Raise your hand if your getting really sick and tired of Windows Vista!

You are running Norton ? (!!!!!) then no wonder you are having instability problems. Uninstall that crap piece of commercial software right away! Stick with a free and stable one like Avira AntiVir or AVG Free, or Avast!

anyway, Norton is like the King of the Hill when it comes to low-performance, instable, bloatware that is supposed to help keep your system "secure and high performing" -it's a sham...

 

Raise your hand if you're tired of people dissing Vista..

*Raises hand*

 

vista is alot better than xp, but then again my freaking windows won't stop crashing because of thumbnails, why include it if it going to crash the explorer all the freakin time, i want to view my files without opening them, but that's on any windows OS, away from that my comp haven't crashed(except from my failure) and has been fine

 

It's a bit troubling. But Vista does the job. For gaming I'd take XP at the moment.

 

I've used my T500 with Vista 64-bit for more than a week now, of various intensive and normal tasks - it actually hasn't crashed on me at all. Truth be told, I did get annoyed with UAC very quickly, and disabled it on the 3rd day. But since then, Vista's been running very nicely. So no hands up for me.

 

Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition 10 is a very good antivirus. None of the Norton bloatware. It's very light. My start-up is slower because I turned auto-protect on so it always scans certain files that were modified at boot but it's not something that bothers me.

 

Vista is okay. It does the job, and isn't as bad as everyone says. I haven't had any crashes that weren't caused by me doing something stupid .

The one issue I have with vista is the resource usage. It certainly uses lots of extra resources for a comparatively small change in user experience over xp. I've got a good enough laptop that it doesn't matter too much though.

 

After over a year of use, my computer crashed for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I had a lot of applications running and over 30 Firefox pages going at the same time.

 

I posted my Perfmon on another site, figured I might as well post it here.



That's fairly typical. It dips more for dumb stuff like "I saw you close a window and I don't know why, it must be an error!" than anything real.

My desktop never crashes. My laptops never crash. My work PCs never crash. They all run Vista x64.

 

*Raises Hand and tells himself its another one of those things in life that you have to live with* *Pets dog as he sits in his rocking chair*

 

I mistakenly thought that's what a forum is for - opinions. And a fun forum is where those opinions are lively, and yet not personal . But back to Vista... not many people can give a meaningful reason to tolerate its bloat over XP (let alone pay to "upgrade"). The main one is the GUI (ie eye candy as I said). But I guess if I wanted to be boring I'd add that for PC novices, Vista is probably a safer proposition as it is a more controlling nanny, protecting those people from themselves, oh, and you can hot swap with e-sata. Other than that, give me the speed, control and backward compatibility of XP any day!

 

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Lets just not start another flame war shall we?

Yes but an obviously biased opinion/ fan boy will only get bashed by people.

@Ryan45

I've got issue with Vista when it first released and on my previous relatively low-end notebook but with the released of SP1, its been a lot better. Now I'm on my new machine and its running perfectly performance wise, even so, I've yet to experienced any crashes that's not me-doing-stupid-things related.

You might want to try updating your drivers as they most of the time cases the crash.

 

AVG is obviously much much better than Norton.

 

Er I don't know since I have no experience with it. I'm referring to his 1st, 2nd and 4th sentences. I personally think that with the recently NIS 09 or other similar product, that statement is unfair.

I've edited my quote to avoid confusion.

 

Let's try to stay on topic, guys. Thanks.

 

i cant say if Vista still has issues because my HDD is running damaged for past few months..so i have glitches and freezes.

before that..i remember Vista SP1 was quite stable...i could do my work..save it and close it.

 

As I already said many times on this forum: Vista is much more stable and user friendly than any other Microsoft OS.
Vista has a lot more compatibility out of the box, no need for a cohort of driver cds, just plug in your keyboard, mouse, digital camera, mp3 player, printer and lets go, it does not ask for the driver, it just installs it.
It does not have quirks after more 1 year of use. XP systems were buggy and full of quirks after 1 year of continuous use, after 1,5 year you had to reinstall them.

