Why do YOU hate Vista

u could turn the UAC off... and the fancy animations.

 

Did you do upgrade or clean?

According to your description of your computer, it should actually be half of the hardware that doesn't work on XP...

 

As i know, vista starts out like a snail, but later on after a few days, it ll be booting up like just a little bit slower than xp. Still, not enough reason for me to switch yet.

 

Initially Vista is slow because it is indexing the entire hard drive. Disabling this feature will speed things up.

 

Paying someone else to move their pictures from /users/johndoe to /myDocs/phototokeep ? What are you talking about?

Neither did I, before stumbling into Vista.
(Actually there's one Win98 rig whose GUI freezes for a couple of minutes after trasferring multiple files, MS support just acknowledged the problem and said there was no solution. Thanks.)

You do?
Or you think you do?

A creationist, I see. God created the world, the sky, the fossils and a bunch of negative comments on Vista.
So it is not true that certain users have problems moving files even after updating the system. It is not true that most features are either all or nothing. It is not true the the UAC is implemented in an absurde way (and according to MS itself will be modified in SP1). Everyone is just running in circle, pretendng to see those behaviors.

Because they know jack**** about computers, of course.
When they happen to know something about computers, they have genuine problems but should not tell anybody, because they would be misleading the ignorants.

You got it all wrong. I was not saying that updates, fixes and patches are despicable. I was saying that the reason an OS gets patched and gets better (hopefully) is because people with problems speak up.
Criticism is good.
Unless you are an immature child, of course.

What would you rather do? Keep it under cover and hope in the Holy Ghost to take care of the bugs?

Read again.

"No, it's not good at all. Because I had to pay for Vista."

Where did you see the "forces you to purchase an OS", here?
I am complaining about a good I paid money for. I expect that to function at least in its basic form: moving files from folder A to folder B, for instance.
Is that asking too much? I did update the darn system before wiping it.

"Now stop telling Grandpa and Grandma that Vista Sux"

Care to name the stupid people in this thread?

Wow, moving files from one folder to another is for Vista like "fly a spaceship" or "create world peace"? I didn't know it was that hard.

Lithus, the Bringer of Order.
See, you still don't get it: the fact that someone (like the EU Parliament, or the US Court of Justice to name a few that thought Microsoft's behavior was not that crystal clear regarding competition) do not agree with your point of view does not mean that they are wrong. Nor that their ideas should be "stopped".
Besides, I'm writing this from a Win98 box, and I have XP on the laptop.
Moreover, do you think I take everything that comes with Linux as a godsend?

Excuse me, is this thread still titled "why do YOU hate Vista"?
This is insane: it's just like going back to the car dealer because the brakes are not working and having to praise the windshield wipers for the egregious job they did. Criticism is not bad, Lithus. Get it over with: it helps in growing, in getting better.

See? You really don't get it. One of the things people say not to like in vista is this "all or nothing" behavior and what do you say? "If you don't like it, turn it off".

Ok, let's turn off UAC, System Restore, ShadwCopy, Search indexing, Backup, Defender, Aero. What have we paid Vista for? For a DOS box?
As if it weren't enough, One should not complain about it not to stir the "stupid people".

 

Fine. I get it. You don't just hate Vista, you hate OSX and Linux too. I guess you hate everything. Esp. with Vista's slow file transfer times and all.



And just to let you know, I'm really good at Photoshop. Just to stop you before you make that claim.

Tell me how "had to buy" doesn't imply that, well, you had to buy it. I went to KFC, and there was chicken on the menu. This obviously means that I had to buy the chicken. No one forced me to buy it, but I had to buy it. See the logic?

If you turn off that stuff, you get an operating system without backup functions built in. Oh noes, you have to drag and drop. How did people survive back in 2004?!

 

That gave me a good laugh lol. It's true, I had Vista installed a few hours ago, and it was pure crap. My games ran with significantly low fps, even after reffering to the vista tweak page on said forums. The tweaks basically told you to disable everything lol, it's funny how they were't disabled/removed in the first place. I'm back on XP, using IE with ALL my hardware working, woohoo!

 

Get it over with it: criticism is not Evil.

