Looking for super fast boot secondary OS

Hi, my specs are below, I'm looking for a super fast boot secondary os that I can use, for example, is there anyway to port the ASUS express 8 second thingy to HP?

Or is there a linux distro that has the basic of basics such as internet, word etc etc

 

don't know, but how about not turning off the system? standby ftw.

 

For some strange reason, I'm not a huge fan of standby... my facial login doesn't work, some of my programs I have to restart them, and yeah, its a pet peeve

 

Needs electricity -> especially when running overnight.

 

Hibernate?

 

Ubuntu 10.10 on a SSD. Could get it down to 10 seconds or less. For example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMbfAPKGHdM . Can speed up further if do a UEFI boot.

 

Lots of user problems with standby/hibernate can be traced back to drivers that can't handle the power cycle.

Make sure that your bios is up to date, the OS is up to date, and device drivers are up to date.

 

I never use hibernate or standby. I think it somehow clogs up and slows down my computer when it is back on. Some less demanding Linux than Ubuntu?

 

sleep or hibernate is the most logical choice. sleep should use less that 1W/hour and hibernate use nothing(well same level as shutdown). sleep resume in less than 2-3 seconds, hibernate resume in about 10-20 seconds depending on memory used.

If you factor in the time it takes to get to the equivalent operating environment level of the secondary OS, it may still be faster to resume from sleep then logout/re-login if your applications are so badly written that they don't like resume.

 

jolicloud could be a good solution for you! lightweight and boots in seconds

 

omg, cost me a dollar a year. yeah that's where my money goes! have to stop standby and it fixes all my payment issues i have.

hint: sarcasm alert


to the op. well, then fix your standby issues?

 

"you think". there's the problem. do you KNOW? i know that it doesn't.

 

I "Think" it slows it down about as much as time and installations slow down windows in general.

 

-> It's still a pointless expense.
And yes, just the one computer isn't much, but if you have more than 1... that's why the computers at university switch off by themselves if unused for too long, because it ads up.

 

Yep, because they don't.

 

Hey I found splashtop OS and then saw your post on jolicloud. Which one do you recommend? I am just going for speed

 

slashtop is limited in what apps it can use while jolicould is like chrome os with a few more features and side apps

 

No way would either hibernate or standby "clog up and slow down" the computer.

Gary

 

means not at all? yes, exactly. that's how much my windows installations slow down over time: not at all. i'm so glad i got rid of xp days and annoyances

it's a pointless expense that just doens't matter. can't even buy me a drink a year for that. so, considering the thousands i have in dept, why should i care about THAT? fixing bottlenecks is the trick. standby cost is definitely not one.

this might be different in other setups. then again, i know so many companies letting all their computers ON during EVERY night AND WEEKEND, it's not that much of a cost factor.

exactly. thanks for common sense.

 

Because there are plenty of utter and complete idiots in the world.
People will whine about lightbulbs and change to fluorescent lightbulbs so that we can start to poison ourselves or the environment with mercury (and yes, I broke 2 by accident back in Germany) - additionally the light is horrible (bareable as warm white but 100% useless when shooting a photograph).

But something as simple as shutting down a computer is too difficult...
-> utter and complete idiots.

And regarding debt - just the same, when you are in debt you do your best to REDUCE it, anybody else is an utter and complete idiot.

Also, it's not as if it's that difficult to switch a computer off over night - of course when you travel and know you'll be opening and closing the laptop's lid several times it makes sense to use standby, over night, no.

 

The difference between sleep mode and shutdown is too small that it would have any meaning impact on power usage.

If there is one habit that needs to be changed, it is that 'screen saver' thing. I have seen so many interviews in the news when these university professors, some 'important' people in an organizations(including many those environmentalists) talking in front of the camera with their computer in the background showing the Windows screen saver which neither save the screen nor use less energy. That waste way more energy that those <1W/h sleep mode.

 

-> I know that on my laptop sleep is definitely NOT less than 1W, it's more around 3W of power draw.

-> Sleep in most cases will keep the LAN card on for wake on LAN, it MUST keep the RAM on power to retain the data... and potentially some other components to regulate the power supply.

You will also have a power loss either due to the power supply or the batter in the laptop which needs to be recharged, any charging a battery type device is never 100% efficient.

