Poll: Why do you hate using Firefox browser?

ah okay. well, not for me.

 

Its mainly Youtube that's taking long but in Chrome/Opera I don't have that problem. I do like the themes and extensions I have for FF like the monkey one with the face on the bottom right corner.

 

hm youtube is very fast for me.. no clue.

 

Hah, interesting! This from the guy who keeps preaching to just use the OS the way it comes configured by default, and in god's name don't configure anything if you can avoid it, least of all use several partitions?

Uhmm, so you base your judgement of IE on your experience of a singular accident you had, using a beta version of the browser, on a beta OS???

For what it's worth, I have never, ever, seen something like that happening.

 

Too bad there isn't a poll option for "because it's boring"

I see Firefox as being just like one of those legacy computer systems that big banks have used since the 1970's or 1980's and are too scared to touch in fear that they'll break something - it's functional and very reliable, but at the same time it's also incredibly primitive and boring.

These days, when I think of web innovation, it's always Chrome or Opera leading the way. Firefox never comes to mind, which is a real shame, given its original goals. The momentum behind Firefox seems to have died around the time they reached 10% market share back in like 2006.

 

Poll needs a "Because it isn't native." I just don't use it because I don't want to add anymore useless application data to my hard drive for it to defragment through. Honestly I stick with IE8 + Whitelisted Host file, that get's the job don'e for me. I don't understand where there is so much angst in the browsers of choice. Seriosuly, they all can view like 99% of the webpages out there just fine. If Firefox came installed on Windows instead of IE8 I'd use it instead, they all get things done in regards to web surfing.

 

Don't hate it, just never really caught on. Add-ons? Preposterous Don't understand the need for them, but thats IMHO. Chrome is all I need.

 

I'm with you, absolutely. That's why I use IE, exclusivley. Absolutely no reason I could see for anything else.

"Web innovation"??? Leading the way where? What in the world is this even supposed to mean? We are talking about browsers for cryin' out loud! Those things are about as exciting and innovative as table spoons. You type in a URL (or click on a link), and it displays the web page referenced, that's all. What is there to get excited about?

 

Because browsers can do much, much more than that.

 

I hate it because it's horribly ugly, and feels more sluggish that Chrome.

I prefer simplicity, hence why I use Google Chrome.

 

Like what?

 

Take a look at some of the thousands of extensions for Firefox, and you'll see what I mean.

 

I hate it because it takes too long to open.

 

I know about the extensions, and I don't see what you mean. I happen to have no use for any of them. That is because my needs are quite satisfactorily covered by the programs I have. Mind you, I am strictly talking about myself here; what is true for me may not, and quite likely is not true for everybody else.

Besides, I was replying to somebody who was extolling the wondrous "web innovations" brougth to us by the Chrome browser. That is the question at hand: What exactly are those innovations? Let me put this in very clear terms: Browsers have nothing whatsoever to do with web innovation, despite what certain companies may want you to believe.

 

I love Firefox.

It has great features, it's compatible, and the UI isn't anything fancy.

I'm a minimalist.

 

We need browsers that are able to take advantage of the web innovations Pirx.

 

Indeed... Browsers are overrated.

All current browsers do that.. Theres no real difference lol.

 

I don't hate using it. I wouldn't use anything else, and those I introduce it to wouldn't either. It's handy with rebuilding profiles, because it has security features built in to do a complete wipe wihout effecting the OS. It handles zoom better than Opera ever did. It is pretty much like Lynx with a prettier interface, and has lynx underpinnings, that's why I don't hate it.

EDIT: Being not multithreaded is a strength, not a weakness. You do not WANT a browser of foreign content being able to seize all processors, because that will make your box vulnerable to heap domination, which is why we have dual processors to begin with.

 

But you wouldn't be able to tell me what those innovations are, now, would you?

Correct.

I notice that nobody seems to be able to tell us anything specific about what those "innovations" are supposed to be, let alone how one browser may allow us to "take advantage of them" any better than another. All we get is some vague insinuations, that turn out to be completely empty on closer inspection. Just as I thought.

