Vista users will cry now: Windows 7 confirmed

I'm all for progress and all.. but, darn.. today I was finally able to put some $$ together and bought my long-awaited new computer.. and just right after that, I read that they're coming up with a new OS very soon! If I was able to wait all this time to buy a new computer, I could've waited just a little bit longer, and get the next big thing right? LOL.. I know, it's just it's late here..

Anyway, back to serious business. I haven't tried Vista yet. But I think I agree with those who say that Vista is not a failure at all. It's just people having a hard time switching from an OS that they've been accostumed to for like 7 years. That makes complete sense to me.

 

In w7 I'd think more internet services....

I WISH people would perform some research on this if they don't know or understand it. Google "windows 7 subscription" and read over the info.... a subscription based os would be optional.... NOT required... so you look at the options and go subscription, if you want. If not, there is nothing for you to fret over.

But MS is not even saying this will go forward.... I personally doubt it, I don't see a reason for it in the consumer market, except for maybe "mom n pop" businesses and other "small" businesses. Larger companies already have something similar to a subscription...

Although, it might be nice to have a yearly subscription based on the number of machines you have IF ms updates on a regular basis and those updates are included... paying seven years for a subscription to an OS that is not updated won't cut it... lol I'm talking more office products here... order what you need and pay a yearly subscription.... might work.

 

Microsoft updates every week, so you don't have to worry about inactivity from them. Though the "Ultimate Extras" experiment completely tanked.

 

Well, i guess i didnt know.

I thought people will really carry on a HEALTHY discussion..


now i will be careful in future.


I have a newbie deep inside.

 

Tip #1: Don't start your threads with "Vista users will cry" and attempt to have a healthy discussion.

That's like me starting a thread "nocturnal310 is stupid. Let's discuss this in a mature manner."

 

*glares*

Some of us still run DOS games and programs.

How dare you dis on DOS! I will always keep a 32-bit computer close to my heart.

 

I have seen threads like yours on other forums... it depends on the members.... on here you have a lot of kids or those who think in one way (everyone else is wrong).

You have to keep things "light" around here.... great notebook information though.

 

Can't you just run the program in 32bit mode in 64bit Windows?

 

I think DOS requires 16-bit extensions, which 64-bit versions of Windows do not support.

 

Microsoft has always mentioned using the business licensing model for consumer OSes...I remember that back when XP first started. Its no different than exploratory committes people start when they want to see if they'll run for president. They're just kicking around ideas and bloggers and analysts take it as gospel.

 

wow i didn't think this thread would last this long.... lol what a joke

 

They always start making their next OS as soon as one is released, nice try though

 

Actually, they started win 7 while making vista... there was a video on it some time ago.

 

MS is always in developement otherwise Mr. Gates would be paying them for doing nothing! They're not only doing Windows but in other specialized fields.. business, military and sciences.

Vista and XP shares a lot of common features and is not that much different.

 

I really don't see the point in Windows 7 if it IS backwards compatible. If you want to really innovate and make a great new OS, you have to leave the past behind. That said, I don't know if they could pull it off. Their OS's are so widespread, especially in the business sector, all hell would break loose if however many tens of millions of computers needed to have their OS upgraded. I guess it could be done slowly if they kept support for XP around longer than they would otherrwise though.

I use both XP (on desktop) and Vista (laptop) and I agree with kanehi that there is very little difference between the two. Vista certainly looks better, and I like it more for that reason, but honestly, it is like the same thing. People got soooo used to XP, and had it for so long, they have forgotten about the hiccups they had with the OS because it was so long ago.

Back to what I said originally, I am hoping for a brand new thing. I'm on 32bit Vista but would gladly upgrade to 64bit for the right thing, my computer is capable. If it isn't something worth changing for, I won't. I would NEVER consider going to a mac when a mac pro comparable to what I have costs over 3x what I paid for my lappy. Linux looks better and better everyday! I'm sure it will be much more compatible with other programs by the time "windows 7" is released too!

