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    Windows 10 20H2

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Sep 9, 2019.

  1. Papusan

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    November 30, 2020—KB4586853 (OS Builds 19041.662 and 19042.662) Preview


    Highlights
    • Updates an issue that causes Narrator to stop responding after you unlock a device if Narrator was in use before you locked the device.
    • Updates an issue that prevents you from finding certain Microsoft Xbox consoles on a Windows device.
    • Updates an issue that fails to display the Microsoft Xbox Game Bar app controls on supported monitors. This issue occurs in certain Microsoft DirectX® 9.0 (DX9) games that are running with Variable Refresh Rate enabled on these monitors.
    • Updates an issue with USB 3.0 hubs. A device connected to the hub might stop working when you set the device to hibernate or restart the device.
    • Updates an issue that randomly changes the input focus of edit controls when using the Japanese IME or the Chinese Traditional IME.
    • Updates an issue that makes the touch keyboard unstable in the Mail app.
    • Improves the visual quality of Windows Mixed Reality headsets that run in lower resolution mode.
    • Updates an issue that prevents the PDF24 app, version 9.1.1, from opening .txt files.
    Improvements and fixes

    This non-security update includes quality improvements. Key changes include:

    • Updates Internet Explorer’s About dialog to use the standard modern dialog.
    • Addresses an issue that causes Narrator to stop responding after you unlock a device if Narrator was in use before you locked the device.
    • Addresses an issue that fails to display the local account groups in the localized language even after you deploy the language pack.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents a user from finding certain Microsoft Xbox consoles on a Windows device.
    • Addresses an issue that displays a black screen to Windows Virtual Desktop (WVD) users when they attempt to sign in.
    • Addresses an issue with a certain COM API that causes a memory leak.
    • Addresses an issue that fails to display the Microsoft Xbox Game Bar app controls on supported monitors. This issue occurs in certain Microsoft DirectX® 9.0 (DX9) games that are running with Variable Refresh Rate enabled on these monitors.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents the touch keyboard from opening in Universal Windows Platform (UWP) apps when USB devices are connected.
    • Addresses an issue with USB 3.0 hubs. A device connected to the hub might stop working when you set the device to hibernate or restart the device.
    • Addresses an issue that crops the touch keyboard when you use a Remote Desktop Connection on a device that has a different screen resolution.
    • Addresses an issue with excessive network traffic that occurs when you use the Open File dialog box in File Explorer and browse to a shared folder that has the Previous Version feature available.
    • Addresses an issue that causes the ImmGetCompositionString() function to return the full-width Hiragana when using the Microsoft Input Method Editor (IME) for Japanese instead of returning the half-width Katakana.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents JumpList items from functioning. This occurs when you create them using the Windows Runtime (WinRT) Windows.UI.StartScreen API for desktop applications that are packaged in the MSIX format.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents applications from receiving the Shift and Ctrl keystroke events when the Bopomofo, Changjie, or Quick Input Method Editors (IME) are in use.
    • Addresses an issue that randomly changes the input focus of edit controls when using the Japanese IME or the Chinese Traditional IME.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents you from signing in on certain servers. This occurs when you enable a Group Policy that forces the start of a computer session to be interactive.
    • Addresses an issue that fails to set the desktop wallpaper as configured by a GPO when you specify the local background as a solid color.
    • Addresses an issue with the Microsoft Pinyin IME that unexpectedly dismisses the candidate pane when you type certain phrases.
    • Addresses an issue that fails to send the Shift keyup event to an application when you use the Japanese IME.
    • Addresses an issue that renders Kaomoji incorrectly on the emoji panel.
    • Addresses an issue that makes the touch keyboard unstable in the Mail app.
    • Addresses an issue that enters unexpected characters, such as half-width Katakana, when you type a password while the IME is in Kana input mode.
    • Addresses an issue that might fail to pair certain MIDI devices that connect using Bluetooth Low Energy (LE).
    • Addresses a runtime error that causes Visual Basic 6.0 (VB6) to stop working when duplicate windows messages are sent to WindowProc().
