Why I don't like Windows 10

Even if you could sue them M$ would drag it on so long in the courts with there high priced lawyers that you would be old and grey and broke fighting them. So many companies have tried and gone under or bought up by M$ trying.

 

"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?" - Joshua - WarGames (1983)

The best move is to never agree to the current EULA, that violates your hosting property privacy rights. Don't upgrade to Windows 10. Don't play their game.

 

I think this is different. It appears as if they are/were anticipating an avalanche of non Intellectual Property Law Suits. This could be a case where say 50,000,000 accounts were hacked at one time. You can easily imagine the company going under with one good hack. My point here is even they agree there is a substantial enough risk that while we are not protected they are!

This is why they have to change policies. If not, with all the scrutiny as of late, it may spell the end of M$ as a consumer/business OS and no one will want to touch it with a 10 foot pole in mobile either. If they have to live off server, well we all know how they stand compared to Linux and with the possible advent of less and less Windows workstations that will only get worse over time.

We all know, in court, it can all be a craps shoot. The point is they are trying to protect themselves.

 

anyways, this video should point why we all as consumers must be super paranoid with Microsoft's Windows 10.





I understand from a business perspective, Microsoft is too desperate to join that "i want to know what you do so i can sell that data" bandwagon that Google was so good at. Of course, whoever that smartass jackasses that a) submitted the idea "let's do it on the OS level like Google's Android" and b)approved the idea clearly need to be impaled and burnt on a stake alive.... However this is just way too underhanded.


I'm not sure why the EU hasn't even sued Microsoft on the telemetry 'spyware' updates for windows 10, 7, 8 and 8.1.

 

Out of curiosity with W10 and O&O shutup I went to wifi in task manager and predictably I could see a small hit on traffic opening local folders and files, GRRRRRR..............

As far as Suing;
https://weigoba.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/windows-10-eula-cant-sue-except-for-ip/

 

Well, it looks as though Alienware LCD panels are not the only computer parts getting bricked by Windows 10 corrupting firmware. Have a look at this information and the links provided. Nasty things are happening to more people at every turn. This is really bad.

 

Well, for anyone who may be wondering about the following systems; I can guarantee that Clevo P651SG, HP Spectre x360 and Acer ES1-131 are all 100% safe to update to Windows 10. They won't implode or melt or disintegrate if you do.

Looks like select older systems are having real issues with 10. Not good. Not good at all.

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This is primarily tied to all that UEFI. Windows can corrupt the table to the point the bios will not post. I do not think you will find a single hardware trashing on a non UEFI system. Samsung's had theirs trashed by 8.0 and even more so by 8.1.

 

Legacy BIOS FTW! Now we are seeing the height of folly that can follow the UEFI crap. Just wait until UEFI Class 3 become a prerequisite for WHQL certification, then things will really get suckier than this. It's extremely unfortunate that so many stooges actually value WHQL certification. It's a glorified form of extortion that consumers have swallowed hook, line and sinker.

What better or easier way to sell new systems with the shiny new crippled Windoze OS X pre-installed than to kill older systems and pretend you don't notice and/or have no idea why that that happened. Very convenient, and profitable... for Micro$haft and their "partners" in crime.

 

The list just keeps getting bigger day by day!

@Mr. Fox @TANWare

Microsoft Edge Sends Browsing History to Microsoft - How to Block It

Avoid Windows 10 like the plague!

 

Edge is junk right now, it will be a while before it is good enough for mainstream.

 

Looks like something like this could come in handy, after seeing all these terrible privacy posts. Unfortunately, it only works on the local network.
http://lifehacker.com/create-a-network-wide-ad-blocker-with-a-raspberry-pi-1727295925

 

I'm doing exactly that, LOL. Because it is a plague.

And, now that I have started using it again, I remember why I don't care for Linux. It is definitely not a viable replacement for Windows if you're an overclocker or gamer... has a LONG, LONG way to go. CPU and GPU overclocking do not work well and SLI support (or the lack thereof) is a joke. But, still better than Windoze OS X, and actually a decent option for someone that doesn't have those interests and doesn't want to drink the telemetry and forced updates Kool-Aid. The hardest thing for me to deal with is I have hardly any idea how my system is behaving. I am used to being aware of everything at an instant and I hate not knowing everything constantly. I cannot find any OSD type of monitoring tools, but I'm still looking. I've had a gut full of Micro$haft and all of their garbage.

