Save Windows XP Petition

Didn't see this posted anywhere here, so thought I'd post for anyone who's interested:

Yahoo News Story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/59273;_ylt=Arso1XK62qF24jYRg9BBTYwDW7oF

Sign the Petition:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/

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My biggest objection is that Vista offers nothing compelling for me to upgrade, and has its huge share of driver, stability, and compatability issues. If it were a more or less flawless advancement from XP, I'd have no issues. Additionally, they change the whole interface and way to operate within the OS for no apparent reason. My $0.02

 

It's time to progress to the next level, people. Get Vista. It's a rock solid o/s with SP1. Seriously.

The only thing that's missing is the Horizontal Span mode for dual or multi-monitor setups.

 

Microsoft has already extended the sale date of XP to 2010. By then, windows 7 will be just around the corner. There's not much more "saving" of XP that can be done.

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I have to ask; have you used Vista for more than just 5 minutes? Most people that have trashed have never used it, but when they finally do, they realized its not as bad as everyone (the people who never used it in the first place) said it was. Give it a chance, you might change your mind.

 

I have to ask something else.





Why?



Why not just use the software that gets the job done?
Why upgrade if you have no need for an upgrade?
Why pay for a product you don't need?
Not everyone consider an operating system to be some kind of fashion statement.

To some of us, it's just there to boot the computer and allow us to launch our applications. XP is sufficient for that. Why upgrade?

 

Why Not?

and I actually like Vista over XP.

 

I'm going to skip Vista and wait till Windows 7, heh it isn't that far off.

 

While I personally prefer Vista, I do think they should keep offering XP as long as there's a substantial demand for it... which there certainly is right now.

 

Because he might end up liking Vista more than XP. You shouldnt knock something before you try it. And who knows, maybe he has used Vista and was completely disgusted by it. In that case by all means, stay with XP. But if he hasnt even tried it, i think he should at least give it a chance. I personally like Vista more than i did XP.

 

yea that makes sense the only reason i have vista is it came with my laptop. i cant really tell any differences, besides looks. if i didn't get vista for free(along with upgraded parts from my brother) i never would have re did my xp pc either. but i like them both, vista just requires better hardware. no point in getting vista if your happy where you are.

 

Agree with that.

 

I have tried Vista, it's damn annoying, I'm planning to buy my WinXP home edition soon (since mine was pre-installed). I will never consider to buy Vista when XP is still good enough.

 

Then why don't you come to my house and solve the issues that I need to solve before moving to Vista. Seriously, maybe you can make my programs that I use for a living (which are known to be incompatible with Vista) actually work with an OS they will never work with.

Why don't you solve the world's problems of legitimate problems with Vista? Pre and post-SP1?

Just because you have zero problems with Vista doesn't mean that no one is allowed to have a real problem with Vista.

 

My thoughts exactly.

The "pro Vista" people aren't trying to deny that there are problems with Vista, but a vast majority have been dealt with and more will be dealt with in the future. I do think it's a bit ridiculous to have petitions going on now. That's a bit much, especially since XP had just as many problems when it was Vista's age.

 

Sure. Send me a plane ticket Greg and I'll be right over.

Have you actually tried said programs in Vista? In Compatability Mode? Or are you going by hearsay? How about the software vendors? Do they offer alternate or updated versions that you may or may not need to pay for that work with Vista?

No one says you NEED to get rid of XP. Why not dual boot?

All I'm saying is if the opportunity arises people should make the move. I bet 90% of the Vista naysayers have never actually tried Vista.

Why continue clinging on to a sinking ship? Eventually the fact is XP will be abandoned by Microsoft. Understandably people will try to hang on (make sure you've got an archived copy of XP and all patches and service packs!) but as hardware and software progresses XP will become another Dodo bird.

And, for being a 'moderator', asking me to "solve the world's problems" is a bit harsh, don't you think?