 

You can select what device is still in the 'sleep but still monitoring state' like WOL. RAM is the only thing that needs constant power and even that it is at different power level.

I am sure my laptop can be in sleep mode for over two days on a standard 56Whr battery.

Even using your number, that is about 30W-35W per day or 1KWh a month. Still too small comparing with the gain. Have to remember that daily boot up means that the computer needs to be actively running those boot up task each day if you must count in everything.

Beside, just use hibernation if the sleep state is such a concern in terms of power. Almost beat my SSD fresh boot.

 

For my laptop, it uses 5% of the battery charge per hour (when new) of standby - in power saver mode I got 1 hour of use out of 20% of battery charge, it has a 62640mWh battery.

i.e. 4 hours of sleep is the same as 1 hour of use.

-> This is still pointless waste when you are sleeping overnight. Yes it's not a lot, but it's a pointless expense and pointless use of electricity overnight.
Yes, when travelling and constantly using the laptop/packing it away it's useful, I use Standby when I go to university and when at university, but overnight at home the laptop is turned off unless I want a backup to run which is rather seldom.

Edit:
Oh, and booting does not need that much electricity, yes, an HDD needs a fair amount to spin up, but it would need that amount of energy anyway if the computer was sleeping.
On a SSD it doesn't matter.

 

That is a lot. Luckily I am not using your machine.

It is not 'pointless waste' but a choice. The alternative is that I have to remember where I am (re-open 20-30 tabs in IE assuming I can remember all those links for example). So given the expected energy drain(for me it is less than 1Wx8hrsx30 => 0.25KWh a month), I choose to be a bit 'wasteful'.

BTW, do you switch your main switch every night before you go to sleep ? All those little things like routers, ADSL modems, TV etc. all use similar level of power too.

 

my work laptop is always sleeping, i can let it sleep over the weekend, plug into a dokingstation at monday, and still have around 50% power or more.

but, well, yours is that crappy sony

 

That's what bookmarks are for.

At least not built by fascists and does your battery still hold most of it's charge?

 

stop the fashist thing or i find out how to get you banned.

yes, battery is like on day one (battery declines are a myth, they happen, but not based on usage).

as said, you focus on making your life complicated for reasons that make no sense. continue to do so, but don't spread that knowledge.

 

That is not manageable by bookmark. Usually they are open because of google search then link then link ... and they have no long term value once my task is finished. If I bookmark them, I would spend more time managing my bookmark(and reopen 20-30 bookmark each time, waiting them to load) so thank you.

As for battery charge, I don't know why that get drag in. I was giving an example of how much power the sleep mode draw and the only thing I can easily measure it is when it is on battery. My machine is plugged to the wall all the time.

EDIT:
and you still haven't say how many standby device is in your home. Just to put things in perspective, We use about 5KWh/day in a two person place.

 

I'm just using communist language - nothing else.
The Wall was known as the "antifaschistischer Schutzwall" -> "antifascist protection wall" if you translate it.

It refers to every east of the former German Democratic Republic, and primarily the US..

-> Battery life: yes, heat, and heat is generated every time you empty it, charge it and also when the laptop heats it.

 

-> Then maybe you need to manage yourself better? -> 20-30 tabs on a regular basis rather shows you can't manage information.
If it's useful it gets bookmarked, if it's not it's not needed.

Battery charge, yes, it is easy to measure and that's how it got dragged. -> If you don't use a battery and just leave your laptop plugged in you still waste money on electricity and waste electricity were it is pointless.

 

Huh ? I manage my information using what I see the most effective means. I have explained that those things are result of search(like I need to code something and need to go through the background studies via google links). How about you tell me how you are going to do it ?

Using you logic, running a notebook is quite possibly pointless as well as you can fall back to pen and paper. Oh wait, that requires energy to produce as well. Better just dig around your house for mud/sand then use a stick to record things.

Oh actually living is a pointless waste of energy as well as we need to eat, to drink.

 

-> You search for something, if it is useful you bookmark it, and once you stopped using it you close the tab.

You might not have noticed, but you can sort your bookmarks into folders, and typing a part of the name into the address bar will search though your bookmarks, i.e. makes them easily retrievable.