 

i raise my hand
yesterday i successfully installed xp on my dv5t thx to that thread by joshua wood
i will never try vista again , i hope i had the option to buy my notebook for 100 or 150$ if it comes with no OS
i don't think i will try windows 7 either , windows xp for gaming and linux for the internet .....

 

I guess I got this out of my system when I went thru the initial HELL of Windows 95...I wanted 3.11 back so badly....but looking back, I can't imagine how much it would have sucked if I had clung to 3.11 for several more years while the world moved ahead!

 

Raise my hand too,vista sucks
everyday new problem....

 

Fed up of VISTA!!!! Roll on windows 7.

fattail95

 

Man, another Vista hating thread and I fell for it again!

 

I am sick and tired of these and more:

This is my doggone computer so I don't need permission to do anything!


The darn program installed correctly. Why doesn't it think so?


Why do I need to jump through the hoop to make a change of a simple text file?


Just one example of a program that needs to be manually run as an administrator.



Again, another annoying prompt that slows productivity!

And finally, one of the most ridiculous thing in Vista. This is not from me but I posted the picture from another site:

 

Lol, i hate those too, stupid vista!

Another thing that i hate is that when deleting some files, it won't let me remove all the directories, because they are in use, even though i haven't touched them with any application. Anyhow, it says that another process is in the way of deletion, but it doesn't say WHICH!? Why in the **** can't it just say which process it is or take me to it so i can delete whatever i want whenever i want!
I usualy have to wait an hour or a half then it's totally deleteable, i don't get it as i never do anything more than i did before when waiting!

 

Yeah yeah I know I have Norton 360. It came with my laptop and I thought I would give it a try. My account expires on March 25 and I prefer McAfee. Day 2, and the taskbar hasn't crashed yet! I think it might be the overload of processes that I had going. Apparently, it was 95 under the Task bar manager as right now it is 82. Is this too high of a number for processes ? Like I said before guys, it's not that I hate Vista. It's just annoying when it happens to me sometimes.

 

vista bashing is intense here i dont mind it i turn off the UAC so i dont get the pop -ups and im ready for windows 7 the real windows vista

 

Because you are either installing old software, or the developer of that software did not make sure that his installer could handle the differences in the ways that Vista manages the registry (virtualisation etc) compared to XP.

If the program was written properly for Vista, you wouldnt get that prompt.

Vista was readily available as RC1/beta for what, a year? Hardware and software developers were lazy to see the changes with Vista compared to XP.

Thats funny. But seriously, can you not see that is a bit of a exceptional one off? I own a DSLR and frequently download tens of GB's of RAW files, and transfer speeds are perfectly acceptable.

 

Just give your drive permission to work on. It is an NTFS system like any is (including high end server systems with thousands of users and groups). just give permission to everyone to read and write, and replicate that to all folders and files.
*solved* (and only happens on disks that got formatted with wrong permissions on xp)


it thinks it may not be installed properly because it was not ran as an admin, and tried to write to folders where non-admins have no right to (windows folder, programs folder, etc). it may still work, or not, depending on the _need_ for the files of that old program to be at the target folder. that's why it requests to possibly try it again as an admin.


because it is a textfile in a system folder. you shouln't mess with data in a system folder. if you want to permanently change that file in the windows folder (you shouldn't), just change the permission of the file to allow that.


right click on the application, set "run as admin" in the compatibility tab, and it will automatically run as admin from then on. or get an updated version that fixes it by itself. or give the program the possibility to manipulate it's target files without admin rights (say, if it needs to save it's own config in it's own folder which happens to be the program files folder (it shouldn't, but some old apps do)).



you don't want to let your pc just open up all doors for hacker accesses on a wireless network you never where before, do you? that's why it forces you to agree with it. else, you would be open on any open wlan.


this was predating sp1 with a big chance. it got fixed after only weeks with first updates, and completely fixed with sp1. yes, it was annoying at first.

if you actually know your system, then you don't have any problems with it (that you can't fix with 2 or 3 tiny clicks).

