How many Vista users plan to ignore Windows 7?

Well, like I said...I'm not sure either is going to happen now. We'll see. I was hoping for a technet release as well. My renewal is coming up and I am debating as to whether I will renew.

Last years SP1 fiasco is still leaving a bad taste in my mouth and I am not sure there is any compelling reason to update at the moment.

 

Well, you'd have to think that Windows 7 final will be released within 12 months, so that's probably a decent enough reason to renew. I renewed mine this year specifically for Server 2008. It expires in June, but I suppose that it's too much to hope that the final Windows 7 release will appear before then.

 

I specifically got Technet this year for Server 2008 too. Mine is up in August I think, so hopefully Win 7 will be RTM by then. Even so I'll probably renew.

 

You know, if you let it lapse long enough they start calling and offering you better and better deals. I think I got mine for $19.99 plus a free toaster oven.

Well I might be lying about that, but they really do start offering better deals. I wish the full version with all of the DVD's was cheaper. I really liked getting all of the DVD's. But the price premium over the download-only package is just too much.

 

I just have Technet Direct, I don't mind having to burn my own discs. In my research before I bought it, I found they often have deals where they offer it for $99. I'd like to catch one of those if possible.

 

Windows 7 is tentatively planned for 3rd quarter release--somewhere in July - September, so if you expire in August you might hit it.

But, given MS track record, I think 4th quarter is more realistic.

As for renewal--right now they are offering me $249 and I expire Mid-January.

If I don't see a windows 7 release by then, I won't renew. Haven't used a tech support incident yet, and while i like the newsgroup response, my primary reasoning is to stay up on software so I can support it properly.

Right now, they don't have anything coming down the pike I am not up to date on except Windows 7 so....

 

^^^ I hope it comes sooner rather than later. I'm really excited about it.

With that said, however, I think that I might decide to wait for SP1.

 

He regurgitates this support thing regularly since it's his only argument, despite MS's support page very clearly stating that the dates they give are merely based on market trends and are very subject to change. He also ignores the fact that they still release security updates for stuff like Windows 2000 which is due in no small part to these trends.

But to him it was typed on a web page and therefore is chiseled in stone and unchangeable.

 

I personally am STOKED for Win7.

So far, it sounds like it's going to be the best Windows yet.

 

It actually does.

 

I am looking forward to the public beta and will probably buy this OS later on

 

I may grab the beta once it officially hits.

 

Funny question, because I'm using XP and plan to ignore Vista and go directly to Windows 7; I would've assumed a lot of people were on the same boat.

 

I'll jump on it as soon as VMWare Workstaion is updated to officially support Windows 7 as a host machine. Then I'll convert my main rig into a virtual machine using VMWare Converter so I can get the best of both worlds: My Vista setup for software development, and Windows 7 for everything else. Eventually I'll migrate all my tools and software to the Windows 7 side.

On my laptop I will jump immediately on getting Windows 7 since it offers much better performance than Vista did. My laptop serves as a proving grounds for some of the software I run .

 

After Vista SP1 hit the scene, many people have reported positive experiences with it. Jumping to 7 isn't as justifiable for the Vista users that are happy with it as it now works very good. But for XP users such as yourself, the need is incredibly justified as you'll gain a lot of security and performance improvements, plus better integration with hardware.

 

I have been using W7 for some time now and...is Vista Reloaded. At the moment, the improvements are barely noticeable. You have to be a hardcore Vista badass to recognise the changes in W7. UAC? Is flexible on W7 but I got used to it on Vista and when I use XP i wait for the popup window .

Already in the beta stage, creative has no support. My EX54 card has no options in W7. It installs okay and sounds like a trashcan. It was like this when I tried Vista for the first time with my Audigy Platnimum. As I said in the other W7 thread...Creative has more features on Vista than on W7 .


Microsoft screwed up. Vista should have been W7.

 

until SP1 comes out for Windows 7, i'm holding on to Vista. (i didn't bite on Vista until SP1, either.)

early reports everywhere are incredibly positive -- which is excellent. that said, Vista x64 has been really good to me so far. (mind you, i have 6GB of ram, a fat video card, etc. so everything is smooth as butter, and hella fast.) i use Vista in a production environment with absolutely no complaints. if Windows 7 is an improvement, so much the better! SP1 should be out mid 2010?

besides releasing a properly finished, properly-tested OS, MS needs to avoid the massive marketing blunders behind Vista. there are so many great things about Vista that i never even heard about until i started using it -- because of those MAC/PC commercials i was expecting a complete POS.

and that neg hype *keeps* spreading, and it ain't going away. it's too late to redeem Vista in the public's eyes. met a gamer dude yesterday who INSISTS that Vista is crap, despite never even using it.

no way can they let Apple hit them square in the nuts like that again.

 

Hi.

If you have Vista , do you have to pay for Windows 7 when it is finally released.