    • Addresses an issue that generates a 0x57 error when the wecutil ss /c: command is used to update an Event Forwarding subscription.
    • Addresses an issue that causes applications to fail when they call the LookupAccountSid() API. This occurs after migrating accounts to a new domain whose name is shorter than the name of the previous domain.
    • Addresses an issue in which loading a Code Integrity Policy causes PowerShell to leak a large amount of memory.
    • Addresses an issue that causes a system to stop working during startup. This occurs when the CrashOnAuditFail policy is set to 1 and command-line argument auditing is turned on.
    • Addresses an issue that causes the Microsoft Management Console (MMC) Group Policy application to stop working when you are editing the Group Policy Security settings. The error message is, “MMC cannot initialize the snap-in.”
    • Addresses an issue that fails to free a system’s non-paged pool and requires a restart of the system. This occurs when running 32-bit applications with the Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) mode enabled.
    • Addresses an issue that might prevent updates from installing and generates an “E_UNEXPECTED” error.
    • Addresses an issue that causes the “I forgot my Pin" functionality on the lock screen to fail. This failure occurs if the user has signed in using a username and password and the DontDisplayLastUserName or HideFastUserSwitching policy settings are enabled.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents access to Azure Active Directory (AD) using the Google Chrome browser because of a Conditional Access policy error.
    • Improves the visual quality of Windows Mixed Reality headsets that run in lower resolution mode.
    • Extends Microsoft Defender for Endpoint support to new regions.
    • Enables a new Hardware-enforced Stack Protection feature called shadow stacks on supported hardware. This update allows applications to opt in to user-mode shadow stack protection, which helps harden backward-edge control-flow integrity and prevents return-oriented programming-based attacks.
    • Addresses an issue in the Microsoft Remote Procedure Call (RPC) runtime that causes the Distributed File System Replication (DFSR) service to stop responding. This issue generates log events for DFS Replication (5014), RPC (1726), and no reconnection (5004) for a default timeout of 24 hours with no replication.
    • Adds the touch keyboard to the allowed apps list, and it now works in multi-app assigned access mode.
    • Addresses an issue that prevents the PDF24 app, version 9.1.1, from opening .txt files.
    • Addresses an issue that might cause a non-paged pool memory leak in some scenarios.
    • Addresses an issue that allows an app that has been blocked from hydrating files to continue hydrating files in some cases.
    • Addresses an issue that might cause a memory leak in bindflt.sys when copying files in a container scenario.
    • Addresses an issue with Active Directory Certificate Services (AD CS) that fails to submit Certificate Transparency (CT) logs when they are enabled.
    • Addresses an issue in which cluster validation tests internal switches that are not for cluster use and re-communication.
    • Addresses an issue that causes stop error 0x27 when you attempt to sign in to a device that is not in a domain using credentials for a device that is in the domain.
    If you installed earlier updates, only the new fixes contained in this package will be downloaded and installed on your device.

    CU (Cumulative Update) - KB4586853

    November 30, 2020-KB4586876 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10, version 2004, Windows Server, version 2004, Windows 10, version 20H2, and Windows Server, version 20H2

    Dotnetfx48
    http://download.windowsupdate.com/d..._ab1407801539dfe4af2423400875a596fc032739.msu

    Media Feature Pack Windows 10 N 20H2
    Posted on 2020-11-28 by guenni
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    For Windows 10 users using a Windows 10 N variant, Microsoft has already released the Media Feature Pack for Windows 10 N version 20H2 in mid-October 2020. Here is some information on this topic.
     
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    Not sure if its related,but lately my game performance has been bad. It started when I installed battlefront 2 a few days ago. Anyone getting the same by chance? I will also try this new update, but then again I might revert back to 2004.
     
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    I have been a Linux user for years. Most of my systems are multi-boot and include Linux as well as Windows. Linux is superior to Windows 10. Unfortunately, most of the software that I use, and plan to continue using, requires Windows. So, it would be nice if Windows 10 sucked less since using it is almost a necessary evil.