 

how about fixing the reasons why you have "too much" uac popups? uac is a great security helper. and in normal cases (even normal support cases) you shouldn't see more than one, two of it.

if you see one for a certain app every time, or by accessing a frequent file, you should update the app andor fix the permissions so you won't have the problem anymore.

the fact that uac got reduced in win7 will only lead to similar security exploits like in xp. i'll change the win7 uac back to "normal" means secure in win7, and won't need any virus scan software by then afterwards.

 

I've had a great time with Vista, both x86 and x64. Not to sound condescending, but most people who know how to use a computer responsibly, can easily adapt to the user model that Vista pushes.

Vista offers a much more flexible user privilege system, meaning that you don't always have to be the administrative user with all administrative powers, all the time, in order to get things done. You elevate your privileges temporarily when the need occurs, thus you're less likely to be caught with your pants down like so many botted XP systems out there today.

Some people hate this. They want their computers to automatically assume that everything that happens is really what the user wants - that "AwesomeFreeNkedGurlsMovey!!!.wmv.exe" really does need to delete C:\Windows\System32, that the cool Firefox plugin you just downloaded to access a free music site really should install "C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\0ewaeEewe.sys". These people want to install and uninstall several programs a day, and whine about having to click a "Continue" button to get permission to do so. These are the people who run AVG, NOD32, McAfee, Norton AV, Adaware, SuperAntiSpyware, Spybot S&D, ZoneAlarm, Dell Updates Center, Dell Helpdesk, Dell Wireless Software Suite, etc, and wonder why their computers start up slowly.

Worse yet are the people who uninstall everything, remove all AV, disable UAC, run as administrator, and claim to be safe because "I know what I'm doing."

I think there are a lot of voices out there that complain about Vista, but once you start reading these threads, ask how many are just complaining, rather than asking for help with the issues that they face? How many are simply "My HP computer is really slow and my friend said that Vista sucks, I'm going to install this XP thing that I downloaded from BT." I think many of these sorts of threads speak more about the faults of Windows users more than the OS itself.

 

if people can't *insertbadwordhere* and moan around, they have nothing to do. since computers exist, people do nothing else but *insertbadwordhere* about them. that's normal. i got used to it (but it can still drive me crazy from time to time )

 

Vista is great. I've had maybe 1 BSoD with vista since April '07 (when I got it), and I've had over 3 with windows 7 beta. Ant recently I've started to tweak Vista that that I have some more time, and my list of issues practically disappeared.

The only probelm with Vista is that it's made to get everday tasks done for anyone, not matter what their hardware, right out of the box. If you do more than browsing the internet, you have to mold Vista to your PC. XP forces you to do that right off the bat.

And the majority of people who have no choice but to stay on XP are corporations that are using very expensive applications made for XP, and they can't afford to swtich. 90% of home users have every reason to switch.

 

Yup yup. Same here.

I agree with this, for the most part. Unfortunately, it's not just limited to computers either. *shakes head*

:laugh: I knew exactly what it was, but I still wanted to come in here and see what a lot of people were saying. To no surprise of mine, the same complaints prevail, even though most of them are either baseless or now irrelevant after SP1.

 

Vista works fine here.

 

:laugh: Windows 7 gave me a very similar estimate - 36000 some days - a couple weeks ago! Apparently no one ever filed a "send feedback" about that with Vista! I've got a screenshot of this in Win7 somewhere in the Win7 Bugs thread.

I used to be really sick and tired of Vista, but I've been using XP for 13 months now, so I no longer am. But if I put Vista back on my machine, I probably would get really sick and tired of it within half a week. It just does not get along with my (almost all post-January 2007) hardware.

Vista gave me all kinds of problems that were unfixable. True, some of them were compatibility with third-party programs, but these were programs that came out after XP, not in the Windows 3.11 era! And some of the problems were definitely with Vista itself. XP, on the other hand, just works.

 

I feel bad for the people in this thread. I know I personally choose windows, and that when I don't like something I give an earful of it to Microsoft - but wow, most of you must have had a gun to your head when you bought your computer.

If you don't like their OS, format it and get a new one. If you wish is was as good as Mac (whatever the hell that means), go buy a Mac and get the free sweater and pretentious glasses that come free in the box.