Oh, and pen and paper is much better for actually thinking also doesn't wears out your eyes as quickly as a screen.

 

easily retrieveable, still more effort than when they are right there on my desktop as now I need to use my limited brain cells to remember all those folder names.

so why are you still using computer if pen and paper are better ?

EDIT:

and you still haven't said how much energy you use a day, given that you are so concern about waste.

 

Mainly because I am forced to.

-> On that note: My assignments are whenever possible written on paper by hand, simpler and faster.

 

chimpanzee, don't try to talk with detlev. he went crazy some months ago. he's a very frustrated man who can't understand logic.

so maybe for him, it really would be the best thing to move back to stone-age. there, he can't spam everyone else with his stupid believes.

 

Capitalism isn't logic, neither is wasting energy.

-> And yes, I do understand logic, if it's real logic and not lies aka politics.
How else could I do maths assignments on that note - interestingly enough if you actually added the maths on a lot of "real life things" it will NOT add up.

 

What country are you in that you are being forced to use a computer ? I thought the Soviet block has been dismangled in 89 ?

So they forced you to use a high power Sony as well rather than a netbook that use much less energy ?

Do they also forced you to use cell phone, watching TV as well ?

EDIT:
and montblanc instead of pencil ? I would assume that would take more energy to produce.

 

we're not talking capitalism here (and it's logic btw: the logic of survival).

logic is: to read paper, you have to have it reflect light. enough light to be bright enough to read. light is the same, unimportant if reflected or not. so a screen does NEVER do something different than a piece of paper. no, it's actually more homogenous and better lit than a paper, so actually REDUCING eye strain.

logic is: not thinking about wasting maybe 0.1% power, as that's not where one has to place optimizations. so i can win 0.1% of the power i use? that doesn't give me anything.

logic is: paper can't copy paste, it can't save/restore, it can't search. so it's less useful than a laptop for textual stuff. not adapting to it is is your fault, your brains fault. not the technologies one.

logic is: not thinking about stuff that you can't change (everything on this wolrd), but about yourself, where you can change (so you enjoy your life at least for one day maybe).

so no, sir, you don't use logic at all. only your bitterness on how your life sucks, and you're the reason for it, and you can't accept it, you can't accept that you are the one in charge for changing it. no one else.

so i changed my life, i abuse that bit of power for standby, and enjoy not having to shutdown/startup my stuff at any point. saves me time (which is worth a lot in my case), saves me having to remember stuff (which can be used for more useful stuff), etc.

and that's what computers are there for: taking off the useless stuff out of my life, leaving my life with only the stuff that's useful. going back to stoneage is not useful.

 

The dedeveloping UK.
-> I can't avoid Excel assignments, I must use Excel and things like my final year project must be typed...

Regarding the Sony:
-> At maybe 25W peak it's not that bad in terms of energy consumption. Now while you are right that a netbook would use less energy you need to remember that a netbook will end up being replaced sooner rather than later. My notebook is now nearly 3 years old, and as far as I can tell I can continue to use it for years to come, i.e. no energy spent producing and destroying it.

Cellphone -> guess what, I didn't have one for quite some time, and I never missed one. You are indirectly forced to have one by the attitudes of people who think you have to be reachable... but when mine breaks I don't think I will be replacing it, not immediately anyway, it's use is mainly a calendar to help me remember the day and alarm clock.

TV -> thankfully no we don't have one at home either
->
a) nothing useful to watch anyway, and if there is, it's on the iplayer afterwards anyway
b) no licence fees, and yes, the use of the iplayer is legal without licence fees provided you do not watch content live.

 

Stare into a lightbulb all day, and if your eyesight is still there after 1 year, tell me.
-> A screen is better lit, but it's brighter than the environment -> that's why it causes eye strain.
It actually needs to be brighter than the environment as else the environment reflects off the screen -> try to use one outside in bright sunshine... (and yes, the newest ones are much better than old ones)

Copy paste -> makes plagiarising very easy... there is a positive and a negative side to it.

And saving 0,1% -> well, more like a 2 hours equivalence with respect to time that a computer is used, that is more than 0,1%
Also, it's a small amount, yes, but as I said earlier, it ads up, and it's painless.
You gain nothing by standby overnight, you only waste energy and loose money.

