Yes , sony is in a wrong way and they should afford a High-End device ..
but it must not be the Vaio Flip ..


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about the HD 5000 , I really can't see how it could be on bar with the 735m ..

If we talk about dedicated GPU , then we are talkin' about Gaming .. Other tasks won't benefit from that as I know ..


the same link I provided before for the Vaio Fit with the 735m Performance here :

Review Sony Vaio SV-F15A1S2ES Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

and this is the performance of the HD 5000 according to NotebookCheck as a source .. :

Intel HD Graphics 5000 - NotebookCheck.net Tech


Keep in mind , the Vaio Fit comes with 1600x900 as lowest resolution , and the test unit at NotebookCheck was 1080p ..
also , in " LOW " Settings as I know NotebookCheck reduces the Quality .. but they rather not touch the Resolution ..


then again in Tomb Raider the 735m Doubled the performance in the Lowest settings .. and in Bioshock infinite it scores 63 against 38 for the HD 5000 ..

while keepin' in mind that the Sony Lowered the Volt of the GPU ..
all in all an integred intel GPU can not give any acceptable gaming experience yet ..




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I always wished Sony would make a premium beefy High-End gaming laptop ..
but .. sadly they don't .. and indeed I won't ONLY game on it .. I need a drawing solution ..

thus all comes in a nice package that's not super powerful , nor too weak ..



best regards ..

 

It won't necessarily run hot in most occasions if the thermals and cooling are done right. An example is the Razer Blade and that has a 765m. Sony could have put a 750m and it would have been fine. And good GPUs aren't only for gaming. I need a better CPU/GPU than what Sony has to offer for a lot of other things like video editing, 3d modeling, emulation, programming etc. If you only use your laptop for web browsing then fine, but I guess you won't be buying the full spec'ed model either, why would you need it? So who is the highest spec'ed model supposed to be aimed at? Fanboys!?

 

I am quite certain simply wanting a full-power dual core i5 or i7 in a laptop is not like some unreasonable request for ridiculous amounts of power in my laptop. Also, I'm glad you shared your opinion that integrated graphics couldn't beat a 735m, but you're wrong. Go look it up. They are on-par performance-wise with the IRIS 5xxx graphics. Anyways, yes, I do want a portable laptop with a decent amount of power, and I think that's perfectly reasonable given that they existed for the past 3-4 years. I have a Z with a quad-core, dual SSD, 8gb ram which is very portable at 2.6 pounds, and I'm not even asking for that... this is a FULL-SIZED LAPTOP for godsake. Putting full-sized parts in it should be the default, not some extra special thing we are asking for.

 

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You have a point here .. and I do respect that ..


I take my word back , yes an IRIS maybe more powerful than a 735m .. I should have Done more research .. ^^

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Overall the 735m is a low-range chip .. but It still offers a decent gaming capability that's more powerful than at least the HD 5000

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Yet , the Flip is in Overall not a high-end Device and I believe it didn't mean to be ..
It maybe Big , it maybe bulky enough as a FULL_SIZED LAPTOP ..

But It didn't mean to be the TOP GEAR guy ..


and I think it shouldn't be .

Sony's total vision this year isn't power sight , This is BAD and it Is unbalanced system for a FULL laptop line up ..

But it doesn't mean the Flip is a BAD Product ..



The blame should be On the variation ..
on the VAIO line up , I see many designs that all offers almost the same specs ..

at least , the Flip popped out with an integred graphic that offers fair gaming capability ..


thanks for the info .. ^^


Best regards ..

 

couple of years ago, SONY made VAIO Z1 with a full-power CPU, a relatively strong dedicated GPU, a super-fast SSD, the best 1080p TN panel in the world, AND an optical drive. it was very thin and light and a pure eye-candy in terms of looks. at that time, it was a marvel of engineering and industrial design which completely justified its price tag.

after a couple of years, SONY is making laptops with ULV CPUs, no dedicated GPUs, and no optical drive whose only selling points is the VAIO branding on the lid; they are charging the customers about the same premium for these laptops. they're just beautiful to look at but with nothing to separate them from the rest of the laptop crowd.

it seems the managers at SONY are extremely eager to waste all that talented engineers and industrial designers they have just to jump on the "touch ultrabook" and "hybrid laptop/tablet" bandwagon. no matter how i look at it, i just can't justify what they're doing.