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My tread @Matrix Leader http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...t-wake-up-turn-on.780879/page-3#post-10082189

 

The one thing about Linux is you have to let go. I know that was the hardest thing for me too. Essentially just about anything can be monitored but allot still is in ASCII output. That and you actively have to go after the info,it is not just there for a quick peek.

I also disabled hibernate, waste of diskspace in a DTR.

 

Yes, I always disable hibernation and any form of sleep features in Windows, too. I have no use for them. My machines are either turned all the way on, or all the way off... no middle ground.

One thing I do like about Linux is using a terminal. I cut my teeth on MS-DOS and have always liked working with a Windows command prompt as well, so I am right at home with that part. I just wish the commands were exactly the same on all distros. It took me a while to figure out that disabling X server on Mint 17 was mdm, not gdm or lightdm... took a lot of Googling. Not many people tinker with proprietary GeForce drivers. It seems most just use whatever the package manager and repositories provide, which are very old. It took a long time to figure out how to enable the secondary GPU in SLI and it still doesn't work all that well. I discovered after much Google searching that I had to enumerate the primary GPU in the xorg.conf file for the secondary GPU to be utilized by the OS (I guess it needs to be told which one is on the primary PCIe bus) and the Coolbits tweak only allows me to overclock the primary GPU for some reason. Also found a bug with NVIDIA drivers and ACPI. The system thinks it is running on battery and downclocks the GPUs unless I unplug the AC adapter and plug it back in with the NVIDIA X Server open before starting a game. I think ACPI in general might be a mess because my CPU never seems to hit the 4.3GHz static overclock that I have set in the BIOS. In Windows it stays pegged at 4.3GHz and in Linux it downclocks to 1.2GHz and doesn't seem to want to use Turbo-boost. Haven't figured that one out yet.

While games are still very playable, the framerate is probably half (or at least feels that way) but I cannot say for sure because I cannot see what it is. I have not figured out whether there is a framerate monitoring tool to verify what kind of FPS I am actually getting. Heaven Benchmark for Linux is like a slideshow. Heaven does have an OSD showing FPS and there it is less than half and it appears SLI does not work at all with Heaven on Linux. There's not even any OSD info for the second GPU, so it must not be detected or visible by the benchmark tool.

My wireless printer setup was a bit of a pain, too. I kept getting errors about a broken package, but it wasn't broken. I finally gave up trying to configure it as LPD/LPR queue (which I use in Windows) and on a whim tried IPP via DNS-SD and it instantly worked perfectly that way. Now I know what not to try next time, LOL.

 

It just gets better and better. Windows 10 is officially the new SOPA but much worse.

I also been avoiding it like plague and sticking to Windows 8.1 and i warned some of my family and friends to NOT upgrade to Windows 10. They finally listened after showing them the articles.

 

Hey guys, I'm going to buy a Skylake variant of the HP Spectre x360 in a couple months, but unfortunately they come preloaded with this dreaded virus. What would be the most affordable (but technically legal) way to get 8.1 on it? I do have an external USB CD drive for a CD installation if need be.

Many thanks.

 

KuteKitteh, it might be worth a call to HP to ask if you can downgrade to Windows 8.1 / 7x64, I know for quite a while you could get a downgrade to 7 from 8. Ask Microsoft too

 

Well, I have to admit I was not expecting this. Maybe when SLI works it works really well. This is every bit as good as Windows performance. No PhysX noted, but still impressive. It looks great and ran really well. The fluctuation in framerate was much less than Windows. You have to launch the Metro: Last Light Redux benchmark from a terminal (command: ./ benchmark.sh) and the results display differently than the Windows version.

 

Link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/

So anyone using the new MS Virus already have all their passwords, bank accounts, etc. compromised.!

 

My biggest issue with this is that this most likely is their response to privacy issues so we should consider it the "Soft Sell". Essentially since now they can access your local files, including cookies, all stored passwords and site data even before the W10 install is there for their taking! By upgrading to W10 you give them access to not just everything you will be doing but have done already too.

 

Surely, the safest method of security is to NOT store any details such as passwords - that's just asking for trouble. As Benjamin Franklin said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If you don't want people to know your passwords etc, don't store them in the first place.