Mind you, I really, really couldn't care less what browser anybody else uses. Let's just not pretend that there would be any objective, generalizable justification for such choices. To put this in the kind of vague and simple words some of you may find easier to understand: To each his/her own...

 

focus on what helps you actually on the pc, and not what is just more work for the placebo of proving one is a geek, yes.

well, the accident was on chrome happening in early days, too. and it showed me one thing: multi process applications are a bad bad thing. they try to take away a bit of the job of the os. it's not a simple one-app-one-process, and only the os starts new processes-thing.

if apps have bugs, they normally don't bother your os. but if they are able to have an indefinite amount of processes, and have bugs, they can completely DOS attack your system.

imagine a simple javascript spawning a new tab in ie or chrome, that loads the SAME page with that little javascript again. it will create 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,1024 processes in only 10 steps. that could technically happen in a very short amount of time, and completely DOS your system.

it's an issue that IS a problem with the new browsers, and firefox will get there, one day, as well.

but i like that it's not that far yet. when ever firefox crashes, the os is completely uninterested about it kill the process, done.


i haven't said it's a big issue btw. i just said i don't like stuttering in a playing back tab if some other uses processing power. but i like not having spawn thousands of random processes. doesn't mean it's often, or typical.

 

Oh I fully agree with you on that, having learned my lessons over the years. From what you write, I suspect that you have come down a very similar road as myself. There was a time, many years ago, when I was doing all of my work on a highly customized Linux system. This system was running a customized X-server (essentially what in Windows would be the graphics driver) on a customized kernel, running zsh as my standard shell with a .zshrc file that would take me days to even understand now. However, I started to realize that the amounts of time I spent just tweaking and "optimizing" my system was out of proportion relative to what I gained from such activities.

It was at pretty much the same time that Windows NT (in the form of Win2K) had become mature enough to be used for my work, so I abandoned Linux altogether, and spent only minimal amounts of time customizing my system. Nowadays, as a general rule I set up a new computer once (that costs me a couple of days, simply because of the sheer amount of software I use on a regular basis), and after that I never touch the configuration of my machine again, except for OS and software updates.

Hah, our master of over-generalization again. The above is nonsense of course: First, many, many applications can benefit from multi-process/multi-threaded designs, and single-process/single-threaded applications can crash just as badly as the former.

 

not really master of over-generalization.

a multithreaded app mostly has a fixed amount of threads running, and still is ONE FancyApp.exe in the task manager. so if it goes crazy, you can easily kill it.

a multiprocessed app on the other hand (only existing in internetexplorer and chrome right now, maybe applecrapple, too) can NOT be stopped if it spawns random new processes.

there's a HUGE difference.

i've nothing against multithreaded apps. that's exactly what threads where built for. but here we talk about individual logical apps (for the os logical) merged as one visual app for the user. this is actually an abuse of the concept of processes.

i do get the security standpoint. but i hope it gets fixed by getting sandboxed threads in the future.

if you check out your taskmanager while having 50 tabs open in iexplore, you see what i talk about. imagine now some webpage spawning new tabs.


you can't kill ie if it's somehow going crazy right now anymore. as you can't kill thousands of processes AT ONCE. it's a nice video game that you WILL lose. every time.

 

I believe that IE8 has a "parent process" and killing it kills all sub instances of that process. The parent process tends to be the one with the lowest memory usage.

 

I see a lot of technophobia in this thread. Specifically, of the "I've been using computers for decades and we never had any these things in the old days, so why would we need them now?" variety.

I'm starting to understand what kind of mindset the people who ridiculed the concept of a GUI had, back when GUIs were a new thing.

 

I don't use Firefox because my touchpad's scroll area works to no effect, while it works in most other programs.

 

nice mission to you: find the "parent process" in taskmanager faster than the thousands of processes kill down your system

 

If you sort by name it tends to be the first one - lowest process ID

Edit:
Just experimented... you win... (opened a few tabs and tried to close them quickly...fail)

 

I dont hate firefox. But I LOVE the simple Chrome Interface and no browser I have tried can compare to the sheer speed of Chrome.