 

The F-series wasn't exactly brutal performance, particulary given that it was as bulky as an Alienware. It only packed a 540M. I bought one and I still like it, but even when it was new it only had a midrange (at best) GPU. It's been a long time since Sony made anything that could be thought of as a mobile workstation. The Z wasn't it...despite the quad-core CPU, it was still aimed at portability first-and-foremost, not for crunching numbers for hours at a time. And with ULV processors being much better for everyday computing than they used to be, and with buyers being much more interested in battery life than they used to be, I can see why Sony is emphasizing Haswell ULV over full-voltage CPUs.

With mobile workstations for business becoming an increasingly small niche, and with the new Playstation 4 being Sony's gaming-oriented device, I can understand why they don't have anything that competes directly with the Thinkpad W-Series or the Alienware M14x.

 

I didn't mean the F specifically, but the Fx series, sorry for not being clear about that. I believe the FZ which I own was a better performer. Of course gaming laptops deliver the best performance but I would be happy with a Windows laptop that has good build quality, design and a non-ULV CPU and 750m GPU. No company I know of offers something to my satisfaction at the moment. I'm extremely pleased with how my FZ has performed but it is 6 years old now and does no longer meet my needs. Razer's Blade Pro is the only laptop on the market that comes close but is way to expensive.

 

It's only a matter of time until someone slaps a dedicated GPU into a portable all-in-one (the big slates like the VAIO Tap 21 and the Dell XPS 18). I think that's more likely to be seen than a return to big 17" GPU-equipped laptops. I think market interest in the big-high-performance-laptop segment, outside of gamers and business-class mobile workstations, just isn't there.

 

Like I've mentioned earlier and elsewhere - even people who have offered such machines (Panasonic in Japan with notebooks like the NX and SX) and Lenovo in their X series aren't even doing it. This isn't just Sony saying the market isn't there - the folks who traditionally do it are stopping. There is no Lenovo X Series tablet to replace the X230T - get a Helix or Yoga. The truth is for most people - including myself - ULV can do most things well. Even if I'm rendering videos in Camtasia or running VMs, it may be a bit slower t than a non-ULV, but today's ULV is not the same as when I first started using UMPCs and things like the VGN-U70P.

I do wish Sony would have an option for 16GB of memory, though. That's my major gripe. Even Lenovo is taking a HUGE step back with the X240 not only in terms of processor, but you max out at 8GB of memory. Lenovo has always has an X that went up to 16GB. The premium Panasonic Let's Notes in Japan I think are going to be some of the only sub-4lb notebooks (or sub-3lb ) that can take 16GB. I never thought I'd see Lenovo abandon that, but they have.

I don't see the point of debating this when the manufacturers are ALL sending a very clear message.

 

Iris 5200 is roughly on par with 640, so it is likely that 735 is noticeably better than 5100.

AnandTech | Intel Iris Pro 5200 Graphics Review: Core i7-4950HQ Tested

Also, Clevo W740SU -- which is the only laptop available with 5200 -- has subpar (less than 4 hours) battery life even with its relatively large battery and its lack of touchscreen. Using this CPU in 15inch Vaio Flip/Fit A would be disastrous in term of battery life unless it gets battery even larger than that of Razor Blade 14. We can also note that W740SU weight as much as 14inch Flip, even without its touchscreen and hinge mechanism.

Now, I know many people on this forum are "performance junkies", and I've seen the exact same response in Thinkpad T440s thread as well. But let's face it -- there aren't that many thin-and light laptops with full-power hardware in the recent generations, neither. Vaio Z, Vaio S, Retina MBP, ASUS UX51, and Razor Blade 14 are all I can think of. And it is unlikely that Vaio Flip will be as expensive as Z, rMBP, UX51, or Blade 14.