Regards

John.

 

Well, Windows 7 really is pretty much Vista R2. This isn't an indictment of Windows 7 or anything, but it's not really a "new" OS. It's Vista. It even has a Windows version number of 6.1. It's almost like The Mojave Experiment being played out in public.

For kicks, take a look at the Readme.rtf file in the Sources folder on the Windows 7 Beta DVD. It contains OS installation information...for Windows Vista!

I'm liking "Windows7" so far. But really, it's Vista refreshed and given a new name.

 

Yes you do.

 

I definitely will upgrade from vista. I loved vista, and so far I am loving win 7 even more. It is vista perfected.

 

Hi.

Well, long live Vista is all i can SAY!

Windows 7 another flop for Microsoft.

John.

 

Why would you think it would be free? Most likely they will roll out a program like they did for Vista where if you bought XP between X and Y you got a coupon for free Vista. Otherwise, it isn't going to be free.

 

Hi.

With NBR exploding with Windows7 this and Windows7 that, I though Microsoft might have given something free back for a change!

John.

 

You can use the beta free. That's why so many people are using it.

 

Hi.

Looks like i am in the right thread after all as i will just IGNORE it then.

John.

 

I will ignore the Beta as the transition from Beta -> release may not be smooth if even possible. Dont feel like using my work computer as a guinea pig anyway.

 

Hi.

I just checked an Vista was "On January 30, 2007, it was released worldwide" , so it`s not even 2 years old yet

With the global decline, people are not going to want to upgrade or afford it.

John.

 

<3 being in college. Get it for free

 

I've already switched to Win7 for good... deleted Vista and Ubuntu. It runs much faster than Vista and I haven't encountered any major compatibility/ stability issues so far.

 

Well, since I have used windows 7, and it is actually slower than Vista Sp1 for me, and the new features don't seem worthwhile, I will be skipping unless I buy a PC/Laptop that comes with it preinstalled.

 

Doh just realized another reason I can't switch yet. Ultramon doesnt work right in Windows 7. I can't live without Ultramon :S

 

I will upgrade. The sad thing about Vista is right when it is starting to caught on it time to install Windows 7.

So by the time Windows 7 catches on Windows 8 will be here.

 

I've ignored Vista and use Windows 7 I can't really say anything positive that hasn't already been said here. Win7 is the best OS I've ever used, hands down.

 

I'm happy with Vista Business which was pre-installed on my laptop, and I don't think I'll be upgrading/moving to Windows 7 untill I either get a new notebook or it's the year of 2011. A friend of mine is testing 7 Beta at the moment and asking me to give it a shot, but honestly I don't want, too risky to have a beta as a main OS for I don't like dual-boot, I like to have a certain thing stable that simply works and does what I need and currently Vista suits for that very well. So I'm not looking at Win7 for the next few years even if it gets SP1.

 

I've been using the Windows 7 beta for the past few days & I've gotta be honest, I absolutely love the OS. About Vista, while it may not have stability issues it requires a decently spec'd computer to run smooth (especially if you run Aero) & un-sluggish. On my notebook I had to upgrade to 4GB RAM for Vista & now it works decent (without Aero) but when I booted up into Windows 7 I didn't need to disable Aero & it worked even more quicker/snappier than Windows Vista does without Aero. Vista was a very good OS but since notebooks aren't exactly top of the line when you pay $600 your not going to be able to run it very well in terms of performance. That was the main problem with Windows Vista; notebooks aren't as well spec'd as desktops and since notebook sales have been increasing for the past few years people that bought budget notebooks were frustrated at not being able to run Windows Vista as fast as XP used to run on their older computer. Now these were the people that started the whole "Vista sux!" bs & I don't know about $600 notebooks now but when I bought my notebook (august 07) Vista was way beyond what the hardware could handle. SP1 definitely helped close that gap.
Is there anything wrong with Windows Vista besides what I just stated? Absolutely not. But once "Vista sux!" starts to spread by word of mouth all around the globe there is pretty much nothing you can do to change that perception besides release a new product; Windows 7. Let us also not forget the ridiculously stupid Mac/PC ads that've caught the eyes of so many people out there. I don't dislike Macs, don't be hating on me but there ads are kinda silly & make me wonder how people actually fall for stuff like that. In the UK many Apple ads have been taken down due to "false advertising". To ME, it definitely shows how much a company can be trusted when stuff like that happens but that is just to ME, I speak for no-one else.

As for your question, if I stick with this notebook then I'll probably upgrade to Windows 7 relatively soon basically because even the beta version seems to perform a lot better on my notebook, I can't even imagine how much better the final product could be (in terms of being refined up). I do think "most" OS errors are operator errors so stability is not really a question for me as I tend to be able to use an OS with hardly any crashes.

