Why do YOU hate Vista

well ofcourse it was rather large....look at the transition from ME and 2000 to XP back in 2001. you cant tell me that they are even close in proportion as far as change goes.

no IE would cripple your system? i think you have that backwards
but anyway coudnt you just use another browser?

i have xp but after a clean install i never install wmp


"It goes a little further than that.
Read it, it's educative. "

^^below the belt much? Ouch


Well...atleast it works (your c++ editor)

 

It was a simplification. Maybe a better example would be the Michelin tires on the car, or a book with two authors. The point is, that you can't fault a company for selling something that you don't want. And you can't fault a company for not selling something you do want.

 

Well I must say thank you to everyone who posted their opinion on this thread (the good, the bad, and everything else) because it has really helped make a decision on whether or not i should get Vista.

 

It is NOT possible to uninstall Internet Explorer. The program is built into the operating system, and many Windows applications rely on it. "Uninstalling" it merely removes the shortcuts.

 

Read a little further on.
"WMDRM [...] if the software fails to protect the content content owners may ask microsoft to revoke the software's ability to play or copy WMDRM content"

It reads: "if the RIAA thinks that someone, somewhere, has been able to crack your media player, your player will be disabled (it's ability to play DRM content will be revoked) and you won't be able to play the drm file you bought until the player has been updated".
If the software house who created the player does not want to update it, you have to kiss goodbye to your player and get a new one.

Now, think how nice that would be if the newest version of the player forced you to upgrade your hardware, too. Or to install some huge service pack you would have not installed otherwise.

By accepting the eula *you give* MS and its associates the right to do that to cripple your system as they see fit.

 

It actually reads: "If you purchase DRM songs (lets say from Napster) and Napster's software has a hole in it which allows users to strip the DRM, Napster has the right to contact Microsoft to disable that software and make the user update to a newer, patched version that does not allow the user to strip the songs of it's DRM".

It's fine if you have a problem with DRM, all of us do, but this is a far cry from "Microsoft has control over your files and may do what they see fit".

 

Oh ok...thank you for clarifying that for me cuz i honestly didnt know.

Mozilla>IE(any version)

 

While the whiners of this thread could stop complaining and just use XP, Mac OSX or Linux, they probably won't. They're too busy wasting their time with these pointless threads. If you must complain, go call Microsoft.

 

Slower than xp and had to reinstall it 3 times...

 

Fine, let's close all the forum talking about software problems.
They're pointless, aren't they?
After all if someone uses a software it's because they like everything in that software. Otherwise they're whiners.

I like it: it's either black or white.

How simple life would be this way.
Especially for software vendors.

 

I love Vista too. The thing I hate is UAC but can be turned off, still less annoying than su/sudo on linux anyway...

I didn't find it to boot any slower on my desktop than XP (wich gets slow fast when you install things on it). On my laptop, I always use hibernation (one reboot a week or something like this).

Lots of the basing is from people who haven't tried it... One of my friend told "we tried to install BF2 on my cousins' vista comp but it didn't work...". I said "huh? you installed patches and tried XP compat mode?" and he awnsered "well, i looked a bit but it's a generalised problem, it works for no one". The same day, I looked myself on google and didn't find anyone with BF2 not working....

 

Just like when XP came out, it had some changes that annoyed me. Once I realized that I could change settings to fix those issues, and with a little -reading-, it works great. I'm not trying to run it on outdated hardware either, which helps. This may sound pretentious, but if it weren't for people who tried new ways of doing things, or pushed the envelope, we'd still be stuck using monochrome displays on computers with 64k of RAM.

 

Stop complaining. I love vista.

 

SP1 bricked my X205-SLI3

 

I love Vista on my M1530. It r0x0rz.

 

Well said...

Software demanding more drives hardware to be better.

 

Think of it this way:

Windows 98 - good

Windows ME - bad

Windows XP - good

Windows Vista - bad

Windows 7 - good?

Do I see a pattern??

 

You're missing a few:



Source: Wikipedia

 

too slow and it freezes on me all the time.

