NBR Folding@home Team

Strigon12 is back online and crunching numbers in the name of F@H

 

I'll have to stop F@H. I only have the one machine, while I have been able before to run long WU's I needed it to be where I could have short 3 hour WU runs for over night. Well even on small packet size I just got a 20 hour WU (a couple of 3 hour ones before this), just can't do it. I will complete current ones then uninstall. Glad to have helped where I can................

 

TAN,

set the control to "client type... advanced", and you'll get smaller WUs. That's what I did. No big funky ones here.

Jason

 

I just realized, I think I set my R2 to create an image lastnight and shut down F@h. Didn't remember to restart it Looks like Turbo will take the lead Was wondering why my 24hr stats were way low. I'll try and remote into it from my phone during lunch to restart it

 

The Daily Ranking

Grand Score 3758972 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 3867 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1523 of 208369


Team members
Rank
(within team) Donor Score WU
1 reborn2003 1370029 1294
2 DR650SE 433103 489
3 TurbodTalon 430200 333
4 ganzonomy 404035 446
5 JTK 312603 237
6 Thierry19 287946 237
7 justinkw1 171510 211
8 TANWare 67927 116
9 Ayle 62155 92
10 too456 51755 39
11 Prema 40214 46
12 RodKnock 33036 52
13 privatejarhead 24151 25
14 Chiefule-reborn2003 20947 17
15 anseio 12898 17
16 Courtathor 8935 122
17 reborn2003-M11x 8371 21
18 TONY211 8141 41
19 Rickards12 5557 9
20 TurbodTalon_XPS 1467 5
21 Anonymous 1325 2
22 TurbodTalon_M1530 867 4
23 H.A.L._9000 778 3
24 too456-3820TG 511 1
25 KoI 511 1
26 too456-XPS420 0 7

Hooray for 4 members over 400k! 3-way battle for #2 about to ensue!

 

I have a lot of catching up to do... xD

 

Yea, I think I may need to figure out how to fold for points more efficiently, but I see myself dropping to 4th in the next few weeks. Gotta find out if dropping the GPUs would be better for points. Hmm.

I wonder, would I get more points setting all my slots to small WU's? Less points but i could pump out more WUs.

 

Nice one ganzonomy,

Great Folding tactics on display with the machines and specs at your disposal. I can see you shooting up to 2nd in no time.

Yup I've been trying to tinker with my folding setups as well. It didn't go so well. I tried pausing the GPUs to see if the CPUs could crank out some nice numbers. They did manage to fetch slightly larger WU's worth a little bit more credits however the time frame to finish them were like 2days.
So I think I'll switch almost everything back to the way it was although I'll leave the 2 day SMPs for now till they finish the current WU's. Perhaps if the credits were worth a bit more I might consider leaving the settings. I need to tinker some more..............
GPUs are back up and folding. Everything is OC as well Time to start pushing again.

This should be great to see 3 members battling for 2nd spot and automatic UCL qualification LOL!
Nice move in the last few hours by Turbo!
DR lost some time just like I did when I went back and saw my systems had all restarted after some windows updates ..........I removed the pause start setting; I can't remember why I added that in the 1st place again. It's off now in case the lappy's restart again without me knowing

Cheers.

 

Well I changed all my slots to small work units. We'll see how it serves over the next few days.

 

Cool DR,

I'll follow your lead if it works out well.

Cheers.

 

You guys did it...NBR is now in the top 1500!

As of 1/13/2012, 12:55 AM PST (3:55 AM EST):

Grand Score: 3852488
Work Unit Count: 3951
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate): 1495 of 208397

The team is on its way to 4 million points - and I think sometime today the team will also be reaching 4000 completed WUs.

Overall, the team's rank is currently sitting in the top 0.8% relative to all other teams.

 

Sweet! Looks like ganzonomy will be catching me today as well.

My R2, when I go back to my system says it quit unexpectedly, but the gpu/cpus still show that they are at full load. So I'm not sure if when that message pops up if they continue folding or what. I uninstalled and reinstalled lastnight and often times that seems to help. But this morning I had the same message and didn't have time to trouble shoot. Not to mention I'm going out of town so I won't be able to go home. I'll have to do it from my phone in the card again. After I get off work and my wife picks me up I'll uninstall and reinstall. Something makes me want to say that it's possbly bad WU's because when I uninstall and reinistall, I dump all previous data, and that seems to cure thr problem. Oh well

Can somone help me understand the exchange below?