I'm not saying I'm a W10 fan by any means, but common sense needs to take a hand here and if people are concerned over things, they need to take the appropriate measures.

 

I allow the browser to remember me all the time. Never had an issue with it before, so common sense is to eliminate whatever is causing me to have to worry about it now. That is W10, With W7 so long as I keep the system secure there is no issue. IMHO not using W10 is the appropriate measure. As I have stated before even though we can stop a viral load from affecting us do we then still want the virus to be there in the first place?

 

Thats a lie. You read the privacy statement as you want, without any real insight. This quote has nothing to do with Windows OS:

You know when they collect these informations? When you buy something in their store! If you don´t do that, they have zero interest in them.

You claim for yourself to want to inform people. Then inform them, without your twisted interpretation of a quote - to quote you "give us facts, not opinion"!

 

Windows 10 the new advertising channel . This is a new free advertising channel for previous Win 7 and 8 OS owners. No wonder this junk is free for a year. Microsoft will make money on you so it's no wonder they want all info about you. This new OS is also NSA and similar organisajoner wet dream. This new OS is determined at the request from NSA and Usa government and designed by Micro$oft.

 

Please provide proof that they only collect that information when you buy something in their store. I want to see some proof. Where does it say that in writing? If it doesn't say it in writing, then many believe that caution is advised because they should not be trusted. If it does say it in writing, caution is still advised if you are using Windows 10 or an "updated" version of Windows 7 or 8 with telemetry on steroids.

Unless you can provide that proof, please do not accuse people of being a liar. If there is proof, you can present it as such, which means they are mistaken rather than lying. Windows 10 fanboys and Kool-Aid drinkers are entitled to have an opinion that Micro$lop is a good and honorable outfit the same as those of us that believe otherwise and feel we have no reason to trust them. It's obvious from the activity in this and other threads that many of us appreciate the information @Matrix Leader is providing and many of us share suspicions about, and contempt for, the Redmond Mafia's newly enhanced unwelcome intrusion, data collection and monitoring services that come with no strings attached at no extra charge for Windows 10 zombie PCs.

 

Why want Micro$oft that old Windows 7 or 8 shall be updated with telemetry now? Win 7 and 8.1 is the next man who will lose support and updates. Why right now? This know everyone who has followed what happens in the past.

 

I'll just leave this here......

Microsoft intensifies data collection on Windows 7 and 8 systems

How to disable Telemetry and Data Collection in Windows 10

 

That's why we have this thread mate:

Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

 

No, thats not how it works. They have the benefit of the doubt, until someone proofs that they collect that information when you are just using Windows 10, without using the store.

Matrix Leader was the one who made accusations and conclusions here first, so he is up to provide the proof that Microsoft has these informations of all people using Windows 10 without the store.

Really: Where should they get these informations from anyway, if not from the store? You are never even required to type in these informations, unless you use the store to buy something.

Note: The privacy statement covers everything and every Microsoft product, website and service altogether - and some of them need these informations to work. It is not Windows 10 specific. Complaining about this quote, which was ripped out of context, is like complaining that Amazon collects your payment data if you buy something there^^

 

READ... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...o-windows-7-8-8-1.780489/page-6#post-10084827

 

Yeah well I've always viewed EULA's as nothing more than a handshake or fist bump and nod. They're not law and not always legally binding and usually are so lengthy and incomprehensible for a "regular Joe" especially for a piece of software that is free or inexpensive (as compared to a house or a car). So it's not like everyone will be reading this crap nor will it even hold up under court of law should it see (and probably will) see light of day in court. But yeah, why would MS feel they need to even include that crap if they don't already know it's full of arse.

 

And that's not how it works either.

It's perfectly fine if you want to give MS a benefit of a doubt. Your call.

To make a blanket statement saying that they are entitled to a benefit of a doubt is a whole another matter. They're not. It's a personal decision made by each and every one of us who use their product(s).

 

"Benefit of the doubt" rofl

1938, Neville Chamberlain waved the EULA and proudly proclaimed to a wildly enthusiastic crowd: “Privacy for Our Time"

 

Windows 10 is just Genisys which is really skynet LOL

 

thegh0sts, Windows 10 is Made out of People...'s Privacy.