 

The thread title should've been "XP users will cry MORE now Windows 7 confirmed!" I read the petition to keep XP is around 100,000. Insignificant to MS when there are millions of users. At least MS will offer support until 2014. But the EOL (End Of Life) of XP is coming soon. So now who's crying?!? Poor babies. Vista users are content with their choice.

 

I am expecting Windows 7 to be Real real Stable & compatible when its released.

some Intuition i think

As for XP..i think its time to Move on guys..

XP is old generation Interface... its not even close to what the World has to offer.

it doesnt have Search, Aero, sidebar

Also, it looks lame now..


what do u think?

BUT for business users XP FTW

 

First of all, the fact that there is a petition is utterly ridiculous to me. C'mon. Loving and wanting to hold on to XP as a personal choice is one thing, but I think it's just ridiculous to have a petition as if to force the corporation to hold on to it. Look, they're going to move on at some point. Get over it. To those who have legitimate problems, then you have a justifiable reason not to want to get rid of XP. However, I'm willing to bet you are the minority. Most of the people who dislike (or even hate) Vista are people who don't know much about it, never gave it a chance, and will never give it a chance because of something a "friend of mine said." It's pathetic.

However, the fact that it's only at 100,000 is saying a lot, even though a lot of common users probably don't even know such a petition exists. I'm sure a vast majority of computer aficionados do know about it, and it's still such a small number of signings.

 

100k is insignificant compared to the whole population (in millions) and that's only in the US. How about the rest of the world? Hmmm... MS will sacrifice losing those true blue users and go forward with their plans. It's a lost cause.

 

Already after Vista lot of people have moved on to Macs...
some famous personalities are Chris Pirillo, then lot of other famous geeks.

Problem is that Vista was released too early..

if it was released AS SP1 then it would have been a Big Big hit worldwide.

what do u think?

 

Famous personalities using Macs! Oh me oh my.. who the heck cares! Should I also buy cars that they drive? Get a life! I don't follow trend setters, I choose my own path. I think this thread should be closed!

 

I really don't see how a Mac is practical unless you use it for photo or video editing. You can get a computer equivalent to a MacBook Pro for under $1000, when the same MacBook Pro costs about $3000. I have nothing againts Macs, I just don't get why you'd spend all that extra money.

 

I think everything that can be said has been said. This debate should be sunk into the deep dark abyss of Xbox v. PS3 and Horses v. Unicorns.

Final Thoughts: Use whatever you want. I don't give a darn. If you need a linux box, get a linux box. If you want XP, use XP. If you want Vista, use Vista. If you want to buy an $18,000 flashy, gold-blinged computer, buy one - and feed Africa while you're at it.

I mean don't get me wrong - I WILL point and laugh, but all you have to do is ignore me like everyone else in this world. That way, we'll just go our merry ways, and I don't have to hear this BS anymore. Which is really the best part. I mean, let's be honest, it's not the OS that's driving me crazy. It's you. Yes you, right there in the corner. You keep talking about it, and it's like a droning jackhammer pounding at my skull. So just stop it, stop it before I whip out my Unicorn, pink encrusted beating stick. And though you may act like a tough guy, you know you don't want that happening.

Thank you and goodnight.

 

Don't hold back...tell us how you really feel!

 

... three snaps and shashay. U go gurl! LOL

 

Just a couple points to keep things in perspective.

1) There are a lot of themes available for XP, nocturnal.
2) I know of two or three people/organizations that still run W2K.

 

That's problematic when 95% of the updates are based on user's feedback. They can't forsee which code line will have X problem on X hardware combination.

Just compare it with a MMO. Look how much they change between beta and 6 months after release

 

fwiw--a new version of windows might not be such a monumental task--a lot of things that were planned for Vista were stripped due to complications (winfs, more involved virtual folders functions, start menu action field). A new version may simply be vista with those features reinserted.

