Warning: Telemetry and data logging being added to Windows 7/8/8.1

Very important, please hide or uninstall this update if you have it installed already:

KB3068708

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708

Here is a pic to prove the connection I was talking about. If I clicked resolve address it would either say vortex or settings.


Also notice the process mDNSResponder.exe ? That used to be bundled by Bonjour which gets installed anytime you install or update iTunes and what Bonjour does is send all your usage habits to Apple. Now same process is used by Micro$h4ft.

 

This just ticks me off how other clowns on other forums take this......... read this joke...

That's how serious people are taking this MS Win 10 + Privacy invasion

 

For full list of updates you should hide,
Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

 

I can't say that at the moment anything is being reported. That is not the point, the point is it can inn the future. Even more to the point is, if M$ has its way, nothing on your personal/work systems will be private or sacred.

 

Which is wrong in every way, which is why I posted this. We want to protect user privacy whatever they are doing is their business, be it legal or not. Micro$haft shouldn't be allowed to act as a virus.

 

@Mr. Fox

This is how Micro$haft wants to see us........



Among many others (NSA, U.S.gov), this is now Microsoft's DREAM come true.

 

The thing I have been waiting for is a W7 update (SP?) that will include all this W10 spying crap. I would not put it past them to do it. Time to turn off "auto update" . This W10 crap is ticking me off more and more.

 

I wouldn't put it past them......

 

I posted a guess along those lines in another W10 thread a few days ago, and unfortunately my presumptions were proven to be correct.

Time to turn the updates off, period. This charming MS approach is getting to be not only ridiculous and offensive but outright dangerous.

 

Every time I see "installing updates...do not turn off or unplug power" it makes me wonder what it REALLY is installing. This last month it seams that W7 has been getting a lot of updates / fixes

 

Fixes... LoL

 

Remember when Micro$haft announced last month that Windows 7 will only receive security updates and is no longer supported only security patches? So much for that they are injecting viruses into the OS, and no AV will protect users because it's from Micro$h4ft. Security Should make a new AV called anti microsoft spying AV, and we thought viruses were dangerous, this take it to the next level because it's legit

 

If you read the update description in the first post link, it only functions for those who opted into the customer experience improvement program. And for anyone that's privacy-conscious and has opted out of sending data to Microsoft (presumably most people in this thread), this update does nothing to your system and does not increase your risk at all.

 

A decade ago I would've agreed with you. However, this part can subject to various interpretations since it's quite vague, emphasis mine:

Given what we've seen with W10 so far, I would tend to err on the side of caution and presume that MS will treat all the users of their operating systems equally......as in not entitled to privacy of any kind.

 

This is an update to another update, which also needs to be removed: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3022345

Actually, for those of us not drinking the Windoze OS X wee-wee flavored Kool-Aid, I think what they want for us looks more like this...

 

^^^^^
Leave it to a Serbian artist to inject finesse into horror. Nice work.

Although I think this one is more appropriate...since that's how we're going to look like once Redmond is done with us NBR rebels



And if you wonder WTF that is, here's the answer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_Tower

 

I was originally going to post a photo showing a pile of brutally murdered human beings from Auschwitz and decided against doing so. But, there is really no telling what manner of abuse and atrocious treatment at the hands of the trend leaders gone mad awaits those of us that are not Kool-Aid drinkers. Windows 10 may be the inch that is given before the mile is taken, and dissent would definitely be an impediment to their agenda. Every time we give up a tiny sliver of freedom for the sake of playing nice with the Digital Nazis we die a little more. There is a massive difference between flexibility and gullibility, but some consumers are unable to discern between them.

