Windows 10

Sorry, meant Slavic/East European accent. Anyway, good video 11/10 would listen again. :thumbsup:

 

Did not need all the cursing, but informative otherwise. They will be much more upset if you curse at them with your wallet than your vocalizations.

 

They give it for free. They are already upset. Anyway I didn't find the way to change their new Start Menu look (right clicks and Service>Folder look). Perhaps there is something in the Settings but I updated Preview, not clean installed so my settings had to be stayed so most likely that's how it is in this build at least.
I am uploading updated version cleaning here and masking more there.

 

Depends on the app. If it uses the system's UI framework it should scale. If the it uses its own UI engine then it's up to the devs of the specific app.

I don't have experience with Win10 preview but at least till Win8.1 Window's high-DPI support is still the worse out of 3 major desktops though. Even the OS's built-in apps sometimes don't scale in vector.

 

Have you tried checking the settings in the nvidia control panel?

 

man telling you nothing helped that is why i reverted ... all works in win 8
i know what am doing otherwise i wouldnt point this issue out ..

 

hi GalaxySII -

just wiped Win 10 Build 9926 (latest build) - what a total cluster-F. Earlier builds were *starting* to look and feel OK...but this is totally messed up.

so disgusted with Win 8/8.1/ and now 10...a bunch of flat, ghastly, proletarian and "progressive" cr4p from Hopey-Changey Microsoft.

No wonder "Progressive" MS wants to get rid of Win7 so fast... it belonged to the very tail-end of a richer and more enlightened age.

 

So are Apple and Google. Which means you'll soon be forced to go Linux.

 

hi Jobine -

naah, I'll just stay with Windows 7 SP1 x64, thank you very much...users on Win7 SP1 will continue to receive free security updates/patches under extended support until 14 January 2020.

But I do have to say that Linux Mint 17.1 is also looking pretty good right about now...

 

but win 8 isn't bad ... just if u hate metro so much u can easily remove it.. you can even set to go straight to desktop or u can add classic start ..
in win 8 boot is 5x faster..with UEFI support and when am switching btw metro it is snappy .. no issues even after months..

 

Really how? And here we go again with the boots faster...a human has no way to perceive fast boot this is all numbers that one can make to cherry pick from. I can do the very same with Start Menu that functions as it is part of the O/S it is called Windows 7. Your in the minority here...thinking Win8 is what Desktop/Laptop users wants. Try to look around little harder...W8 numbers are pathetic even Windows 7 in the short months it came out took off once users figure it was like XP/Vista hybrid they can load and run their programs from Vista and some XP on Windows 7 and run them instead of breaking them like W8 does.

 

I'll call BS on that one. My now 3-year old Sammy Series 9 UltraBook cold-boots Windows 7 in about 7 seconds or so. Boot times with Win8 are pretty much identical. Sure, if you're on an old laptop with a slow hard drive, you may see some minor benefits, but 5x is complete and utter BS. On modern machines with decent SSDs, there is no meaningful difference.

 

Lol, they put the computer into "hybrid-hibernation" mode on shut down and call it "fast startup" the next time you boot it up. It's just a gimmick. Everybody knows, you have to do a full boot (not from hibernation files) once in a while to clear corrupted memory. Give me full shut down, startup from non-hibernation files Win7 style any day!

 

I HATE hibernation I NEVER used it..
Just ultrabook turned of completely..
I use only sleep mode when lid closed tho

 

No ,that animation where all four colors meets making win 7 bit longer..it can be removed tho

 

No, you don't understand. The default hybrid shutdown/fast boot in Windows 8 is hibernation.

 

No I wont look harder.. your words are obsolete to me..
Win 8 is ok and will stay with me...
Once win 10 will be sorted PROPERLY ,will switch to that..

 

The quote of the month, by James D here:

"That's how they (Microsoft) work, they continue pushing us a little bit adding some sugar cubes one by one until there will be an "acceptable" amount of Win7 design lovers they can ignore."

My H. L. Mencken-like take on Windows 8.X & 10:

Microsoft is the preeminent "progressive" software vendor that subscribes to the theory that it knows better than what most end-users want, and that they deserve to get the Flat, Ugly and Proletarian Look ("FUPL") good and hard.

 

I've got to say, I'm not a big fan of that new start screen:

Spoiler

Personally I like how it is now on Windows 8.1. The only changes I would want are clock/battery bar/quick settings/wifi icon/similar small items. Basically taskbar adds this, but IMO, taskbar itself looks out of place...
Also those things on left side. Do not want! Hope it could be disabled.

 

The best way to force MS to follow your needs right now is to use their Feedback APP. Not by your wallet as somebody says.

 

Can it be done without Windows 10? I kinda need my tablet for work, so don't really want to install beta just to leave feedback.
Good thing taskbar can be hidden. Not sure about that "thing" on the left.
James D, if you still have Windows 10 installed, could you maybe check if "places/most used" could be disabled when start menu is in tablet mode?

