What do you hate most about Vista?

@coolguy:
1) i have had disabled that for a while, and honestly, it's better with black in maximized. less disturbing.

the rest, i more or less agree (but to 4: i hope they reimplement the vista theme for the taskbar and such, else i won't move to win7. the new style is a usability backstep, terrible.. )


to silas:
while i don't agree with every of your statement (f.e. superfetch, as it's quite a complex beast and can't be handled with one sentence) in general, i think we need one new thing:

a "busting vista myths" sig

go on busting, we can need some help here

 

that's why, when i check youtube, macosx boots so much slower on ssd's on average than vista does? hm..

oh, and, if it boots slow, it's your hw. i got my boot time down from 2.5minutes to 30seconds by taking out the card reader from my pc. is that now vistas fault? no. crappy drivers.

 

I don't have time to bust myths which have already been busted more than a billion times over the last 2 years. If some people still don't get it through their thick skull that everything is not Vista's fault, then they don't deserve it anyways.

Cue the "What about this verycooltweakingprogram.dll error? I hate Vista" posts.

 

I love the search feature personally. It is a god send. I even learned the advanced syntax stuff that makes it so powerful.

XP search sucked. You had to open a whole new f-ing window. Might as well just open up explorer and look for it yourself.

The search box is more than a search box. You can type in run commands. Screw hitting Win+R.

edit:

File copies on the same partition are slower in Vista than in XP. But at least you can continue to work. Vista has a considerable leg up when it comes to network file copying though. I think this will be more relevant as network storage becomes more prevalent.

 

Vista choked on my mother's laptop, but it wasn't Vista's fault. It was because of the bloatware/OEM software/useless bundled stuff with the laptop.

Vista IMO was made not made to be bundled with extra OEM crap.

Only thing I hate (when I used it) was because of the OEM bloat and the copy paste problems :|.

 

yeah, that's mostly the only thing i really hate about vista: the way it gets missconfigured and shipped on all the notebooks i find in retailer shops, where the non-geeks buy stuff. the base experience of those systems is terrible (as i said, 2.5min boot on a quadcore, 4gb ram. and this was AFTER fresh installation and a raid0 of ssd's in there. lets not talk about the 3min+ it took after taking it out of the package first time..).

THIS IS HORRIBLE. and there are much worse example (mine was just slow due to drivers, oem crap wasn't really on there).



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copy paste problems? no clue what you mean.



@siras:

i'm thinking of creating a myth busting series for vista, and how to fix those "terrible bugs". then we can just link to the fitting article.

no clue yet if i get the time. but more and more i'm thinking bout it..

 

The only thing I hate about Windows Vista is that n00bs can buy it too. There should be a cut-off limit.

 

so, done a first quick powerpoint presentation for fixing some UAC annoyances, or working around it.. it's in my sig. I can't attach it to my post anyways.

Hope it helps, and if so, I hope other people will quote it for quick answering the problem.

Should to a PDF version of it, laters (or html version, for that matter). But for now, a Powerpoint Presentation, to explain it RIGHT IN YOUR FACE (not personally into yours, silas )

Tipps for making it better are appreciated.

 

What?

 

haha thought you get confused. well, i've made it a powerpoint presentation, as such a presentation is "right into the face" of the reader. fullscreen, big text, huge "if you don't get it by now, you're hopeless" style information.

but it's not for you, but for others, to be designed that way. you don't need that sort of help.

yep, i'm bad at writing sometimes

 

The need to restart once from an initial startup in order to avoid some games from crashing my system completely several minutes into play.

 

that's not a vista problem, but a bug in your system config. but i can understand how annoying it is (and how hard to pinpoint the bug possibly).

 

If you do not have sufficient ram, Vista slows your system down to almost a standstill!

 

buy more then.

 

like any os. but vista needs more to have sufficient, that's true.

then again, it's 5$ or 10$ away from being fast again.

terrible is, when oem's sell preinstalled vista configs with too less ram. like in the beginning, selling notebooks with slow hdd + 1gb ram == terrible vista performance. and then put a "vista capable" sticker on it...

 

$10 is nothing. Besides, wait for W7. people have ran that on 512Mb RAM fine.

 

People have ran on burning coal as well, doesn't mean everyone can.

 

no it just means that all people with computers can

 

i can run xp on that, fine, too. until i start an application and realise, that even tons of apps nowadays need that much for themselves. waiting for win7 is useless. and waiting for win7 to power a 512mb machine just as well. you spend much more on the licence than on the ram. and you want more ram, unimportant which os. half a gb is not enough for any real os usage nowadays.