I follow everything except where he's talking about running my 940XM as smp4 SMP7 ect. What does he mean by this. I'm not sure what I'm missing here and feel like a fool lol.

Spoiler

How can I maximize my PPD?

by DR650SE » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:15 am
Below are the three systems I have. All running windows 7 and the V7 beta of F@h. All systems are running SMP and GPU/GPUs. For 7 total clients.

Dell Inspiron 1720 Laptop. 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo CPU. 8600M GT GPU

Alienware M11x Laptop. 1.6GHz Core 2 Duo CPU. 335M GPU

Alienware M17x R2 Laptop. i7 940XM 2.5GHz Quad core. Runs 2.5GHz folding full load. Dual AMD 6990M GPUs.

I know I can OC the components to boost production, but I don't want to have to test stability and what not. Mostly because I go out of town a lot. So I'd rather have peace of mind knowing the systems are folding with no issues while I'm gone.

What can I do to maximize my PPD? Should I drop everything to small work units? Should I run large work units? Should I only run SMP on all systems and not bother with GPU? Should I only run GPUs? If I run GPUs and CPU on the same system, is it actually pull down my PPD because now the CPU is folding as well as running other tasks? Should I disable hyperthreading on the i-7 CPU?

One thing I do is monitor my computers while I'm out of town. I use Team viewer to remote into my 3 notebooks from my Droid phone so I can make changes to the systems, even if I'm several states away, which I normally am. And advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks guys.

Bottom line: What settings should I use to maximize PPD?
Silver Alienware M17X R2 | i7 940XM | X-Fire AMD 6990M | BIOS A10 MOD | 320GB Intel X-25M RAID 0 | 1TB Internal HDD Drive | 8GB 1333MHz | RGB LED | Killer 1103 Wifi
Black Alienware M11X R1 | SU7300 | 1GB 335M | 256GB SSD | 8GB DDR3 | Win 7






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Re: How can I maximize my PPD?

by Zagen30 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:37 am
For the Inspiron, SMP+GPU is probably the best option. I don't think the GPU will earn that much, but the pre-Fermi architectures use essentially zero CPU time, so there shouldn't be any noticeable SMP PPD hit. If there is, though, the GPU would likely be the first thing to go.

The M11x is in the same boat; the 335 is pre-Fermi, so it shouldn't affect the SMP performance. This machine has the highest potential of not meeting SMP deadlines, so if that's the case you may want to switch to 2xuniprocessor and 1xGPU.

The M17x is probably the one you'll have to experiment with the most. AMD cards need a lot of CPU time due to the way the drivers are written. You're definitely not going to get max performance running SMP:8 and 2xGPU. I'm not overly familiar with how well the multithreading of an i7 can handle AMD GPU needs, but as a starting point I'd try SMP:6 alongside both GPUs; make sure you put in "client-type - advanced" to get the more efficient Core 16 GPU WUs if you're not already doing so. Disabling HT would probably hurt things, since the multithreading can be rather helpful. You'll probably want to see if SMP:5 produces any noticeably better results. SMP:7 likely wouldn't offer up enough CPU time, and certain projects can't handle large prime numbers of threads; I don't believe 5 is large enough to cause problems, but I may be wrong, in which case you'd want to check SMP:4.

As to WU size, I'm not sure it'll make that much of a difference. I believe all SMP projects are large anyway (regardless of what option you give), and there's only a few of the Core 16 projects right now, so I don't believe it'd affect the AMD GPUs either. You might want to see if the small WU selection on the two Nvidia cards is any better (or different at all) from larger projects since they're somewhat low in shader count. If you end up running uniprocessor slots on any of the machines it might make more of a difference, but I haven't folded uniprocessor in years so I can't really comment on that.

 

^^^ Isn't it against the forum rules to post private correspondence?

 

Private correspondence yes, but this is an open forum discussion being had that I posted.

Here is the link to the forum post over at the F@h support forums.

 

Interesting read,

Thanks for sharing DR.

I never even noticed the SMP number until now LOL!

My SB is currently running on SMP 8. Any ideas what I should be running it on? It looks like all those changes and experimentation has KOed my credits for the last couple of days. It'll be all good though if we can find the sweet and most productive/effective folding settings for our systems.

