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    What do you hate most about Vista?

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by ThunderCat69, Aug 11, 2008.

  1. Relativity17

    Relativity17 Notebook Evangelist

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    I hate how they put the little apple icon in the top left of the screen.

    Hate.
     
  2. S.SubZero

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Sidebar
    Transparent inactive windows (only) in OS X were a nice touch, but not only was it taxing on the system (especially in 2002) but there was no way to disable it. They weren't so much a theme as simply a functionality thing, as questionable as it was. Vista's Aero is truly a theme, and honestly, it's not designed for function. There's no reading things behind Aero panes.

    Oh, and I see Leopard 10.5.2 (on my Macbook Pro) finally has an option to kill the transparent title bar, AND they reduced menu transparency dramatically. Finally.

    The flip thing isn't so bad, tho I rarely have many windows open and I can always use the task bar to click to the ones I want. I've owned two Macs over the last few years and I don't think I've ever even used Expose to go between windows.

    As mentioned, this is actually Shadow Copy, which has been around in Windows since XP. You can read all about Shadow Copy in this MS brief from 2003: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc785914.aspx . Long before Time Machine.
     
  3. mrg666

    mrg666 Notebook Evangelist

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    Great post! rep+
     
  4. THAANSA3

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    I couldn't have said this better if you paid me. I agree 1000.99999%. Competition is based on, but not limited to, imitation. In the end, the consumers benefit.
     
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  5. d4nz0r

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    Yeah you're right, Apple has never stolen any ideas from anyone else....Lawl. Run along iSheep.
     
  6. everex5000

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    Guys,

    I hates these list below.

    1. UAC, of course disabled right off the bat.

    2. Window Defender, pfffttt, I could install free spy & bot or hihackthis.

    3. Aero ???, please disabled nail in coffin.

    4. too many options in Control Panel.

    5. too many svchosts running, I mean come on !!! why not ONE svchost can share all programs at one times ?

    6. DRM is running in background.

    7. transfers slows (seems feel slower) XP is still superior speed.

    8. Events Viewer is sucks !!!, I love XP version of Events Viewer much cleaner.

    9. networking responds slow.

    10. What about new Windows 7 ? yawn...cough, maybe I waits for Windows 8 with support USB 3.0, DirectX 12, bloatware less, DRM free, touch-screen, etc...

    just my 2 cents.

    Dg
     
  7. shawnost

    shawnost Notebook Enthusiast

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    Like others have said the UAC in Vista is just terribly annoying to have deal with. It's the first thing i turn off any Vista machine, before doing anything else.
     
  8. Silas Awaketh

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    Then how is it a problem anymore if you disable it?

    How is this a problem then? :confused: Install the freeware you want and get on with life!

    This can be disabled as well easily.

    I take it as a compliment.

    If that ONE svchost takes the same amount of RAM as 10, I don't see the difference.

     
  9. OmeGa 5 705

    OmeGa 5 705 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I use it fine, nothing has happened to me. It's a good mouse with good options ^^.
     
  10. ArmageddonAsh

    ArmageddonAsh Mangekyo Sharingan

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    for me its one thing the UAC, it pops up alot and i cant disable it, just in case it catches something. but it would have been good if it had a feature where it remembers your repsonse and if you allow it then it doesnt pop every time that application is run, such as Riva Tuner and Tune Up Utilites 2008

    but other then that,i like vista
     
  11. millermagic

    millermagic Rockin the pinktop

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    Before connecting to a mapped network drive, I first have to ping the server of pc hosting the share.
     
  12. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    To the replies in this topic in general, a lot of you complain because you don't know how to use Vista properly nor have an open mind about learning. For example, the problem to the above quote can be solved easily from an admin account by:

    Start > Click on your picture > Turn UAC on or off

    There you go. No registry hacks, no DLL hacks. Plain and simple.

    Thing I hate most about Vista are:
    - People who complain because they dunno how to use it
    - People who complain because other people say it sucks
    - People who claim it's a rebranded OS X. Sure it has OS X features like search and stuff, but that doesn't mean it's rebranded. MS hasn't come out with an OS in 7 years remember.
    - People who say Vista is slow because they expect their 256 MB RAM computer or $499 laptop to run it well
     
  13. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Huh, where?
     
  14. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    1) Boot times? Disable some startup programs and random Windows services. I can boot in roughly 1 minute, with desktop completely loaded and password typed.
    - CP issue: There IS search ... If you go category view the search box is focused by default. Classic view is for people who know exactly what they want.
    - UAC: Agreed, and is easy to disable. However I like the fact that I have a layer of protection there.
    - Scalability: Vista can run on anything 2006 and later. I had a 2006 laptop with Core Duo 1.6 GHz and 1 GB RAM, it ran Vista Ultimate SP1 x86 fully, AND Aero enabled. No visual features nor other features disabled, except Bit Locker. Anyways Vista can even run on 512 MB, so what's the complaint? It's a new OS, can't expect a 2002 XP laptop to run it can you?
     