 

I think the digitizer is a really good combo with the fact the flip transforrm itself as a tablet,
should be a very neat way of working for graphics!

The only concern i see is the fact i've seen the N-Trig dont recognize the pressure on photoshop .
When will the Sony Vaio Duo (SVD11215CXB) digitize... - Page 2 - Sony Community

also Sony is apparently working on the case with Adobe for the Flip ...
So i guess wait & see !

other than that , i think this laptop should be a great model , innovative, and just hoping it will powerful enough to handle common working process :
Image / video / music editing, coding ....

Facebook like is working fine on my phone & tablet;
guess this laptop will be able to deliver a bit more indeed

 

Well, I guess we're just going to have to build one ourselves.

COMING SOON: Notebookreview.com's line of performance ultrabooks! Choose from either an i7-4558U 28W CPU with Iris 5100 integrated graphics, or i7-4702MQ 37W CPU with Nvidia GT 740M discrete graphics. Available in 13.3", 14.4", or 15.6". All models include a 1920x1080 IPS touchscreen and check in at 22mm thick, with the 13" and 14" versions weighing less than 4.0 pounds.

Seriously though, posters on every single manufacturer's board are asking for this. Why won't somebody just give it to us and take our damn money?

 

If someone did build his, people would complain non-stop about the fan noise in a quad-core CPU, dedicated GPU, thin-and-light laptop. I know this because it was a constant criticism of the 13" Vaio S...

It's not like Sony hasn't thought of the idea of selling this. It's that they decided they couldn't sell enough of 'em in the 2013 laptop market to make it profitable.

 

for an artist these sound very promising ..haswell ,long battery life lots of ram ,ssd .choice of 3 screen sizes ..just hope sony can work something out with adobe for pressure sensative in photoshop,if they can they are on to a winner being able to have the choice of 13.3inch 14inch and 15inch is a god send ...ive stated that i think the wacom companion are overpriced and i still stand by that ...one thing wacom has got correct for an artist is a matt screen ..glossy screens are hard to work with i find ..but everything sony are doin get me excited ,lets hope the price is fair

 

Woodgypsy mentioned the following powefull thin laptops: Vaio Z, Vaio S, Retina MBP, ASUS UX51, and Razor Blade 14. I agree, but we should soon add the Dell M3800. I have a VPCZ1 long on its teeth after coming from a Dell Latitude D830. My next machine will probably not be a Sony (at home we have now a Z1 and many S15) because Sony is abandoning that market segment. My next machine will probably be the new Dell M3800 or gasp the MBPr 15!. I wish Sony had a successor to the Z, or even better had an equivalent to the MBPr 15. It does not like the Flip will be that.

 

Yes, they are sending the message that they don't want my money, and I'll be sending them the message that they aren't getting it. Whichever manufacturer comes out with the first decently portable 4558 machine will make a killing.

I'm no expert on dGPUs as I neither want nor have one. I'm not looking for a gaming machine, I think we've seen the Alienware and Razer 14" machines so we know how portable those are. I also don't own any devices with Iris graphics, so I can only go on the benchmarks I've seen, so I apologize if my information was incorrect. Anyways, the proc you are talking about is a top of the line quad-core proc running at 47W. I was talking about the 28W 4558U which seems like a perfectly reasonable processor for a performance-minded ultraportable (like the X240 or Vaio Z). Unfortunately it seems like no manufacturer except ASUS is even planning to make a single device using this chip, which boggles my mind.

And further, these FLIPs aren't even ultraportable, they are basically a full-sized notebook. And Sony can't figure out how to put more than a 15W proc in them? I understand the PRO having it but having a 15" full-size notebook with a dGPU and its maximum processor is the same as the (underpowered) Pro and LESS than the ultraportable Duo? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I'm not surprised Sony's computer department is doing so poorly given that this is what they came out with. I could understand the Pro, even though it was not for me - sexy, thin, underpowered for me but fine for a lot of people (i.e. the target market) - but this is just ridiculous.