Soylent Green 10!! It's made out of people!!

 

LOL, OK, well @ibmthink... the M$ store shopping cart data collection excuse has to be the cutest one from a Windoze OS X Kool-Aid drinker I think I have seen yet. You deserve at least a couple of Brownie points for coming up with such a creative response.

How 'bout we will entertain the notion of giving them benefit of doubt when they give us the option to completely disable Windows 10 Updates and telemetry and a one-click option to block the transmission of any data to Micro$haft? If they cannot do that for us, I'm afraid the best I can do is agree to not allow their digital filth malware OS to waste any drive space on my systems. I cannot say anything more about how I view their new approach to the business because even a hint of honesty about it would violate forum rules; but, rest assured that when I think of how we are getting shafted by Micro$haft I am thinking of extremely vulgar language and very inappropriate acts of graphic violence toward them.

 

So yeah...when you are out of any arguments, just call somebody else a Kool-Aid drinker and throw even more unproven, nonsensical conspiracy crap on the table...a really, really good way to argue^^ And very cute, I have to say.

You still have to explain me who they will get the data if you are not using the store...I am waiting for that one, it really interests me to see you come up with a new unproven conspiracy theory how they do it.

And RE the benefit of the doubt: Thats just how we do it here in Germany. One is not guilty, until the guilt is proven. Its a very fair and good approach.

Where is that option in Windows 7? Cause it has send loads of telemetry data to Microsoft since the first day you used it

 

If we disable everything in Windows 7 nothing will be going to Micro$lop. I have many things disabled in Group Policy and anyone that chooses to have fully autonomous control over updates does. You retain the option of managing your system in whatever manner you deem fitting and appropriate. If Windows 10 wasn't a piece of feces it would have a "one-click option" as a feature "in good faith" LOL. I never said Windows 7 had a one-click option, but it doesn't need to... bottom line is you have control that you lose with Windows 10.

The fact that they are forcing Windows Updates, loading up a government-grade EULA for Windows 10 and retro-downgrading Windows 7 and 8 to have Windows 10 Gestapo-grade telemetry suggests what you say is far from accurate. The problem is, because full disclosure is something they have already promised is not going to happen, none of us know for certain exactly what kind or how much data they collect now and the EULA means you "agree" they can more or less do whatever they feel like and you "agree" you cannot do anything to them legally for doing as they choose with it. Unfortunately, "in good faith" does not mean actually mean anything and it becomes obvious their definition of "good faith" is nothing of the sort the more of the EULA you read.

I'm not trusting or giving any benefit of doubt to the Redmond Mafia because their actions have proven they cannot be trusted. But, by all means, tip the glass and hope for the best. Good luck. What's your favorite flavor? Are you drinking the sugar-free version?

 

ibmthink, wow, you are living outside the US, and you are trusting the US to maintain your data privacy?

German Mistrust of the U.S. Deepens Amid Latest Spy Scandals
http://time.com/2963472/spy-scandals-damage-us-german-alliance/

Spying Survey: Trust in US at Lowest Level Since Bush
http://www.spiegel.de/international...ce-bush-years-after-nsa-scandal-a-909584.html

Obama To Germans Worried About NSA Surveillance: 'Hey, Trust Us!'
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...ied-about-nsa-surveillance-hey-trust-us.shtml

Germany says new reports of U.S. spying harm security ties
http://www.aol.com/article/2015/07/...ts-of-u-s-spying-harm-security-ties/21204447/

‘German government sells the privacy of German citizens to the US’
https://www.google.com/search?q=germany+doesn't+trust+us+spying+privacy&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Gee man, no pun intended, you sure know how to buck the trend

 

It doesn´t matter, really. In Germany we have our own agencies BND / FIS as well as the BfV / FOPC who spy on us. No place on earth is safe from spying.

When you connect to the internet, you give up privacy, unless you are using something like Tor all the time. And when you do that, you already are on the list of the agencies as a potential target for more intense spying (well, because if you are using Tor...you have to hide something^^).

Using Windows 7 and thinking your data are safe is just giving in to a false sense of security - the same goes for using Linux. If the NSA/any other agency want you, they will get you. You don´t need Windows 10 for that.

There is no technical solution against spying. Only by disconnecting from everything (but, as I mentioned somewhere else: They could still read you letters of they want).