 

lol yeah people who bash vista doesn't know how to us it and/or doesn't have a good enough computer to run it. i remember the first time i got vista i was like egh it doesn't have this or i can't do that, but after a few days i was hooked and i can;t turn back to xp

 

I love this quote, only because it assumes so much. First off, just because you inherently own something does not mean you gain uninhibited rights to do anything you want with it. A gun owner is not automatically given a license to go shoot up a church. A gun owner is also not automatically assumed to be a perfect gun owner. Guns typically come with a safety mechanism for this reason. If no gun had a safety, the number of gun related accidents would be astronomical.

Back to your screenshot, the first thing that comes to mind is "do you move this external device between different computers?" If you do, then this is a perfectly reasonable dialogue. You may be 100% certain that this computer is your "doggone computer". Your computer on the other hand, appears to be 100% certain that the external hard drive connected doesn't belong to it. This dialogue tells you "I don't know this drive. Help me." What's really going on is the filesystem has an ID, and the ID ties to the PC it was originally formatted on. Vista (unlike XP) cares about this ID. NTFS in XP (circa 2001) didn't really focus on external hard drives since they were still kind of a rarity. The emergence of cheap USB hard drives that any local computer store sells means new security is needed.

Now then, if you do NOT move the hard drive between machines, then you do know of course that you can simply change the permissions of the entire drive and it will never prompt you for this again, right? I have an external drive, which I formatted on another machine and moved to this one. I got the dialogue you see there exactly ONE time. After that, seeing I wasn't going to move this drive again, I simply set the permissions to make this laptop the hard drive's "owner". That was a year ago. It has NEVER given me that dialogue once since then.

This is a poor and purposely incorrectly phrased question. C:\Windows is sacred. It's one of the places users are not supposed to be storing and changing stuff. Users storing and changing stuff in C:\Windows in the past broke enough installations that MS simply locked it down. It was a good idea. Windows is a consumer OS, designed for soccer moms and school children and secretaries. Remember that.

Many old apps do, because they were made assuming admin rights. This is bad form. Even MS is guilty of it. Years of this has led to many of the virus and trojan problems we see today. If users had become acclimated years ago to running things as a standard user, we'd have far less of these problems than we have now.

?? How frequently do you think people access the network and sharing center? Enough to "slow productivity?" Do you think the average user, or 99.9% of users, click that icon many times in a day? Do you think the user that does click that icon many times a day isn't aware that they can turn off UAC? UAC is clearly not for you. Why are you still whining about it? TURN IT OFF.

The crazy time remaining thing is hardly new. XP did it. Win2K did it. Win95 did it. I'm pretty sure Win 3.1 did it. The time is calculated in an accurate way, but the mechanisms that determine the time are simply unreliable. Other OS's aren't really any better at this, they simply get around it by not bothering to post the actual time, instead just using the bar as a numberless progress indicator.

You have a lot of angst and anger. Please, relax. Believe it or not there are a lot of people happily using Vista, and they will continue to do so. I do.

 

Not really raising my hand, but I never really liked it in the first place, so... :laugh:

 

Well, I don't have that many issues with VISTA other than random crashes and my 5.1 surround isn't working on Vista. Not really a problem since I log in XP 90% of the time.

But I agree that XP does run a lot faster and uses less resource. While DOING THE EXACT SAME THING.

Same with Win7. It does the same thing Vista does, but uses less resource. Making it feel faster than it does in Vista.

I know people here say whats the point in having all that ram if ur not going to use it. Problem is, Vista uses it for the wrong reason. My Thumbnails videos also loads faster in XP and Win7.

Try logging back to XP after using Vista for 1 year or so. You'll appreciate XP even more... I did. I mean, I notice a huge difference in speed and normal operation.

 

The thumbnails for photos loads slow in Windows 7 than XP or Vista, but I haven't looked at that again lately. XP is still faster for me in gaming, but I'm going to try out Vista again soon and see the difference with some new drivers and stuff. I can safely assume that Vista is somewhat hardware independent.

