Win10x64Pro upgrade from Win8.1 thoughts and musings...

The clear statement in the MS EULA makes this a black and white choice.

Read it. I will post some snippets or a link to an earlier post. It's quite clearly stated.

 

You are being very melodramatic. Windows 10 is one of a dozen things that violate personal freedoms everyday. Seeing as you're so gung ho about it though, I'm assuming you don't own a smart device or travel by air (amongst other things)?

You're also misunderstanding what I mean by personal freedom is not black and white. This has nothing to do with the choice MS gives you, it's about something as trivial as Windows 10 not meaning you are stripped of all personal freedoms. Arguing in black and white is really tedious, understand that the world is shades of grey.

 

Most people don't deal with serious things in real life, they only know it as melodrama, to them it seems like a potential, a construct of fantasies they see on TV, or the Movics, things that don't really happen in real life.

I'm not gung ho, or being melodramatic, I am telling you that if you read the EULA, it will become clear.

Read it for what it is, a clear and concise statement that they are going to have access to everything you have on your Personal (Private) Computer, and you give them the right to access it any time they like for any reason they conceive without prior notice.

And, you agree to that EULA, or don't get to install Windows 10.

That's as black and white as you can get.

Here is a post with a few snippets and URL's to the EULA and 1 article, not particularly picked, just near the top of the Google search.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/is-windows-10-worth-installing.784057/page-2#post-10137202

There are lots of other OS's that don't require this agreement to use them. There are plenty of alternatives. Windows 10 doesn't offer a stable environment to rely on - no advantages over the alternatives.

What's the point of agreeing to an unfair exchange? Run something else.

 

Oh boy

Their EULA is pretty amusing I agree. But EULA's are not law. I'd like to see 1/5 of the stuff companies stick in them hold up in court in my country.

 

So, if it were real to you, in your country, you agree it's a bad idea to trade access to all of your personal information, activities, and those of your friends - all for access to Windows 10?

So, there is a place, not a place you feel you are in yet, where this would be a bad agreement to accept?

 

I've accepted similar EULA's in order to use my smartphone and probably a dozen other things. But more to the point, my privacy settings in W10 is set to Basic which does the following:

Now unless you have some ACTUAL evidence of this setting not working as it should, I don't believe any of the things you just suggested were being shared, ARE being shared.

And by actual evidence I mean evidence that is based on fact and reality.

 

MS went through the trouble of explicitly saying what they are going to do in the EULA, and I believe them.

That is good enough for me.

 

Nice. Who wants such junk? This behavior will be worse. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10.762434/page-240#post-10143119

 

Then please tell us how (step by step process) because I have turned all that stuff off using O&O Shutup10 and the other suggestions already put forth in this forum. We all want to try it your way since you've figured it out.

No, people here want to KNOW what the updates do. They want to pick and choose what updates they want for system stability. Prior to Windows 10 you could read explicitly what each KB was for before deciding whether to install that particular update(s). With Windows 10 that information is no longer there it's just general information and not specific information.

On my Windows 8 system I only install security updates because MS has gotten sneaky with the way it's delivering it's updates now and I really don't want to be bothered going through each update and discovering that I just enabled some new data telemetry feature or I just gave MS permission to download Windows 10. Prior to Windows 10, each KB update was listed separately and you can pick and choose.

So again if you know of a way to pick and choose what updates we want then please list a step by step process. Because there are a crapload of smart people who are proficient with computers on NBR who are still dealing with this nonsense.

This moderator is still having issues with forced updates:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/is-windows-10-pro-still-forcing-driver-updates.784297/

Others are still having issues with forced driver updates:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...s/454ef3b4-cbdf-400c-8076-bb3672830f10?auth=1

So again, i'm not trying to be a smartass, if you have it figured out then inform us all by giving us your detailed way to keep MS from wanting to install newer driver updates. I'd like to try it YOUR way.

 

Explain how Win 10 is much better than 8/8.1?

Cant go around and saying thats its better than 8/8.1 without explaining why.

Also i doubt gamers will eventually move to 10 as long NVIDIA keeps making crappy drivers and gamers will be forced to use them thanks to automatic driver updates with Win 10

 

Sure, but the complete lack of useful apps is its certain death. Nobody in his right mind, who is not a deluded fanboy, anyway, will buy such a phone.