  15. fred2028

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    1) You cn disable the security "crap". By that I guess you mean UAC, because the other security "crap" like Security Center is in XP also with SP1 or 2 ...
    2) Dx10 > Dx9. If you don't have the hardware then it's not Vista's fault Dx10 won't run.
     
  16. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Yeah agreed about the stability. I've been using Vista since July 2007 when I wanted Halo 2, and I've only gotten blue screens when I host Halo games on 1 GB of RAM. I upgraded to 3 GB on my old laptop and I've never had a crash, BSOD, freeze, etc. Now I have a new laptop and honestly, sometimes it does freeze up for like 2-5 secs some reason, but I've never lost my work and never a BSOD.
     
  17. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Oh no we're kidding. I mean System Restore was around with Windows 2000, when OS X came out like last year?
     
  18. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Vista's Previous Versions does the exact same, and didn't someone say Vista came before OS X? And I believe (correct if wrong) Previous Versions depend on System Restore to work. It extracts the previous version from restore points.
     
  19. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    - Transparency can be turned off in Right-click Desktop > Personalize
    - UAC: Start > Click on our DP > Turn UAC on or off
    - Superfetch: Start > Type Services > Find Superfetch and disable, although disabling this would see a performance decrease.
    - Startup sound: Right-click desktop > Personalize > Sounds

    I really do hope those steps aren't "not easy" or else you wouldn't be a very adequate PC user (no offense).

    And Windows has a lovely feature called Help, and if you need help getting Help, it's:

    Start > Help
    F1
     
  20. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    Rename desktop icons? Are you kidding?
    UAC only pops with changes in C:/Program Files, C:/Windows, or other system folders. Definitely not anything under C:/Users/username/!
     
  21. fred2028

    fred2028 Sexy member

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    1) New OS, duh, just like how programs in DOS doesn't run well in XP? Also tried Compatibility Mode?
    2) You've answered your own complaint: LOWER CPU
    3) Read #2
    4) Wow, you say not much changed, others on this topic say too much new stuff.
     
  22. mrg666

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  23. Silas Awaketh

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    That's not true.

    Silas - Busting this myth since 2007.
     
  24. Silas Awaketh

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    I like to live in the year that I'm in. Some of these guys still stuck in 2001.
     
  25. Chris27

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    OS X came out in 2001, Vista came out in 2007, Leopard, the current version of OS X also came out in 2007.
     
  26. swarmer

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    I know. That's exactly what I was complaining about. You can turn them on or off easily enough, sure... but you can't easily customize or fine-tune them beyond that. You can turn the startup sound off, but you can't easily change it. (Which is odd because you can change any other sound.) You can turn transparency on or off, but you can't really adjust the degree of transparency. etc.

    True... and also Vista came out earlier in 2007 than Leopard, which I think was the intended point. But you're right, it's Leopard specifically, not the earlier versions of OS X.
     
  27. Silas Awaketh

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    The next thing this guy'll want is to hear the startup sound through his nose. He can't do it in Vista, so he hates it.

    OMG, really dude? You really want so much customization? All this over a bunch of paint? Why don't you grab a copy of Lunix and make one OS for yourself and title it Lustumization!

    People want half the size of the OS but double the features!
     
  28. Theros123

    Theros123 Web Designer & Developer

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    wow, fred...way to not edit your posts
     
  29. jcm4

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    So, so right.
     
  30. duksandfish

    duksandfish Notebook Consultant

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    Talking that way, you're still living in last year, also, Xp Sp3 came out after vista Sp1.........
     
  31. THAANSA3

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    It's so funny how this thread is still going strong, but the thread asking what people like about Vista seemingly died days ago. That's a shame. Vista really is a good operating system. Oh well, I guess you can't please everybody.
     
  32. swarmer

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    ok, calm down. I don't hate Vista. I like Vista. It's my favorite version of Windows.

    But does that mean I can't criticize anything about it?

    That's the purpose of this thread, right? We had another thread recently about what we like about Vista, and I posted a lot more stuff there.

    I just don't think it's perfect in every way, that's all. And one of my biggest complaints is that while a lot of things like the ones I listed can be turned on or off entirely, they can't easily be customized or fine-tuned.
     