 

Yeah, it looks like I'll be sticking with Vista and opting out of Windows 7 this generation, due to the surfacing of draconian DRM in the beta. I'll at least wait a generation(one year after release), until the consumer files a class action lawsuit in the name of privacy and functionality. Check this out over on slashdot http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/16/2259257 . For just one instance of the new DRM, it's a really offsetting one, and one that is sure to raise a few million eyebrows.

 

New to Vista.
So far so good, but I haven't used it long enough neither stressed it as much in order to let potential problems come out.

Going a bit off topic here

I hate sound like a Microsoft employer but please do two things:

1. read around instead of start shouting wolf or anything of the like...
http://lifehacker.com/5154968/windows-7-seemingly-blocks-audio-capture

A small comment from this link

UPDATE: As noted by Ars Technica and many commenters, sound capture capabilities will vary from card to card, system to system, so one user's findings may not bear out for others. Apologies for confusion or disbelief—I tried to word it more as a water-testing thought than the Gospel Truth.

There are so many "computer people" out there simply loving to hate Windows that I personally do not believe nothing no more, unless it is documented as a bug or problem and backed up with real nice evidence. The rest is just ****. Windows is an OS. It has problems and doesn't always work as intended, but show me the one that does! (and that a 5 year old or a 89 year old can use, without ever having let eyes to a computer before...)

2. You can even search these forums...

This is just one thread thread.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=344645&page=7
And although it was posted in the DELL forums as you can see it concerns a lot of brands. Some abstracts from it...

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Actually this a long known issue.

It has been reported in Lenovo forums about a *year* ago...
http://forums.lenovo.com/lnv/board/m...cending&page=1
concerning DELL it has been mentioned for the first time around June 2008, as you can see at gizmodo.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/07/th...cording-2.html

Secondly, it is not a DELL issue. It appears to have to do with anti-piracy policies and stuff.

Thirdly it has appeared in notebookreview forums and even in DELL forums at least as back as October. Last answer in this thread dates Jan 16, 2009.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=270169

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And this is the reply from Baraja

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It's not a hardware or software issue, but a driver issue.

If you want to "record the sound that comes out of the speakers", just follow the steps detailed in my last post and enjoy the recovered funcionality.

Another problem is that you lose the middle earphone jack, if anyone cares about it.

But the ability to record the sound that comes out of the speakers is recovered just installing that driver. A proccess that will take you like five minutes, including the download of that 7 MB driver package.

The title of the thread is *wrong*. Dell isn't selling hardware-capped systems, but driver-capped systems.

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the DRM bla on slashdot is one of the worst and most stupid articles ever seen. it's completely unrelated to win7, and happens to be in vista, too. it's for normal usage close to non-harming at all as well.

it's a typical slashdot uhhletsbashwindows article and the fitting commentaries.

there are two things that windows controls (which are "drm").

one: it controls that the output of your pc can not be recorded directly again. this is normally never needed except for some ripping thing. and it should not be blocked except when you play some drm-blocked audio, which is not allowed to be recorded. could be for audio-cd's, too.

question is, how often are we REALLY affected by this. i'm in the music business a bit, producing electronic music, djing etc, and it was never needed. ordinary audio-recording is no problem.

while questionable, it's logical they have to block it, as it was one of the ways cdrip tools circumvented copy-protection. and circumventing copy-protection is illegal. supporting it would make windows illegal.


the other thing: blueray playback.
there is a protected path from the drive to the screen. this only for protected blueray (and hddvd) disks. i look at this like https. if you want to do stuff with your bank account, you want to be sure only you and the bank can communicate. same for bluerays. the blueray sellers want to be sure it goes from disk to display without possibilities to rip and illegaly distribute the movies. this protected path is the "https" from drive to screen.

it is a FEATURE that windows supports this. we wouldn't be able to watch blueray else. you don't have to bash microsoft for not making blueray freely accessible and copyable and all. else, they wouldn't get a licence to playback as well and get heavily sued. be thankful that they implemented that complex pathway, else we would have nothing at all.

and, in the end, again. win7 brings nothing new. it's vista sp2, vista in new clothing.