(On a PC laptop, I'm not talking about my macbook. )

 

You say that it runs like crap on the PC but not the mac?

That alone proves are bad/messed up/ bloated OEM installation and not vista's direct fault...

 

User error accounts for 90% of all claims against an OS, no matter which one.

 

lack of third party software and drivers...(early stages)

 

That comment is so 2005.

 

And in some cases, still applicable.

And one of the big things I hate about Vista, is having it installed on my MacBook means more indexing and a slower boot time.

 

+1, most of "I hate vista" rants are due to user's incompetency.

 

You completely missed my point. You're not talking about software problems. Look at the pages of this thread; are there any constructive posts? Is anyone getting closer to finding solutions, or are they just posting things like "vista sux"? This is just another flame thread where whiners complain and do nothing.

 

Finding solutions to a kernel or GUI problem in a proprietary and closed sorce OS?

How could that be?
One can only point it out.

Mostly because it would be illegal to disassemble and patch the code.
It is a thread pointing to what certain users perceive as weaknesses of an OS.
People thinking about upgrading to Vista can see what seems wrong with it.
It is highly informative to know that a useful feature like shadow copy can't be enabled only for certain folders, but needs to be on for the whole disk (->thrashing disk space)
It is useful to know that there are users whose file transfer speed is ridiculous wrt XP on the very same system, despite having updated Vista to the last second.

Criticism is useful to everyone who needs to make an informed decision.
Fanboys are useless from this point of view: they are just shadows of the company's advertisment.

 

Looks like you got problems that you are about the only one to have. I haven't seen any of your problems. Did you install SP1 from a clean install? I got like 1 or 2 explorer crashes since I bought my C90S

 

i liked vista initially. pretty GUI, not too slow, some nice improvements in windows explorers, thumbnail size, etc.

however, in the short 6 weeks i've owned my dell 1420, i've gotten numerous program errors, two BSODs, my sidebar keeps disappearing on me, i've gotten error messages about prefetch and host processes for windows server has stopped working. from sleep/hibernate, vista "blinks" 3-4 times before waking up. i've lost songs i was trying to download from amazon.com because vista pooped out on me during a file transfer.

i wanted to like it. i still like many parts of it, but for some odd reason, things are now going downhill for me.

 

I don't hate Vista, in fact I love it.

I've been using it since the fist LONGHORN betas were out, and the RETAIL version since the 1st day it was out.

Main things that bother me are:

Explorer still has a problem remembering windows sizes.

Double clicking on the IE address bar to copy the link, usually only selects "some" of the content, not the entire thing. And I don't really understand why this happens!

Transfer speeds to external devices and even between internal devices is slower than in windows XP.

Adding to the problem, Vista takes too long calculating everything, when selecting files to be moved, copied, or for whatever other reason.

And my maing problem, THE SEARCH FEATURE. Damn hate it.
It's not available in Explorer by default. It is complicated to do a search now. The search fields get cleared and go away when pressing the backspace key.

The search option is completely ***ed up. And it doesn't look like SP1 will fix it.

Why can't we just have the OLD search style option available. Much better, and accurate and simple to operate.

 

Kernel problems? I haven't seen one person complain about kernel problems on this forum; most people don't know anything about kernels. No, the problems are more related to fixable parts of the OS; drivers, for instance. These issues are not only not Vista's fault but also easy to repair. People are simply too technically illiterate to fix these problems; instead, they simply complain. Simply look at the posts on this thread!

 

I dont hate Vista though... What do I do?

 

You just keep on keepin' on. That's what you do.

 

I don't hate Vista, but overall it seems to be an update that doesn't really do much for the end user.

Eventually I'll buy a new PC, at that point I'll get Vista, however until then I've seen no reason to spend money for an operating system that does precious little more than my current OS (XP).

 

i don't hate vista, I just hated the price for ultimate..until microsoft sent me a disc free in the mail for doing the wfp thing. =D

 

Where do you think the security and recovery features are implemented?
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/04/VistaKernel/default.aspx

Besides, whatever you call that, I'd rather not declare the drivers guilty, especially when they are the same version, if not the same driver, for Vista and for XP.