 

Heck, I'm a lot closer. I'll look at it for a steak dinner. OH, what's that burger place up there? Triple X? Mmmmm

Every new Windows version involves incompatibility and stability issues. It's progress. It will continue with Win 7. No matter what side of the fence you're on you have to agree that Microsoft does a pretty good job considering the thousands of different hardware possibilities they have to deal with.

If I were MS I would completely drop backwards compatibility with Win 7. Start from scratch, drop the registry, etc. Of course the uproar would be deafening.

Use what you like, what has the best compatibility for your purpose, what suites your mood. You've got 2 1/2 months to buy a fresh copy of XP, if that's your choice.

 

If they did that, they would probably be signing their own death warrant. The main reason people stick with Windows through the versions and hassles is because if the massive base of software that you can't get elsewhere. If MS nuked backward compatability, I think for the first few years, people would hang on for dear life to XP/Vista, but as more and more devs started developing for other platforms, people would migrate away from Windows.

 

I like DOS.

 

I'm speaking based on die-hard-core first hand experience Signal2Noise.

They just don't work. The last time I tried it was about a week ago, when I re-installed Vista for another test I was running. Software vendors stopped updating the programs a few years ago, and I need them for my work at my university.

Granted, software compatibility problems are slowly fading away... but I still have issues with a few select things I need on a daily basis.

I wish you could solve the world's problems regarding MS OS's.

For me, XP just works...and I don't have to fight to get things working. To me, that makes it #1 over Vista right now...for my needs.

Believe it or not...that burger joint is still in business too. Not bad, though I haven't been there in a few years.

 

because vista gets the job done.
there is no real "need" to upgrade though i agree.
why did you pay for XP? when linux can be had for free?
vista is not a fashion statement. vista is an operating system, that seems to many people to be rock solid.

 

XP is "good enough" but vista is better

and have you ever thought that you can make vista not "damn annoying"?

 

WRONG, Windows vista packages an email client software called "windows mail", its so freaky annoying to work with imap accounts. It gets stuck most of the time and it totally freezes while you do any small task like marking email as read in imap folders. This was not the problem in windows xp outlook express. Do you understand importance of emails? OMG, its 2008 and Microsoft even can not provide decent (forget robust) email client with its fancy windows OS.

Windows vista have serious problems with TELNET. TELNET is very basic software required to automate router configurations and 100's of other automated administration tasks, you won't believe TELNET (the most oldest software) do not works properly in windows vista.

Windows MAIL and Telnet. Both very very extremely basic independent application do not work properly in windows vista.

I don't even want to talk about other software incompatibilities with windows fanboys like you. People like you won't even mind if Microsoft throws rocks on your home and break your window glasses. Hey its for progress how the hell you will put new fancy glasses on your windows, its microsoft, its progress, lets break whole house and build a new one just on the name of progress.

Just for your information, I am not linux or mac fan... but it really comes on my nerves when people like you don't understand problems of others and keep posting their useless suggestions without understanding real problems.

Whats new in fashion in 2008 ?
Windows Vista Sucks t shirts and pants.

 

for that matter....everyone stop wearing clothes....apparently progress is prohibited in MaxBerry world. lets stop driving cars...hell lets stop using computers....OMG

 

Harpreet, my microsoft fanboy friend, listen, its not use of driving a broken cars, whos breaks, ABS, airbags system do not work!! its better you drive one year old car from same car maker until they fix problems with breaks, airbags etc. in their latest version of car. Do you get my point or you are really the kind of person who don't mind riding broken car and killing people on street including yourself?

 

Really, enough about your email troubles! Windows Mail is a very simple program not designed to work well with enterprise email solutions. MS could very well include a robust email solution with Windows, but they won't. Why? Lawsuits and antitrust. Media Player, Internet Explorer, why add email to the fray?

BTW, it's 2008. I know the importance of email. Do you know the importance of alternative software? Outlook, TheBat, Eudora, Thunderbird, etc, etc, etc.

Did you investigate Vista's telnet implementation before you bought it? If not, then don't blame MS. You can also install XP or a Linux variant.