 

Firefox is all I ever use because ad block plus makes the internet awesome.

Try ad block plus on Firefox and you'll know what I mean.

 

Bored, will do that now

 

I would only say some of the reasons why I don't like FF is Chrome for me is alot faster, and a few features FF doesn't have.

But I don't really HATE it, just don't like some features (or missing features).

But I am using it now after using Chrome since release. Gotta mix it up. Lol

 

what features besides the speed? addons.mozillla.org should have them all

 

I like Firefox but I don't like it's current UI. It's too ugly. LOL. No matter how you customize FF it still can't beat the Google Chrome's UI.
But, in term of balance and stable, FF is good enough. I used GC before, I found it's buggy though.
IE is the same with FF in my opinion, however, I just don't like IE. LOL.
Safari is ugly if not mistaken too.
Opera, I saw my housemate was using it. But, I don't think it's very beautiful.

 

They did add persona's to v3.6 which gave the interface some style and color

 

Well I guess I should of used a different word than features. I was mentioning the design feature, like how the tab is at the top, making for a bigger view of the web page, some positioning that I prefer.

One I do like that Chrome has that FF does not (as far as I know) is if a web page url is highlighted, it has an option for "go to www.".

There is also a "Paste and Go" but I know FF has one in the making (beta stage as of now).

 

while i hate that (and thus don't have my tabs on top), it's entirely doable in firefox with some addons (or at least, was).

for the go to www., check out textlink. you can doubleclick any www.someurl.com and it opens in a new tab. (and has tons of settings).

but one thing, yeah, firefox default ui is not really pretty, and quite bloated.

my layout

 

Speaking about the layout... Dave originally configured mine - then I recently rebuilt it (after writing down which add-ons I need)

This is how it looks:


I like IE8 too... but no KIS = no advertisement blocker, means Firefox for me.

And if something is ugly...
to me that's Chrome, Iron (portable I have for Wave) and Opera 10.5...

 

Ya. I have been looking around for the tab's on top of the browser for FF, but have come up short so far.

As for the textlink, I will have to try that. Was trying one out a little bit ago, but apparently it didn't work in 3.6.

You have pretty much the same layout as me.

 

Firefox is great, but they definately have to sort out the memory leak issues, and implement separate processes for each tab.

I rely on quite a few Firefox plugins, namely NoScript, Rikaichan and AdBlock Plus. Obviously it's easy enough to get ad blockers for most browsers, and Rikaichan has recently been ported to Chrome. I'm not aware of an equivelent to NoScript (in quite the same manner, at least).

Seems strange to criticise the GUI, it's not massively different to the competition (Chrome aside). Chrome looks pretty if you like that style (I'm not convinced that I do, though), though they've recently added Personas to Firefox. IE8 looks similarly workmanlike, but it's a tad more confusing to find the simplest of options.

 

the memory leak myth they'll never get rid of. even while they currently mostly have the least amount of memory used compared to other browsers.

 

It's no myth, I've encountered it many times, though admittedly not within the last year or so.

 

which shows that it, maybe, got fixed over a year ago? which makes it a myth to still exist nowadays and "has to be fixed".

most likely, it's fixed since quite some time (well, it's not just one bug, but several. and all the major ones got fixed at least), but people still blame it.

problem is, for some, memory bugs can still exist, but are because of some addon messing up.

core firefox without an addon shouldn't leak any memory anymore in normal usage (means running for half a day or so)

 

I absolutely love Firefox, but don't leave the house for a week with it open. You'll come back to it using 400mb of ram. The fan was also blowing hard. It's easy to avoid, just close your browser more than once a week.

 

Firefox and Flash player don't go together well.

 

Hmm... better than IE8 and Flash for me...

What happened a lot on IE to me was that the process didn't close when I closed the browser.

 

IE 8 with flash is fine for me. Only FF 3.6 lags (scrolling, clicking bookmarks, etc) on start up with flash filled web pages, which becomes stable after sometime.

 

Hmm... interesting...

Is that every flash site?

 

Poll FAIL

I love firefox + adblock + noscript