    I know it can sometimes be tough for fanboys to relate to people that do not share their passion for something they are in love with. Are you able to comprehend this?
     
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    I have thought at times about bitting the bullet and trying out say windows workstation, or one of those exotic and expensive editions of windows like this one: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/p/windows-10-pro-for-workstations/dg7gmgf0dw9s

    Supposedly they are extremely stable and do well even with games.

    One of the keys here listed actually activates, though perhaps someone can give me more insight to what I am getting involved in? https://getproductkey.net/windows-10-pro-workstations-product-key-free/
     
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  7. kojack

    kojack Notebook Prophet

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    1. Not a fanboy.
    2. I totally understand the not sharing the passion. but to listen to it day in day out over the same garbage about people messing with windows to make it what THEY feel it should be and then *****ing that MS is at fault. NAH. that can hit the road waste of yours, mine and everyone's time *****ing about that.
    3. Back to point 2, when you screw with windows and blame windows....it's not windows sucking it's you!
     
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    The older I get, and the more posts I read, the more I realize that OSs, laptops and desktop hardware are temporal like a pair of sneakers. Soon as you've installed the first series of updates or rip the plastic wrap from the component, that new sneaker smell goes away. Buy a pair of sneakers that look good and make you feel good but be realistic about taking that walk to the trash can to drop them in. Sure I wouldn't mind having a $300 pair of Air Jordans. But, I could easily have bought a $50 pair of Asics when all I'm going to do is mow the yard.

    I think Windows 10 is fine out of the box for some users and work-flows. Other users draw back the curtain because the out of the box experience is not adequate. Windows 10 is very easy to break and fortunately fairly easy to reinstall. Nothing we say or do has any influence on MS to make a better product. What we can do is be smart with how we spend our money. Be realistic in what we can achieve. I didn't achieve what I hoped for when I bought my P870 with a 9900K. The amount of hardware modding; software modding necessary to tweak the performance was outside my acceptance zone. I could have and did eventually buy a lesser machine with a 9750H. Sure it wouldn't get me a date with a beautiful heiress shopping for Time Spy gods, but at the end of the day, I also wouldn't have remorse chucking it in the trash when the hardware fails.
     
  9. Mr. Fox

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    I don't like that each release of Windows 10 becomes slower than the previous version, or the losses of functionality that occur as they are intentionally dumbing things down for simpletons. You know, that lowest common denominator thing. And, I do not appreciate the unaesthetic aspects of the GUI. If me having these sentiments about the faults and degradation of an inanimate and intangible product makes me a hater, then I guess I will wear that badge with great pride and zero regard for crybabies that are looking for excuses for something to whine about.

    But, what really leaves me scratching my head is that the stuff that you keep getting your panties in a bunch about has absolutely nothing to do with anything relating to the nonsense that you keep chirping about. I have zero problems with stability on any version of Windows or Linux. Yet you continually harp on that. The stuff Brother @Papusan posts relate to the hellacious and well-documented experiences--many of which the Redmond Reprobates themselves acknowledge--that ordinary consumers are having with their zombie turdboxes that phone home for their automatic feces distribution. There seems to be a disconnect between what is posted for your eyes to see and what your fingers type in response.

    If you want to be upset about public attention being drawn toward the well-documented issues with Windows 10 perhaps you should redirect your angst toward the authors of the articles documenting the problems that real people are having. Fortunately, I am not one of them. I hope that it stays that way because that would give me something much worse to be dissatisfied with than a slow and ugly operating system.
     
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  10. Papusan

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    It seems you missed the point. Preview update is the Guinea pig update.

    GUINEA PIG | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary
    I test out all Windows versions. Win 7-8-8.1 and Windows 10 (all versions and all builds). I bench for points. Papusan @ HWBOT

    And be you sure... I know it if Microsoft have screwed up.