/agree, been watching the forums on the X240 and no one seems to be able to make sense of the fact that they basically crippled their flagship line. At this point it's slower than the X230 with half the RAM and all it has to show for it is a nicer screen. Seems like an extremely strange move for a business machine, especially given that it doesn't have a digitizer... in most instances I can't see how the screen would be good on a 'business' machine unless you were doing graphics, but without a digitizer no one will buy for graphics either, so it is hobbled for no reason. I really can't fathom what these manufacturers are thinking. Good thing my Z is still in very good shape... Sony now has 6 lines of computers and every single one uses a ULV mobile proc except for the L series desktops, which use the full-wattage mobile (?!?) processors, and last-gen to boot. Better than the Tap "desktops" which use ULV mobile procs I guess...

 

guys , there is already a thread on Sony abandoning 28/35 Watt quads in their notebook.
can we talk about flip notebooks in this thread?

 

Was that thread before or after the globally collapsed VAIO sales?

 

Is it just me who is really psyched for this computer? Been waiting for a hybrid like this for a long time. The only downside is the blank screen, but you cannot have it all. im gonna go for the 13", i7 4500, 8gb ram. gonna be fun to try out how helpful it can be in studies in its big tablet mode while reading pdfbooks and taking notes directly on a powerpointslide or pdf document. =D

 

May I ask, since I'm curious, for you what is the draw of this over the Duo? Personally I like the Duo better (more portable, faster proc) but I'm interested to hear what specific aspects of the Flip are getting people excited.

 

I like the Duo better myself, since it's more solid in tablet mode, but I think the biggest appeal of the Flip is that it offers no compromises over a traditional laptop of the same size and specs. Same size trackpad and keyboard, with some added functionality on the side. I think it's great for the typical buyer who's interested but also a little skeptical of convertible tablets, whereas the Duo is a great choice for those of us who are diving in head-first.

 

dGPUs have non-gaming uses as well. The parallel processing capabilities are being put to use in many programs (where they outshine conventional CPUs). In addition to 3D CAD (where a dGPU is practically a must) applications like graphics, math and simulation, video transcoding, etc. also benefit.

The Razer Blade 14" is heavier than a typical Z, firstly because it is aluminium, like the Macs and secondly because of the massive battery, which, unlike the Z, allows several hours of gaming on battery. But to say it is not portable is a bit harsh, in my opinion. Here are the specs:
Width: 13.6” / 345mm
Depth: 9.3" / 235mm
Height: 0.66"/ 16.8mm
Weight: 4.1 lbs / 1.88kg
See more at: Razer Blade: The World's Thinnest Gaming Laptop - Razer United States

The only other things not to like are:
1. the TN screen (Razer CEO explained why they chose that over IPS)
2. the 1600x900 resolution
3. the lack of ports - just 3 USB and 1 HDMI

Admittedly, some or all of the above are deal breakers for many people, but you have to give them kudos for putting together such an outstanding thermal solution. Full performance (on battery too) without throttling or overheating. It is a genuine desktop replacement.

No flip, but give them time. These guys are nuts.

 

Duo screen can be tilted only one angle. the screen isnt protected by a cover, due's small keyboard means coding would be a pain.
I want a laptop most of the time (for code,email,excel/remote desktop/ internet) and tablet some of the time on the couch / flight / train.

 

The Razer Blade 14 isn't portable? It's smaller and lighter than a Vaio S15.

Sent from my Galaxy S III using Tapatalk 2.

 

I don't like what they did with the Duo 13. I really wish Sony had continued with the optical track nub. I hate trackpads (outside of what Panasonic has done) and the one on the Pro 13 is crap. I still use the Duo 13 around the house, but I will admit the Pro 13 is more comfortable to type on. The Duo 11 keyboard is fine and to be honest, it's a great form factor for planes.