My Clevo is back to dual booting W7/8.1 and I'm already feeling better. I've confirmed the Windoze OS X UI is personally tolerable after sufficient cosmetic remediation tweaking. With Windows 10 being "free" for a year, I have 11 more months left to watch what happens to other people. I'm good with that plan, and I know from personal experience with the new OS that I am missing out on absolutely nothing except for a potential breach of personal security. If there are no casualties and it actually turns out that the apprehension and fear was unfounded it will still be free. Easy come, easy go... que sera, sera. In the meanwhile I haven't discarded a software license for something desirable for something possibly extremely regrettable and ultimately unfit for human consumption.

I also find a bit of satisfaction in knowing that I did my tiny part to help with the market share metrics by uninstalling Windows 10 using their official removal tool and provided feedback explaining my basis for doing so. I know they value data, so now they have one more piece of it. It will be interesting to see if they actually share those numbers and let the chips fall where they may in terms of public perception.

In other words, now that I've dried off and re-waxed my surf board, I think I will just smile and wave from the shoreline for a while.

 

All they have to do is send a notice out to everyone they have an email address for, add a pop-up on every Micro$haft web site, and maybe a mass postal mailing, announcing their terms of use have changed together with a link to view the terms, and continued use of any of their products or services is regarded as implied consent. An IP address and time stamp for the act of closing the pop-up, the act of deleting the email or proof of mailing are the only pieces of documentation they need, then they have carte blanche freedom to do whatever they wish to users of any version of Windows or Office or other Micro$oft services so long as what they do is covered under the terms of use that everyone was given a chance to read and opt out of by simply not using their products and/or services.

Microsoft Services Agreement

 

I expect for the free year it will all be smooth. They will be sure all data goes no where at least until the Gotcha moment. As I said, all is fine today it is what you are signing away for the future. Once those data stores are built, they are built.

I need two things primarily;

1.) back off the spying on personal information, be it files, email, texts etc.. Leave productivity alone, no ifs ands or buts.
2.) get rid of forced driver updates. There could still be issues but at least the hardware will be safer.

With that I will be back to look at the OS, not before!

 

As long as it goes smoothly enough to get everyone to relax enough to let their guard down. It is eventually going to hit the fan and make a nasty, smelly mess.

A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a vagabond, and want like an armed man.

 

But why install it in the first place if it does no good but just keep4 it a possibility? Do you really trust anything Micro$h4ft says? At the end of the day it's your system if you wanna install it then enjoy...

 

Despite having uninstalled all the updates that are on my computer from this list (thank you Matrix Leader for compiling it), I think you guys are overstating the issue. Yes, telemetry is invasive and should not be performed without the user's express permission, but nevertheless - what do you think M$ is going to do with your data? Unless you actively engage in narcotics/arms/human trafficking, nefarious extremist activities, or participate in child porn and such , you have nothing to worry about.

Worst case, your seemingly 'private' chat history ends up on M$'s servers (they probably are already on Skype's, WhatsApp's, Facebook's, Apple's and Google's servers - list is not exhaustive). Do you guys really think M$ execs are going to sell your data to the U.S. government? Even if they do, what do you think both parties are going to do with petabytes and exabytes of data? Fap to all those erotic conversations? Governments around the world look for specific threats; they crawl data looking for specific keywords and trace the person attributed to those messages. If it turns out to be a real terrorist/child porn actor/drug dealer, hey, then it's good for all of us, right?

As I already said in another thread - be rational, people. Governments today (except those in the DPRK and ISIS) have nothing to gain and everything to lose by screwing with their people in such a way. The NSA already has had its ****e storm - there's probably going to be more with other agencies around the world. This is not the world of George Orwell's 1984 where they want you to think the way they want you to (well, modern governments already have the media for that, which does a fairly decent job of changing and manipulating people's mindsets - this is done quite openly, mind you).

P.S. (This is for perspective and the 'small print' to my post) I come from a first-world country where, despite my having a 1 Gb/s internet connection at about US$35/month - PornHub, RedTube and several other such 'gentlemanly' sites are banned. Heck, even the famous AshleyMadison site is not allowed.

 

That's why I use a VPN to stop my ISP from tracking my surfing habits and I take security with the utmost importance. No ad should ever be displayed on my monitor, no freeware that has bundled spyware, and definitely no telemetry.