 

Agreed. Free thinkers no longer run things, unfortunately.

 

haha,

i was just mentioning a some guy but since that guy is famous people will be able to relate.

Its all upto u in the end..

I am using Vista..and i am quite Happy now..before SP1 i was soooo frustrated.

 

That's why I've been using SP1 since september

 

Well, perhaps Vista users do have something to cry about after all....
Looks like Even Microsoft is starting to admit "We screwed up". That's pretty drastic.

It's getting hard to argue that "this is just like when XP came out".

 

Link didn't work.

 

The Link ain't working ..

anyway..

Windows are popular for Bugs anyway...

If u wanna be less annoyed then go for Macs or Linux.

Time to Bury this Thread i guess

 

doh, fixed it.

 

on the same Page:

 

Now now, it`s not like every OS is perfect.
It`s just Vista that`s bad

 

I don't find Vista slow and irritating, so it is perhaps conceivable that he didn't have a good setup. I used a Mac OS the other day at the library, and I spend 30 minutes trying to use the card catalogue. It was extremely frustrating, but the librarian got it working, because she could tell when the program was not responding, and what to do about it.

The same could be said about a Mac user on Windows. I still recognize that the Mac OS doesn't have to be frustrating, even though I don't like it; I hope people realize the same about Vista.

On a side note, they had IE installed on this Mac!?!?! What the French toast, I thought. It's probably comparable to Netscape that they used to have on there in terms of suckishness, but at least Netscape is native, and would probably work a bit better on there anyways.

 

I don't want to say "I told you so", but I told you so.

Microsoft's biggest mistake? Delaying Vista and keeping XP out for 5 years

 

vista has been alright so far for me. no complaints at all. if windows 7 comes out lol everyone is going to be whining about how sucky that is also.

as for the Macs, its slow and confusing, nothing really shuts off, if u introduce mac to a first time user, they never get it right.. windows is really the standard, generally speaking.

mac and linux are the dirt and ms is in the suit, no matter how much people ***** about windows they still use it anyway! haha, so really no competition from Mac and linux.

 

choosing an OS is just a personal preference. any OS works but depending on which OS that best suits your needs is what you need to consider. vista is not bad but unstable. xp looks a bit boring but runs flawlessly at the moment. i have no idea about windows 7, i'll just wait and see.

personally, i don't mind using vista as an entertainment PC. for serious work, i depend on XP.

happy debating!

 

No arguments from me regarding Windows XP. Vista OTOH has been stable from day 1 and I run them on 2 machines. My problems with Vista are related to (1) performance issues, (2) annoying features and (3) WTF stupid moments.

1) Windows XP runs games much faster and smoother than in Vista. IOW FPS are much higher for me in XP than in Vista. I'd say 100% of my racing sims run better in XP.

2) UAC, I know you can turn it off but it does help protect the system so I leave it on. What gets me is every time you defrag or perform a disk cleanup it comes on and it's built in to the OS.

3) I installed 4GB of memory on my Vostro 1700. I did a fresh install. An important update would NOT INSTALL that corrects system crashes when it detects certain configurations. WTF? So I had to remove one of my 2GB sticks so it could install.

I do prefer XP over Vista when it comes to games so my gaming rig is all about Windows XP. My laptop came with Vista Premium and it's used for multimedia and very light gaming so I really don't care.

edit: I just hope Windows 7 comes as a stripped down OS that we can add modules if need be. I pray for a lean and mean OS. All I can do is hope.

 

Yup, i was damn uncomfortable with my first Mac OSX experience..

found it very very different..

but it was Smooth

 

Maybe they needed more time with Windows 7 and just put out Vista to make Windows 7 look 10x better?

 

This is exactly what I want in a new OS.