Oh, for the love of...
Unlike you, I am not dismissing other people's claims about vista.
It's just that some work and others don't. The fact that the brakes of your car are fine does not mean that the other people with brake problems on that model just can't drive. Especially when the car maker recalls that particular model.

The world is not either black or white. A bug can be triggered by whoknowswhat.

Sure, it is called "building a straw man".
I did not write "I had to buy", but "I had to pay".
Read again.

Since the OS was forced on that system (read again "that system") I had to pay it. I would have rather had it for free, but the reps at Dell did not yield.
I had to pay for it.

As for the chicken example you still don't get it eh?
It's not one product: but two products of different manufacturers with different conditions.
Let's stay in the fast food area: it's like being a vegetarian, going at McDonald and ask for a cheeseburger. Too bad that they also give you a meat hamburger. And the same happens in every fastfood in the Country.
Not only you have to contibute to killing a calf, but you have to pay for it too.

Oh, yes, you could either go on diet (who forced you to eat, after all? Nobody's pointing a gun at you!) or pay ten times as much to go to the only restaurant in town.

 

I know some people have been able to get a refund for XP & Vista at Dell but the factory OEM prices are so low (you pay about $40 for a Vista home prenium) that well, they got a $40 refund.

When you customize at Dell and change the operating system (i.e, +$200 for HP->Ultimate), you actually pay the HP factory OEM + a Retail Upgrade liscence for Ultimate. https://na.windowsanytimeupgradestore.com/WAU_DIRECT/Home.aspx

It's the same prices.

 

I'm tired of quoting. So you figure out what I'm responding to.

Criticism is not evil. Just don't be surprised when someone refutes it.

OK, so I guess Vista is a special type of software, where one copy operates differently from another? Guess what, it's software. It's black and white, 1's and 0's. It either works or it doesn't. Brakes are hardware, affected by heat, build, condition, etc. Maybe it was cold that day you did file transfers, and your electrons were moving slower than mine?

OMG, really? You mean that Dell doesn't give away stuff for free? And you had to pay for it?! Or would you like me to use another synonym for "pay"?

Back to KFC. I like chicken. I bought their famous breaded chicken. I don't like breading and those mother----, wouldn't refund me for the breading. They had the nerve to tell me to buy baked chicken. Those a-holes.

Don't like Vista? Don't buy a computer that uses it as the operating system.

 

i find Vista64 more effiient than XP
i like its stable and it does what i say. No problems of any kind so far
BUY IT!

 

I'm happy with Vista Ultimate 32-bit on my notebook. I have it optimized and it runs rock solid.

I still run XP Pro SP2 on my desktop so I can play games.

 

Oh my.
A few examples:
Localizations.
I may have three partitions and you only one.
Certain modules can be loaded in a different order. due to a different installation order.
A bug can show up only at 1280x800 and 32k colors because only that portion of the code writes a bunch of zeros in your MBR.
there is a bug in the filenames managements and Koean filenames cause a general protection fault.

Do you really think that everyone the world has the full spectrum of bugs found in an OS? The environment means a lot. If the OS is not bugged it works flawlessly. If it is bugged certain lucky combination can trigger the bug.

 

Refer here.

So I'm being dismissive as I show you that there aren't any problems with file transfers, and you're just being downright fair in constantly saying that there are?

 

LOL, this is getting surreal.
You did not show that there aren't any problems with file trasfers.
You just showed that your system has not that kind of problem.

This is basic logic.
I can prove a bug by showing you a particular instance with problems.
You can't prove there isn't any, by showing me a particular instance without problems.

May I ask you how old are you Lithus?
Have you ever written a line of C code?

Let's try another example.
Did you hear about the Sony batteries who took fire a year or so ago?
Do you really think that every single Sony battery in the world took fire?
Or only certain ones?
Do you think that showing a Sony battery not taking fire would have meant anything but "I do not know what logic is"?

 

Thanks kiddo. Resorting to personal attacks.

You imply with your criticisms of Vista that all machines have those problems. I show, with an example, that that is not true.

