Can you still upgrade 7 to 10 for free?

I wouldn't even consider mac, I'm pretty sure they collect info on everything you do too .Might as well trust Microsoft to keep everything to themselves lol. Apple is no better imo, just most people using macs wouldn't really care as the system is more closed off hence the chance of the data leaking might be lower. Bah. I think we all should stop discussing which os is the least horrible cause there is no consensus. I'd say all os's suck stock. And tbh benchmarks are not representative of real usage for all those who use them for any sort of argumentation.

 

Spectre fixes are disabled by default on W7. There's no official SP2 but you can make one using SP1 Image w/ convenience rollup and latest cumulative hotfixes and Servicing stack updates. You can use Simplix update pack as well.

 

It's been soooooooo long since I installed W7, I forgot that SP1/SP2 as well as SP3 were released for Windows XP. I got confused because if you do a search for W7 SP1/SP2 it takes you to Microsoft's website but there were never any official service packs released for W7. MS just called them SP1 and SP2 and they are nothing more than security and quality rollouts over the years bundled into one patch.

I'm going to post the link for both W7 SP1 and SP2 and you might be able to tell me in MS speak, which one I need to download.

Edit: nvm I found SP1 which is KBKB3020369 and SP2 which is KB3125574
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ws-7-sp2/c2c7009f-3a10-4199-9c89-48e1e883051e

 

Again. Other options. NOT A MONOPOLY. How hard is it for you to understand? I will certainly NOT call it a monopoly when there is macOS, chrome and others. Please. Again, just because it’s the most popular does not mean it’s a monopoly.

 

Again you mind well call it a monopoly especially if you want do more than browse the internet.... Im not sure why you cant understand that. Are Mac OS, chrome and Linux are good options if you want to play games and/or do other extensive tasks? The answer is NO so you really dont have a choice but to go with a Windows PC if you want to do those tasks without any issues.

 

You can play games on MacOS, and Linux. Steam is developing SteamOS which is based on Linux. In fact 40% of my Steam library are games that are playable in Linux. And Linux games that are optimized for OpenGL in most cases run better vs it’s DirectX counterpart. People also play games on MacOS.

 

They're still not good options and i always been a fan of Linux and SteamOS and i wish them the best of luck. As much i dont like Windows 10 at least it wont have compatibility issues nor wont be a headache to get certain software & hardware working with it.

 

It may not be a good option for you but they are excellent options for those who own a Mac or exclusively run Linux. And if you went to the Steam Store the 10's of thousands of games on Steam you'd see a good percentage are now able to be played on MacOS or Linux and many of the NEWLY released games are able to be played on all three platforms on release date.

 

You're in luck scarface just uploaded newer much more optimized Win 7 SP2 Pro with July updates. Even boot.wim was updated to contain latest updates(July hotfix, updated setup.exe files etc...), NVMe and USB 3 drivers.
@Mr. Fox @Raiderman @Raidriar
Follow this link.
This might be the last version scarface and I(did June update) will make for W7. If support or work is discontined, copy the super tweaked boot.wim to stock Win 7 then inject only newer August or later cumulative updates and SSU to boot.wim's and extract or copy newer setup files from boot.wim index 2 or win setup.

I learnt it the hard way, Apple in fact tracks much more than Google and MSFT combined. They make it look pretty by saying or providing a UI saying "Share Analytics with Developer" and " Share with Apple to make things better".
People are flattered too easily nowadays. The bad thing is enhanced precision over collected location history, your uptime, restart times and RAM usage across apps, various timelines etc... Its just like a Apple-NSA/FBI surveillance device optimised for better selfies and photo-leaks.

 

I guess you really can’t fix stupid. It’s not a monopoly no matter how you try to spin it. Sorry. I can do anything on the other platforms. Again, and again, and again....just because it’s the most popular, or has the largest market share does NOT make it a monopoly.

 

In order for someone to prove that "a company" is a monopoly, first they have to prove it's harmful to the consumer. So we have to look at other examples first. Can Google or Facebook be viewed as a monopoly? Quite possibly and there are growing calls to Congress for the Government to look into both these companies because they are now engaging in practices where they are both deciding what type of speech is considered by them to be acceptable. If you are a conservative or anti-establishment i.e. right of center you might have a problem getting exposure by both these companies. Many conservatives are complaining they are being shutout of the debate process by Google and Facebook.