 

That goes without saying for any OS, even the vaunted linux.

 

Second!!!

I could care less what the hardware requirements of an OS are, as long as it increases my productivity at the right cost. The growing pains of Vista are just like anyother OS though. I think of when OS X first came out.

There is a saying in the computer industry for all you newcomers. "Never buy version 1.0."

Always wait for the initial bugs to get squashed and then buy the software. You won't see my buying Win 7 right out of the gates either.

 

Oh, I should add that I like the Vista Start Menu search. That is nice. But the normal search just doesn't cut it for me.

I just don't think Vista really increases my productivity at all really, and certainly doesn't justify it's increase in hardware requirements, especially with Linux on the scene.

 

What I meant was the "Calculating Time Remaning" buzz.

 

SP1 fixed that.

 

you, sir, have no clue, how aero works..

aero takes away the whole gui work from the cpu, which is very bad at doing that work actually. the gpu is much better suited for that (it's a cpu for graphics, after all ). the result: turning on aero makes your cpu doing less than turning it off. and you get smooth animations wich help focusing where something happens, glass (which is != transparency. something most xp and linux users dont understand. you can't see text trough the window. so text on text is no problem with glass), no tearing, no halfdrawn windows, etc, like you always have/had in other os'ses gui system.

 

Things I hate about Vista:

- UAC lags so badly at times, and makes my screen turn black for about 5 seconds before the pop-up comes up.

- Aero makes my GPU do more work, making the idle temperatures higher, as well as lowering the amount of FPS that I get while playing games in Windowed mode, due to the GPU having to render more stuff.

- The non-Aero theme looks ugly

- TF2 runs noticeably slower as compared to XP

- Some compatibility problems with older programs.

 

i have been using vista for long..n never had difficulties enough to get mad at it n to roll back to old XP..
though there are couple of things which are irritating there..

- my folder settings keeps changing..without my information.(like view settings)

- that warning msg window which keeps popping whenever i open rhino..(i knw how many times "how to remove that"has been answered )

well, all i could recall were these otherwise m happy soul with my vista

 

What i hate most is that by default there is no 'sort by modified or sort by type' when sorting files out in a folder, have to go through a tedious way of changing the folder settings to document...

-Also the windows picture viewer does not support .gif files..it has to be loaded in a browser which i find it stupid as XP works.

 

yeah, hated that. thanks to ssd's, it's no longer true. so it's some slow hdd access.

it takes away work from the cpu on the other hand, letting it go to lower idle states more often. but this depends on the balance of gpu / cpu power usage, of course.

fps on windowed mode get a bit lower, yes.

THIS SHOULD BE MADE BOLD ESPENCIALLY AS THAT IS STILL TRUE IN WIN7
it's obvious we lose quite some features when aero doesn't work. glass, smooth animations, previews. but on the other hand, we should not lose the visual style.
and i know it works, i've actually seen it. we bought a cheap notebook from hp for my mom about 2 years ago. it had vista basic on it, so no aero at all. but believe me or not, it looked identical to aero. same theme, just without glass. it looked awesome. i want that back (never got it to work again)

in the gameplay gets worse range, or in the i've seen the fps going down range? if its the first, then that's bad

continuing ones or just having to tweak a bit after the setup once? i still like to see real compatibility problems that can't get easily fixed.. and it's never on my hate list as this is always the same when a new os comes. else, we could not have any progress at all.

 

precisely.. i have to open .gif with IE.. n each time i put "sort by type" no matter what..settings wont be there after few restarts..

is there any tweak already covering these issues..??

and each time screen saver playing..i move my mouse(or anything to start windows..) n screen goes flickering..

 

which rhyno version do you use, again? i'd like to test out if i can fix it on my machine. maybe maybe.. always worth a try

 

I beg to differ.
'Linux' holds an extensive range of distro's.
Current minimal ones like DamnSmallLinux (minimal specs: 486DX 16MB) fly on computers with an XP minimum configuration.
Full distro's like Ubuntu have the same minimum requirements as XP though.

 

yup, and those mini-linuxe are for most bigger tasks useless. and even those like DSL don't work well if you put them on, say, 2MB ram.

the limits are different. and every os has problems when going below. there are the ones that get slow, then. others would crash/freeze. it doesn't matter.

we're talking about 5-10$ investement, when licencees cost over 100$, and systems over 200$ that run it. everyone who cries should instead just solve that issue, it's that simple.