Why are you personally attacking me? You don't know me. You've never met me, and hopefully never will. What I posted is, was, and will be the truth.

I'm very sorry that you are upset about aspects of Vista that don't meet your needs and/or expectations. Step back. Take a breath. Figure out a solution, that doesn't involve attacking me personally, and fix it. There are quite a few solutions to your problems. Your time will be better spent implementing one of those solutions.

 

first things first, vista and a broken car do not compare. more like the cupholder being the "wrong size" or the seats being too big. your similes and metaphors make no sense to me.

 

Windows Mail is a seriously stripped down & half-baked version of OE. Not only is imap compatibility wonky, this program does not even support Microsoft's own email server protocol (forcing migration to Windows Live).

I will admit to eventually liking Windows Live though (even if it's not a part of Vista). It reminds me of Office Outlook somewhat......

 

find my replied in BOLD

 

which means if you can't get your e-mails working properly, you don't have the right to remain in business?

 

I would consider that enterprise level. The majority of people don't check 10's (20?) email accounts through IMAP

HP
DELL Business
Compaq
Lenovo
NewEgg - 87 different models

You can be absolutely certain that if I am purchasing anything ever $200 I will know everything possible about it that I can find or research.

I'll know if the brakes are 4 wheel disk, disk front - drum rear, ABS, etc.

I also wouldn't expect Ford brake pads to work on a Pontiac.

The terms "Fanboy" or Fanboi" are considered derogatory. This entry from Wikipedia uses terms such as stereotypical and obsessed. Neither of which am I. I research and use the tool that best suits me and the job at hand. I also do not chastise others for having differing opinions.

Let's just say I work in the broadcast industry and make above minimum wage.

We generally don't pay salaries to our hardware or software.

No matter what software you have/use it will always have bugs or annoying traits. I have VERY expensive proprietary control software that has many bugs and annoying traits, but it generally performs well at it's intended tasks, though there are some features that have not worked since it's introduction in 2001. The development company regularly provides updates to fix discovered bugs, correct broken features, and add items we're asked for.

No one is forcing anyone to upgrade. If your software functioned well on your old XP laptop continue to use it. Buy a used one on eBay. Repair the one you have. The point is YOU have choices.

Again, the point is YOU have choices. NO ONE is forcing you to use Vista, or XP, or 98, or Linux, or OS/2. You can even have more than one OS on the same computer!

 

I'm not trashing it, and yes have used it extensively - look at my desktop rig in my sig (Windows Vista 64-bit). I didn't buy it and dislike it because I'm a masochist.

Problem is that Vista offers nothing compelling for users to upgrade.

XP offered a myriad of improvements over Windows 98/ME, namely stability, security, and robust networking.

Vista offers nothing new except Aero. If anything they screwed up more than fixed. They changed the whole navigation interface (folders on bottom instead of top), no simple way to access windows explorer, wonky software install issues (as in no shortcuts created).

Give me just ONE significant advantage to Vista over XP and I'll consider upgrading. I've used Vista, as I built my new gaming desktop and installed Vista, and tried to get it to work, but there were way too many driver issues, xp software compatability issues, and overall annoyances that I couldn't get done what I needed to, as quickly as I needed to. I ended up *buying* another copy of XP Pro just so I could run what I needed to.

I'm not object to upgrading, just give me significant improvements, and flawless compatability with apps that ran fine in the previous OS, that will make me want to upgrade. Not force DirectX 10 into the new OS and use that as your only real reason. And with DirctX 10 being released for over a year now, no developers have even thought to deliver a game DirectX 10 only (except Microsoft of course).

I know of many people that bought new laptops with Vista and are thoroughly frustrated with it. A large part of it is that the stock machines come with 512MB or 1GB which is bare minimum for running Vista (for no good reason either). Sure 2GB is recommended, and 3GB preferred, but that maxes out the 32-bit memory addressing anyhow. If Vista was 64-bit only from the get-go it would have forced developers to design for 64-bit and not drag out 32-bit for another five years. If Vista is hungry for 2-3GB, then why not use 64-bit where you can address dozens of GB of RAM.