    You will not get any Cups & Medals in the right color if you do not know how to tweak your setup. Do you really think you could make your hardware fly if people screwed up their OS? Nope. Not how it works.
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    Exactly. Only the blind cant see the differences between awesome vs awful.
     
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    Can you comment on the workstation and enterprise versions? I thought about trying them out with an aftermarket key, but I would like some input first.
     
  12. Papusan

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    Save your money. Bro Spartan will probably agree this Workstation OS was a blind route.

    Go instead for Win 10 Ent 2019 LTSC.
     
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    See that's where you and @Papusan are WRONG. My computers (not one but all five of them show speed increases) when I get new major updates. Again, stop F*&King with it and just use it. Well documented. 2 crybabies posting crap is not WELL DOCUMENTED.

    How come it's You two how constantly have issues meanwhile millions of users find it great? Exactly. You are the problem. NOT windows. How about make a windows whiner / Hate thread. and Leave this one to people who want to learn about 20H2 and it's features. C'YA.

    There's only two pairs of panties getting in a bunch in this thread, and NONE of them are owned by me. I can assure you of that.
     
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    Oh...I got the point.....

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    @kojack From my point of view or for my case, I was like you in a way where I just let windows do its thing. I am not tech savy at all so basically I was like most of the people who just use the computer to play game and do my own thing. Since windows changed having to do major updates twice a year I had issues were I asked googles help. Issues were both alienware software and at the same time windows problem. When I removed the alienware software it got better but still had problems which made me think its a windows problem which it was. A very common example that I can think right away that I really dislike is the driver update that windows does without my consent. The changes of driver update which most of the time is not a clean install causes problems like black screen and crashes on games.
    With this having problems I found this forum. I think that people in this forums most or the time come here not to share all the good stuff because they won't find this because they dont have a problem. What I'm saying is people find this forum because of the problems. So it is really good that people like Papusan and Mr. Fox point this out and share solution to the problem. It is basically a good awareness for people like me who knows nothing. Because of this forum I have learned from them also Spartan to clean install windows to block telemetry and to stop updates. I am still on 1809 because it is working for me. No point in updating to the latest that causes me problems. You are very fortunate to have not encounter any problems which is good for you. So basically I am for them who moans at windows and point out problems. When people have problems they ask them and help them. The words they use might be exaggerated maybe because of passion or whatever but still they share the problem and try to solve it. For your case if you have no problem why bother replying in this thread? Let the people who have problems to be here and let the people share the problems to make people aware and if they have solution they can help.
    I am hoping this thread will be filled with info like problem with solutions at some point. Not a battle with you against Mr. Fox passion or words he uses to what you think. Again I dont care what moaning he uses as long as he shares info and guide us to solve the problem. Ignore the words he uses maybe thats his personality. What counts is he is making people aware and share solution to problems.
    For your case you can always share your experience like if you have updated to the latest version you can say you have no problems at all and maybe show benchmarks or some numbers. Like the people in the Nvidia driver thread. They install the latest version test it and if they find a problem they share to the forum. Hopefully make this thread a more productive one and sharing information, showing problems and finding solutions.
    Everybody is different everybody uses different forms of language to express themselves. Ignore that and look on the bigger picture. Share the problem share info and find a solution.
    Sorry english is not my main language and I hope this thread will be more productive.. THE END..
     
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    1. Your English is great!
    2. Yes, I agree windows 10 is NOT perfect.
    3. This thread should be for Learning how to do things with windows 10.
    4. The two crybabies here @Mr. Fox and @Papusan should start windows hate thread, because thats all they do. Come here and complain.
    5. I don't benchmark. I use my computers.
    6. There should be a breakdown here of windows 10 threads to make it easy. (a) windows 10 20H2, (b) windows 10 20H2 issues and complaints, (c) windows 10 20H2 whiners and crybabies thread. would make it much easier for normal people to digest instead of going through pages and pages of the two whiners always pissing and moaning about EVERYTHING microsoft does.