By the way, beyond those high-volume, well-known apps (of which Windows phone has a few, but many are missing), there's a host of custom apps that are offered by amusement parks, banks, conferences, grocery stores, museums, the list goes on and on. In almost all cases those apps are exclusively available for the big two.

Now, I hear that Microsoft will try and let Android apps run on their phones, but everyone knows that's a kludge. If you're going to be running Android apps, why in the world would you not buy an Android phone, and know that your apps will in fact work, now and in the future? You'll get a much wider selection of hardware, and a much more appropriate OS to boot.

At the end of the day there is really no rational reason at all to get a Windows phone. Which is why the market share of these things will remain in the single digits, until Microsoft finally pulls the plug, like they did with their Zune players, leaving the people who were naïve enough to buy into those useless things holding the bag...

 

Again, not saying it will not fail, I just disagree with the companies intent.

The problem is not with concessions already done in the name of consumption devices. The problem is the privacy where as production is concerned. Leave the files, emails and keylogger out and you would go a long way toward shoring the OS toward consumer acceptance.

 

Ha, i'm still pissed MS screwed that up. I still have my Zune HD and it's a solid MP3 player, great sound, solid fluid UI and the Digital FM Radio (HD) is awesome. I still use it to this day.

 

I find that with certain members on various forums who say this or that is possible and why you are wrong but don't give any detailed information on how they achieved it. It becomes disinformation instead of proper information. That said, no angst against the poster you and I referenced. If he/she can set us straight on how to bypass MS crappy Windows 10 update delivery system, i'm all for it.

 

Hmm, I banned all forms of flying because of that. It started when the TSA was implemented. And if people would not make concessions and there were more like us who said shove it, i'm not putting myself thru that. It would send the proper signal to those in charge to reverse course. Unfortunately the world is quietly being tweaked and conditioned to accept this level of tyranny which continues to increase. All for our own good of course.

I believe it was Ben Franklin who once said: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

 

For those asking how to disable automatic driver installs, it is under Device Installation Settings in the hardware tab of system properties.

If your wondering if it actually works, I haven't had a single driver installed automatically since August.

Also MS is now planning to add notes to all updates, though I don't know when this comes into effect. It may have already actually.

 

Thanks for the info re automatic driver installs. Boy that should have been disabled with a combination of O&O Shutup 10 and disabling automatic updates via gpedit.msc which I did before setting up O&O Shutup 10. I'm no longer running Windows 10 so I can't check and verify. Maybe someone else can check that out.

Regarding MS adding notes to all the updates, that would be helpful if we can pick and choose which update we want. AFAIK, I get the update message with the group of KB's and I can defer but eventually IIRC it will still install them whether you want them or not. I know that's the case with Windows Defender.

 

Was it that hard to guess? I meant to type; of all the people and businesses that I know (including my company) that has given Win10 a try, NONE will go back.


As far as your expert analysis of WP, that is just your opinion.

I don't run any 'apps'. I don't install a million junk utilities on my computers (so why would I on an underpowered and simply too small to properly use 'smartphone'?).

The apps is what keeps me away from 'smartphones'. What a WP will do for me is give me the ability to seamlessly sync with my Windows based workflow, read my Word doc's, my Excel files and sync with my Outlook based organizational tools for my email needs. Not to mention the best note taking tool in the world: OneNote. Anything and everything else is useless to me.

Oh; except for it being a good phone too, of course.

The iPhone (for example) is useless at that. Echoing voices, lag between answering and being heard and other idiotic anomalies when used as the main purpose I bought it for (as a mobile phone...) makes for a very poor excuse of it existing at all.

And android is no better from the little I've cared to investigate into that virus infected, privacy deranged, google centric and 'hardware for a year' platform that would have me have NO mobile phone at all, if android was my only option.

Yes; Windows Phone is looking better and better all the time since it was announced that it would be based on the Win10 model. Anything else pales in comparison when productivity and (hardware) longevity is considered.

Add to that what certain WP models can do with continuum, and all the other handheld mobile devices look pretty dumb to me (yeah, I know; the world runs on dumbphones).

I'm not worried about looking like a fool. I only care if I am one.

And my measure of what is foolhardy or not is easy: if any 'tool' I incorporate into my tool bag isn't making me more productive, then I would be a fool for continuing to use it.

So far, I've not stuck on how I may look to others - I care for important things deeper than that and it doesn't matter if the whole world is walking the other way; I'll use and follow what has proven to work for me.