Apple is another company that is facing investigations over their App Store practices as anti-competitive for developers and essentially the consumer.

So one by definition would have to ask, is Microsoft engaging in practices that are harmful to the consumer? Can one make the case that Microsoft is a monopoly by means of anti-competitive practices that are harmful to the consumer? Any court would have to struggle with the notion that today that would be the case because Microsoft is no longer in the business of selling it's operating system known as the Windows platform. Instead it is essentially now a free product. Sure you could buy it but why when it's now free. So the courts would have to decide how a free product, where the consumer has the choice to use their product with no out of pocket costs is harmful to them, with no complaints from consumers. You would have a tough time doing so.

Windows now more than ever, is so easy to switch defaults that pursuing monopolistic practices against Microsoft would be almost impossible. Back in the 90's they got hammered for trying to put Netscape out of business over the use of Internet Explorer and today Microsoft Edge is based on Google's Chromium webkit.

 

Nice namecalling there....

I'll explain it in simple terms Mac's cant complete with Windows when it comes to Desktop/Laptops PCs and Linux dont count because its free, Again you mind well call it a monopoly for obvious reasons, No Competition to be exact. Currently theres no better options than Windows unless a miracle happens with SteamOS.

 

But so is Windows 10, it's now free. You can do pretty much everything on a Mac and in some cases more for Mac centric software than you can in Windows. On all three platforms you can browse the Web, check email, write notes, create word documents, spreadsheets and presentations. You can also watch videos and you can store and listen to your music on all three platforms.

Wrt gaming, Microsoft and PC's are NO longer in a dominant position. Those days are long gone. The primary platform for playing games for the last 15 yrs are home videogame consoles and Sony continues to dominate with their Playstation line. PC gaming nowadays is such an afterthought that PC games are no longer sold at retail. That's now where you find console videogames for sale. Microsoft tried to compete with Steam with GFWL (Games For Windows Live) and shutdown the service, they lost.

So Microsoft no longer dominates the PC market, it's been carved up for the last 10 yrs with MacOS and Linux. I used to be an avid PC gamer since the early 90's and now 85-95% of the games I play are now on consoles.

Not counting Windows 7/Windows 8/Windows8.1 as they have been given an EOL by Microsoft, the gap between Windows 10/Linux and MacOS is not what anyone would call dominant by the once mighty Microsoft. Those days are now long gone. There are too many options and essentially Microsoft threw in the towel with Windows by turning it into a service i.e. giving it away for free. And even with the free part the gap between the other two OS' is not something Microsoft can hang it's hat on.

 

So just buy a chassis, Power supply, MB and the rest then get that “free” Win 10 license from Micro$lope ? Why should I get Home Edition if you can get the Pro version for same price (free) ? Something here I have missed? Buy a cheap Win 10 license key at Kinguin is idiocy if I can get it “free” from the mothership of this crippled OS!

 

Explaining it many times different ways does not make you right. And no, I mind not calling it something IT'S NOT.

 

Or even better you can take several 10-12 yr old laptops and upgrade the licenses to a W10 Pro license for free

 

Exactly what I just did with my sons acer s3. (hence the topic of this thread). I used win7, and upgraded him legally to 10. I also did the same with my acer 7720. it was running vista when I bought it, and now it's running 10.

 

Wow because Vista was not an upgrade path to W10 so that says Microsoft just wants everyone on W10. I also read that Microsoft basically said, unless you swap out the motherboard it would not require a reactivation. That's how much they have relaxed the licensing of W10.

 

I was thinking the same thing but then again thats how badly Microsoft wants everyone to use Windows 10. Maybe its possible for XP users to upgrade to Windows 10 too but i highly doubt it.

 

Sorry, I went from VISTA to 7 to 10. Just making a point that a laptop that was shipped with vista is capable and comfortable running 10.

 

It sure is, in fact a laptop that shipped with Windows XP is capable of running Windows 10. I should know as I have several of these laptops still going strong. Prior to switching my ThinkPad T60 to Linux Mint, it was comfortably running Windows 10 x64 with 3GB of memory and that is a 13 yr old laptop.