I originally bought the Duo 13 I'd use the pen more during presentations but I didn't, hence just getting a Pro 13. I agree with Mitlov that the Flip gives you the best of all worlds. So Sony has essentially three form factors: very pen friendly 100% of the time (Duo 13, Tap 11), traditional (Pro 11/13/old Fit), everything (Flip 13/14/15).

 

Have you ever actually used the Duo 11's trackpoint? Even if you like trackpoints in theory, this is one of the worst-executed ones I've ever used. I've fiddled with the settings forever and it's still infuriating to use. IMO it's the worst-executed element of the Duo 11.

 

I think it's well documented I own the Duo 11. And I've used the words "I wish Sony would put this on every laptop." I didn't have to fiddle with anything. It reminds me of the TrackStyk on the U70P. Brilliant. That TrackStyk was perfect. The Duo 11 with double tap can be weird, but I generally used the buttons for that due to the layout of things.

 

True, dGPUs can be used for a lot more than gaming. My problem isn't that they aren't useful, it's that if I'm not planning to game with it, the additional power/weight tradeoff is not worth it for me in a laptop that I will be carrying with me 24/7. Yes, I might use it sometimes, but I'd rather have a thinner and lighter and longer-lasting laptop than add the GPU for occasional use. And honestly, if they can put a GPU in I feel they ought to be able to instead put a higher-wattage CPU instead.

Right, and the S15 wasn't particularly portable either, although I think that about all 15" so it's hard to make a comparison between that and the 14" Blade. The volume of the S is 70% greater than the Blade. It seems like the jump from 13/14" to 15" isn't that much but when you look at the numbers it almost always is more than it seems.

I may have been thinking the Blade was slightly thicker and heavier than those specs posted above, but I was mostly referring to the Alienware 14" (whatever it is named now) with my post. I'll admit, those specs for the Blade don't sound too bad but given the heat issues I've heard about it's hard to say they truly succeeded. Yes, the Alienware is a lot thicker, but at least it has adequate cooling...

 

I didn't mean my post to have a snarky tone, but reading it again, it does. My apologies. And I don't keep track of who owns what on this forum.

Have you made any changes at all to the default settings for the trackpoint? I find that it oftentimes jerks off an icon right after I've rolled over to it...it's like the mere act of lifting my finger off the nubbin to click makes the cursor move an icon-width. It's worse for me than the worst PC trackpad I've ever used, and that's saying a lot.

 

The Alienware 14 is indeed a beast of a 14-incher. I don't have the specs right in front of me, but I think it's about twice as thick as the Blade, maybe even more.

 

I didn't take it as snarky. I genuinely love that optical trackpoint.

I'll have to look, but i don't think i changed anything. Mine doesn't drift. Guess I just work it in a way where my moving doesn't cause additional things to happen.

 

I've discovered that unfortunately the 11 inch model will have Celeron (and possibly a Bay Trail version), so no Z sucessor for now.


SONY VAIO FIT 11A MULTI-FLIP PC 11.6 POLLICI CON INTEL CELERON QUAD-CORE

(Google translate from Notebook Italia)

 

I'm also a big fan of the optical trackpoint on the Duo 11, though I think that's partly because it comes with physical left/right/middle buttons.

I set the acceleration to max and the pointer speed at ~75%. That way I can flick around the screen pretty quickly, without having the issue you talk about that the pointer jumps when you move your finger away from the pointer. I also turned off "tapping".

 

Yeah, aside from screen (too poor especially for its price) and battery life, Razor Blade is s pretty impressive laptop. (Alienware 14, on the other hand, is what I'd call an impressively stupid laptop -- what's the point of having small screen if it is so bulky anyway? Just get Samsung Series 7 instead -- but you cannot expect anything else from Alienware). Unlike other "gaming" laptop, you can probably take it to serious occasions without embarrassing yourself, too. It is battery life is less than desirable, though it is expected for its high idle power usage -- which is why you don't want quad-core, full-power CPUs in laptops that are meant to be portable.

