Why I don't like Windows 10

Linux is best. Have Windows 8.1 (stripped down + locked down) for driver support that may not be available for Windows 7.

For the sake of anyone in the future that may come across this via search: DirectX 12 is and will be ONLY for Windows 10+
(Thanks @Ethrem.)

That's the only play at the moment, because like we all know, Windows 10 is just _____________.

 

Windows 8.1 does not and will not ever support DirectX 12. Windows 10+ only.

Linux is great and all but it's definitely not a solution for everyone. Laptops almost always have things that break. In order to get Mint to boot, I have to pass --nomodeset to GRUB so that the stupid nouveau driver doesn't throw my LCD out of range. I can't even get any distribution based on Ubuntu 15.10 to boot because it can't find the EDID despite the fact everything else does. These are problems. Big ones. Also, I can't control my back light with the buttons. I have to install xbacklight and use terminal commands to manually adjust the brightness. All of this is easy for me but for someone with no knowledge of Linux, it would be a deal breaker.

 

Ah I stand corrected. My mind must have been somewhere else. Thanks @Ethrem.

For the sake of anyone in the future that may come across this via search: DirectX 12 is and will be ONLY for Windows 10+

Yes I agree, Linux isn't as consumer friendly for the average Joe, but if the average Joe is putting serious effort into security and privacy with Windows, then they are more than capable to get passed the learning curve to drive Linux. Less some of the things you've mentioned.

 

This is one of the very very few opportunities M$ can lure hardcore Win 7/ 8.1 users to the new pastel colored tile junk. Without DX12 is Win 10 already forgotten and buried for many Win 7 users for many years

 

Its one of the main attractions for me. I did the same thing with 8.1 though - I upgraded early to get used to it when everyone hated it. By the time everyone started migrating because of newer machines and such, I was totally used to the OS. Windows 10 really hasn't given me a reason to hate it yet. Patch Tuesday is coming though so there's still time =P

 

I went the opposite. Go from Win 8.1 to Win 7. I love the change

 

I'm not saying I didn't switch a few times. The fact I even ended up back on 10 arose out of sheer boredom. I was bored one night, made a Reflect image of 8.1, and clean installed 10. Broke my RAID array and put Linux Mint 17.3 on the second drive... I get bored and overhaul everything...

 

Maybe time for changing your sig?

 

Lol what's the point? I won't keep this setup I'm sure. I'm never satisfied!

 

Maybe like this <8.1/10 Pro?>

 

When you went back to Windows 7, are there any AW specific drivers you're sacrificing or does all the AW drivers work?

The reason I ask is because I've just finished a clean install and had noticed that some of the drivers said W8.1 / W10 only...

Thanks.

 

/Mint/SteamOS/Ubuntu (if I ever figure out how to fix the new kernel)/OS X/whatever else comes my way.

If I updated my signature every time I changed something, nobody would be able to keep up lol

 

I have the last socket version Aw17. Drivers for Win7/8.1 and Win X are in DELLIENWARE support

 

The one thing that makes me dislike W10 the most:

 

Perhaps an idea and shut off Win update a bit earlier?

 

I solved my problem even easier. I don't run no stinking Windows. 100% Linux here. I like machines I have control of and can administer which just work. Linux sucks less. Windows 10 IS MALWARE, too many keyloggers and spyware.

 

I agree 100%. However, for gaming Linux stands no chance. Windows only perk is for gaming. Period.

Everything else....Linux or OSX.

Powered by: Quad Core Exynos + 6820HK

 

I don't game therefore for me irrelevant. Windows is very necessary for gaming.

 

@toughasnails @TANWare @Ethrem

Even With Telemetry Disabled, Windows 10 Talks To Dozens of Microsoft Servers

Source: http://forums.mydigitallife.info/th...ndows-10-Talks-To-Dozens-of-Microsoft-Servers

 

That post says it all! Basically Windows 10 is Microsoft Rootkit aka Microsoft Back Door.

 

Those commies....SMH.....just unreal....

Knowing this or even a fraction of this, how does one feel comfortable with W10? I don't get it....obviously if one doesn't care, they don't care, but still....might as well write your SS, Bank Info, Passwords etc...all on your forehead. In fact, tattoo it as it can't get any worse...

*rolling eyes*

Thanks@ Phoenix for the informational heads up....