 

I swapped the motherboard in my pc from asus z370 prime a to gigabyte z390 aorus pro. Windows installation lived, albeit I was welcomed with a watermark 2 days after the swap which I solved quickly by re-entering the key and clicking that I swapped parts. Activated within minutes again, reusing the same 15 euro OEM cheap key. Still fine several months later.

 

Just one of many reasons why windows based systems are better than mac. after 5 years apple decides for you, you need to upgrade your hardware. Microsoft however, says as long as the device is serving you well, keep trucking ahead. I am on the latest version of 10 on my 12 year old acer. Yes, it's slower than my new dell, but, it still is completely up to date, usable, and pretty quick. Unlike my 2007 macbook that is now a paperweight because 1. apple no longer suppports it, 2. i cannot upgrade to a more modern version of MacOS on it, 3. because apple does not support it, modern browsers like chrome or updated safari do not run on it. So really, my newer macbook, that cost 2 times the amount as my acer, is garbage, and my acer is still running perfectly fine. Here in lies my beef with apple. Oh, and the fact they still wont create a full touch mac system.

 

I know Windows 10 will work for some older Windows laptop. In my Dell 1525 upgraded to T8100 and 4g RAM allowed it to run Windows 10 but I suspected even with the original CPU would run Windows 10x64 Pro 1803.

 

Same with me. I own a 2012 Mac Mini and recently I found out that my Mac Mini made the cut for MacOS 10.15 Catalina. I was surprised as I thought the cutoff would have been 7 yrs and Mojave would have been it. So I have another reprieve knowing it will take my Mac Mini out another 3-4 yrs worth of security updates if it never sees another OS update.

While there are some that like to get lathered up on popular Mac sites to trash anything that's not sold by Apple. I find it amusing how a 12-13 yr old Windows based laptop with half the RAM can boot and run faster than my 2012 Mac Mini. I had to keep it on High Sierra as running a 2012 Mac Mini on Mojave with 8GB of RAM is too frustrating. So I may have to look at buying an internal SSD drive if I want to install Catalina. I refuse to pay Apple's obscene prices for a totally GIMPED 2018 Mac Mini with 128GB of soldered SSD. I'm thru playing their up sell marketing games.

I have even run W10 on an aging Dell laptop with 2GB of RAM and a T7200 CPU and it still gets the job done. It's no better or worse in performance than my 2012 Mac Mini with 8GB of RAM.

 

Macbooks have always been overpriced junk. I know this might piss off the Apple fans but they've a higher failure rate than Windows PCs. Plus whatever upgrade you want to do you can forget about it since almost every component is soldiered on the motherboard and dont get me started on how much repairing one will cost...

As long it has a 64bit CPU and at least 4GBs of RAM it'll be fine but i like i said before you might run into driver issues if theres isnt an updated driver that'll work on Windows 10 but its a small possibility. Also replace the HDD with an SSD you'll pretty much revive any old laptop.

 

These days its true because Windows laptops are cheap and easy to upgrade with loads of RAM and a NVMe drive to trump JokeBook Pros.
I always get the weird faces on Apple Mac users when I say they are overpriced junks. Mac users often refute my statements because I'm poor to afford the luxury and they say I'm envied with faster performing jokebooks and luxury. In reality, my laptops costs higher than Macs but these days I just smile at them and they grin at me!

 

JokeBook Pros = Shiny Toys. They are overpriced, poorly designed ON PURPOSE so you have to turn to the fruit GOD if you need repairs. Why should I have to pay hundreds of dollars if my keyboard needs replacing because it requires extensive disassembly thanks to Jony Ive who just wants to make everything thinner? Or why should I have to pay hundreds of dollars in repairs if the $3-5 display flex cable breaks and it requires a new display?

You or anyone else shouldn't have to shell out that kind of money when it could have been avoided. It's why I decided not to buy another Mac Mini (2018) because it requires major disassembly to upgrade the RAM and the SSD storage is soldered to the motherboard. Instead I went with a Lenovo for a 1/3 the price with nearly, almost identical specs $999 vs $398. And the Lenovo comes apart in less than a minute and you can upgrade using standard parts the M2 Storage card, RAM or add a second drive all within 5-10 minutes if you decided to do all three.