 

OK. I will boot it again (although I planned next time I boot it I revert back with restore point to a stage of 9872 build). But if you ask me to predict Fullscreen Start Menu (aka tablet mode) has no difference including setting up options in comparison with non-Fullscreened one except its size.

 

Well you know it's a business.. that how ppl in past were swearing on windows 98 when released and been on 95 that time.. i is going on an on ..
I know ppl they naively said '' i will never install win xp bcos is bad.
I will stay on 98. And after month they QUIETLY moved to xp like nothing happened ..
ppl always does it.. especially kids.. has no idea... what is the ''score''

Imagine gmail now won't let you comment on youtube UNLESS u don't create g+ ! That was very cheeky step from google and u see every one you here have gmail account..
Now microsoft doing simillar thing, OSes that way they just don't give you support ... u hear win 7 not gonna support new latest direct x or something like that .. why just on purpose..
Plenty ppl been saying (am pretty sure plenty ppl here said) like;
I will never move to win 7 i stay on xp bcos it is crap and vista is complete mess.. and bam u are now on win 7 ..
soon or later u what u saying will never port next level , trust me you will ..

I am not type of person that i will slag product and i don't even try it.. I like new things... to explore..
Defo all you know when win 7 preview released.. in 2009 ? so I was already using win 7 beta then and was working much much better than win 10 ... and I stayed with win 7 beta until win 8 beta didn't came up..
Then installed proper version of win 8


Remember Microsoft will push you to install it .. or when u'll buy new laptop obviously win 10 will be on it still as it is and you will tell to your self quietly ; eem i kind of like it ... and u will be using it .. believe me ..

 

Speak for yourself, buddy...

There's quite a few of us around here who don't have a gmail account and couldn't care less about being able to comment on YT...who will be hanging onto W7 unless W10 proves to be a significant upgrade for our needs. At this point I can't say whether it will be or not since I'm waiting for the RTM to come out and then properly evaluate it, just like W8 and just about every prior MS' operating system before that...

 

am not saying everybody . or you don't need you to pint me speak for my self dud..

With google it is just an example how these IT giants can easily manipulate with us .. end users.. they will lock us , they will give you no option.
Like when u sign any contract (for example mobile phone)
It is to get the point.. here ,us, few thousand ppl speculating , changing, messing with our laptops .. of course we will have concerns , questions , etc
But there are millions and millions ppl who just don't care about what win they will get .. they don't polemicize about problems in win ..
Do you think some girls or ladies in the world will be bothering installing or reinstalling, messing with windowses like us here ?? pleeeaese ..
We here ,or on others forums it is just FRACTION no influence AT ALL ...
it is same with smartphones .. new one release and plenty ppl say yeah I want it ..
basically ''show must go on'' we wont change it..
Like james said it needs to send feedback .. that micrsft know where to fix problem... I sent dozen feedbacks.. to the microsoft and other manufacturers ..
Don't take it negatively just get the point..

 

Saying "many will be using it" instead of "and u will be using it...believe me" would go a long way in relaying that you're not referring to everybody.

You can have a mobile phone without a contract, just like most other things in life...

Maybe, but that doesn't mean that we have to accept it...there are *always* other options.

Given how MS has treated W8-related feedback I'm not wasting any time on submitting my comments to them. But that's me.

I got the point alright. It doesn't mean that I agree with it.

 

They basically renamed the current release so the old issues from feedback no longer apply to the current version tag. No relevant pending issues in bug tracker and all devs are happy.

 

Anyways ... is it me ... or it feel that they managed to make the start menu worse than 7 and a worse start screen of 8?

 

Can someone please check for me if the taskbar on a second "extended desktop" monitor has the clock or not?

It's a tiny thing, but really bothers me that only the primary display gets a clock in the taskbar.


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Nope. No clock.

But the start menu UI elements oddly shifts often if used on a non primary display.

It back to its old pin menu behavior as in W8.

If you decide to avoid the search feature as offered since vista to look for apps,
You have now scroll through to reach instead of the selecting the Group or Alphabet (Like how the Tablet or WP does it)

 

OK, I booted once again and all I managed to do is another interesting video... after I recovered the 9879 Build Before doing so I launched Metro in Tablet mode and couldn't change it's design too.
Video will be uploaded in 30 minutes and hopefully will be processed way faster as I use mp4 now.

 

It is all about individual preference ...I'll tel you this way..
Everybody likes different things.

 

All those likes and not likes refer to microsoft feedback..
They will listen..
Giving suggestions is best way..

 

Windows 10 will be free for all W7/W8 users so your best way to force MS with your feedback is by sticking with Windows 7/8 when 10 launches.

My opinion:

W10 is great, and a clear improvement from 8, and bringing back some of the elements i liked from 7. As for the tech preview, it still has a few minor gliches, but seems to run smoothly on my almost 2 year old Lenovo laptop. Worst i would say is that the power management is a little wonky.

I like the new start menu. Reminds me of Start Menu Reviver, but a bit more powerful.