 

Vista with the stirpped Aero (no transparency) is fine for me. Basic is just to ugly for me, heck, its worse in Windows 7.

 

I run Aero with no transparency myself. I lose 2 fps when I run L4D, TF2, and Rome Total War in a window. Ya'll systems that suck wind when you turn on aero have just weird issues other than Vista IMO.

 

True for probably all NBR members.
Not for the bulk of low-end consumers who try to stay away from bigger tasks.

True. But to try running it on 2MB when it has a minimum requirement of 16 MB is, well, (sado)masochism.
Cheers.

 

well, same as trying vista below 2gb. useless except for bashing vista. and while 2gb is much, it's not worth more than 10$ so, no, it's not much

surfasb: yeah, here it's similar. some systems i've seen have huge issues with aero. mostly driver updates fixes that, but some still behave bad. most don't have any real impact.

some impact are those older gpu's (for pc's mainly) that detected "3d mode" and turned on the fans then (gf5200 and such, i think). this was in the vista-beta days. on those systems, the fan would never stop, even while the gpu wasn't hot at all, just because it saw "omg, it's using some 3d hw"

 

What I hate most about Vista is that people think its worse than XP when its not.

 

When I first got Vista I ran without Aero for nearly half a year then I did a benchmark. And with Aero on, I scored 5 more FPS in UT3. With Aero on w/Transparency, if you run your game in fullscreen it will disable rendering of the desktop and your game will run fine.

I see this often when I switch out of my games, the desktop displays with no trasparency for like a second and then the trasparency goes back on.

So really Aero is fine, as long as you dont run in Windowed mode, I do that with some games but if I loose a couple fps on those games it doesent make a difference, since the games I run windowed get over 100fps.

 

I just like running in windowed mode so I can post here while I'm loading maps when I'm playing.

 

what do i hate about vista? well heres a list
1 resource hog
2 to big i mean 15 gig of ur hdd come on
3 i will always be a xp fan and as long as i can find drivers that work for hardware i will downgrade to xp,but do have to run vista on some programs

lets face it ms is offering a downgrade to xp on some bussiness machines and from windows 7, but u also have the choice of vista to i'm gonna hush i am completely off topic now

 

What I hate most?
- The negative connotation is has gotten from the media, and the drones who follow it.
- The super huge price tagged on it.

 

myth. untrue, it mainly actually uses your resources instead of letting them lye around for nothing.

around 7gb

what ever suits your needs and satisfies your myth-dreams.

no clue what that sentense should say. but if you say "but if businesses still use xp, it has to be better", then there is a simple no. switching takes one, two years. and most companies don't have the budget or time to invest in switching currently. our company is planning the switch to vista since it's existance and is still far from even near doing the switch. that's why we still get xp licencees. because we need them for new systems. not because we want them. companies are slow (like SLOOOOW) in switching. 3 years ago, i finally got a company to switch from 98 to xp!!

 

using rhino 4.0
though had to do some tweak..had to undo everything in OpenGL to make it run on vista..otherwise it d give black screen..

 

What I hate about vista:
-slow boot-up time
-take forever to get out of hibernation
-(not really a problem but annoying) Vista won't let me remove windows program that I don't want or never use. ie. window mail, media center, calendar, etc.

 

Much slower than XP even though I have excellent hardware and very few programs installed. That's my main problem with it.

 

Most of the Vista haters are people who don't want change. They feel comfortable using almost a decade old OS. They don't want to try new things. They talk about a product without even using it themselves.

These people want an OS to use 256MB RAM and 4GB hard drive space when they have a system with 2GB or more of RAM and 250GB hard drive. These people cannot be changed. They think small.

 

That's not true, I was very excited for Vista and am now excited for Windows 7. I agree that it's impractical to keep using a decade old OS, that's why I moved away from XP. I've been using Vista for almost a year now and I still dislike it. It all comes down to speed and performance for me and the fact of the matter is that my 5 year old XP machine felt a lot faster than my brand new Sager NP2096 with all of the latest hardware and Vista as an OS. Quite frankly, it's pretty ridiculous that the OS is so cluttered. Sure, it manages memory better but it is not a practical upgrade from XP by any means.

 

I hate how its so much better then XP that I never use that partition on my dell. In fact I think next time around when I format Ill get rid of XP all together.

 

id say ram usage
and also programs not running with no reason