People are catching on to Apple's practices although their fanbase still has not caught on although you are hearing more and more grumblings from their loyal base. Which is a bad sign for Apple because one day all of those expensive stores in some of the world's major cities will become a noose around Apple's neck as sales continue to decline.

 

Want the new cheap Jony Ive wouldn't accept coming from Apple and his own hands?


New cheaper MacBook Air found to have cheaper gimped SSD

But but Apple will now offer you cheaper fruity Jokebooks now. Want one? And you get the Apple OS on top Almost for free!

 

On a side note to everyone claiming their apple stuff are ancient and no longer supported... I read the other day that it's possible to install windows 10 on some macbooks... It sounded a lot more involved than a normal laptop's installation and drivers might prove to be difficult to find, but well... Might be something to look into - though I only found posts instructing on how to create apple/windows dual boot rather than converting it to windows completely. I never had any apple products in my whole life though so I can't care. I can have much better performance for the same price if I look elsewhere, so why even bother with apple.

 

It could be OLC SSD or some older stock to be cleared off from year 2012.

 

No go. Apple does not support older macbook running new versions of windows. Only the current version in the year the device was produced. So my 2007 macbook can only install Vista. And agreed. Why bother with apple for desktop usage. I bought mine when Microsoft decided to not support my 1020 anymore. Dumb move and wasted money.

 

Is it possible to upgrade Vista to Windows 10?

That's why it's a bad idea buying from the same company when they control both the hardware and software. At least with Microsoft, if you buy a laptop from them, you can feel confident you'll get support if they were to introduce a totally new OS because that OS would have to work on older hardware or people would wouldn't feel the urge to dump their computers and have to buy something totally new.

With Apple, their silent strategy is we'll gladly sell you a new shiny box after we either slowdown your computer or we no longer give you another OS. And the other problem with MacOS is if you don't get further support Safari and any other web browser is essentially trash because Apple forces Google, Firefox etc to use their webkit. So when websites upgrade and Safari doesn't it makes using any browser on MacOS a PITA because it becomes incompatible with your aging OS.

I had reverted back to Mountain Lion just for speed and using Safari became a joke because most of the websites I visited didn't work properly. Installing another browser wasn't much better.

Really the only way is to install Linux on an unsupported Mac because you'll at least get software updates from Canonical.

 

This is the reason iOS isn't the 2nd but 3rd place after Linux. If they weren't so stuck on their iOS blocking freedom of user choice that would do more to help. Also iOS user don't talk about security it has had some very big holes blown through this so that isn't a talking point anymore.

 

Those users tend to give Apple a pass on security and even make excuses for mistakes because they believe and view the Fruit Loop company like Bill O'Reilly "just looking out for the folks". And Apple needs gullible customers or else they couldn't sell them overpriced and unreliable tech toys and shiny computers.

 

I believe my privacy is more valuable than a free spyware

Also need to turn off fast boot on win 10 or use hibernation start-up time for win 7 for fair comparison

 

By default, its disabled on my debloated Win 10.

 

lightweightness, efficiency, and privacy under windows 10 is just like democracy and freedom of speech in North Korea. They never existed imo. Maybe this is not a fair comparison cos DPRK has a leader who's currently trying to make the country better

 

@Rodster



Very interesting results

 

I'm not that surprised by those results. I always thought DirectX was trash vs OpenGL. Windows 10 is slowed down massively because of Spectre and Meltdown. But the key to Linux becoming mainstream is gaming. It's exactly what made Windows mainstream back in the late 80's to late 90's. Users who were not into Lotus 1-2-3 or Word Perfect found using a PC fun to play games like Microsoft Flight Simulator, Links Golf, Wolfenstein and Doom. That turned PC's and Windows into mainstream products.

If Linux can do the same, then I have no doubt Linux will take off and become mainstream like MacOS and Windows. But as the presenter said, Linux is not there yet as it still requires a lot of tweaking and people just want to play the game and let the operating system do it's thing. They don't want a 2019 version of Dr.-DOS or MS-DOS. Linux still requires tweaking and compiling to get the games running efficiently and that's something a novice user or as the presenter said "grandma" is not going to do.