 

Perfectly fine; however, perhaps you should be more careful making the kind of global statements of yours that this thread is full of. Without exploring that subject any further, your smartphone usage as of right now is clearly wildly different from the one of the vast majority of smartphone users. In fact, from what you're saying above, one should ask why in all the world you're even using a smartphone. Oh, and my iPhone works perfectly fine. You do understand that the symptoms you describe may very well be due to you carrier and/or local cell phone network, and have nothing to do with the phone itself, right? But sure, if you're interested in a smartphone that has no apps, then WP is certainly perfect for you. Like I said, that's an extremely unusual MO, but by all means, enjoy.

So, back on topic, if all you're saying is that you feel that Windows X is the best OS ever for you, then, so what, big yawn. I can see a guy coming in here saying how OS/2 is the best OS for him. Again, so what? Such a person may have perfectly good reasons for such an assessment, too, but it is doubtful that his opinion would matter in any way for anyone else. Same with yours.

 

To the last two pages of this thread:

Yes, I too want to know what is fixed with the latest KB's issued by MS. Hopefully, MS can address this sooner rather than later?

As for the driver issues, etc.; this is the part where I've stated get to know the tools you're using (10 minutes can work wonders...) and learn to bend and use as you see fit.

The philosophical take on why Win10 shouldn't be considered (EULA, et al) can be projected to almost anything else you do online too. Yet, here we are, online, talking about dangers that exist in the minds of the few (but very vocal).

As for DX12 being the reason Win10 will succeed in the long run. Maybe. But I believe it won't be one thing or another. The whole is greater than the sum of the parts; and this applies to Win10 perfectly, imo. Everything is designed with one thing in mind: the future. And the MS future that I see does what I need.

Sure, I understand; we're talking about MS here. And there are years and decades of animosity towards them.

But that doesn't stop them from doing something different than what the world otherwise expects from them. And it doesn't stop them from doing it well either.

What came before is no indication of what will come in the future. Nothing is stacked one way or another.

But the writing is on the wall and we need to act, today (I've already started and don't ever plan on stopping - ever).

And as I've said before; not 'react' in some future time in a way reminiscent of what a chicken does after their head has been chopped off.

 

It isn't just that Win 'X' is the best O/S for me. It is the idea that marrying yourself to one (stuck in time) O/S is like putting a stone around your neck and then jumping off a bridge. The view may be fine on the way down. But down is where you'll go.

See my previous post for more.

 

A minor annoyance to me this past weekend was when MS pulled the 1511 update iso's from the update servers.

See:
http://arstechnica.com/information-...for-forgetting-privacy-settings-its-now-back/


They're back and the link shows why they were pulled.

Yes; this does show me (again) that MS can be trusted. At least, far, far more than some people here give them credit for.

 

Cumulative update for Win10 'KB3120677' also increments the version number to 10586.14.

But (yeah...) no info about what fixes/improvements it brings.

 

Complete nonsense, sorry. You like those flowery analogies, but unfortunately they have no ties to reality, of any kind. You like WinX, fine. I don't.

 

No flowery analogies. Just plain truth.

Tell me anything (tech) you use from half a decade or more ago without it being modified or limiting you is some very basic ways?

Not only does my hardware change (continuously...) but so does my software and workflows too.

What worked yesterday was great. Today is another challenge.

My take? Face that challenge head on. And no, you don't have to like it. Just do it.

 

Truth? You clearly have an extremely parochial view of the world.

Examples of technology that has not been substantially altered in a very long time abound, from airplanes to cars to engines to kitchen appliances. In software, I will argue that 99% of all users of Microsoft Word, say, will not be limited in any substantial way if you force them to go back to the versions from 5 or even ten years ago. In more demanding areas of document production, the TeX/LaTeX family of text processing systems has been in use, unchanged, for decades. In fact, Don Knuth has decreed that the design be frozen after version 3.0 (came out in 1989), and no new feature or fundamental change would be added, so all newer versions will contain only bug fixes. Unix operating systems have not seen any fundamental changes for decades, either. The file system underlying Windows, NTFS, was last updated to version 3.1 for Windows XP. The list goes on and on.

So, no, you simply don't know what you are talking about. You seem to be in love with certain pieces of software and their changes over time, but you are completely blind to the fact that others work differently. One can only hope that at least you truly understand your own requirements; I will say that the intensity of your conviction does make one wonder.