 

Sales have not been extended. Only support was extended to 2010. Sales end June 30, 2008.

 

+1 rep for thinking of me as some sort of messiah.

 

I'm really inspired and in honor of this I'm going to take action.

I'm going to start a petition to save acid-washed jeans and New Kids on the Block.







ps. Let it die...

 

Sry about double post; my connection dropped.

 

Well, im not gonna lie; I have an XP desktop and a Vista laptop so i know some of the differences. And your right, pretty much anything Vista can do, XP can do as well (at half the resources even). But since you only want one reason, ill use the ONLY ONE i can think of off-hand.

Vista's support will go past 2010

Oh, and i would imagine that developers dont use DX10 because it probably doesnt offer anything compelling to upgrade. Well, that and the fact that people still use XP so if it was DX10 only, their sales would have a nice decline because a lot of the people that game still use DX9.0c

 

When i started reading this thread i thought i would find good comparison between two OS not just personal opinions based on basic instinct. What MaxBerry did (whether i agree or not) is post his objective remarks as why he does not like Vista. Kindly tell us why you like either OS.

 

Perhaps, but so does XP.

Who says I did?
I get both XP and Vista for free from my university.
As for why I don't run Linux? Well, actually I do, sort of. But Linux doesn't run my games, and it isn't easy to develop Windows applications on it, so for a lot of things I need some kind of Windows. And when I'm forced to use Windows a lot of the time in any case, I might as well use it as my primary OS.

To many people it is. To those who believe that it is worth upgrading just because it's newer. Not because of any specific functionality, but because it's the latest thing. You'll find a lot of posts in this thread expressing this exact sentiment.
And while they might not have worded it like that, I'd say it sounds a hell of a lot like a fashion statement to me. Using a product because "it's the new big craze"?

I don't see it as that. I'd be happy to run an OS from 1978 if it did what I needed.

Perhaps. But XP is also rock solid. And when all your fancy new product is offering is "we can do the same as our 8 year old product", well, pardon me for not rushing to buy three copies.

Yes, I know that's inaccurate. I know Vista can do a few things that XP can. But except for one, none of them matter to me. I don't count it as a plus (or a minus, for that matter), that an OS can do things I'll never need.

(The one feature that I do miss from Vista is the search thingy in the start menu. That's neat. Although I'd rather have a proper Linux-style terminal, but that doesn't really work well with the Windows software ecosystem)

 

Finally someone offers to stop the endless loop of emotion-based OS bashing.


OK, here's what I don't like about Vista.
I have two applications that do not Work in Vista 32 but run fine in XP. Hopelessly dead.

One is cell phone manager and the other is a graphics prog.
I got lucky to find a $30 substitute for the first one. But I had to write my own app to replace the $$$$ graphics prog.

All that because the Vista "XP compatibility mode" is only words without real world weight.

I don't like Vista due to these two specific problems.

 

you did..see below...and if you can get it for free, why complain?

somebody will eventually "need" vista..once xp support has diminished. but that's far into the future.

Many people here didn't go out, and buy the OS to upgrade, most purchase new laptops with vista. and after some time of using it, most are happy. can we please not continue with the "i want to upgrade", since most users purchased systems with vista pre-installed please?

i agree with you here.

which thing is that?

 

Can we also sign a petition to keep Hypercolor shirts alive?

 

I did what?
And I'm not complaining. Others might be, but I'm perfectly happy to use the OS of my choice. The one thing I *do* occasionally complain about is the need of some Vista zealots to try to "convert" me.

That will be, at the earliest, in April 2010. By then, isn't there a decent chance that 7 will be out? (Or it will be just around the corner, at least)
But perhaps you're right, and of course, *then* there will be a real incentive to switch to another OS than XP.