Windows 7 on my desktop for my production setup, do not use tech preview on your production setup! lol

 

Microsoft has lot of time to tweak it.. herad win 10 gonna release in october or november ?

 

I will probably upgrade from 8.1 to 10, if only for DirectX12.

Also, I am sure that within a few months of release people will come out with/update mods like Classic Shell to correct any annoying issues. For a loooong time I was very anti-Windows 8, but with Classic Shell I have actually grown to like it more than Win7. I love the power user menu, and Classic Shell gives me the option to set my start menu to the classic Win7 start menu but keep the power user menu on Right Click, as well as disabling the incredibly annoying Metro pop-in on the sides (probably my biggest pet peeve of Windows 8).

 

I'll probably image 8.1, upgrade to 10, image, and then revert to 8.1 for ~1 yr. to make sure I get the free upgrade, but allow some time for updates to work the kinks out.


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As it is I could also be on Linux for free as well. Same for most people as well, as you have noticed they are not. With Windows 7 having support to 2020 there is no compelling reason to move from it, especially since at least one further iteration should be out before then.

Now For current Windows 8.x users this may not be the case. Hopefully the new OS/UI will be no worse and maybe even an improvement. With Holograph tech Windows 10 could even start coaxing users away from Windows 7 as well. That all yet has to be seen.

I can say the latest release, as far as UI development, seems to have failed and if it is possible has even reverted to the darker side of things.

 

Could you imagine someone is 60+ y/o forcing them to adapt to this new interface when the old Win7 continues to work so well for them?

Remember when XP came out? Some called it the "Fisher Price" OS. It actually made sense for seniors to upgrade to XP as the interface was more user-friendly than the prior version.

W10 is mostly for tech geeks...

 

LOL, 57 here so I am pretty close to your benchmark there. W10 is actually less for tech geeks, there is a lot less to do there and in reality it keeps the trouble spots further away from the non technical. The problem is since 8.0 that they have so flattened and stupefied the UI from the prior version.

The apparent huge issue here is that Redmond can not get past the store. This is the driving force behind the free upgrade. They want the store to make money. This also mean they need a UI that will get desktop users to literally buy into Metro. This is part of their demographic I am sure, the older users using simplistic apps to get them info, or the consumption market in general.

The problem is a like the chicken before the egg. They need the young technical market to implement Windows 10 so that they can help to steer the older users towards the UI as well. Once they can help them out in adjusting it will not be an issue. But if the geeks, techies and IT groups do not buy in, they are in for a hard road ahead without a consumer revenue stream.

 

People, I guess even MS doesn't know for what kind of people Win10 is designed for Only for its developers I guess.

 

You do know this is more a security hole then really address the problem of a "Real" integrated "Start Menu" true to Windows 7 form. If you want a "Start Menu" and don't like WinX just stay with Win7 it's not Rocket Science here...Also if true about WinX it already has close to Win7 Start Menu as can be I may not like it but for me that Metro task still a bugger I will find a way to live with it. Althought, I like the Directx12 and like to test it when it is Final to see if what they say is true about it's improvments.

 

The problem with testing DX12 is you need a game that is optimized for it. This becomes counter productive for looking at speed boosts as compared to the DX11 version of that same engine it has been optimized for DX12. Now a DX11 engine converted to using DX12 speed enhancements would be interesting.

 

Tiles are easier for non-tech people imo, and hiding all the directory stuff. they hardly do anything beyond the desktop.

 

I think it wasn't just game but DX12 supposedly allowed programers to better interface their software with the hardware to improve performance overall on all aspects not just games. I read review in MaximumPC(If I remember right) where the same software demo tested fps comparing Dx11 to Dx12 showed big improvement over fps for something written in Dx11. So it's not just games Dx12 was to improve upon.

 

Thats your good right, but MS isn´t the company they were back then. Two important points:

- Ballmer left (and with him a good part of the "old" Microsoft)

- Steven Sinofsky was fired after Windows 8

Acutally, Sinofsky was the one who was responsible for the Windows 8 developement, and he was responsible for the ribbons in Office as well. He was also the one who ignored all feedback they got with the Windows 8 Previews. Sinofsky was know to be the one who "knew it better" than the users.

That changed obviously, as Windows 10 is much more feedback driven than any Windows before. Shortly after Sinofsky left (November 2012), MS started listening - the came up with 8.1 one year later.

 

I have to wonder about the feedback driven part. They said that they were listening but TBH I do not see the desktop and/or start menu being improved yet over Windows 7. I do see them integrating Metro further, this is not what people were asking for to get them back into Windows with the KB&M. True though we are not yet at a RC so I will reserve some judgment till then but it does not look promising.

The new 3D stuff looks promising but we will yet have to see.

 

So another Apple wanna be?

 

If the DX11 calls run better under DX12 being installed the this says DX11 itself is better optimized and should then be able to be further optimized on its own. Then again we will see.

 

Optimization is more or less a N-M problem and generalization without knowing implementation detail is dangerous.