I try to show and warn people about certain things. At the end of the day, it's your system and you only can decide what you want to do with it. If you're comfortable having any person looking at what you do, be it wrong or right, then go ahead you have nothing to worry about.

I do nothing wrong, I have all legit/paid software. Never use cracks, but I will never let a single soul track my usage habits. That's just me.

 

They will and they have.
Trust needs to be earned and many have shown that when in power they cannot be trusted.

I never understood the "if you've done nothing wrong mindset".
People have been put to death and it was proven after the fact that they "did nothing wrong".
If we get the right/wrong people in office they will tell us what right and wrong is and they will have the information to act on it.
In some parts of the world we still burn women for being "witches". In those cases someone said they where wrong and burned them.

 

How do you know? That's a very strong assertion, bordering on outright accusation.

Those parts of the world - I quite explicitly mentioned in my post. And we cannot do much about it. 'Right' and 'wrong' - those are extremely subjective concepts. Your own predecessors would denounce homosexuality as heresy/blasphemy, like we do incest today. But you're probably quite tolerant of homosexuality. Would you be happy if incest were legalised, say, two centuries from now? Hard to agree nor disagree, right?

 

Be it right or wrong............if you are comfortable with the below data being sent to Micro$haft then please install this update:

All text typed on the keyboard is stored in temporary files, and sent (once per 30 mins) to:

http://investmentwatchblog.com/a-traffic-analysis-of-windows-10-2/

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com

Telemetry is sent once per 5 minutes, to:

vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net

typing the name of any popular movie into your local file search starts a telemetry process that indexes all media files on your computer and transmits them to:

df.telemetry.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com


When a webcam is first enabled, ~35mb of data gets immediately transmitted to:

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net


Everything that is said into an enabled microphone is immediately transmitted to:

oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com

If this weren’t bad enough, this behavior still occurs after Cortana is fully disabled/uninstalled. It’s speculated that the purpose of this function to build up a massive voice database, then tie those voices to identities, and eventually be able to identify anyone simply by picking up their voice, whether it be a microphone in a public place or a wiretap on a payphone.

Interestingly, if Cortana is enabled, the voice is first transcribed to text, then the transcription is sent to:

pre.footprintpredict.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
df.telemetry.microsoft.com

While the initial reflex may be to block all of the above servers via HOSTS, it turns out this won’t work: Microsoft has taken the care to hardcode certain IPs, meaning that there is no DNS lookup and no HOSTS consultation. However, if the above servers are blocked via HOSTS, Windows will pretend to be crippled by continuously throwing errors, while still maintaining data collection in the background. Other than an increase in errors, HOSTS blocking did not affect the volume, frequency, or rate of data being transmitted.

http://localghost.org/

http://aeronet.cz/news/analyza-wind...rmaci-o-uzivateli-jeho-prstech-ocich-a-hlasu/

 

My concern is not of the government and my text's, although everyone has their own issues. My concern is work products plain and simple. Allot of people depend on their computers, and privacy, to make money. Once product, workflow, etc. becomes sell-able and marketable it can jeopardize the small guys livelihood. Can you trust anyone to go over all that data to insure nothing is being sold to a third party or partner that is only benign?

Other thing too is untested scenarios. you get child porn, or anything else, from some website y0u never open and delete. Your kids torrent illegal games without your knowledge, in the US if they are under 18 the parents are responsible. Just to name a couple here there are plenty more. To add another now, he is writing a book in his local system but the language sounds terroristic.

I do not trust anyone else with my local work, be it good faith or not! AS it is I have a right to privacy and I am not giving it up. You want anything local on my computer you had best have a warrant PERIOD!

 

Matrix Leader, I have been watching for the KB's in the warnings for the past few weeks, and other than the Windows 10 preload/install KB's - that I caught and hid, I haven't seen any of them come through yet, and I have seen a number of other updates.