I will not and can not prove that Vista is perfect. It is far from it. I can and will prove that Vista is a fine OS, that it can handle all the tasks that the average user requires from it, and most required from professional users. Your few personal quips about it are far from enough to designate it a "useless DOS box".

#include {iostream.h}
main()
{
for( ;; )
{
cout << "Hello World! ";
}}

 

I am just trying to understand if your lack of knowledge is only due to your young age.

No, I imply that vista has bugs that make file transfer slow on certain machines. I never said anything to people claiming they are fine with Vista, neither did I confute your claim of an overall good speed. If every Vista rig had the ridiculous file transfer speed I had, you could bet that in the meadows of Redmond there would be scores of programmers impaled by Gates himself.

I am a purist of C, the ANSI kind. That's more like C++
So, if you wrote code you should know that apart from the few academic cases in which you can enumerate all possible outputs you can't say that your program is bug-free by showing correct running instances.

Nothing personal, I just like being a tad sarcastic.

 

Correct, however, you cannot dismiss a program by the basis that there is a bug in the code. I can't even fathom how many lines of code make up Vista, being a programmer yourself (I assume) you know that no program would ever be released if all the bugs had to be ironed out. Microsoft corrected the file transfer problem that you're talking about with a patch. End of story.

Program Hello
Do 10, I=1,10
Print *,'Hello World'
10 Continue
Stop
End

Old enough.

 

I would have to part with the people disproving Lithus, as their answers reflect reality. Vista does have bugs, tons infact, and just because you have yet to encounter any (or many) doesn't mean they don't exist. They're there, I'll tell ya. Half my apps crashed right after installing the half-assed OS.

 

There. There you go. Exactly what I'm talking about. Claiming that Vista has a 50% failure rate. Sredni, you're a smart man. You make good points as to where there are genuine faults with Vista. Select others don't.

 

This thread should be closed. It's only inviting more biased opinion into, and all of the problems discussed have been talked about before. So, how is talking about them again really going to do anything?

Oh, and in my usage, I haven't had a single BSOD in Vista nor any problems besides the occasional slowness until I updated my GPU driver. I have no regrets not un-installing it.

 

Agreed, that is so '05.

Counldn't have said it better.

 

Software of any kind is always a mixed bag; it depends on the hardware and software installed on that hardware as well as the users' knowledge of what they are doing. While half of your applications crashed, none of my games worked; I should have come here, right? No, I fixed it by installing superior drivers; I haven't had any issues since. Too bad that other people don't have these basic problem-solving skills that comes with every computer you buy.

 

Vista does everything I ask of it. It rocks!

 

Now i dont think i shouldve named this thread "why do you hate vista." Instead maybe something else wouldve been better because now we have a contest of whos right. This whole situation is equivalent to a simple math equation= BOTH PEOPLE ARE RIGHT. How? Well, Lithus is because he seems to not have (m)any problems with Vista and so he is right in saying that Vista is good. Srendi is also correct in this case because he has genuine problems (possibly unfixable at the moment) with Vista. However that being said, Lithus seems to understand that some people do have different experiences with Vista, and some of them are along the negative side. Srendi seems to be taking a somewhat different approach and saying he doesnt like it because it wont work for him the way he wants it to. So Srendi believes it to be a "flawed OS." In the end, different people WILL have different experiences with the same things.

 

Here, I have a rant for you.

I hate Campbell's Chunky Soup. I had a can in the fridge, and the darn thing froze on me. So now I don't have soup, I have a frozen block of beef and potatoes encased in a tin can. I'm hungry gosh darn it. Now I have to wait for it to defrost.

Who should I blame? Campbells, the fridge, or my microwave for not liking metal? Jokes aside, I want my soup! Now!

Edit: It's 2:23, and the soup is done. Probably the least appetizing meal you've ever seen.

 

Wrong! KFC's chicken of any sort takes the honor - ugh.

 

I don't even bother to read these Vista vs XP threads anymore. I have chosen to use what OS I want, no OS is perfect. Why is it that some people feel the need to go on and on about the same issues/topics over and over again? IMHO this Vista vs XP argument is waste of internet bandwidth.

 

It's something people want to talk about. Like Ford vs. Chevy, Alliance vs. the Horde, Up vs. Down, whatever. People will have their positions, and stay attached to them.