    If you look around the windows forum here, you will see that @Mr. Fox and @Papusan only spew garbage about windows and microsoft...papusan even complaining about the sweater they are selling....please two of you GTFO! thanks.
     
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    If @Papusan & @Mr. Fox continue to post about problems (and possible solutions) with updates then I'd consider it to be a public service

    @kojack since you seem to be the only one that is so offended by their posts… IIRC the forum should have an "ignore user" feature. Maybe try using it.
     
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    trolls will be trolls, and ignoring things that they can create drama over would merely deprive them of the attention they desperately yearn for.
     
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    No, I try not to use that unless its getting to a personal attack of well being. I have yet to see anything from the two haters posing posible solutions. All they do is wah wah wah like little crybabies. Like I said, moving forward, there should be three sections for windows 10 builds, a tips suggestions and help thread, a issues and solutions thread, and a whiners thread. All they do is flood every thread about windows with garbage.
     
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    Another BSOD less BSOD. Never had this problem with 2004. Is it possible that 20h2 just doesnt do well with undervolting? The voltage manager keeps getting listed as a factor before the blackout.
     

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    While studying up on the differences between DCH and standard Nvidia drivers, I found this:

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    According to Nvidia (a separate and distinct entity from MS), DCH drivers will no longer include the Nvidia Control Panel. Instead, users will have to go to the Windows Store and download as a UWA. I went to the Windows Store and observed a huge skew of negative feedback to positive. Here are some negative examples I found:

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    Keep in mind what brought me here was wanting to download the latest Nvidia driver for my RTX 2070 Super. I've had zero problems in the past performing this simple task. Now, I was forced to pull open the curtain, and see that MS is covertly restricting Windows 10 users to be nothing more than automatons.
     
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    Not everyday you get good advices from Dell's customer support.

    Urgent : Best efforts to make Windows 10 better for all answers.microsoft.com

    On 25th Nov 2020, I bought the dell laptop (Dell G3 15 series). The security I paid for was Norton 360 deluxe and I again tried to update my laptop. Again the problem started. My new dell laptop would restart and fail again. I contacted the dell customer support and thanks to them that I could restore my system. They advised me not to update my laptop till 2021 Feb as there are serious bug with the latest updates. Right now I am not using windows update and paused the same.

    I thought about the series of such events. I asked my college friends about this and all of them told me that they are facing this same problem.

    I cannot understand why genuine customers who bought new laptop faces this issue. May be if Microsoft want new clients this can be reworked for their benefits. When one side they advise us to use genuine system, I am troubled why I should pay more if there is no seriousness about this. I tried to chat with Microsoft support agent online. It just gave me no response that is valuable. What a bad incidence is this? Can you tell me who made this mistake? I can use third party software to block Microsoft update or switch on to mac as it is more trustworthy now. It is a serious issue why you are doing such wrongful act.


     
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    Undervolting. NOT MS's Problem...that's your problem.
     
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    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Microsoft could have avoided a lot of these problems had they not fired their competent software engineers 6 years ago and outsourced the coding of Windows 10 to the same folks who wrote the flight control systems for the Boeing 737 MAX.
     
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    Here is a link to my world where software quality assurance can mean the difference between life and death; mission success and failure.

    https://www.dnfsb.gov/sites/default/files/document/9280/TECH-25_0.pdf

    Software quality assurance specialists are too few and far between; companies (including government) do not treat software quality assurance its proper due because of the cost necessary to implement an effective program. If MS was truly concerned about software quality assurance, the OS would be cost prohibitive to develop and maintain. Unfortunately, the burden of demonstrating that the use of such software doesn't present an undue risk to the public falls upon the end user. Boeing paid heavily for its failures.
     
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    Always a reason for all the quality problems with Windows 10.

    I discuss from time to time some reasons. Now there is a new voice. Former Microsoft employee @Barnacules explains in a YouTube video why the quality of the current operating system and especially the updates from his point of view ‘goes down the drain’ and is currently ‘in the basement’.