I check almost daily, and no matches yet on the various lists of KB's to watch for in Windows 8.1 updates.

This is a bit disturbing, either you are getting/seeing KB updates we aren't seeing, or the KB numbering is being played with once found - changed and re-pushed. Speculation for now, but why I am not seeing the KB updates others are seeing?

 

Please re-read the first few words of my first post in this thread... I uninstalled all the telemetry/Windows 10 updates. I agree with what you're saying about this spyware.

All I'm saying is - it's not as bad as you think it is. People want services, integration, connection and instantaneous updates - if you don't collect data about a person, how would you 'personalise' the experience for him/her?

But unfortunately, if companies choose to monetise that 'big data' and sell all of that to government agencies, what can we do about it? You and I, and everyone else here - we are moderately tech-savvy at least and know how to tweak our software to suit our liking, i.e. to get rid of all this telemetry and data collection nonsense.

How would you tell this to the ordinary layperson on the street?

 

To make things worse, did you know that Micro$h4ft won't be releasing KB Articles for new updates now? So they expect people to blindly swallow those updates without telling them what they do so they can spy on them:

When I heard this I was like...........



Source: http://arstechnica.com/information-...no-plans-to-tell-us-whats-in-windows-patches/

 

Run a Disk Cleanup while choosing to clean up system files, then select everything including Windows updates then reboot.

Now do a Windows update check that's when I saw them try to sneak in again so I re-hid them

 

I know bro all I meant was in general, even if it's not that big of a deal, I don't like it. I know you hid them and you agree with this post

Now billions of people have all their data exposed to Micro$h4ft poor people, as you said we tech savvy people know our way around these things but poor n00bs won't have a clue and will just use the system as it is and wonder sometimes, hmm, why is my computer or internet slow now knowing what may be going on in the background.

 

Your computer's keystrokes are being recorded, your files inventoried and sent back - content too?, video/images are being taken of you and your surroundings, your fingerprint reader if available might be polled (do we know this?), your voice and environment audio is being recorded, all elements of a search and seizure without a warrant - voluntarily by agreeing to the EULA.

Whether the EULA stands up in court, it matters not, the breech of your privacy has been done and can't be undone, ever.

Windows 10, it's free, so You Cannot be Free.

 

Matrix Leader, yes, been doing that on a regular basis - I have a new computer and have been installing / uninstalling lots of stuff and reap the benefits of ccleaner/ccenhancer daily

Still nothing has come through. Weird.

I could send you my list of KB's if you like, to compare against yours.

Here are the updates I have seen and hidden:
2,712.6MB Upgrade to Windows 10 Home
KB3080149 Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
KB3075249 Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
KB3068708 Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
KB3035583 Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
KB2976978 Update for Windows 8.1 for x64-based Systems
KB2876229 Skype for Windows desktop 7.3

 

and if they can record your key strokes claiming they want Auto Correct to work better, now they have all your passwords and you are pwned (not you personally )

 

no it's fine bro my eyes are already tired as I just formatted and installed Windows 7 myself. Been scanning for those updates to check against my list like a hawk, sheesh it's like trying to avoid installing a virus.

 

The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance.

Matrix Leader, we have all been pwned for a long time. Speaking points about overt moves like Windows 10 are too little too late, covertly we haven't had privacy for a long time, if ever.

The actionable nature of the Windows 10 info gathering will be devastating for all that install it and agree to allow it to be done to them. That is the difference.

If EULA's are enforceable in court, all those Accept clicks without reading or thought will come into force, after these Windows 10 EULA's are challenged in court, and upheld.

A chilling effect on all software, services, and user agreements from now on, if we let it happen.

 

That's what I mean - Matrix Leader put it very succintly. M$ records keystrokes claiming that they are improving, customising, tailoring and personalising services to individuals (such as auto-correct); companies (i.e. Facebook) record camera data claiming that they are improving facial recognition software and make your life easier by tagging your friends on Facebook for you (it's surprisingly and very creepily accurate . Have any of you used M$'s 'How old are you' selfie website? Every single photo uploaded is stored and recorded. What for, we don't know.