True. A lot of people use it because it was thrown in their face when they bought a computer. I was mostly commenting on those going "Did you try Vista for more than X minutes? If you did, I'm sure you'd see how awesome it was".
As I said, I don't see the point in trying to "convert" people to your OS of choice. You're not getting royalties from Microsoft, and you're not increasing the total world happiness. So use the OS you prefer, and let me use the one I prefer.

 

I would like to see what would happen if Windows 7 turns out to be a bust and XP support is done for. What will people do then? I'm not knocking anyone who chooses to stay with XP. I use both and like both a lot. Each offers me something that the other does not. I'll likely continue using both until the new OS comes out in a few years.

 

Well, I can only speak for myself, of course, but I'd say it's obvious. What people will do then is the same as they do today. Choose among the alternatives.

Today, the we can (on the Windows side) choose between XP and Vista. In the opinion of some, XP wins that one.

Two years from now, whne (if) XP support is ended, we'll be able to choose between Vista (which by then will be much more mature, of course), and the unknown Windows 7 (if it's out yet).

And if 7 fails for one reason or another, either by sucking, or by being delayed, the choice is down to 1. Vista or... Vista. In which case I'd probably choose Vista.

 

Actually, I don't agree with saving XP. Sure Windows Vista isn't the best choice due to its flaws, but come to think about it, is Windows XP really a better choice? Windows XP saw the light of day in 2002. It's great, but I'm tired of it looks and functions. I've used it for years...

I just sign that Windows Vista please fix it's flaws so that it becomes a preferable operating system.I'm not giving up on Vista...

 

I agree; use what works for you, i just think people should give it a shot before they bash it. And if people have and dont like it, by all means use XP if that works.

I just have one question....where did you see.... "Did you try Vista for more than X minutes? If you did, I'm sure you'd see how awesome it was".?

 

My original post was not a Vista bash. Just links to those that want XP to continue to be sold past June 30, 2008, at least until Microsoft offers a viable alternative or compelling real reason to upgrade.

People want XP, why not sell it? Microsoft wins either way. Money for XP, or money for Vista. What's the big deal?

 

I fully agree on this one. An educated customer would not buy a laptop with vista if he would game or use some sort of special hardware or software.
Among the worst things I experienced in Vista were gaming, lack of driver support(on so many thing and softwares that I`m too tired to even list) and the resource hog feature.
Vista wasn`t thrown in my face, I chose it,becase I already had XP and wanted to compare the 2.
Having dual booted for a long time and having gotten fed up of the driver disasters,especially in x64,I one day stopped booting Vista.
Head on head, Xp does the job faster,needs less horsepower and even though Vista might be more secure, XP as an OS is utilitarian, it does the job,it`s reliable,everyone knows it ,can use it properly and you can game at its finest.
Why in the world would MS even offer SP3 if they did not know people still wanted XP ? Sad to say it, but an 8 year old OS is still better today than Vista.
Sure,there`s superfetch,there`s DX10,there`s turbo memory.
But do we really need it at the cost of performance and 1 gb idle-ram usage?
I think not. Once Vista will get more mature,I`ll start reusing it again.
Until then, petition signed,Vista needs to grow up.

 

They need to bring back DOS or Windows 3.11 for Workgroups. They worked more efficiently and used less system resources than XP.

Give me a freakin' break! When Microsoft rolled out XP, everyone complianed for several years that it was not as good as Windows 95. Now, Vista is not as good as XP.

Suck it up, move on and adopt the new operating system. Or, move to Linux or Mac OS/x.

Windows 7 will be released and XP will no longer be supported and then, everyone will be pining for Vista because Windows 7 is not as good as Vista. Whoa is me!

 

I believe you should use what you want to use. If you use XP and you like it, use it. I suggest you try out vista if you've never used it though, nice piece of software, but still needs some improvements we'll hopefully see in Windows 7. If you use Vista and you like it, use it. Like vista over XP? Great, but don't be aggressive when telling others vista is good. It's like someone telling you "Stop using that POS vista, use Windows ME it's the best." or "Use Internet Explorer, Firefox is god awful." Just suggest it and hope the person tries it.