    Ex Microsoft employee explains the worse Windows 10 quality borncity.de

    From the comment section...

    Steve Mulholland says:

    Wow this all makes so much sense . As an IT and networking professional I have noticed an increasing number of problems with Windows 10, home and professional as well as Windows Server 2016.



    From the former Microsoft employee:
    Let me tell you why Microsoft Windows 10 has so many bugs with every new Windows Update from my perspective as a former Senior Software Developer (SDET) that worked at Microsoft on the Windows operating system for 15 years. Oh, and my PC crashed (BSOD) while uploading this video the first time which I found strangely ironic.
     
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    arg!! my 3rd crash in the last 24 hours...
     
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    reverse your undervolt
     
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    Tested with latest patch update from post #501 ?

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    Windows 10 2004 / 20H2: DumpStack.log.tmp slows down the computer borncity.de - December 4, 2020 by Günter Born

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    On Windows 10 systems with version 2004 or 20H2 found a file DumpStack.log.tmp that will slow the computer in the worst case. A blog reader pointed this out to me. Here is some information on the subject.

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    Intel's problem more like
     
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    I do both. I work them all week like a dog, from about 6:30 AM until midnight (when I go to bed), and then bench the crap out of them on the weekend... when time permits. Having capable machines that can do anything I want them to do is nice. So is the freedom to do as I wish without any encumbrance, interference or rigmarole caused by incompetent people that do not care if their bad decisions diminish the utility of my products.
    Sorry... not going to happen. But, it's OK to wish if that floats your boat.
    That's their goal. They want sheeple that don't question anything so they can have a global fleet of zombie PCs that are used by ignorant zombies.
    Um, no. Bad advice. If 2004 works like garbage, don't reverse your undervolt and put up with a broken product. Reverse your OS and go back to a version that worked the way you want it to. There is no reason for anyone to put up with a buggy product when they don't have to, and undoing your undervolt to live with a hotter-running turdbook is just silly. Doing that should not be viewed as an acceptable accommodation for incompetence. There is zero value in having the latest OS when it's not the greatest. You do you and let Micro$lop do what they do to dumb-dumbs.
     
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    Another suggestion would be to really rule out if it is really your undervolt.. Do you get BSOD? if so what is the error code? related to undervolt? Try installing who crashed program as it can tell you whats the cuase of the BSOD and again to see if it is undervolt related.. In case if it is undervolt test lowering it. If you had this undervolt on previous MS version and it all work well then roll back to previous MS version.. For me I have stayed in 1809 as it is the most stable as of the moment.. Maybe consider moving to LTSC.. Less bugs as you wont be a guinea pig.. Hope this helps..
     
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    Sorry hater, it's not bad advice, if his undervolt was causing the crashes the reversal of the undervolt would prove the issue. simple troubleshooting. Instead of being the massive windows hater use your brain for a change. sheeeesh. you people.
     
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    That's another topic, if YOU perform an action that causes the issue, it's not the system that is at fault. If it ran fine in a stock state when you purchased it, it's your problem not the system.
     
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    Which would be fine if the system was not thermal or power throttling, but most are and undervolting is the only way to mitigate the problem.
     
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    Some very silly people believe overheating and thermal throttling is fine and acceptable. The bar is set very low on how they define normal and proper operation. They are quick to forgive the OEM for selling defective or poorly engineered products, as well as themselves for buying garbage. Some don't even know it is happening. Both types of sheeple are part of the reason everyone else has to deal with rubbish. When you take action and fix it, and everything is working better than before, when an operating system update suddenly and unexpectedly changes that then it is the fault of that operating system update for creating a mess of a system that was stable before the update screwed things up.
     