Be that as it may, you have no business making bold pronouncements about how others should work. You have no clue, none at all, what their requirements are. Worse, much worse, you intentionally refuse to even consider the possibility that your view of the world may not be valid for everyone. That is disappointing, and even a bit sad.

 

While the general principles around cars/planes/engines haven't changed much, I'd say they're significantly different from 5/10/15 years ago, so they're probably not the best examples.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your larger point, FYI.


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Pirx, your examples are far from perfect, but you keep missing the important point throughout our conversations:

This is my view of how O/S's should be (forward thinking and always/continually evolving).

I simply can't say it in every second sentence whenever we are discussing things, okay?

NTFS may be the same kernel at it's core, but the different abilities it gains (or are added) by each successive O/S make them essentially different from a user's perspective and effectively non-interchangeable either.

Airplanes? Cars? TeX/LaTeX? Unix? Huh? As you yourself point out, those 'techs' have been available for decades if not centuries and are more or less mature, understood and/or fixed. What can/will change with those is the electronics that will/may power them (and if they don't - they will be obsolete and phased out/replaced by modern versions soon).

But even then; I am not talking about time tested systems that are effectively archaic. I am talking about anything introduced in the last half decade to decade that is still in high demand (and climbing) that hasn't seen any changes. You offered none as examples.

It is these pieces of 'tech' that will change what happens in the next five to fifty years - not the mature, almost single purpose examples that you give as 'proof' of the opposite.

And it is these new ideas and paradigm shifts in thinking that needs an O/S that can change gears just as quickly.

Otherwise, Windows 7942 (vs. Windows 10) is just around the corner (before 2065, anyway).

So, I'll ask you again; what current tech do you use that you haven't seen upgraded in a major way in the last 5 to 10 years? Word processors and agreed to standards are not tech (in and of themselves). Airplanes create lift the same way since the Wright brothers understood and did it in 1903. Unix is hardly a consumer issue - even for the many on these forums.

I am not refusing to consider other's needs and workflows. That is why I started this conversation/thread.

But I think I have experienced a wide enough variety of workflows from many, many different client's point of view for many decades to generalize about things like I do here.

Are they applicable to everyone? No, I don't expect it to be universal. But I have not seen any valid proof of the opposite of what I state either.

Your thoughts are mostly theoretical and not of a personal/experienced nature. So, naturally, I continue to defend my position instead.

To give my perspective:

Since ~2009, this is just some of the things that have changed my workflows substantially:

• Testing high capacity 5400 RPM HDD's and finding them more productive (for me!) than smaller 7200RPM HDD's.
• SSD's (two years later...)
• LR v2.0 to LR 5.7 to LR 6.0+...
• 4GB to 8GB to 16GB RAM to 64GB+ max RAM capabilities on my systems
• Higher performing platforms (cpu's) with higher efficiency (important when running a few dozen workstations at once)
• Longer battery life (especially for light usage cases).
• WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8, Win8.1, Win10
• And I won't bore you with the advances made in the camera's, lenses and ancillary equipment I also depend on.

On the surface, those 'techs' haven't changed. The HDD/SSD is still the storage subsystem of choice. The photo editing software looks very familiar and the computer workstations still look like computer workstations.

But comparing what I could do in 2009 to what I can produce today would not be possible without the cumulative effects of the above and much more on my productivity.

If you read between the lines though; the O/S change at each critical stage is what allowed the hardware to shine.

The O/S is what brings the user, the software, the hardware and their data together (or not). And how synergistically it combines these aspects and translate that into 'productivity', overall, is my most important measure of the O/S.

So far, from the initial 'official' release (July 29, 2015) to yesterday's (November 24, 2015) Win10 1511 10586.14 cumulative update, each change MS has offered has had a positive effect on my workflows. At worse, it stayed the same (yet still better than what I've had with other O/S's), but I'm just saying that last part to cover all bases.

Same hardware, same workflows (in the space of 4 months...) and yet the experience has improved. Again; not just me saying it, but everyone else that I personally helped upgrade to Win10 too.

Can't seem to say this any better: Win10 is a win (sigh; for me).

YMMV.

 

I am terribly sorry, but when someone says things like " It isn't just that Win 'X' is the best O/S for me. It is the idea that marrying yourself to one (stuck in time) O/S is like putting a stone around your neck and then jumping off a bridge. The view may be fine on the way down. But down is where you'll go." then, at least in the version of English that is spoken on my planet, that someone is making a general pronouncement, and doesn't just report on his/her own experience.