 

Windows Server 2008 is exactly like this. Honestly though, I'm against this customization in a consumer level Operating system. Seeing how much trouble computer users in general have with simple tasks like installing the correct drivers, the last thing Microsoft needs to allow is for people to choose which components they want to install. This is screw up dependencies and people will start hammering tech support wonder why this feature or that program does not work. then they have to dig up their DVD to install said dependency and god knows what will happen from there.

At the very least, they should make it complicated, like create a text file on a flash drive with the golden ratio and all the capitals of the US in alphabetical order and have the user insert the drive while installing all the while asking the question "how do you pipeline the contents of a file into a program from the console?"

Then for good measure and to weed out the noobs, ask them questions about NUMA and then push the power button at the end of the quiz.

 

This NUMA?
http://tinyurl.com/fs5gv

 

I'm sorry, but I just have to completely disagree with the idea that a procrustean one-size-fits-all OS is a good idea - what you end up with is most of the kludgier aspects of Windows - the equivalent of OS Muzak as the design concept gets pulled in inconsistent directions by those who want more power, and those who want to protect the average nontechnical user from the consequences of the more powerful components.

However, I will agree with the underlying concern, namely, that this same average user will invariably punk something up if they have to do a lot of setting up and module selection/installation before they can have a workable/useable OS on their systems.

The solution, however, seems to me to be a rock-solid core OS with a modular design such that, for example, the retail consumer version (aka, the standard version - using the term "basic" as in _Vista basic makes the product seem half-baked) should be the standard version and come with a serviceable, unflashy UI that does what the average user in fact does with her/his computer, but which can be modified without incurring huge additional expense by either adding additional functionality to the standard UI, or by replacing the standard UI with one or more UIs that have either more powerful functionality, or that are specialized in one or more ways (e.g., a "specialized" business retail module that would optimize the OS for use in a networked business environment where most systems are supposed to be more like the workstations of old, and where even the basic customability of Win XP can yield headaches for the IT department).

The idea of an on-the-fly competency exam is ... interesting, but in the present format, too easy to subvert - I don't need to really understand the meaning of the acronym NUMA, or the concepts captured thereby, to "hack" the question via google (provided, of course, that I have enough functional brain-cells to figure out that, in the context of installing an OS, the correct referent is not the National Underwater and Marine Agency founded by Dr. Clive Cussler ).

Oh, and to how many significant digits do you want φ? And how is that value to be used "with" the creation of the aforementioned text-file? As just another data-value? As an encryption key? As the modulus of the page of text that should be displayed when the file is printed to console, or to standard 8.5x11 paper?

Finally, just for general consumption, the thought struck me last night (almost, but not quite, as hard as the cast-iron skillet ) that Win XP may, in the fullness of history, come to be seen as the acme of MS' product development, and the release of _Vista as signalling the plateau and beginning of the decline of MS - after all, given that Win XP will have extended support (i.e., security support) for two years longer than _Vista, when Windows 7 is finally released, it will be effectively competing with a product that has had more than 10 years of trial by fire - Win XP, for all its faults, is by now a battle-hardened veteran from which most of the easy exploitation targets have been wrung through the hacker/AV dialectic. Windows 7, no matter how conscientiously or successfully MS' engineers code it, will inevitably have a whole slew of new exploitable possibilities - that has less to do with the quality of MS' work than with the inherent nature of a multi-million line program designed and written by human beings - and will necessarily be compared to XP in an unfavorable light on that point. Thus, unless MS can come up with something truly worth the extra pain and risk of switching over to, it may find that it has essentially poisoned the market against its own newer products, and may find that the unintended consequence of giving in to the pressure to keep XP available and supported until 2014, when support is finally terminated, is that people, out of pique at the termination of XP or the gaggle of inevitable flaws in Windows 7, simply move on to a linux variant instead of Windows 7. Any thoughts?

 

Personally, I can trash talk M$ because I do use Linux.

 

So says the Soviet Socialist from NY. Sorry I couldn't resist.