  33. HLdan

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    That's what's horrible about Vista, a user shouldn't have to disable every darn thing to get it boot up faster and only an experienced user would even how to do it or even know that it's possible to do it. A minute to boot after disabling?? That's really long still, Mac OS X can boot in under 30 seconds with no modifications. Boot time isn't terribly important but as often as Windows needs a restart from software updates it can be quite maddening.
     
  34. cha

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    Did you just use the stock driver that came with the mouse? I'm afraid to re install that driver because of the dreaded blue screen :(
     
  35. SECA

    SECA Notebook Guru

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    I cant get enough bunghoolio marks
     
  36. Theros123

    Theros123 Web Designer & Developer

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    Er...on a fresh install, without really doing anything at all other than installing drivers and such...I can probably get a boot up time of around 30-45 seconds..including Bios.
     
  37. niGht kiD

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    You can leave UAC on but disable the elevation prompt, link :)
     
  38. swarmer

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    That was true in XP, but not in Vista. Not very many things require a reboot in Vista. I tend to reboot my machine about once a week. The rest of the time I just sleep or hibernate it. My resume time from sleep is about 5 seconds. Hibernate resume time is a bit longer (I forget exactly) but it's still not too bad.
     
  39. Silas Awaketh

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    Still, I'm closer to the future.
     
  40. aalvarezch

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    What i Hate about Vista:

    - It's that Microsoft made it less faster than XP. (Boot Time) - Why make an operating system slower than the previous one???!!
    - Windows Update (It Sucks if it gets stuck!, i have updated lots of machines and in 50% of the cases Windows Update gives me trouble, i really hate this!)


    What i Like about Vista:

    - The Look Overall, even without Aero (Better than XP)
    - The Search (Start Search)
    - The Snipping Tool (It's great) :D
     
  41. Bog

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    Your desktop uses a 7200RPM drive, compared to the 5400RPM drives in most laptops. Fact is, Vista's boot times really do suck, even after fully tweaking the startup processes, services, and settings.

    Thats a work around rather than a fix; what if users do not wish to type in what they want? That is, after all, the entire purpose of a GUI. The user should be able to accomplish any task in any way he wishes, with ease. The CP has way too many applets.

    It doesn't so much "run" as it does crawl on 512MB of RAM. What I said is, the OS should configure itself to disable services and components that are not needed when installed on lower spec machines. To some extent, it should optimize itself when installing on less powerful computers. Vista does not do this.
     
  42. HLdan

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    I don't like the fact that the UI itself can slow things down. Out of the box Vista should be able to run fast on systems that are Vista ready or capable. It's retarded that you have to turn off the Aero glass to get decent performance. Aero is already a bunch of nonsense and seeing text behind other windows can give you a headache which makes it even more retarded but it should at least run fast on anything that Vista is designed to run on. It's money down the drain when people remove it and buy a copy of XP in place of it. Lame.
     
  43. t30power

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    I hate it because it sucks your machine RAM. I got a new T61 with only 1GIG of RAM, and Vista obviously was a turtle. I mean what could the majority of people expect, let alone if they are newbies or not to receive a new laptop that is very slowwish, the hard disk being used as virtual memory result in total chaos.

    XP is king. Right now I wont be upgrading to more memory, but since I have XP why stick with such a ridiculous OS that its features are useless and overloaded.
     
  44. reality818

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    I get the blue screen of death so many times is just crazy that microsoft hasn't fixed this problem. It also continuously disconnects me from my wifi. I have so many problems I don't even feel like typing them all out.
     
  45. surfasb

    surfasb Titles Shmm-itles

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    I hate how people have to hack some files to install custom themes. That's a fail right there.
     
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    My gripe is how slow file copies can take... even extracting zip files takes way too long. What gives?
     
  47. Silas Awaketh

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    Would you rather have a spyware do it for you? :rolleyes:
     
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    The lack of a slider bar for System Restore space, the massive size of the thing, which is not offset by functional improvements, IMO. UAC isn't too bad, since I can disable it immediately. Ummm... OH! How about the network menu? It sucks. And also how it's less friendly towards installing third-party themes and otherwise tweaking stuff. And the Search feature... a step down from XP for sure. EVERY TIME I have to specify stupid advanced options. Oh, but I like the way Vista handles Windows Updates.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    1.Window border turns black when maximized - solved in windows 7.
    2. Folder view settings changing randomly - any solution?
    3. Slow network and sharing center.
    4. Limited built in themes.
    But I love using Vista everyday.
     
  50. coolguy

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    One tip to improve copy times
    Uncheck "Animate controls & elements inside windows" in advanced system settings.
    This does improve copy, move times, atleast for me.
     
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