 

Here is the site/article to watch for updates from the guy doing the testing / monitoring of network traffic:

Windows 10 telemetry network traffic analysis, part 1: ( v/technology)
submitted 4 days ago by CheesusCrust
https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/835741

There are good comments from others that have done the monitoring and tried to use the common tools to stop it, which apparently MS's code does a tenacious job of working around blockages - both internal and external to the PC.

These comments from one poster are helpful observations.

" arrggg 20 points (+21|-1) 4 days ago
Excellent writeup and documentation. I did the same test on Windows 10 Enterprise and was unable to stop the connections out, even after disabling most of the services.

While you are at it, here are a few more things to try that will produce interesting\creepy results

Block all the dns requests from local hosts file, and see how many retry with hard coded ips. Block all the IP's collected from the first 2 tests with null routes or on the router, and see how many alternates it tries. Disable the services that enable telemetry, ceip, onedrive, windows store, windows defender, windows update, and then document the new connections out.

Can't wait to see your results. Documenting this unbelievable spyware is the first step to doing something about it."

And, remember, this is the Windows 10 Enterprise version, for businesses, that is supposed to be able to turn all of this off and stop all telemetry and privacy invasions

 

How does that not suprise me.

 

What's worse is I am forced to use this malware OS because Windows 7 sucks with NVMe SSDs, boot times of +30 seconds and I refuse to use Windows 8 even if someone would pay me to do it.

 

MS is caught between us and the US. This isn't only a MS problem, it is a US sourced problem, that has become an international problem.

For those that are unaware, there is now a new agreement between the EU and the US as to US spying on data traffic to/from the EU.

An agreement that no one understands, nor trusts.

"The confusion dates back to last October, when the European Court of Justice ruled that the 16-year-old Safe Harbor mechanism for transferring data...from Europe to the U.S. was invalid, claiming that revelations by National Security Agency whistle blower Edward Snowden suggested European Union citizens' data were not safe from mass surveillance by American authorities."

Safe Harbor 2.0: Confusion Reigns As US, EU Send Mixed Messages Over ‘Privacy Shield’ Data-Sharing Rules
http://www.ibtimes.com/safe-harbor-...xed-messages-over-privacy-shield-data-2294215

Spoiler

"The EU-U.S. Privacy Shield, a legal mechanism announced this week to facilitate the legal transfer of commercial data from Europe to the U.S., is under fire from privacy advocates and lawyers who want more details on security and consumer protections.

At the same time, companies affected by the new trans-Atlantic data-sharing regime are complaining that they are in the dark about their obligations under Privacy Shield and are getting mixed messages from officials charged with enforcing the new rules."

"One challenge could come from the man responsible for bringing down Safe Harbor in the first place, Max Schrems. Schrems successfully sued California-based Facebook in European court, complaining the social network failed to protect his privacy. That ultimately led to the high court striking down Safe Harbor.

Responding to the Privacy Shield announcement, the Austrian Ph.D. student said it was too early for a final assessment, but he expects the whole thing could end up in court. "I am not sure if this system will stand the test before the Court of Justice. There will be clearly people that will challenge this — depending on the final text, I may well be one of them.""

Safe Harbor 2.0: Critics Slam US, EU ‘Privacy Shield’ Data Transfer Deal’s Lack Of Details
http://www.ibtimes.com/safe-harbor-...-transfer-deals-lack-details-2292287?rel=rel1

 

Hey there Phoenix. Thumbs up by the way on a monstrous of a laptop / set up you have there. Very nice.

I take it that you're a gamer yes? Since you're forced to use W10 there's obviously no issues with the "gaming," side of things, however, if you didn't have to use W10, would you not go W8.1+Classic Shell etc.... over Windows 7 due to driver support? I guess it's a little different with me since I have an AW, which to a certain degree limits the choices. The current driver support for the new Skylake models are Windows 10 and Windows 8.1....the AW drivers for W7 date back for systems built before 2009 and a lot of it would not be relevant for my newer AW 17R3.

"Dell may not support an operating system for various reasons, including discontinued support from the software vendor or lack of availability with certain products."

I feel that W7 would run into more issues than W8.1 due it being an aging OS.....although the best I might add, before all the rubbish applied to W8 and W10 ....

Windows 10 is definitely a no go even if I was paid to use it...so this leaves me with W8.1 + Classic Shell. I personally dislike with a passion the retro look of W8.1, but I no longer have that issue with the customized shell applied to it. Let alone the peace of mind of driver support and things just working without the hassle of troubleshooting ... I don't want to be on Windows (bad enough as it is) and feel like I'm on Linux, trying to manually figure everything out. Total pain in the rear when it is unnecessary. But that's just me...(Not to be confused with laziness LOL....I'll go the extra yard and beyond to have it just right....otherwise, why bother right? The easy way out is Windows 10 LOL...)