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    This is what horrifies me. You spend top dollar for a PC (either self-build or system integrator). You are worn down by the sheer magnitude of garbage that is constantly flung to make your experience (which you paid for) a living nightmare. While keeping my daughter company while she finished her final semester at Covid University (aka Penn State), I had a long time to think about my future computer direction. I didn't have my desktop, but I had my P870 and MAG-15 while I teleworked and played. Long story short, unless a person enjoys masochism and wasting time undoing that which we don't have much control, the only viable solution is to buy cheap, disposable junk computers. They break, throw them away. They overheat and go China Syndrome, no problem. Throw them away. If I had to buy a new laptop now, I would set a ceiling at $1500, and plan to chuck it in a year. That means planning on setting aside $125/month in order to make sure I have a neutered laptop every year.

    Been home for two weeks now post-Covid, and am back to using my desktop. I know what I want to do next - upgrade GPU card and water cool it. I had mostly positive experiences with Nvidia. Now, I see that Nvidia is blatantly enforcing MS requirements regarding drivers. I'd like to know who put MS in charge? Windows 10 is a broken mess. I don't have time to pick every black-head that represents MS's latest and greatest. I have a serious problem when I try to play fairly and get rewarded with bold-faced trickery. All in the name of enforcing MS requirements.
     
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    And, it should. Anyone that it doesn't horrify is either silly, brain-dead, or both.
    Brilliantly put. I agree with every aspect of your post. The part quoted is what bothers me the most. They are a nefarious organized crime ring that really should hold the position of bottom-feeding-boot-lickers. They contribute what should be one of the least prominent elements of a computer that exists only to serve the hardware and other software used for computing, yet they have somehow been allowed to ascend to a corrupt self-anointed dictator role. The operating system should be seen, but not heard. It should do only what it is told to do and have no autonomy. NVIDIA and all of the other hardware component vendors should tell the Redmond Reprobates to cram it up their posterior orifice and continue doing things as they see fit. Instead, they are feckless and just bend over and kiss that body part.
     
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    some very silly people still blame other things for their own faults too. Just sayin!
     
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    There is one very simple solution for your "dilema". don't freaking use windows. You are like a whiny broken record. Stop using it. or use it and shut the f up. very simple. nothing hard to understand. the constant *****ing is getting old. clogging up threads with the same sewage.
     
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    See forum rules... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/forum-rules.109941/
    • Foul language isn't necessary to discuss notebooks and help people, so it won't be tolerated. Any attempt to bypass the profanity filters will result in an infraction against the user and that post being edited or removed. Using asterisks or any other symbol to disguise bad language is considered bypassing the filter.

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    Microsoft push new rules for your old hardware (laptops) running windows 10. Microsoft tighten up the control over your computers.

    Reminder: support for root certificates with kernel mode signing capabilities ends next year

    The change affects devices running Microsoft's Windows 10 operating system only, and drivers that have expired as part of the change won't load, run or install anymore on Windows 10 devices.

    Windows customers who are affected by the change, e.g. when they run older hardware with drivers that have not been updated by the manufacturer in a while, have only a few options to deal with this. If a driver update is not available, disabling driver signature enforcement is an option; this reduces system security and may also impact stability. It is recommended to create a backup before making the change
     
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    The user is supposed to have full control of their system, it always been like that. Windows 10 doesnt allow that and im not talking about undervolting.. They keep changing things that nobody asked for and making things worse and clearly they dont listen to customer feedback. Most users dont notice any issues with Windows 10 as long they can go on social media, watch youtube videos, and voice chat with their friends and family and etc.

    Newer isnt always better and every new update adds useless features and causing more bugs and that the main reason im sticking with 1909. You can keep saying there nothing with Windows 10 but you cant ignore the facts over the last 5 years...
     
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    I use my computer for way more than social media. I make 90 percent of my income on my computer. so there goes that argument. My computers got much better since windows 10 was first released. That's the facts.
     
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    No BSOD at all, it literally freezes and then resets like I held the power button. Posted an image here, and based off the error codes I assume windows isnt doing well with undervolt. 2004 has no issues that where notable. Windows 10 20H2
     
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    If you are using Windows Update, the latest SSU ( KB4593175) will be offered to you automatically.
     
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    More evidence of windows slowing down despite claiming to be faster than ever

     
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