 

Why would a netbook will end up being replaced sooner ? I have a JVC subnote that I bought in 2001 and is still using it and have no problem of running Excel on it.

So what is the average power use in your home each day ? I have told you that I use 5KWh/day. The fridge use the most energy.

And do you have internet at home ? do you have router at home ? do you use wireless at home ?

 

-> Uni Excel files, also sometimes stupid simulations that Excel is not made for.
Also, build quality, it travels across Europe with me -> Germany and Poland (one positive aspect of computers -> your own photo editing)
This also requires it to be light -> then, 13,3" screen, I can read on that daily, and no I do not use another computer, only my laptop.

-> Wi-Fi, actually there is, mainly because my mother needs internet access too.

Home Energy consumption - no clue, possibly pretty high because the houses were built by idiots in the 60ies and are horrible to heat, they are leaking heat like I don't know what... -> in winter your radiators run on full and it doesn't get very warm.

The fridge - no idea, you need to consider the difference between the US and Europe though. The Americans possibly couldn't believe it's kept cold at its energy consumption, additionally it's only a small fridge/freezer too, so while it will use energy, and possibly a fair amount for a single device, it's not really bad.

 

Standard ubuntu/any linux on my 3 year old low voltage laptop takes no time at all to boot. I can be sitting at a workable desktop in ~30 seconds on a cyclical HDD (mechanical). Not too shabby for an old low power laptop I must say. Havent timed my t400 but I assume its in the 20-25 second range.

 

My JVC also travelled with me and it is also like. And wait, you are not forced to do photo editing as well ? Or you happen to 'choose' to do it ?

Turn down the heat, wear more clothes. Modern clothes are light and warm. I don't have to pay my heat but I still lower it to the lowest level and wear more clothes and this is America North West so it is not much warmer than UK.

Don't use wireless, it consume more energy than wire and is slower too. Just buy a long cat-5 capable and remember to turn the router/modem off each night.

See there are lots of way to preserve energy and you choose not to, why ?

 

-> On the router: I think the first reason is my mother I actually wanted a cable from downstairs upstairs, received a no...

-> Heating: Bad circulation in my hands and feet, drop the temperature too low and my hands get cold and hard to move which makes writing or typing difficult.

-> Photo editing, indeed, I do chose to do that, but then again, compare digital images to the energy required for film (besides the fact that film is more expensive) Also, if you aren't bad at photography (note I said not bad, it is not the same as good) why not "do it"?

 

You mother can just as well plug with a long cable, just tell her that it is a pointless waste of energy and can save her some money.

wear socks for the feet, wear glove(those kneating one that leave the tip of the finger uncovered) for hands. We use it here outdoor when it is snowing heavily.

You aren't bad at photography but you are wasting energy. Switch to pencil drawing.

And switching the router/modem every night would not impact your daily routine in anyway I assume(i.e. after your mother has gone to sleep).

 

She could indeed, but she doesn't want to.

Socks -> I wear socks at home, it doesn't help.
Gloves -> just my fingertips won't allow me to write, they would allow typing, but not writing.

Pencil drawing -> not necessarily more energy efficient than photography, consider the energy used to make a pencil, then an eraser, the paper...
(Yes, I hardly print photographs).
The initial energy costs for a camera are significantly higher - I agree there, but what about the long term costs? -> They become more difficult to calculate.

On the router - I tend to go to sleep before my mother does...

 

Wear socks at home doesn't help, so when you are not at home, your feet would be frozen and would not be able to walk I assume ?

I have no problem wearing those gloves and still writing, though I am only using normal pen/pencils and not MontBlanc, may be that is different.

Are you seriously suggesting that pencil and paper consume more resources than digital camera and computer ? And why do you want to circular them online or via email ? take it with you and show it to your friends

Just beg her to switch them off before going to sleep, it is a total pointless waste of energy. Or get a timer device that would cut the power at 2am(I frequently see them in our local Salvation Army used stuff store), it has some initial cost but you save long term.

In fact, this is even more sinful than sleep mode in computer as you really gain nothing leaving them on overnight(as a router can boot into state in 10 seconds or so).

 

I am still on xp