Yes, show me how to repair the file transfer problem that had my files transferred (between two partitions of the same hard disk) at the impressive speed of 600kB/s, and could even reach the astounding peak of 1.8 - 2 MB/s.
I will reinstall Vista only for that.
I am not mentioning the speed toward the USB key, that was in the 10 kB/s range... (that got better after the update but still slower than my 2002 Win98 rig, LOL).
With XP, now, I don't even have the time to see the file transfer window (on disk).

It's immaterial whether they know if the source of their problem is the microkernel, a kernel module, a service, a mui, a gui a hewey-dewey-luoie.
What counts is that something with their vista rig prevent them from doing what they want.
And the fact that they are technically illiterate means that that's the rig they got from their manufacturer: Vista preinstalled with the correct - specific and customized - drivers.

Tell me: how do I enable the shadow copy feature for only the files in F:\MyDocs ?
And how do I set up the UAC in order not to ask me permission when I create a folder in the start menu and immediately after that when I have entered the folder's name?

What driver should I change?

 

The only people who fall into this category are people like you, who do a little more than what the average person will. What gets on my nerves are the people who don't know jack **** about computers, and start roasting Vista when they're going to take it home and use Google plus a little Notepad, and the only reason is because they hear everyone else complaining about it.

You have genuine problems with Vista, and you're not using it. Good. Now stop telling Grandpa and Grandma that Vista Suxorz because if they ask me, I will upsell them on a $300 copy of XP with a $130 install.

 

Thats exactly the point behind my posts, Sredni Vashtar. I should have just written this. Once again, look at many of the threads on this forum and you will see that most posters either never tried to fix the problems themselves before asking for help, or they complain about whatever product they are using (ex, Vista) without taking the initiative. Thats what this thread is. Anyways, thats all I have to contribute to this thread.

 

The "remaining time" thing is fixed on my May 07 autopatcher

Why don't you just use the start menu search bar?

 

Transferring files from one folder to another is "more than the average person will" do?
And what does the average person usually do, on average? Stares at the screen saver?
I take it that the average person won't even dare customize his/her program start menu, but moving files from here to there should be one of the main reasons to have an OS.

Ever wondered what makes "everyone else" complaining about it?
Ever wondered what makes Service Packs and patches and hotfixes come out?
No, it's not the Holy Ghost, I assure you.

I thought I was a whiner.

No, it's not good at all. Because I had to pay for Vista.
And I got an OS that has problems in trasferring files, trashes my disk for no reason (hey, I just want to shadow-copy certain folders), wastes my time with absurd UAC doublechecks (hey, if I create a new folder here it is to be expected that I want to give it a name different from "new folder", otherwise I'll end up with folders with the same name), uses my resources for other people's purposes (DRM, anyone?), does not allow me to do what I want but does what it wants (how about the nice feature of Vista's backup that lets you back up only file types and not the folders you like?; we already mentioned shadow copy and defender and UAC, right?).

That's definitely not good.

Wait, let me get this straight. You do not want people to complain about their genuine problems with Vista because...?

Because otherwise people that you think are too stupid to understand why they are not able to do what they want might ask XP instead of Vista and get swindled in the downgrade?

It is not the first time that you ask not to express one's view in this forum, and your 'designation' "janitor" makes one think that you like order (and ordering).
Too bad this is a place where one can say what they think.

 

i think it's reasonable that a person should be able to get through a day or two without program errors, freezing up and/or crashing. i edit photos, use picasa, sync music, email, use windows explorer (and notepad!!!), post on forums, backup files, etc. i do more than the average person. i understand computers more than the average person, and i'm telling you i have problems with vista.

there's no need to get condescending. when you pay $500 - $1000 or higher for a laptop/computer, it should just work. i don't buy that "you get what you pay for" crap and i'm sick of hearing "well, did you update your drivers?" i'm sorry, but when i buy a BRAND NEW laptop, i shouldn't have to worry about stuff like that. and try telling that to the general population over 40 - they have no idea what a driver is and they shouldn't need to worry about it. and neither should i. we're not fixing a broken car here, we're talking about a new OS - it should work, period.