Linux has gotten better and credit due to Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical for steering the ship and wanting to make the Terminal or command line interface CLI a thing of the past.

 

I have used both mint and elementary. Both are OK, but not there yet. That being said, if I had to choose between macos and Linux, Linux all the way.

 

Mint by far is the absolute BEST choice if you want to jump from Windows and dip your toes in the Linux world. That said Ubuntu is the best as far as stability because Mint uses Ubuntu as it's base and if I read correctly, Mint 19.2 "Tina" is based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

 

There's Pop OS for bleeding edge SW and gaming on Linux w/ Ubuntu/Debian base.

 

I think this thread is no longer about upgrading from win 7 to 10. I'd suggest you guys create a new thread that is relevant if you wanna continue....

 

Heck, I'll use them all when doing so is to my advantage. No need for anyone to be bashful. We all have our personal favorites, but each OS offers something worth exploiting. Choices are always nice to have. Our "friends" at Micro$lop don't behave as though they agree with that, but that's OK. We don't have to care what they think to have it our way.

 

I have an old dell xps 8100 desktop that was bought back in 2010 or so that still uses windows 7. I rarely if ever use that desktop ever. Could i still upgrade it to windows 10? That desktop was bought directly from dell years ago. I don't have access to the desktop now but i know there is a sticker on the desktop where it shows the product key.

 

Probably so. If you rarely ever use it, probably not worth doing since Windows 10 is inferior.

Sounds like an even better candidate for Linux. Since you are not using it a lot, you probably don't need to do anything on it that requires Windows. Web browsing, email and basic word processing, etc. works just as well on Linux as it does on Windows.

If you are concerned about "security" and that is why you are considering Windows 10, Linux will be more secure than Windows 10. Linux Mint should work fantastic on it.

 

You mean windows 10 inferior to windows 7?


Is linux free to install? Is process easy to do it? How long does it take? I currently have a chromebook with me at the moment. My dell desktop is not with me at the moment. Would you suggest installing linux on chromebook or not? So if i do, i have option to use either chromebook or linux?

 

Yes, in my opinion, Windows 7 is a superior product overall than Windows 10. (You either love or hate Windows 10 and there is not much middle ground.)

Linux is very easy to install, but it can be intimidating if you have never done it in the same way doing a clean install of Windows can be if you have never done it. It installs about as fast was Windows. It sometimes requires more tinkering. It's great if you like that kind of thing. If you are looking for something that requires no great amount of thought or effort, Windows is a little easier. Because your Dell desktop is older (not super crazy old, but not cutting edge,) there is a really good chance Linux will be extremely easy to install and require little or no extra tweaking. Linux Mint with Cinnamon desktop environment is an easy and user-friendly distro geared toward people moving from Windows to Linux. The Mint UI (desktop environment) has many similarities to Windows. Ubuntu is also easy, but the UI (Unity desktop environment) is not like Windows. Some love Unity and others do not care for it. (Linux Mint is built on Ubuntu.) Some other distros are not noob friendly like Ubunty/Linux Mint.

I have never installed Linux on a Chromebook. Since most have very limited flash memory, that might not be as good as leaving it running Chrome OS. Chrome OS probably requires less in terms of system resources than what Linux needs to run well. Most Chromebooks are fairly anemic in terms of specs, with limited RAM, storage and processing power.

I have run Chrome OS on a PC with system resources and specs that far exceed anything you would find on a Chromebook, but I have never owned a Chromebook, so you would have to get advice on this from someone with more knowledge than I have on the subject of Chromebooks to get sound guidance on whether or not running a full-featured Linux distro on it will be a good experience. There are stripped down versions of Linux that might run well on a Chromebook, but they may be lacking in terms of features that you appreciate with Chrome OS.

 

Hi. Yes chromebook is limited in many things. There is only 32gb but its less because of the OS. Also the ram is less etc.


But how much space does linux take up? So it takes up more space on a windows computer than chromebook? Or same?


Linux is free correct?