I also think some of you have too high hope in i7-4558U. Remember that Iris 5000 is limited by TDP (that is why no one except Apple uses it, aside from customized Vaio Duo 13 which can use uTDP), where as 5200 is limited by bandwidth. Although 4558U has 13 extra watts to play with, it also has higher voltage CPU -- I am not sure if 5100 actually has enough juice to use its full power, especially when CPU is also under full load. And even if it can get enough power, it is still limited by its bandwidth (when some people complain about 64bit interface of 735.....). Theoretical peak frequency under turboboost are not that different between 4500 and 4558 -- obviously, 4558 is going to be faster in CPU-heavy applications, but the difference would not be very large. And for gaming, 4500 (with dGPU) with adequate cooling solution doesn't have to share power with its GPU, So, there are good reasons why many companies opted for 4500 with optional dGPU.

However, I'd love to see i7-4650 with uTDP options on 13/14 inch flips, though.

 

Here are some models and official specs with suggested prices for some European Models:

VAIO Fit 13A - SVF13N1L2ES
VAIO Fit 13A - SVF13N1Y9ES
VAIO Fit 15A - SVF15N1S2ES
VAIO Fit 15A - SVF15N1Z2EB

edit:
The promotional webpage is now up on Sony.de.
So far the letter U is next to every model's CPU and the only NVIDIA I see is the awful 735M. Both very bad news for me and my needs
Such an amazing design and innovation, qHD stunning screen, 512 SSD and 16GB RAM out of the box, with ULV CPU and so weak GPU.... Its a shame and pity especially for the 1500Euro/2000USD 15'' variant, especially when the current generation of VAIO Fit, available before the summer comes with NVIDIA 740M options.

I am crossing my fingers that some markets will get extra models, maybe customised options. They really have no excuses.

 

While looking at these pdf files I noticed that their address has a progressive number at the end, so by changing it I found the specs of the other Flips and of the Tap 11s. Here are the links and some observations:


Flip:

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264514
SVF13N1J2ES - Silver Flip 13 with i3, 4GB, 128GB. €1000

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264515
SVF13N1L2ES - Silver Flip 13 with i5, 8GB, 128GB. €1200

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264516
SVF13N1Y9ES - Silver Flip 13 with i7, 8GB, 256GB, Mini wifi router + HDMI to VGA. €1500

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264517
SVF15N1E2ES - Silver Flip 15 with Pentium 3556U, 4GB, 500+8GB. €800

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264518
SVF15N1L2ES - Silver Flip 15 with i5, 4GB, 500+8GB. €1000

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264519
SVF15N1S2ES - Silver Flip 15 with i5, 8GB, 1000+16GB, GT735M. €1200

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264520
SVF15N1X2EB - Black Flip 15 with Same as above + "Super Hi-Res" panel. €1300

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264521
SVF15N1Z2EB - Black Flip 15 with i7, 12GB, 1000+16GB, GT735M, "Super Hi-Res" panel. From the picture it sems to be the only 15 inch version provided with stylus. €1500

I hope there is also a black version of the Flip 13. Maybe by customizing it?


Tap 11:

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264522
SVT1121B2EW - White Tap 11 with Pentium 3560Y, 4GB, 128GB, GPS. Weight 0.78Kg, 9.9mm thick. €800

http://presscentre.sony.eu/ImageLibrary/DownloadMedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=264523
SVT1121W9EB - Black Tap 11 with i5 Y, 4GB, 128GB, GPS, 4G/LTE. Weight 0.83Kg, 10.5mm thick. €1200

It's interesting to see how the Core processor makes the black version a bit heavier and thicker.

 

Are there any 13-inchers with the digitiser?
(or can I reuse the Duo 13 digitiser)

EDIT: nvm to the first Q, clicked on the link and I see the flagship model has digitiser. Would be curious about second Q.

EDIT 2: Gewicht is blank. Boo.

 

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Kinda disappointing ..