And believe it or not, Windows has still 85 % market share in Germany - so it seems I am not the only one "trusting" an American company. Linux helds a astonishing number of 2.5 %. Even more, for smartphones, American companies combined hold 99 % of the market here in Germany.

 

While TOR isn't 100% foolproof - or anywhere close to it - it still remains a viable option for people who don't want every single site following their moves.

We've been down this road many a times. If NSA or any similar agency worldwide wants a particular piece of information, they're extremely likely to obtain it. With that being said, there's no reason for me to simply hand over data to MS, Google or Apple...

And if they did so without a warrant in the U.S. they would be violating one's 4th Amendment rights...they would have to be pretty darn certain that they'd come up with something fairly hefty to risk taking that road...

Now, let's see how this one plays out:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/why-microsoft-data-case-could-unravel-the-us-tech-industry/

And guess what: I'll be rooting for Microsoft...

 

It's not the NSA and other government agencies that causes me the most concern. It's Micro$oft, their forced updates that are all but guaranteed to degrade performance and introduce random stability problems, and their OS-level access to tons more data than what I could generate in a lifetime while using a web browser or shopping online... There's not much to be excited about with that data. I seldom shop online and I visit the same half dozen or so web sites on a regular basis. Nothing to lose any sleep over by any means. What I do have a huge problem with besides the forced updates and lack of control over my own property is stuff like their keystroke logging, accessing, taking an inventory of, and collecting local files, etc.

I work for a large corporation and know employees are sometimes less than decent people. So, they collect stuff because they can and simply because they feel like it yet we're suppose to just trust that neither by design/intent nor through the uncontrollable acts of bad people that may work for them, nor the acts of any bad people that hack their servers where our information is collected, (again for no reason than they feel like they have some right to do so, and by accepting the EULA the sheeple said OK,) we should all feel warm and fuzzy, safe and as snug as a bug in rug? I don't think so.

I think believing in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny is more intelligent than trusting what they are doing to have a happy ending. If Windows 7 and 8 were really already doing everything that Windows 10 does in this regard, they would not need to be "updated" with new spyware features, we would not have the kind of EULA we have now, and they would not be taking away our ability to disable or otherwise control the situation. This should be a gigantic red flag to people that are actually paying attention and connecting the dots.

 

Have you read about the Lenovo Super Fish scandal and other similar? It is like a slight breeze compared to this worm work of an OS from Micro$oft. You should never trust anyone... Perhaps only on your wife??? Stop this nonsense while you can. It is better to try to prevent than to simply accept this.

http://www.slate.com/articles/techn...ne_of_the_worst_consumer_computing_screw.html

 

Or more recently, Lenovo abused an anti theft technology to always install their stuff even after a format or a hdd replacement.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...theft-feature-to-install-persistent-crapware/

If you want to go paranoid?
I wouldn't be surprised if they want to comprise a system through their victim behavior if the victim disabled Windows Updates.
Like if the victim like to play the latest online video games. Hmm let force update the libraries with a compromised version necessary to run it

 

Lenovo's ad injection went far beyond pre-installed crapware. They injected their malware into the BIOS! Great way to serve your paying customers.....NOT

For me, I'll never ever buy anything that has Lenovo on it even if they claim to have fixed it. Cannot trust this company anymore.

 

Yep. That was just outright nasty.

However, if there's one thing that bothers me more than invasion of privacy coming from just about everywhere these days is many people's response - or should we say lack thereof - to it...

The utmost lack of interest when it comes to who has access to one's personal data/info/etc. is something I find nothing short of stunning.

But then again, I guess that I'm a dinosaur whose time is at hand...

 

Sometimes I wonder if we are not being conditioned to be more compliant.
Example:
We have “Zero Tolerance” in schools that show kids what happens when you don't follow rules. In one case a young man got in trouble for chewing a Pop Tart into the shape of a gun because it violated the rule against weapons.

We cannot be this stupid… Can we? Or are we already way pass that point?

The order of the day:
Never question the government or its representatives for more better society… Trust Us!!!

Maybe I'm wrong.
It's not like our government spied on us.
Or
Gave people syphilis.
Or
Experimented with radiation on unknowing people.
Etc...

 

2006 tried to warn us...