I might try and change my SMP to a 4 or 5. Although I'm not even sure how to change it atm.

Cheers.

 

Yea thats my thing too. Not quite sure how to change it but yea check this out. Since your our main point getter, our production has taken a dive.

Extreme Overclocking stats.

 

Of this team, I'm not on the most powerful machine. Well, it was strong 2 years ago, when it was release.

My PPD took a dive the moment I started getting 13min simulations. Dropped from 6K to 3K. So, I followed suit and got it switched to small WU's late last night, after another 22hr WU finished up.

I'm finishing my 2nd small WU in about 20min and my estimated PPD is 7805.

 

AHhaah LOL! No kidding! Hopefully I can get things back on track ASAP!

Looks like I managed to change the SMP 8 to SMP 5.
DR you should be able to make the change in the Slots SMP options.
You can change the -1 setting to 1, 3, 5 or 7 or higher.

Cheers.

 

So what affect does that have on the system? Right now all of mine are at -1

man I'm getting so confused. I need to change my GPUs back to "client-type |advanced" as well.

 

I've been thinking about how f@h is set up, and what comes to mind is that our ideas as laptop users of "small", "normal", and "big" may be a bit off. Yes, our i7 laptops are quadcore / 8threads, but they are not only slower than say an i7-970, let alone a SB, or SB-E cpu, but who among us has a multi-socket rig. f@h's "small", "normal" and "big" sizes are not what size the WU is uncompressed, but rather what size they are compressed. Also, a WUs atom structure can have tens of thousands of individual atoms whose movements have to be itemized as they fold. (some have hundreds of thousands, and the bigadvs can be in the millions of atoms.) There is only so much work an SMP can do with the 4, 8, or however many threads that exist within the CPU(s) its relegated to. Because of this, while it may suck to have to pick "small", it helps to mitigate the possibility of a WU that may take days to complete, because in the scheme of computers, we don't have multi-socket servers at our individual disposals.

To give a frame of reference:

Suppose I get a quad LGA 2011 server board, and populate it with 4 E5-2690s. I now have 32-cores and 64-threads @ 3.1GHz. Now this will allow for SMP:64, which would in theory be droolworthy compared to our SMP:8s that we are limited to. Such a machine would be able to fold smalls in under an hour, normals in about an hour to 3 hours, and who knows about big. The reality though is is that these are not only existent, but possibly what is allowing for folders to get such insanely fast folds on units that test our laptops and desktops (and our patience as users). All we can do as users is maximize our wu's and PPD in the hopes of improving our scores.

Jason

 

Yeh -1 setting is to let the program decide how many threads are used. So in this case we can set it to something else manually.
It's a bit too soon to tell atm. However I am optimistic in the sense that setting it to either SMP 5 or SMP 7 should show some changes soon. Hopefully for the better. Either it makes folding on the CPU more effective or it helps our AMD GPUs fold better by giving back some of the CPU power.

I too had to add client-type advanced back as I noticed things weren't folding so well when I took it completely off. We shall see soon what affect changing our SMPs has soon. Surely its gotta be better than all the points we've lost over the last couple of days
Time for DR to fight back and reclaim his top 2 ranking!

Cheers.

Well said Jason,

I will be trying to improve on what was actually working quite well a few days ago before I started to get greedy and started tinkering.
The next few days should show whether things are back on track or not.

Cheers.

DR quick question.
For your 6990M WU's what credit points are you getting for each WU you fold?
I seem to always be getting 1835.00 credits and nothing lower or higher. Exactly the same every time.



Notebook_Review_Forums

Report generated on 07:58:34 January 13, 2012
Date of last work unit 2012-01-13 07:04:30
Active CPUs within 50 days 168
Team Id 213698
Grand Score 3904156 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 4000 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1483 of 208403
Home Page http://forum.notebookreview.com
Fast Teampage URL http://fah-web.stanford.edu/teamstats/team213698.html


Cheers.

 

Thats what I get. and for estimated points it's always "unknown."