€1200 for an i5 and a GT 735m .. ?

No thanks ..

 

All Flip 13 models have digitizer.
The preview models of Flip 13 and Flip 15 shown at IFA had the same DuoSense2 stylus as the Duo 13. I don't know if they will be changed in the final models.

Gewicht, I looked it up and it means weight, right? You could find that in the European press release:
Sony - Setting the new standard in personal computing: VAIO® Fit multi-flip

It seems the weight was just taken out, but I remember what was written there:
Flip 13: 1.2Kg
Flip 14: 1.8Kg
Flip 15: 2.0Kg

 

Cool, thanks. I didn't bother googling much, I thought the info will eventually come to me anyway

I might have to revisit the Flip 13 a while down the line. Not overjoyed with the Duo 13, as I said elsewhere - and the Flip seems to remedy (or at least introduce a different mode of potential problems with) one element I'm particularly unhappy with, the screen assembly.

Still, wishing that Samsung has an answer for these.

I guess it's kind of pointless wondering whether the Duo 13 pen will work on the Flip, since the moment I start using one pen for both I'll lose it I might as well think of it as having the inevitable spare.

 

I think given the fact that the weights are all either missing or removed it's quite possible that factor could change between now and release, so I wouldn't get too excited about any of the now-disappeared numbers... it definitely seems fishy that they were up and now are removed from everywhere, given that every single other spec is still there on those fact sheets.

 

Sony engineers have lost their minds. They charge a ridiculous amount for machines with mid-grade specs. I don't mind paying a premium for the best, but it needs to be the best. I cannot believe that they have gotten to the point that they do not have a single laptop available (to the US market) with a non-ULV processor. I understand that this is where the majority of the population is headed, but the majority does not cater to the entirety of the population. I would happily pay several thousand for a new machine from Sony if it were a Z series (or successor) with a current generation full-power CPU. I have been putting up with a crappy computer with an i3 as a temporary replacement for my daily computer for around 5 months now. I keep hoping a manufacturer will release something like the Z but with the Haswell lineup. I guess I'll be waiting for a while, and I'll bet I'll end up getting a new Lenovo X series before I get another Sony because of this. So frustrating!

 

Lenovo switched their 12.5" X line (X240) to ULV too. It's not just Sony, unfortunately... that was my backup plan too. Now there aren't many options.

 

Exactly how have they lost their minds?

As much as I'm not a fan of Sony these days, they still make the lightest machines in their category - these are ultraportables by any definition. Where their main machines are targeted hasn't changed over the years. Did anyone realistically expect to find a full-voltage processor on a TZ, or a flagship GPU on an SZ? And since when has Sony offered really high-spec GPU's on... well, anything?

 

I can understand the frustration of those that need full-voltage PCs, but I think the majority of consumers will be happy with low-voltage processors - they are just as fast as full voltage processors from a couple of years ago.

One thing that puts me off is that it looks like, from the videos, that the screen does not open to a particularly wide angle.

 

All I would like is for SONY to make a laptop (or "flip") version of VAIO DUO 13 (currently with CPU options that have HD5000, no noise, little heat)... is it that difficult to achieve?? :O

 

Er... isn't that what they've done with the Flip 13?

 

This may end up being the perfect ultrabook
I don't even need the convertible part, the specs are just perfect

 

That's fine, except I have one of those full-power procs (ivy bridge) and I want an upgrade, not a side- or down-grade. If I were to pay $1500-$2000 (or even more, $2500 for a Z-level device) on a new computer, it would have to actually be better than my current machine. I think a lot of people who didn't buy a computer in the last 12 months have full-voltage processors and they probably won't be very happy to spend a lot of money on a new, full-frame laptop only to find out it's slower than what they have already. The ULV procs make perfect sense on something like the Duo or the Pro as they are absolutely tiny and barely weigh anything, but in a full-sized laptop it's inexcusable and likely to be confusing for consumers who aren't super informed.

No, the spec options for the Flip are lower than the Duo options.