 

But would you buy a gun with a CPU and GPS that did things like, say, display an error when you pressed the trigger “sorry, but GPS indicates you are in a church - your pull of the trigger has just been auto-cancelled; thank you for using Smith & Wesson”. Really reassuring? The gun should be technically capable of being fired everywhere and anywhere, with the law/police/morals there to keep you in check if you misuse it. It is your “doggone” gun and it should never control you on its own, in church or otherwise. That belief is what makes us stand apart as free people.

If hendra is annoyed by the nagging old nanny that Vista is, he is entitled to his point. He is the operating system’s customer, not it’s subservient minion. Hello? reality check here – Vista must do what hendra wants, not hendra bow to the OS. If he does not like nagging (and if most others agree), then the next OS must eliminate it, unless the OS pays the user to install it, rather than vice versa. I do take your point that it is easily disabled and that there is probably some convoluted reason for the alert being there, but it is eclipsed by the wider issue.

Sorry, nothing, but nothing is sacred on a PC that I have paid my hard earned $ for, and that I have spent even more $ to put a legit OS on. Do you come from North Korea or something? You see, most other forum members will live in what we call “free societies”. So in my country, if I chose to buy a bottle of expensive champagne and pour it down the sink that is my business, not yours, my government’s or my computer’s. If I want to play around with my system files at my own peril, it is my doggone right. If I brick my computer, then so be it. The XP warning of ‘this is a system folder – enter at your own peril’ was quite adequate. Why you happily accept robotic auto-enforcement rather than guidance is difficult to understand (except maybe in the ex-USSR).

And a lot of those people often did not have a choice because MS is a "monopoly" or did not have time to delve into the issues. They just assumed that it was just an upgraded version of XP, rather than the DRM infested, non-backward compatible piece of nannying bloatware.

 

This is an old quarrel.
Vista is forced on most (say 95%?, let's make 99% if you go to a mall) of the laptops sold today. It's not a matter of having a gun pointed to one's head. It's a matter of not having a choice.
Yes, I know, now someone will post a link to one or two manufacturers some 5000 miles away that sell laptops with another OS, or without OS - or maybe of the single one model Mr. $BIGMANUFACTURER is selling with Linux. But that's not freedom of choice.

Should every single laptop be sold with the freedom to choose between Vista, XP, Linux and no OS at all, what do you think would happen to Vista's numbers?

 

Sorry mate, but you have got wrong way too many things here...

Of course you should be able to do waht you want with your PC, BUT you must follow the rules of the game!
Everything works based on a set of rules, if you want to change the rules, you want to play a different game and then you have no excuse complaining about it.

If Windows wants to protect its operating files and wants to be absolutely sure who is messing around with it, I am sorry but it seems normal. If you Want to erase the Windows folder, because it is not "sacred" be my guest. I will not be there hearing your complaints and those of your followers because the thing doesnt work!

Additionaly from the way you speak about your PC it seems to me that you actually are looking for a magic wand! I want this! and poof! the PC does it!!

Actually I am astonished (and I will certainly back up your petition) about the fact that we are obligated to buy mice in order to work with a modern PC! Since when mice became sacred?? My freedom gets violated!!!

 

Now that would be an interesting choice!
And I would be more than glad to add MacOS in the list!

 

If your imaginary GPS'd gun was in a church and pointed at me, then yes I'd probably want the user to have that model. The problem here is that the owner of the device, whether it is a gun or a computer, cannot be 100% trusted with the device. One of the reasons Blaster was allowed to happen is that users were oblivious to what was going on with their computers. Enormous botnets exist today because people are STILL oblivious what is going on with their computers. Vista's various security mechanisms are based on trying to prevent things like this.

Have you ever even used Vista before? Seriously.

If you really think that, you should not use Windows. The license agreement doesn't work the way you think it should. It hasn't for many years.

 

I just dont bother explaining to people how and why Vista does what it does, and the reason that it uses more memory than XP is because it caches frequently used programs for quicker loading times - whats the point i have 4GB RAM if you only want to use 200MB of it, because any more than that is BLOAT!!!!!

Win7 is built on the same kernel as Vista, yet everyone loves 7. Says a lot IMO.