Sure, but who the hell cares what you think? Let's not forget that this is coming from the guy who complains about his iPhone because of issues with his service provider, says he'd vastly prefer a Windows phone, and then proceeds to declare that he doesn't use any apps. Nothing more needs to be said.

Absolutely.

 

When does anyone else except for a PR person speak for anyone other than themselves?

You don't need to care what I think; you're right. But you also don't need to post in this thread either, too just to say things you can't back up (even when you're asked nicely).

My comment on the phone has to do with the general usability of what's available in my area - it has nothing to do with my service provider. 'Apps' are and will remain useless to me. I have no use for single purpose utilities that a real computer can do faster, better and with more depth and detail on a real monitor and a physical keyboard and mouse.

But phones have nothing to do with the experience I have with O/S's, platforms and productivity which is what this thread is about.

If you can't provide anything more concrete as examples of tech that hasn't changed (kitchen appliances? Really? In a notebook forum?), then you are better off not trying to support the side you seem to be on.

The point is; attack and challenge the ideas I bring. Leave the personal things out (like my non-dependence on 'apps').

I welcome you to continue this conversation. But you need to respond to the questions I ask too (and accept that maybe your answers are possibly not the answers you think they are either).

 

You really starting to sound like a shill now, You're telling us to install Windows 10 when we dont want to nor like it. You like Windows 10 thats fine its your computer(s) and business but i dont and wont ever like it since im basically handing over my control of my own computer to Microsoft

Also speaking of that, i got another Windows 10 popup a big one this time with two options "Upgrade Now" or "Upgrade later" I clicked on Upgrade later and guess what it did, it started downloading Windows 10 from Windows update and i quickly cancelled it, basically Microsoft once again trying to force Win7/8.1 users to install Win 10. I dont know how some of you be fine of what Microsoft is doing and all its going to do is to piss most people off.

 

It's been awhile, I thought Microsoft learned their lesson, who knows what steps MS will take to push Windows 10...besides tilleroftheearth is doing it poorly enough that he couldn't possibly be a professional shill

Former Microsoft Shill Openly Confesses, Alleges Microsoft Still Does This
http://techrights.org/2008/12/27/microsoft-shills-aka-te-secrets/

In 2015, Microsoft still has Technology Evangelist (TE) on their org charts...and linkdin shows open TE positions.

TechRights.org Microsoft articles - 9,489
http://techrights.org/category/microsoft/

TechRights.org Windows articles - 2,090
http://techrights.org/category/windows/

TechRights.org "Vista 10" articles - 54
http://techrights.org/category/vista-10/

Microsoft is Maliciously Trying to Install Spyware (Vista 10) on Many PCs in Its Windows Botnet
http://techrights.org/2015/11/12/the-windows-botnet/

 

I am sorry, but I have no further interest in this conversation. I am being charitable by not delving into the reasons for this decision of mine.

 

Microsoft has a long history of disclosing private data it has collected from users activity:

Microsoft is Breaking the Law by Giving Skype Data to Private Firms, Getting People’s Data (e.g. Web History) Through Facebook
Breeding the world’s largest surveillance engine
http://techrights.org/2012/11/06/microsoft-exposes-ids/

NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others (Microsoft/Hotmail)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
" Microsoft – which is currently running an advertising campaign with the slogan "Your privacy is our priority" – was the first, with collection beginning in December 2007."

And, to bring us current:

Decision in Microsoft case could set dangerous global precedent, experts say
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/09/microsoft-federal-case-data-security-precedent
" Decision in Microsoft case could set dangerous global precedent, experts say"

" Brad Smith, Microsoft’s top lawyer, told the Guardian last year that a win for the US will also encourage other governments to follow suit. “The US government cannot expect to have one model that it follows without anticipating that the rest of the world will follow that model,” Smith said. “And this is a model that encourages governments to reach into other territories. That does not seem like a sound approach to international stability or mutual respect in the 21st century.”

 

Such is the Win X HE. Useless for many. Say what you will @tilleroftheearth but this Os is junk. Everything should be plug and play if you run Win7/8 said micro$oft... But not with this modern pastel tile trash. http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/g73jh-windows-10-freezing.779600/page-7#post-10144913

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...shes-and-bsod-after-windows-10-update.784515/
Every pc brand have similar problems. Not only Dell.
How will you explain your old aunt or uncle how to fix similar problems on their pc's due to this Os?