 

Yeah real smart, ignore an operating system because the BETA VERSION was slower than the SP1 of the operating system before it. I mean, if that isn't great logic, I don't know what it is.

This thread just annoys me, sorry for being a jerkoff.

You guys don't want to use Windows 7? Fine, you're loss, trust me, not mine.

 

I have windows 7 64bit on 2 laptops, one with and SSD drive and the other with raid0. So far only a few issues with drivers but it is a beta, stability so far is not bad and it is a little snappier then Vista in some cases. I will buy it when It goes on sale based on what I have seen so far.

 

You're absolutely correct. Vista is now seen (and will surely be remembered) as a lousy OS and a major failure. While it may well be a major failure from a PR perspective, it certainly isn't a lousy OS. But as you say, public perception is nearly impossible to alter. Hence, "Windows 7." Wink, wink.

Whether this OS fares any better remains to be seen. We're all gushing over it now in it's pristine form but as was noted in that other thread about crapware, who knows what sort of "experience" that HP, Sony, Toshiba, and the rest will provide after they gum it all up with their customized installs. Some of these vendors have a particular knack for turning Jessica Alba into Rosie.

 

Do you work for Microsoft, because you are taking this way too personal. People should not be forced to use something they don't want to. If he's happy with his OS then good for him. I'm perfectly happy with XP Pro so there.

 

The more I use W7 the more I realise it is robbery. Vista users are being cheated....

 

You may be right. Though it does "seem" smoother on my system, it does not boot or shut down any faster than Vista 64, lacks driver and software support, at least on my system for now, and really is what Vista SP2beta should be.

The GUI is Vista with a couple of additional features. I liken the differences between Vista and W7 to that of XP2-XP3 as far as performance and feature changes are concerned.

 

Cheated how? I don't really get this.

Either:

1. There's little difference between Vista and 7, or...

2. Windows 7 has a lot more to offer.

If (1), then just skip Windows 7 and stay with Vista. You're not missing much, right? If (2), then the benefits of the new OS justify the cost of the upgrade.

Not sure how you'll be getting cheated, particularly since it's completely your choice to make.

 

Paradoxically, its a bit of both. There are fewer added features per se but a lot more to offer in terms of performance (start-up times, energy efficiencies, etc)

 

Best line ever. That's exactly what it is.

 

I loved Win 98 SE. Ran a ME machine for years, now I am on XP which I went to kicking and screaming from the ME setup. I plan on getting a lappy this year and will get the vista premuim that will come with it. But do I wish it was XP? Yes, because I am familiar with it. Will I get used to Vista? Yes, but I don't expect to really NEED Win 7 since I will migrate to Vista soon. I want Movie Maker, I haven't used it yet but hope to this year. The fact that Vista support 'ends' in 2012 doesn't scare me much. But I need it since only the 64 bit version of Vista supports 4GB of RAM.

I have read the first nine pages here and enjoyed the banter, but I feel like posting now and asking why 7 is so much better if it's based on the vista kernal? Wasn't a lot of the vista fiasco to do with driver support and not so much on MS's shoulders? When people refer to the vista fiasco what are they really talking about? Will it really benefit me to upgrade to 7? As a intermediate user? I am no expert by any means, that is what drew me here, the experts here are awesome and know their stuff, but when my system wigs out (the XP one) we reformat the system and reinstall everything and it runs like a charm again.

The same holds true for our vista machine. When it starts slowing down and acting up (don't ask me what that means, hubby is the one who uses the dell, and uses it for gaming so it probably has to do with that usage that he feels the need to reformat frequently) he reformats and reinstalls and viola' it's all good again. I hope that 7 does well, from the beta users reviews it sounds good, but I don't see a reason to pay for another upgrade when we've barely been using vista in the household for a year and a half now. I doubt hubby will want to upgrade to 7 either, we talked about it and he's not impressed by the beta reviews and no interest in becoming a beta user.

I can appreciate it might be good for people who've wanted some of the features it has but I don't see that new taskbar as being worth it. Or the other features, it's just not holding that much interest for either of us.

 

In fairness, migrating to Vista at this stage is absolute lunacy with Windows 7 being so close.

 

If you have 4GB on a 32Bit system, approximately 1GB can be adressed by the graphics card - its not as fast, but a useful add on.

Also, with "only" 4GB of Ram its debateable if a 64Bit OS is worth it - there are arguments for and against it.

Not necessarily - nothing ever goes according to plan - while the Beta may work well, its possible that something goes wrong on the actual release, or that a security hole is found.
Vista SP1 or SP2 will offer the same in terms of security, and will enjoy better driver support - after a few months this will change towards Windows 7.

 

Not even close.

 

I disagree, if I purchase a new laptop I would want the 64-bit version of windows to be able to get higher ram in the lapppy. I don't see it as lunacy at all. It's just what the manufacturer would put on the system. Since I haven't used vista it would be my first experience with it that's all.