 

I just bought a new Vista desktop and was wondering: what's a driver? Sorry, guys, I'm over 40. LOL

 

i can't tell if you're kidding or not... but a driver is basically software built for hardware parts that allow them to work properly.

 

I'm talking about real search options.

For deleting files created on certain dates / time.

Browsing through thousands of pictures / mp3's to find duplicates or "lost" directories

Moving thousands of files to organize them into specific folders

....

 

No. The average person will pay $159 to have someone else move their files for them. Not to mention that I've never had problems moving a file to another place, or another computer.

I do know what "everyone else" is complaining about. Everyone else is complaining because everyone else is. Get it? It's cyclic. It takes a handful of people to stir the sea. And once that's done, Gramps starts complaining. And don't tell me Mac OS or Linux doesn't use patches or hotfixes. They may not be called the same thing, but all OS's are updated. What would you rather? They come out with an OS and offer no support for the next 3 years? Oh, wait I know...you want them to make the damn OS absolutely perfect before they release it in 2050.

That was a compliment that you broke up into two quotes. But I have a few more choice words to describe you.

Next time someone forces you to purchase an OS, CALL THE COPS. Where the hell do you live that you have to ever buy a non-essential good? But I guess with your attitude, some Microsoft fanboy is bound to hold you at gunpoint and force you to purchase Vista.

Did I ever say that? I explicitly made it clear that I don't want stupid people whining about it. You're fine, but you stir up the stupid people when the reviews list all the things you can't do with Vista (fly a spaceship, cook a dinner, create world peace), and the stupid people relate that to "OMFG, it's Vista. I hear it takes 3 days to turn on IE. Does it do GOOGLE?".

I stop fanboyism. I stop anti-fanboyism. I stop people who claim they were forced to purchase an OS. I stop people who think Microsoft was forged in the depths of Hell. The fact that you press on about the 3 things Vista can't do, and ignore everything that it can do, even on top of XP, puts you squarely in one of those categories. And my designation "janitor" is a sense of humor. Thanks.

Don't like shadow-copy? Use Linux, use Leopard and TimeMachine. I'll be the first one to recommend that. Don't know what shadow-copy is? Congratulations, you're in the 90% of the population that doesn't. Don't like UAC? Turn it off, like me. Or refer to my first recommendation. Don't know what UAC is? Congratulations. Don't like Vista's built-in backup? Pretend it never existed and use a third-party program. Or refer to my first recommendation. Don't ever backup? Congratulations. Those may be genuine problems for certain people. Those certain people can yell and scream all they want. But if you claim that XP is twice as fast as Vista while word processing or internet surfing, that'll be $429 please.

 

Im thinking of moving onto Vista Home Premium; my first problem was that thing that pops up whenever I do ANYTHING. I open regedit, it asks for permission, I open system properties, it asks for permission.....can that annoying thing be disabled? And also, is 2gb of ram enough? Last time I installed Vista (for 1hr only, to run some benchmarks) it was slow as a snail....there are ways to optimize it right?

And most importantly, how much % decrease would I get from XP to Vista? In general and in games. Thanks

 

That "thing" is User Account Control (UAC), and yes, it can be turned off. Refer to the Vista Tweaking Guide on how to do that plus other useful Vista tweaks.

 

What I don't like about it:

Too much stuff in it. Takes up 15GB! So much stuff I don't even need or use, so I have to use Vlite to take stuff out. I hope Windows Seven starts small and then lets you add what you want to it.

 

Yes, you need to install a year full of updates. And did you do an upgrade or clean isntall? Upgrades are as buggy as XP ones were.

 

I just upgraded, and yea half my hardware doesn't work, the Vista drivers aren't helping either, it's like Big ol Bill refuses to install it.