 

I would be willing to bet every major tech company does that. I have visited my fair share of Apple forums, Google forums and there are individuals who feel those companies could do no wrong and will defend them to the hill even if you present them with factual evidence.

 

There are a number of tools created for Windows 10 Privacy (some also work on Windows 8/7 ) to remove spying. Here is a list that was new in August, and Updated mid-September:

Windows 10 Privacy Tools
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/

 

KING19,

See:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ghts-and-musings.779588/page-18#post-10144878


I'm not telling you to do anything, I'm saying if I were 'you', and 'you' wanted what I do (increased productivity not only today, but for the indefinite future too), that is what I would do.

hmscott,

Uhm, thanks for the support.


This is not about going "MS;'rah rah rah!'..." - rather, it is seeing what is possible for an individual and/or a business to use the latest tools available for their benefit. Period.

Are there issues to be concerned about and investigate further? Of course. But those little bumps in the road are not insurmountable and frankly, I would be a little more leery if there were no bumps at all.

What a corporation does on the marketing/business side of things has nothing to do with how well the product they offer works (or doesn't work) for me.

All I'm saying is that given the chance, Win10x64Pro has (for the last 4 months) proven itself invaluable in increasing my productivity by being a much smoother and responsive O/S, by using the latest hardware I run more optimally and by doing all this and being stable and reliable too.

That is a far cry from MS O/S's of old where a weekly/monthly/quarterly re-install was needed just to keep the O/S glitch free (while also demolish any 'productivity' gains it may have added, if any).

I don't believe the hype of what a company's marketing department dreams up; I simply test the new 'thing' in my workflow and compare how productive I was before and after. No assumptions, no synthetic/theoretical results to account for and the ROI is a simple calculation too; for every minute a new 'thing' frees my time up I am 'x' times more willing to give up my $$$$ towards that solution.

When that magic tipping point happens for 'free', like with Win10, it is simple for me to allocate a few minutes to see if I could bend the O/S to my needs and privacy standards (as I can apply the results to dozens of my systems without further time invested...).

Pirx,

Your call, but by not sharing your wisdom, all in the forum (present and future) lose.

hmscott,

Your following post just goes to prove that worrying about privacy, today (let's call it 2016, early edition...), is being a little late to the fact that this isn't a new issue.

Big business has always used what it had from it's customers to make as much as it can. Yawn.

The only difference today is that instead of lists delivered over the Postal Service in big black binders, they can sell the list a thousand times a day and all it costs them is a few pennies for hosting and download charges (if that).

Papusan,

One link shows issues continuing. The other seems solved.

Yeah; someone has a problem (I'm guessing it's gpu driver related...) in how many possible different billions of combinations of hardware/software that Windows runs on?

4 months into Win10... early days. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water, okay?

Rodster,

Yeah; SOP. Business as usual, ad nauseam.

That is why I read any company's promises and 'standards' with a pound of salt and prefer to do my own, in house, testing of the suitability of their products or services instead.

In this thread so far, I have not seen evidence to the contrary from others. Rather; just the continuation of myths and past truths of a much maligned O/S.

MS, the company? I don't care one iota for it personally. The tools it offers me? Invaluable.

hmscott, I like the idea of your post... but I would not trust or recommend any 'program' to do what it promises.

Manual (get your hands dirty and get the job done) methods are much better and safer, imo.

Allowing a program or programs to keep you 'safe' is a little too ironic for me.

 

This last few weeks them bumps just turned into pot holes. Please check out our Windows 10 thread.

4 months is not proving itself. Maybe 1-2 years. I will look into w10 in another year or so.

Some parts I do agree with you but they still have a long ways to go .

 

Link?

In one or two years I know that I would have lost the equivalent time in increased productivity from what I have so far... so, 4 months is good for now (as it is all I have to go on, today).

Of course, it is understood that if my experience was not so positive I would be stating that side instead...

 

I think this is why it works for you. Others are using older laptops that are 1+ years old and that is where the problem is but who can afford to go out and buy a new system every year.

Post #2406 here forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10.762434/page-241

 

Ok, I'll bite, produce this productivity increase data and show us what it has provided?