Then there's the whole debate about DirectX 12 support blah blah blah.....well my solution to that is, when the time comes, I'll run W10 on an external drive, boot from the external and game from the external. Problem solved.

Now the question is, could my W8.1 on the main m.2 SSD be compromised if I were to even be running W10 from an external boot drive? Would some nasty MS virus like nonsense be able to crawl into my main boot drive to access files there? I can not see how this wouldn't be possible as the m.2 SSD (main boot) would show up, therefore, it'd be recognized when I'm in W10....

Thoughts?

 

To use OneDrive in Windows 8 you must sign in with a Microsoft account which I refuse to use, with Windows 7 or 10 you can sign into OneDrive with a local account

 

What about Windows Server 2016 or Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB?

 

I refuse to use OneDrive and have never created an account.

 

ref #322, the 8 hour w10 test:
"So, just to quickly summarize, that's 3967 connection attempts to 51 different Microsoft IPs."


During w10 tests, am seeing this in Resource Monitor \ Network, bulging with constant activity (tile-crapps removed). Quite amazing that we do not see more reaction (press, privacy advocates, official) to what's happening.

 

Yikes....more to log into the books....thanks for the heads up.

 

ref "3967 connection attempts to 51 different Microsoft IPs"

Not exactly same scenario, but Microsoft \ w10 next ? ;O)
"stop sending data to the US and violating users' right to privacy"

http://www.zdnet.com/article/france-to-facebook-stop-tracking-everyone-on-the-internet/

Forbes on the "connection attempts" story

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...ahootix&partner=yahootix&ref=yfp#5c44ce917aa9

 

Classical Micro$h4ft swiss cheese!

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/09/windows-10-data-tracking-spying-levels/

edit - a response from ZDNet clarifying the connection attempts

 

Basically it's a virus. They try to load the Force upgrade update on you if you aren't careful in Windows 7 or 8.1, which will try to upgrade Windows 10 without your consent. Finally, the Forced Updates act like a virus in the sense that your computer may end up being unusable for days or a week. Windows Updates are already unreliable. I always disabled them or ignored them for every version of Windows I used, especially Windows 8/8.1 being the worst out of all of them before Windows 10. Windows 7 Updates just took way too long and sometimes had a chance of failing, but when I used Windows 8/8.1, I gave up on Windows Update entirely since they ended up reverting back every time I tried to update. Forcing updates on PC users should be the absolute last thing Micro$h4ft should do since they're already highly unreliable.

I really didn't complain about Windows 8's start menu that much since I started to use it with the mentality of not using it and organizing it to be much more efficient until Windows 8.1 came out and I also used the search feature in the Start Menu because of that. Still think that was a really dumb move in Windows 8.

I rarely used the Search Menu in Windows 7 unless it was something super-specific I was going to use or view. The Start Menu was the best I've seen, but its control panel was 2nd to XP in UI organization.

Windows 10 Fails on both aspects for the Control panel and the Start Menu. For the love of GOD!!!! REMOVE THOSE FART-NUMBING TILES MICROSOFT!!!! It was already bad enough on Windows 8, but the fact that they didn't learn from that mistake made Windows 10's start menu sin worse than Windows 8's. You can't even pin programs onto the left side of the Start Menu and I can't find how to revert back to where it shows the most used or recent apps. (facepalm) The Start Menu is so inflexible, that I can say that time-efficiency in Windows 10 is next to non-existant.

The search feature is even more of headache to use to get to what I want with those suggested search results in the way. The Settings/Control Panel is so awful that if Windows 10 existed as a physical being, I would punch it into the sun. You can't expect people to find what they want if the UI is so bad and the explanation for the options doesn't help at all with Mirco$h4ft just trying so hard to change even the tiniest of things they take for granted. You'll be surprised how many people waste more time than necessary on the Settings/Control Panel because of the words/names/terms that are being used making things so inconsistent for setting up anything in Windows 10.

I'd much rather use Windows 8 than Windows 10, DirectX12 is also just a rip-off. There's quite a bit of benchmarks out there for comparing DX11 and DX12 performance and from most of the ones I've been seeing, it's not making much of a difference. If you watch the Techquickie video on SLI and Crossfire, DX11 ends up getting better performance out of SLI/Crossfire than DX12 with gains as little as 1-3 fps.