Me, I hate pretty much everything Microsoft has done, except for getting computers in the hands of people. Their software is largely sub-standard, and have attained a grip on the business world through unethical tactics. That's why I run Linux on all of the computers that I own.

That being said, it's only a waste of bandwidth if you click on it Otherwise it's just a few bits on a drive somewhere in the ether. If you don't want to read it... then don't.

 

You should have put a bowl of water in the microwave, and then let the tin heat up in the hot water.

EDIT: this is only possible because the microwave lid makes it an Open Source of heat.

 

just out of curiosity: who read this thread to you?

 

Who said I hate Vista?

 

Ok - here's something I hate about Vista -WGA! I have a new laptop. I reinstalled Vista when I got my new laptop to get a fresh install and used the valid product key to activate. It didn't like that, so I had to call in and waste 10 minutes on the phone to prove that the software I bought is the software I bought. Then today, for no reason that I can determine (no hardware changes), I get a message popping up that my install of Vista is invalid and needs to be validated. I call back in. The automated thing fails. I speak to someone and get it reactivated. Another 15 minutes wasted for no reason.

It's an advantage to no one. The pirates continue to steal, and folks like me that actually pay for their software get pestered and waste time for -no- reason. And to think, the money and time MS spent on this crap could have been invested making Vista actually perform better, look better, act better, etc. MS needs to kill this crap.

 

Up ftw man.
Anyone care to challenge me?

 

Actually, my comment about the microwave not accepting metal is purely false. You can put almost anything but Aluminum in a microwave with absolutely nothing happening. I just put the tin can in and hit defrost. Still some nasty looking soup though, it's brown, and slowly oozes out of a cylindrical can. I'm sure you can find a suitable metaphor.

The same guy who made you buy Vista. Alright, that was a low blow. Sorry.

You should know that the penultimate debate on these forums is Horses v. Unicorns. Screw anything else.

Alrighty then. We are so off topic.

 

lol at all the vista bashers. either way microsoft wins, we all use their OS be it XP or vista.

 

And we know the ultimate one is what goes faster -Marmite or Leopard skin trousers?

Plus, theres info on some major improvements to Vista.

 

Often when Vista applies a critical update, it somehow invalidates itself; I can't explain it in detail. This has happened to me twice.

 

The problem is that the companies are really given no option in regards to piracy. Behind the anonymity offered by the internet, people steal on a whim. This forces the companies to try and protect themselves, yet unfortunately, it hurts their customers as well.

 

Yes, but even WGA is embarrassingly easy to circumvent... why does MS even waste their time playing these silly cat-and-mouse games; apparently they are changing their strategy for the better with Windows Seven.

 

Anything is notoriously easy to circumvent for someone with access to Google. If there was a foolproof way of protecting your software, all the companies would be using it. Like I said, people have backed the software companies into a corner. They don't have a choice but to secure their products with a crappy system.

 

Oh, crap. I didn't realise that Canonical was owned by MS, when did that happen?

 

Granted "all" is probably not the best word to use, but...

 

in a conference bill gates announced that the design team at microsoft kept their product a competitive item on the tech market by comparing and improving their product based on existing leading modern products, he later went on to say that "such industries as macintosh aim their product on a modern basis, we at microsoft when designing vista have strived to ENHANCE OUR PRODUCT HAVING STUDIED MACINTOSH OPERATING SYSTEMS AND HAVE CAME TO A MORE MODERN WINDOWS"

Now we all no that windows dominates sales of pc in both lappy and desktops but now the major company are copying the smaller ludicrious!!!!!! also i am now a converted mac user, my desktop is running vista and i hate everything, they have copied and done a half A$$ed job of it. vista is microsoft working out that their product is getting old and tired, in one desperate attempt to breathe life into their product they copy the ever growing apple company, like anything the fakes, or copies are always sub standard. THEY COPIED MAC, SO WHY NOT BUY THE ORIGINAL?????

but hey some say im a little bias

-liam2051 (devoted mac user, ironically due to vista haha)-

 

I don't have a problem at all with MS protecting their revenue. I just think the method used should be biased in a way that hurts the pirates and not the paying customer.