When we don't know, we assume that it's certainly to feed NSA's, CIA's, MI6's, FBI's, ASIS's, ISA's coffers of big data. But the point is, we don't know. And when we don't know, we automatically assume the worst has happened. Maybe not - maybe the people at the top are also human. I like to see the best in people, and am a generally optimistic person. I hope M$ is using all that data it collects to truly improve its services and nothing else. If it does choose to sell it all away (granted the fact that M$ is a profit-seeking and profit-maximising firm), too bad for all of us. But I sincerely hope not - even if it's a bit naïve of me.

 

I don't really care what they are going to do with it . The thing is it's MY data to do whatever I want to do with it and not there's.

 

MS' new telemetry headquarters, & center for production & distribution of K gB updates :O)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubyanka_Building

 

As far as telemetry for UAC, within limits, I am ok with that. It is a function of the OS so that is ok. Just leave my files and local data alone! If they port over the restrictions of 10 over to prior versions then there will be a real problem.

 

Here is a pic to prove the connection I was talking about. If I clicked resolve address it would either say vortex or settings.


Also notice the process mDNSResponder.exe ? That used to be bundled by Bonjour which gets installed anytime you install or update iTunes and what Bonjour does is send all your usage habits to Apple. Now same process is used by Micro$h4ft.

 

One important difference from 10 is that according to the KB, "The diagnostics tracking service collects diagnostics about functional issues on Windows systems that participate in the Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP). " (emphasis added) So in theory, at least, it wouldn't report anything if you don't have the CEIP turned on. Nonetheless, I am not pleased to see this update arriving on Windows 6.1 and 6.3 as well as Windows 10.

I know this is the Windows forum and not the gaming forum, but reading your post I am compelled to recommend the game Deus Ex. The original, in particular. For a game from 2000, it's take on government is far more relevant today than most would have expected 15 years ago.

At any rate, thanks for the thread. Checked and this is not installed on my Windows 8.1, and since I only have a few weeks till the trial runs out, updates are now disabled on it so it doesn't sneak in. Sounds like yet another good reason to try out Mint 17.2 on my laptop.

I'd trust Microsoft more if they'd taken more actions against the NSA and PRISM - at least Yahoo actually filed a lawsuit, even if it was unsuccessful. Sure, their legal counsel wrote some anti-NSA documents in 2013, but it was all after the fact, and then they add telemetry and cloud integration with questionable privacy defaults that could be very handy for a PRISM-using NSA in Windows 10. It's not very reassuring. And while the people at the top are humans, they aren't fiercely pro-privacy. I recommend this Bill Gates interview from Rolling Stone for the most direct perspective on the topic I've seen from someone high up at Microsoft:

So I don't know about you, but when I read that last year my take was that Gates, and thus likely a fair amount of the higher brass at Microsoft, leans more towards collecting data and surveillance for the benefits it can provide, than protecting user privacy. And that it complements their search strategy, all the better. So the changes in Windows 10 were likely not at all by chance, and if Gates has the views he espoused in this interview, it's plausible that Microsoft's entry into PRISM was quite willingly as well.

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1570858/...8-8-1-updates-spy-on-you-just-like-windows-10

I was going to put this in one of the relevant Win 10 threads but it actually pertains to Windows 7, 8 and 8.1.

 

They do not have to break the original EULA's just addendum. Watch those accept buttons.

 

For those that need it;

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disallo...-program-collecting-information-in-windows-7/

 

Another thing I do is this:


how to screenshot on windows


image upload with preview

 

had an extra setting here.

 

Strange I don't have that although I do remember seeing 3 entries under Application Experience before maybe me not installing all those Telemtry updates have something to do with the fact that I don't have that but thanks for the reminder, always good to double check