One thing I noticed while I was having heatsink problems, I put my 540M back in my system so I could fold on the GPUs while I was out of town a few weeks ago and with only the GPUs folding, my CPU hung around 50% usage or more. I wonder if it would be the same with the 940XM. I just changed my 940XM to SMP6 and added "client type advanced" back on my GPUs. My CPU is currently working on a 4 day WU Hopefully it will recalculate and be quicker. Wish I had a better understanding of this lol

4000 WU! Nice! I posted it on the original post at the top. I'll take it down tommorrow morning, but through it would be nice to post a mile stone. I may create a milestone section with a spoiler.

 

Right now, I'm getting small WUs worth 1800 pts on the NP8130, and bigger ones worth about 2300 pts on the NP8662. NP8662 also doing small GPU WUs as well.

Jason

 

Are WU's with a base value of 700+ considered small?

I'm set to max-packet-size: small and I'm still getting the big ones.

Will stop contributing if projects keep taking 20hrs+ to complete.

 

I've got a new machine 2700k based coming up. That should allow me to free up my P2 x4 840 for continuous folding.

 

Nice! Bet that 2700K is going to be sweet!

 

700 is considered small... but that's weird, i've been getting puny 600 pts ones and they finish in 4 hrs.

 

Chief. Im watching my gpu utilizatio. Did yours drop after setting to smp6?

Anyone know if there is a way to dump or get rid of your current Wu? I think i set my cpu to smp6 and i want to dump the Wu its working on now as its a work unit it picked up when it was running as smp8. So i think now it will take extra long and i don't want to wait so long.

 

Remove the configuration and it will dump out the WU. When you reconfigure, it will download a new WU. Maybe it starts the same one over?

 

DR better stop dumpin WUs, i'm only 6k pts behind him

1 reborn2003 1425703 1337
2 TurbodTalon 461547 350
3 DR650SE 443335 509
4 ganzonomy 437484 478

 

And Im going out of town right now

I just installed. Running two gpu's and three smp2 clients on my R2. This way i can have some cpu points and free a little cpu to feed the gpu's. Im hoping it works out well. Figure running three two thread clients has to help right? Im hoping probably all jacked up

Choose 3x smp2 because my T9500 seems to do well and hopefully i can take advantage of turbo boost as my cpu isn't pegged at 100%

 

Yeh your right man,

I totally forgot about the GPU utilisation. Mine are hovering around 80 - 90% atm. For both GPU's.
I'm currently running on SMP 5.

WooT Things are sure heating up in the TOP 4 lol!

Cheers.

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/awards/tcert.php?u=213698&pts=4051781

4 Million OLES!

I stole your gif pic DR lol!

Cheers.

Congrats ganzonomy on moving up to 3rd!

Rank
(within team) Donor Score WU
1 reborn2003 1467796 1378
2 TurbodTalon 475707 359
3 ganzonomy 456906 495
4 DR650SE 449361 523

TurbodTalon is steaming on ahead. Turbo POWER! Creating a little buffer, nice one man!
DR man you've gotta make a move the other 2 are pushing on ahead.

Cheers.

 

The moral of the story:

There is nothing more awesome than the power of a Sager or an Alienware folding at its peak efficiency .

Jason

 

Im trying smp2 x3 looks like each will fetch over 1k pts per day and one shows 2k ppd. Not sure if this is good or not. I don't know what the deal is and done have access to my system other then by my phone.

 

DR: my NP8130, no GPU, just SMP:8 is getting in the range of 21k to 25k ppd, if that's any reference for you.

 

Yea I May try that but my gpu's put out more points since there are two and they are pretty efficient. With three smp2 i have enough cpu left for my gpu's too. Well see. May give it a week.

 

Just a screenshot of ppd for the sake of veracity (my NP8130 in sig)



Jason

 

Im going to let it finish the current Wu's and then try just smp8.

Chief, are you folding on the M11x cpu? i know the gpu is good. Just wondering if its worth folding on the 1.6ghz Cpu Also are you running they as smp2? I wonder if it is missing deadlines as smp2 and 2x uniprocessor may be better. Grrr wish I was home to test this stuff. Doing it by phone is tough and Im impatient. Actually, It looks fine on the deadlines. 55 day dead line and the Wu should be done in 3 days for an average of 800-900 ppy

 

Hey man,

Yup I've been folding full throttle on the M11x, since almost the beginning from when we started. It's been perhaps one of the most constant ones folding apart from a few times due to windows updates and being stuck on the login screen
It does quite a good job. The credits it gathers I guess are quite small however it is consistent and gathers probably a few thousand credits everyday. Heck I even tried overclocking the GPU once lol I'm not too sure if it made much of a difference. I've since set everything back to normal because its getting super hot down here. 38 Degrees Celcius days almost every day now, with super shocking humidity. In fact I've had to turn off the OC on my 6990Ms as well. I was folding with them at 830mhz CORE and 1100mhz MEM. I must say they do quite an awesome job at ploughing through the WU's consistently. They too are one of my major point getters. It is hard to let them go LOL! Even though I may see much higher PPD if I disable them. Do you have yours OC?