 

You're misunderstanding what I wrote. It works for me because it takes optimal advantage of the whole range of hardware I use (and no, I don't replace hardware that is otherwise working - it is replaced when it dies or I get the funds to upgrade my workstations en masse).

I have some systems that are 5 years old or more. And I have some with the latest platforms too.

Those links you provide has not happened to any of the systems I've been responsible to upgrading (300+ so far...).

I don't doubt their authenticity, but as I've stated, the countless permutations and combinations of Windows, programs, drivers and hardware make it all but impossible for some to not counter a problem or two.

I do not game, I rarely buy a system with a discrete gpu (waste of power and source of excess heat...) and I do not do experiments with the O/S that runs my businesses. That may be contributing to my positive experience with Windows 10 1511 10586.14...

 

Data?

I've stated already what my process to determine if a component, program or O/S is better or worse for me.

I switch the tested item in question on a known platform and simply use it for a week or more.

What Win10 has offered me so far:

A smaller footprint on my SSD's/HDD's vs. any other previous O/S.

A much more robust multitasking experience which I believe is because of better memory management (for both low RAM (2GB or less) and high RAM capacity systems.

Stability and reliability over and above Win8.1 (which in turn was better than Win7 and Win8 and miles better than Vista and XP ever hoped to be).

A much more fluid UI that takes the best of all the O/S's I've used so far and brings them together as optimally as I can imagine it could be.

Much less maintenance required by 'me' to keep the O/S going.

Increased storage subsystem responsiveness, better use of RAM, reliable drivers and overall system stability.

Overall, it feels like more than 10% increase to my productivity, but even if it's just a third of that or less, it is still on the positive side, otherwise, I would not have continued using it, nor, would I have installed it on all the systems I have (and have been asked to install it on...).

There is not one thing that sticks out and screams 'insanely better' - but taken as a whole, the O/S is in a league of it's own.

Compared to the fruity company (and yes, I have compared for my workflows...) and el stoopidio with their 3 hardware version 'range' of components, it is head and shoulders above it.

Compared to Win8.1/Win8 - the storage subsystem improvements alone are worth the price of admission (small file read/writes - databases, pdf's, etc.)

Compared to Win7? Lol... yeah; that is funny. I don't need to go back to that O/S and the daily/weekly/monthly maintenance schedules I had for keeping that O/S purring for my workflows (and at that time, yeah, it did purr).

As I've already mentioned in this thread; Win8.0 was being worked on by MS before Win7 was started (or possibly developed during the same time period). That is how obsolete Win7 is. Sure, Win8/8.1/10 took a few years to mature, but it is here now and more than ready.

To ignore it is to do so at your own (productivity reducing) peril.

 

Here is the problem. Business needs to make a quantitative investment to change over an OS, be it the cost of the OS, hardware, education along with a multitude of other factors. Without a quantitative cost savings/benefit analysis to justify it then you are just shouting to deaf ears. This is just how it works in the real world, sorry to break it to you.

So until it can be justified W10 is just not worth it to the productivity world, And do not shoot the messenger as I do not make up the rules of the free market.

 

My methods are quantitative (to me). If other businesses are waiting for a Toms Hardware, an Anandtech article or an Ars Technica analysis to jump; then we can change your statement for the world as it is now and not the tech world of 1995...

Businesses need to do their own quantitative analysis promptly and not just when the 'traditional' set points were in the past (SP1, etc.), rather; they need to get on this fast moving train today.

The real world is changing all the time. What was once the status quo is now the has been and soon to be forgotten.

 

OMFG, that is a laugh and a half. the world has revolved around set methodology for Eon's but your "Quantitative methodology" is the way it needs to change too. Now I know you are on something and I highly doubt it is legal. Pssst can I get some too?

 

Lol... glad I could get a chuckle from you.

But seriously; the world was once considered flat too...

Just because something was done for forever and a day doesn't mean it is still the best way to do it.

Btw, I wish I could take claim to this way which you mistake as 'my' way... I learned from others that were more forward thinking 50 years ago than some people are on these forums today...

 

Dude, if this thought pattern has continued rejection for over 50 years in the main stream as you claim, that alone says it all. Big business does as big business does. If you can not put a hard value on it then it won't happen. Eventually through support issues something will happen but W10 is no longer a hardwired guaranty.

 

I'm not claiming that; you are. And please; don't call me dude.

Big business doesn't automatically mean smart business (or smart leaders...).