 

wow, amazing post man, +rep to j00

 

I was making a point with terms/words used in the Control Panel. If someone is used to Windows XP/7/8/8.1 having used the term Programs and switches over to Windows 10, (which uses the term Apps to refer to programs) to try to uninstall programs, then they would already be confused. Stuff like that matter when it wastes people time and it becomes inefficient as a result of that. Microsoft is probably acting all high and mighty to the point that they don't want to cater to their product users anymore, all because they probably think that they'll be the main authority over computers since more than 3/4 of the world's computers use a Mircosoft-related OS.

 

Yeah I was on @boricuafly 's computer the other day so I told him to uninstall a driver.

He went into the apps trying to find it

Then I took the control over and went to control panel > programs & features. you know, the real deal

 

I tried Windows 10 and I have to say "No, thank you!". It is more focused on the consumer side. You have to de-activate a lot of things and still this OS is very annoying. It likes to do its own stuff, without asking anything. If someone wants to have an OS for serious work, then he should stay on Windows 7.

 

And to add....M$ focused on harvesting your data and every key stroke you enter, goes right into their cloud. Do people realize this? Your password is not a password. It is a passport for your data/keystrokes right to M$ Nazi's.

Convenience and pretty marketing blinds the masses from the truth. Why do you think Windows 10 was a free upgrade? - Nothing is free and people are paying somehow.

When someone first install windows, read the text next time. EULA etc... The best way to hide the truth is right in front of everyone's eyes. It says it right there in plain text LOL...

Only use Windows 10 for gaming and non important stuff.

Otherwise....Windows 7, better yet, install Linux. It's very simple and light. The best control you're going to get out of any OS. The Antidote to M$ Virus.

 

While I like Linux and don't see W10 as my favorite Windows release, don't you think your post sounds a bit silly?

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Anyway, run the decrapifier script found in this subforum and add all of Microsoft's telemetry URLs/IPs to your *router's* block list and/or DNS files (if you run your own) and you've solved most of the issues you've raise

 

Silly? How so? Explain yourself.

I already use a couple of those apps along with host file and registry tweaks.

::iunlock::

 

Using "Nazis" and the time-honored "M$"

There are legitimate concerns about Windows 10, but there's no need for name-calling to point them out.

 

Linux is one of the best options on the server side. It was "invented" to support the WWW evolution and as an experiment to promote a complex product through different channels. On the desktop side, I don't consider it as strong and most of the distros have issues. Maybe the best option is Google's Chrome OS (based on the Linux kernel). Of course, it is well known that Google also tracks everything you do. So, Linux is not so innocent as we might think ...

 

https://xkcd.com/261/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

I raise you: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/07/22

You can keep using M$ and so on as much as you like, but just know that for some of us, it will impact how we perceive arguments whether we want it to or not. I can't help but recall that penny arcade comic whenever I see M$. I don't like what Microsoft is doing, we buy their product, our data shouldn't be "the product" for any operating system. This is why most of my systems are on Windows 7 still.

Anyways, let the discussion carry on.

 

That was an oxymoron right? LOL...

Anyway I guess the point here is that there are more legitimate concerns than the benefits so regardless, defending M$ is pretty pointless when you stack it up against the crap that they do.

If intrusiveness and invading of peoples personal privacy is okay with you, then I don't know what to say, but there are people who choose not to fall for this trap and to not volunteer their personal info away to give them a free lunch.

This is the first instance of seeing someone in one way or another defend those crooks that I've come across on NBR. M$. Name-calling? When a label fits the description, it is what it is. Godwin's Law by nature through the course of action. - M$

@Papusan, @Mr. Fox, @Phoenix, @hmscott,

I guess we should select, "ON" during a fresh Windows install and undo all the privacy and unblock all the host ip's, download every single kb and such and feel safe....because we trust M$ right?

 

You didn't read my comment, did you?

Anywho, I'll start calling Microsoft a Nazi organization when they start gassing minorities. Until then, it's just another business

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All seriousness though, it's just software. Don't use it if you don't like it and things will be fine. No need to get emotionally Godwin over it .

 

A very shady business with a pretty exterior indeed.

I will not defend M$ so to each his own.

Do you trust them?

 

As much as any other commercial business.

As as I mentioned before, I cleaned up my W10 installs with the script found here and I block the telemetry URLs at my network border.