I'll check out exactly what my M11x is folding when I get back later.
I'm pretty sure the GPU was folding the WU's that netted about 500pts per WU. Taking a few hours to do each one.
Yup just checked the CPU WU and it is running a 88.59 base credit. So quite tiny and not worth very much but every little bit counts. I've noticed that it can take a day or 2 sometimes as well for it to complete 1 SMP WU. The GPU WU's seem to be fluctuating between 5 - 10 hours depending on the WU as well.

Side note: It looks like I had a much better day in terms of Credit accumulation over the last 24hrs. The Chief is BACK!

Now I would like to know if we can get our 6990M's working on different WU's? Perhaps something worth more credits than the normal 11293 WU project worth 1835.00 Credits all the time. Any info or ideas peeps?

Cheers.

 

Damn. I was messing with my system and it locked up. Now its not folding and i have no way to shut it off Oh well. Least the others are folding. Damn always something to fix or throw a wrench in my plans

 

Dammm Dan Man,

That really sucks. That is even worse then coming back to see your system is frozen or has not been folding for a day or 2 for some unknown reason. Or because someone turned it off for you lol
You actually know that it needs to be rebooted but can't do anything about it.

Hey so are the 580M's also white listed now with the latest folding console update?
Man I must stay away from the 580M's soooo tempting lol ahahaahhaa . Slap don't you dare buy them.

Cheers.

 

NOPE, as of 7.1.43 my 580m is not detected...

 

HALF a MILLION Milestone!!!

Congrats TurbodTalon oles!

TurbodTalon Last updated: Sun Jan 15 06:00:00 PST 2012
Sun Jan 15 14:00:00 UTC 2012

Date of last work unit 2012-01-15 06:09:56
Total score 500710
Overall rank (if points are combined) 38032 of 1607173
Active clients (within 50 days) 12
Active clients (within 7 days) 6


Cheers.

 

I have joined the team. I was the only one in my previous team. Now I have joined this team.

 

Today's Update:

Grand Score 4283313 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 4372 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1394 of 208484

Team members
Rank
(within team) Donor Score WU
1 reborn2003 1544289 1441
2 TurbodTalon 504643 386
3 ganzonomy 485714 527
4 DR650SE 458970 543
5 JTK 346656 256
6 Thierry19 306553 252
7 justinkw1 217141 281
8 Ayle 80728 118
9 TANWare 71492 117
10 Prema 62631 63
11 too456 54405 41
12 RodKnock 35274 55
13 privatejarhead 34147 36
14 Chiefule-reborn2003 20947 17
15 anseio 18331 21
16 Courtathor 13353 123
17 reborn2003-M11x 8371 21
18 TONY211 8141 41
19 Rickards12 5557 9
20 TurbodTalon_XPS 1467 5
21 Anonymous 1325 2
22 too456-3820TG 1022 2
23 TurbodTalon_M1530 867 4
24 H.A.L._9000 778 3
25 KoI 511 1
26 too456-XPS420 0 7

 

I'm not sure if I'm going to continue folding. My i7-720qm takes too long for the larger of the small packages. I'm fine with 4 or so hours for the 2 minute simulations, but not the 20+ necessary for the 13 minute simulations. :|

 

Damn JTK, you have to let me get into the top 5!!

 

AHahahah Not too long to go Thierry!
You should be top 5 in a few days if you can push out some more extra credits this week. Future projection shows 7 days if you continue they way your going
Keep it up!

Cheers.

 

Woot! Got it running. Good for testing out the OC on my 2500k. I will need to get it setup on my Core 2 Duo notebook and PS3 as well.

 

Oh awesome, I'm sure looking forward to see what the PS3 can bring to our team

Welcome on board Johnny T and Valentin N!

Cheers.