I'd imagine 80+% of Windows Sales are OEM. There should be some way to completely exclude those machines from any WGA check. We -know- the machine was purchased with Vista - why waste time checking later on to see if it was -still- purchased with Windows? If the BIOS says the machine is Dell or HP or Lenovo or any of the other makers that pre-install Vista on 99.9% of the machines they sell, why bother with WGA and annoying the customer? MS knows that somewhere along the way, they got paid for the OS.

And why create a system where reinstalling the OEM copy on that same machine and using the key code attached to that machine results in an invalid product key code that forces the user to call in to activate? It's a huge waste of time and resources for folks MS -knows- are paying customers. MS should encourage end users to reformat OEM machines and get rid of the crapware. I imagine a significant number of complaints about performance of MS OSs is directly attributable to the crap that OEMs put on top of a clean MS OS. Apple is certainly good at pointing this out...

The real threat to MS revenue is large scale pirates that are repackaging MS wares and reselling. The protection MS puts in place does nothing to stop these guys as they only have to figure out one crack and replicate it, and they have the time and financial incentive to do it. WGA just bothers legitimate users, and possibly stops a small amount of individual user piracy that amounts to nothing compared to the big-time thieves.

And, looking back at history, MS somehow managed to become massively dominate and extremely profitable prior to taking the default assumption that their customers were thieves. I know I've read articles that theorized MS's rise to dominance was actually aided by piracy of their products - people pirated for home use what their company paid for at work - which spread MS's user base will still generating revenue. I guess that now they are dominate, they want all the revenue they're entitled to, but I sure wish they'd find a less annoying way to get it.

In short, MS should protect their revenue, but if I'm using a machine that I can't possibly buy without a Vista license, then I should -never- see a WGA screen. I've seen 3 so far, so the system is broken.

 

Sure, I would like that too, but unless there's a breakthrough, it's not going to happen. Maybe start a fingerprint registry of all pirates and have everyone scan their thumb? Or do a voice recording to prompt the user to say "Arr, I'm a pirate matie!". Like I said, if there was a foolproof way, they'd be using it.

Because that would be very easy to spoof. Even easier than the existing methods of cracking a copy.

The key on the bottom is not the same OEM key. It's a unique key just for the consumer who purchased that exact laptop.

Bloatware isn't caused by Microsoft, it's done by the computer manufacturers and retailers as a cost cutting method to get you a computer cheaper. Realize that Apple computers start at $1000. Buy a business class Windows machine and you won't get bloatware, don't be shocked that it's more expensive though.

True, WGA is a hassle, but if it prevents a few normal users from using a cracked copy, then it's done its job.

It's similar to the lock you have on your door. It can be picked in a few seconds, or I could just kick the window in. But having it there is still better (for you) than not having it locked at all.

 

I sat here reading every page of this thread....the above was close to perfect.
Now I have neither good or bad to say about Vista, because my laptop has XP. When I got XP, it was the first time I had used it, (my workplace was using 98 at that time.) I'm hoping to do what I did when I first turned this unit on 61/2 years ago. Just use it.
I just started typing papers for school. Doing Power Points here and there, learned how to use Media Player without a hitch, Win DvD works great, email and internet were fine, same with putting photos in a folder.
So if I just keep doing the same type of progam use, I expect (key word), to open up my (hopefully very soon), new laptop, give it a shot, and have no problems. I have to wonder if people who get into the guts of the programing and all these other heavy advanced techniqes, cause the problems on their own....but then again, the OS should respond to them as well. But the above quote is true. I'm gonna lay down the money for a new laptop, and that is it for the next 6-7 yrs. (It's only obsolete when it stops working). So I really would like to think it will work just fine.

 

Unfortunately that's completely untrue in the tech world.

 

my laptop is almost 7yrs old....it works so I keep it.
Can it do power point, word, internet, email, play cd's and burn cd's like a new laptop? Sure it can, albeit a little slower..
So it may be "obsolete" to a tech fanatic, but because it works, it's not to me.

 

40% of laptops require service within 4 years. So good luck.